Thread 512480805

SIR FRANCIS NEWPORT—Head of an English Atheist club, to those gathered around his deathbed: “You need not tell me there is no God, for I know there is one, and that I am in his presence! You need not tell me there is no hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell! Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever! Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”

>>512480805 (OP)
DAVID HUME—Atheist philosopher famous for his philosophy of empiricism and skepticism of religion: He cried loud on his death bed “I am in flames!” It is said his desperation was a horrible scene.

>>512480839
ANTON LEVEY—Author of the Satanic Bible and high priest of the religion dedicated to the worship of Satan. One of his famous quotes was: “There is a beast in man that needs to be exercised, not exorcised”. His dying words were: “Oh my, oh my, what have I done, there is something very wrong. . . there is something very wrong.”

>>512480885
THOMAS PAYNE—The leading atheistic writer in American colonies: “Stay with me, for God’s sake; I cannot bear to be left alone , O Lord, help me! O God, what have I done to suffer so much? What will become of me hereafter? I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. 0 Lord, help me! Christ, help me! No, don’t leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one.”

>>512480936
VOLTAIRE—famous anti-christian atheist: “I have swallowed nothing but smoke. I have intoxicated myself with the incense that turned my head. I am abandoned by God and man.” He said to his physician, Dr. Fochin: “I will give you half of what I am worth if you will give me six months of life.” When he was told this was not possible, he said “Then I shall die and go to hell!” His nurse said: “For all the money in Europe I wouldn’t want to see another unbeliever die! All night long he cried for forgiveness.”

>>512480992
CHARLES IX—The French king. Urged on by his mother, he gave the order for the massacre of the French Huguenots, in which 15,000 souls were slaughtered in Paris alone and 100,000 in other sections of France, for no other reason than that they loved Christ. The guilty king suffered miserably for years after that event. He finally died, bathed in blood bursting from his veins. To his physicians, he said in his last hours: “Asleep or awake, I see the mangled forms of the Huguenots passing before me. They drop with blood. They point at their open wounds. Oh! That I had spared at least the little infants at the bosom! What blood! I know not where I am. How will all this end? What shall I do? I am lost forever! I know it. Oh, I have done wrong.”

Cool stories bro. But I still lack belief in God or gods.

>>512481114
Pray to Jesus that you want to believe in him and he might show himself to you.
Jesus is the only one who can save us from our sin, please think about it at least

Now quote somebody who never knew about Abrahamic religion regretting their livelihoods and claiming they're going to hell.

>>512481264
>Pray to Jesus
Why?>>512481264
>Jesus is the only one who can save us from our sin, please think about it at least
Nah, vicarious redemption is for niggers. I handle my own problems

>>512481282
I dont know how to find that but here are some last words to believers.


Compare these last words from atheists, with these last words, from these saints of God
THE APOSTLE PAUL: “O death, where is thy sting?”
KING DAVID: “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no Evil.”
AUGUSTUS MONTAGUE TOPLADY (1710-1778): Toplady will ever be famous as the author of one of the most evangelical hymns of the eighteenth century, “Rock of Ages,” which was first published in 1776.
During the final illness, Toplady was greatly supported by the consolations of the gospel: “The consolations of God, to so unworthy a wretch, are so abundant that he leaves me nothing to pray for but their continuance.”
Near his last, awaking from a sleep, he said: “Oh, what delights! Who can fathom the joy of the third heaven? The sky is clear, there is no cloud; come Lord Jesus, come quickly!” He died saying:”No mortal man can live after the glories which God has manifested to my soul.”
Lastly, JESUS CHRIST said: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that believeth on Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”
Only fools never learn from history, and it’s amazing that even in our days, with all these facts on our fingertips, someone with a mind can devote his entire life to a delusion, and want everyone to know that there is no God. No wonder the bible says, “Only fools say in their hearts, there is no God.”

>>512481432
Dude, try the entire eastern world.

>>512481377
We cant handle our own problems, we are too small to fix ourselves. It requires letting our ego to die to accept the help of the one who created the universe and everything else.

>>512481520
They are called mongoloids for a reason.

>>512481520
what do i type in to search for that?
last words from anyone in the eastern world that never heard of Jesus? no search engine i know of could give that result. besides why dont you research for yourself? Not that i dont want to help you, i just dont know how

>>512480805 (OP)
Dying is a process for many. They see angels or demons. Pray for your family and friends.

>>512480805 (OP)
>You only get one shot at life
>You have free will, but if you make the wrong choice I'll throw you in a pit of fire forever. Literally forever. In a trillion to the trillionth power to the trillionth power years you'll still be burning if you make the wrong choice.
>If you never hear about me you automatically go to hell.
>Or maybe you don't. Even the people who devote their lives to me don't know the rules, and after two thousand years there are more denominations than ever, some believing all of the other denominations are going to hell for not believing right.
>But the prevailing theory they have is if you ask forgiveness you get to go to heaven. Yep, even if you're the pastor of a church and molest dozens of children, a simple "I'm sorry" and all is forgiven.
>Of course, any of those children who reject the church because they associate it with your raping them will burn for all eternity with no chance of redemption.
>Or maybe not. I'm not telling lol
>Good luck!

>>512481546
>We cant handle our own problems
I do everyday

Christ is King

>>512481960
Kek, exactly this

I rarely see christians denounce the Illuminati
Prove you are anti Illuminati pol

>>512481960
>>But the prevailing theory they have is if you ask forgiveness you get to go to heaven. Yep, even if you're the pastor of a church and molest dozens of children, a simple "I'm sorry" and all is forgiven.
Wrong, God will forgive all but one sin but without repentance asking for forgiveness will not serve you.

>>512480805 (OP)

Jeet post.

jews are paying jeets to blanket spam every far-right space with christjewery. Why? over 90% of Europeans under 30 are non-christjew. They see the christjew spam and immediately feel repulsed.

>>512482219
Actually its the opposite YOU are clearly the jew
REMEMBER Satan doesnt need you to worship him to claim your soul, he just needs to turn you away from JESUS CHRIST

>>512482340
demon possesed people being pumped full of metals doesnt prove anything other than that we count on worldy medicine from people who worship the devil (government) more than God.

>>512482163
Yep. Gotta be super serious and really mean it when you say sorry for raping those kids, but you can still get in to heaven and avoid punishment.
But again, the kids who reject Christ because of you raping them in church? Hellbound, all of them. Sucks to be them lol!

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>>512482505
Children are innocent and the innocent will never be punished.
and yes, Rape, murder, and any other sin will be forgiven if you declare Jesus Christ as your Lord, ask for forgiveness and repent (Know the weight of your sin and turning away from it)

>>512482494
>count on worldy medicine from people who worship the devil (government) more than God.
You can't pray cancer away. Specially the kids, weird that a supposed loving God would give kids terminal illness

>>512482625
dont personally attack them we should love eveybody and help them turn to God

>>512480936
Wow. God comes to Athiests to say goodbye. Rough.

>>512482625
What's funny about that article is that it's because atheist are not seen as monogamous lol

>>512482701
>You can't pray cancer away
All things are possible through Christ
>Specially the kids, weird that a supposed loving God would give kids terminal illness
God has infinite wisdom, effectively infinite iq we, even if it were explained to us could never know his plans on our own

>>512482681
>Rape, murder
I don't want to share a paradise with these people, sorry

>>512482895
>All things are possible through Christ
Not curing cancer lol
>>512482895
>God has infinite wisdom, effectively infinite iq we, even if it were explained to us could never know his plans on our own
This is why people don't like you

JESUS IS A FAGGOT

>>512482078
Christ est Seigneur.

>>512482906
When somebody gives their lives to Christ they are a new creation in God, you might not forgive them but remember we will be judged according to how we judge others

>>512480805 (OP)
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>>512481078
Fabricated and homosexual.

>guy dies like a bitch hallucinating and wailing about some devil god that tricked him

Damn, brutal. He's gonna reincarnate as a preta for sure. Gotta watch out for devas peddling fantastic delusion

>Believe in this religion otherwise you get condemned to suffer forever!
This is literally an IQ check. Feel free to post some deathbed quotes from people who weren't exposed to Christianity in their life saying the same shit. Lmao.

>>512482494
god is helpless to fight demons, got it. very omnipotent

>>512482625
most of the population are still religitards so not surprising. people who are addicted to the opiate-narrative of religion will be adverse to harsh reality no doubt, and will want to live with people who also wear those rose-colored glasses

>>512482968
>This is why people don't like you
Are you really so vain, that you cant accept an infinitely knowing God knows more than you?
Every knee will bow, every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is LORD

>>512483016
>When somebody gives their lives to Christ they are a new creation in God,
Sounds like a bullshit scapegoat
>>512483016
>we will be judged according to how we judge others
I already do this. I hold myself to the same standards I expect from others

>>512483201
>Are you really so vain, that you cant accept an infinitely knowing God knows more than you?
Vain. Vain is shrugging at a terminally ill child and saying God has his reasons

You people are NPCs

>>512483218
>>we will be judged according to how we judge others
>I already do this. I hold myself to the same standards I expect from others
I hope so, but telling me doesnt matter, God knows what is in our heart. and he knows us better than we know us, if we cant forgive others than how can we expect to be forgiven?

>>512482681
>Children are innocent and the innocent will never be punished.
At what age is that deal no longer valid? If the children grow up and still reject Christ because of the actions of the pastor, what happens to them?
They go to hell, right? Burn for all of eternity, forever and ever and ever? No "I had my faith raped out of me" exception, right?
But the pastor, whose actions led to them associating Jesus with being raped, said he's super sorry and meant it and gets to go to paradise. Doesn't even have to face any kind of consequence for leading them astray before his sudden change of heart, just gets right in.
Is that how it works?

>>512483298
You dont shrug at the child, you mourn. and accept that some things happen beyond our very limited understanding

>>512483374
>>I already do this. I hold myself to the same standards I expect from others
>I hope so
I don't need your hope lol
>>512483374
>, if we cant forgive others than how can we expect to be forgiven?
>>512483374
>if we cant forgive others than how can we expect to be forgiven?
You don't have kids.

>>512482895
>All things are possible through Christ
Paul was referring to his ministry. In poverty, in persecution, in hunger, all things are possible through Christ. That is to say God's will be done in us if we desire for it to be done through us. God's will isn't to create miracles and spectacles to entertain people, but to spread the message of salvation to all.

>>512483375
Doesn't even have to face any kind of consequence for leading them astray before his sudden change of heart, just gets right in.
Is that how it works?
we will face judgement on the last day and account for everything we ever said and ever done

>>512483436
>You dont shrug at the child, you mourn.
You did
>accept that some things happen beyond our very limited understanding
Literally again

>>512483436
>Our limited understanding
>But we understand how the universe, god, the soul, life and death, good and evil work

Christians literally anoint themselves with the full knowledge of God. There is nothing you don't know-- except when it is a hard question or just not exceptionally simple.

Peasant religion for people unable to commit analytical procedures mentally.

>>512483482
>I don't need your hope lol
That is correct, your salvation can not be found in other men. It can only be found through Jesus Christ who was tortured on the cross to pay for our sins.

>>512483535
>we will face judgement on the last day and account for everything we ever said and ever done
So a stern talking to before he gets in to eternal paradise.
Meanwhile, the children burn.

>>512483675
We dont know who will go to hell only God does

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>>512483139
Is that also why atheists kill themselves?

>>512482741
It doesn't matter as not everyone is chosen. Some people are just hylics.

>>512483139
>most of the population are still religitards so not surprising. people who are addicted to the opiate-narrative of religion will be adverse to harsh reality no doubt, and will want to live with people who also wear those rose-colored glasses
The harsh reality is that you will die one day and stand before the judgement seat of God.

>>512483756
What you are doing is not becoming of a Christian, i know its painful to see God mocked but these people are in great pain and we should have mercy like Jesus would want us to

>>512483544
>Literally

>>512483644
>your salvation can not be found in other men.
Exactly.
>It can only be found through Jesus Christ who was tortured on the cross to pay for our sins.
Sounds like a personal problem

>>512483756
>Is that also why atheists kill themselves?
I wouldn't know. I don't have suicidal ideation

>>512483736
And that leads us back full circle to
>>512481960

All arguments by Christians are over as I have defeated Christianity with 100% success. They never even respond.

If you believe in revelation (all fake confused new age Christians) you have to also simultaneously be a Mormon and a Jehovas witness or you are a heathen and blasphemer.

If you say you are Christian and you are not a Mormon and a Jehovas witness simultaneously you have abandoned god and his prophets. You are going to hell

They won't even engage with this line of thought because it ends Christianity

>>512481264
When people are ready in their hearts God will draw them.

>John 6:44. "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day."

>>512483857
Allow me to recind something in this comment
>What you are doing is not becoming of a Christian,
it is not my place to say this i just happen to disagree

>>512483888
>ohh the lightning imagery ohh!
Kek

>>512483756
>I don't have an arguement cuz ur an hero lol

>>512483945
>They never even respond.
Because an argument with a toddler is best ended with "yes sweetie, you're so right!"

>>512483915
>Sounds like a personal problem
It is, its the most personal problem we could possibly have, Jesus is the answer to that problem

>>512484053
>>512483915 (You) #
>>Sounds like a personal problem
>It is
Good luck with that

>>512483945
>If you say you are Christian and you are not a Mormon and a Jehovas witness simultaneously you have abandoned god and his prophets. You are going to hell
Why is this exactly?

KING LEAR — Beneath is all the fiends'; there’s hell, there’s darkness, There’s the sulphurous pit— burning, scalding, Stench, consumption! Fie, fie, fie, pah, pah!

>>512484096
And good luck to you as well brother, I love you and will pray for you

FRANK SINATRA -- "I'm losing"

>>512484113
Because those religions are the word of Christian God. If you don't believe them you cannot be Christian. Things changed.

If you reject Mormonism and JW you also would have rejected Jesus. Heathen

>>512484181
Cool

>>512484207
Im not sure what youre trying to say,are you saying mormanism or JW is the correct denomination?

>>512480805 (OP)
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>t.

>>512482505
You can still repent after you're dead, by the way. If you reject God all your life, and find yourself in the void, you just have to call out to him and ask him to save you/forgive you. After death and getting saved, you basically get shown the wrong you did to others, and then repent for it after knowing and seeing why it was so wrong. That's pretty much it. If you got wrong done unto you, you learn to forgive that person too, and see why that person did wrong unto you. That's pretty much it, mostly everything here on earth is irrelevant in the afterlife, much like how a dream becomes irrelevant after you wake up.

>>512483945
>you have to also simultaneously be a Mormon and a Jehovas witness or you are a heathen and blasphemer.
No, because what they teach contradicts scripture and the canon is closed.

>>512484597
This is probably only true if there's a chance of your body coming back to life, 99.9% just drop straight into hell with no do overs.

>>512484377
If you only follow old testament are you a Christian? You would say no

Now there is new Christianity handed down from God. Why don't all Christians believe it? They are blasphemers

>>512481546
Shut up kike

>>512484597
As far as i know you cannot repent after death, you have to follow Jesus in life. Please correct me if im wrong and provide scripture if you can.

>>512484207
Jehovah's witnesses do not consider Jesus to be the eternal Son of God, they see Him as the brother of satan and as one who was created. Mormons do not even believe the Bible, rather relying on their founder's questionable revelations. Just like Islam, by the way. The Bible clearly tells us that even if an angel were to come and preach some other gospel, we should never step away from the truth of the Bible. In fact, this verse is the Bible prophesying about the coming of false religions and faiths, proof of it being the true word of God.

>>512484667
Canon is closed according to living men, god has new prophets and overrides them. You show exactly why you can't handle my argument. You cannot deal with it, either God's word is God's word or it is not. You cannot decide.

>>512484597
Parable of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar.

>>512484760
>Please correct me if im wrong and provide scripture if you can.

Everything I said was based off of NDE research.

>>512481114
Oh Lord, help his lack of faith and give new life unto even a wretch. Amen.

>>512484766
That's all well and good but God changed what he said. By arguing against it you are blaspheming

You cannot logically address this inconsistency.

>>512484669
All I know is that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Whatever he said for us to do is what we should do. I struggle with this often unfortunately

>>512484838
>oogabooga
amen

>>512484774
>You show exactly why you can't handle my argument.
I just did, canon is closed and they contradict what the prophets and apostles, taught.

>>512484811
What I said incorporates that parable, especially if you considered "hades" to be a parable for a miserable existence on earth. When you have your life review and see the bad you have caused others, you not only see it, you literally experience it from the others perspective- all of it, as if you ARE them.

>>512484941
>God can't change his mind now because of what some guys in hats said

You have lost. Change argument or stop repeating

The word of God is whatever the prophets of God says it is. That is what it says in the Bible

>>512485008
If you actually care about his soul, being abrasive isnt likely to turn him toward the truth but away from it, we should be as gentle as lambs

>>512485008
>The word of God is whatever the prophets of God says it is. That is what it says in the Bible
Yes and it NEVER, contradicts. So they aren't hearing from or speaking for God.

>>512485008
>The word of God is whatever the prophets of God says it is. That is what it says in the Bible
Kek
>God always agrees with us because that's what it says in the book we wrote
Lmao

>>512480805 (OP)
Nice food for thought anon but... have you got any source?
Not that I am doubting you but it would be better with a source.

>>512485008
The bible is a bunch of stories stolen from ancient Mesopotamia when jews were exiled. It's fake af.

>31 posts by this id

buy an ad faggot. Christ is not king. All christtards will be discarded into Tartarus

Look at retard zoomers proving they're too low IQ to follow posts back before commenting. Literal sub 100s

>>512485241
You could just look it up for yourself, that would be better than knowing the source

>>512481432
Now do last words of orthodox jews

>>512480805 (OP)
Voltaire, Payne, Hume, and Charles were all famous Christians who wrote about their faith and their actions being motivated by their faith. You, being a retard, have simply assumed everyone intelligent disagrees with you automatically. If you quotes are even real, they simply prove that Christians feel the exact same fear of death as everyone else.

>>512485343
Heres the story of Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri

Kaduri never told anyone the name of the Messiah; but before he died, he left a note on a piece of paper which was placed in a sealed envelope and was only allowed to be opened until a year after his death. He told that the name of the Messiah was hidden in his text. When the year was over, his disciples published the sensational text (Link1, Link2). It was not the Christians who made this text known to all people, but the followers and admirers of Rabbi Kaduri, to the people of Israel.

Taking the first letter of each word reveals the name of the Messiah: Yehoshua (=Jesus). This news shocked many Jews

Tell me, in all the unfairness of life you've experienced, do you think you'll find any in your death?

>>512485498
I knew you were gonna post that
Post some more

>>512485427
>François-Marie Arouet, known by his nom de plume Voltaire, was a French Enlightenment writer, philosopher, satirist, and historian. Famous for his wit and his criticism of Christianity

>Thomas Paine was not a Christian; he was a Deist who criticized organized religion and Christian doctrine in his writings

How about looking it up instead of making it up?

>>512480805 (OP)
>SIR FRANCIS NEWPORT—Head of an English Atheist club, to those gathered around his deathbed: “You need not tell me there is no God, for I know there is one, and that I am in his presence! You need not tell me there is no hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell! Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever! Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”
Any proof this is real?

>>512485561
That was the only one i could easily find, i recommend searching for yourself, im not smart enough to know what to ask the search engine unfortunatly

>>512480805 (OP)
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>>512480936
Reincarnation and afterlives are not real. The body is a vessel for consciousness and once the body is gone so is the consciousness associated with it, FOREVER. Nobody will judge you and you aren't going anywhere after, you simply cease to exist. They can create unlimited humans on the other hand so life will never stop existing here on earth. The creation is eternal and the creator can experience himself eternally, you are not on the other hand.

>>512485678
Why dont you look it up?

>>512485498
LoL

It's a good way to officially publicly renounce your shitty kike religion after you're dead. XD

>>512485790
If we believe in Jesus and his sacrifice and repent God will make us eternal with him in heaven
also the world will not last forever infact time is running out

>>512485796
Do you really think I'll waste even more time with atheist garbage? Fuck that. I'm out. Bye.

>>512485321
Ok, your confidence seems reassuring but I am not going to check.
It is always better to present sources.

Interesting thought provoking threat.

>>512480805 (OP)
It's hilarious that of all things that a christfaggot should choose to utter such lies.
>The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy.

>>512485981
>God will make us eternal with him in heaven
Will there be niggers and jews in heaven?
>time is running out
two more weeks

>>512480805 (OP)
>christcuck
>>512485790
>memeflag

both follow up by abhorrent
>insert retardation

reincarnation is real zoomzoom newfag.

>>512484766
YOU are not flesh, YOU are a Soul
Your Soul possesses the flesh
God is the Father of all Souls
God is YOUR Father
You are a son of God
This is what Jesus told us.

"Don't call me Christ, you are as much Christ as I am"

1 John 3 KJV

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Those who have disowned the Father, are disowned by him as well. They are no longer my brother.

Matthew 10 KJV

32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

>>512486049
Thank you, and i agree presenting a source is great but the only reason its so great is that it can be checked. some people think the mere presence of a source adds validity when infact its just another place to check

God exists but terminally online evangelical retards like OP who fall for obviously made up stories about how the last words of every atheist ever were "Oh no I'm going to hell" give Christianity a bad name

>>512486116
Yes it is, I searched my previous life within my subconsciousness, and it sort of explains why I'm they way I am in this one

>>512486106
>Will there be niggers and jews in heaven?
No

>>512481960
Universalism is what the original Christians believed. This is WHY every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Jesus died for us all and ALL will be saved, whether you like it or not.

>>512486106
>two more weeks
how many weeks do each of us have i wonder?
the fact is once our lives are over the world is over for us. keep in mind about %19 of people DONT make it to live 65 years old, we could die any time. yes, even perhaps two weeks from now

>>512484840
The Bible teaches us that even if an angel were to come and preach a different gospel, we should always continue to live in the faith of Jesus Christ as our saviour.
>Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matthew 24:35)
>>512484988
The parable does not imply hades to be on earth, but clearly says that it is where the dead were.

The circular reasoning of christcucks is especially retarded

> God creates and programs humans
> gets mad when they do something according to their programming

Imagine you creates an app or something and it didn't work correctly because it didn't work the way you programmed it. Do you blame the app or yourself for programming it that way? Is your God really that petty to blame the app?

You have to be low iq to buy into this shit. This system of worship was built for goy animal slaves.

>>512482163
In the eyes of God there's no difference between yelling at a guy who cuts you off and traffic (even though he can' hear you) and murder. So yes, he will forgive you for everything.

>>512485204
>what it says in the book we wrote
There are 66 books in the Bible, written by at least 40 different authours.

>>512486188
I understand you but I disagree.
Most people are lazy.
But it isn't even about laziness.
Nobody will check everything claimed in this website (or anywhere else, really).
A source is just a quick link one can use to assert the veracity of a claim.
Therefore it adds a dramatic uncomparable level of validity. Or a quick comfirmation of the claim.

I still understand what you said and you're obviously correct. But it's sort of a tautology, it's just a truth that matters little in the practical world and so it renders your logic / assertion if not untrue, practically of the same category.

Sources are kings.

>>512486400
What if the angel says they are Jesus christ but are lying. And they tell you to get butt fucked by a nigger - what are you going to do? Disregard Jesus command?

>>512482340
Friedrich Nietzsche's last words, uttered after a mental breakdown, were "Mutter, ich bin dumm", meaning "Mother, I am stupid."

>>512486513
With edits, re-edits, intrepetations etc..

Protestants have managed to turn Christianity into a complete straw man in just a few centuries.
Sad.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOHhm1BripQ

>>512486320
>ALL will be saved

In the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, Jesus does indeed say that only a few people will make it to heaven. Specifically, Matthew 7:13-14 states that the gate to life is narrow and the road is difficult, and few find it, while the gate to destruction is wide and the road is easy, and many enter that way. In Luke 13:23-24, someone asks Jesus if only a few will be saved, and he replies that many will try to enter the narrow door but will not be strong enough.

>>512481114
I'll pray for you too anon, if you want you - and any anon - can recite this prayer:

Lord Jesus, Son of God and Saviour, please heal me and cleanse me of my sin, forgive my iniquity. Your death on the cross was atonement for me and by your precious blood, we are all offered salvation, and for this I give thanks and praise. Please Lord, guide and guard me, and by the Holy Spirit teach me how to follow you, as Lord and God. Amen!

>>512486687
The idea of heaven is retarded too. What does one do in heaven? This is what you are spending your whole life being a good goy for, you should be able to explain. Do you hang out with your family for eternity? Is there boredom? Are you just sitting there and staring for billions of years. Please let me know.

Jesus is God

>>512482992
The demons are out. Be cast out in the name of Jesus who has all authority over you. Break the covenant of your host and burn and be sent away.

>>512486697
>I'll pray for you too anon, if you want you - and any anon - can recite this prayer:

> "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.".

>>512485763
Interesting, yeah I am starting to believe that Yeshua may have been the messiah, I read Mark and Matthew and can observe much if it when to synagogue. I get to John and it loses me.

>>512486432
>God creates and programs humans
He did not program anyone, He gave Adam and Eve free will, gave Cain free will, gave the people who lived in Noah's time free will. God did not make a mistake, He made a perfect creation with perfect free will that could choose to love God perfectly, that is without coercion or force, but man was deceived by the devil, and gave authourity over this earth into satan's hands. All according to plan, as God's lamb had been appointed to be sacrificed before man even bit into that fruit, so that God's perfect love could be revealed to us. You've not even begun to understand the depth and majesty of God's plan.

>>512486580
Can you give me an example of some edits in the Bible?

>>512483915
Matthew 13:13 "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand',"

>>512486903
For somebody who "lacks belief in God or gods" - you know enough about mine; Jesus too, used scripture against satan - as you know.

I'll pray for you!

>>512483945
I believe in what Jesus did on the cross. Your labels mean nothing.

>>512486876
Amen
>And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

>>512486876
Jesus is the designated semitic God of the slave goys. Semiticism is Saturn worship. In saturnian myth saturn is God and he eats his children as sacrifices. Is Jesus not the sacrificed son of God? You are born to follow these sacrifice ideals, born to be a slave goy to be milked by your lord jews. Back in caanan children were birthed specifically to be sacrificed to yahweh El. Semites never stopped this practiced, you are still born to be a milked goy. Hence why every christcuck with actual power is a zionist. All your presidents, popes etc...

>>512487183
Yeah, Matin Luther editing out 7 books of the bible

>>512487206
Agreed.

>>512487278
>For somebody who "lacks belief in God or gods" - you know enough about mine;
I used to be a Christian
>ill pray for you
You won't

>>512486835
>What does one do in heaven?
Accept Jesus Christ as LORD, believe he died for our sins, and repent by turning away from sin and following the teachings of Jesus

>>512487456
That's what you do in heaven too? Sounds terrible

>>512484597
What's stopping you from doing that right now?

>>512484597
>You can still repent after you're dead, by the way. If you reject God all your life, and find yourself in the void, you just have to call out to him and ask him to save you/forgive you. After death and getting saved, you basically get shown the wrong you did to others, and then repent for it after knowing and seeing why it was so wrong. That's pretty much it
Wow new lore dropped lol

>>512487113
You're still using retarded reasoning

> God creates the clay
> God creates the soul
> God gets mad when they act according to a nature, HE CREATED

If God didn't want sinners why does he allow sin to exist? There's no way to slice this that isn't retarded. If God creates free will then why is he mad when it's exercised?

>>512487528
Whoops i should have read that closer haha forgive me, as to what we do i would recommend looking it up as there are several verses that describe it but i dont know for sure
i heard that we get new bodies and wander on the 'new earth' with Jesus as the light source but i heard that from a guy on youtube shorts. really, the best way to know is in the bible.

>>512487455
>editing out 7 books
He did not "edit out" 7 books. His Bible, often called the "complete" Bible, contained the Apocryphal books.
>>512487455
>I used to be a Christian
>They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

>>512487747
>really, the best way to know is in the bible.
Revelation paints a rather hideous image.

>>512487740
God gave us free will to see if we would choose him over sin from what i understand

>>512487456
>Accept Jesus Christ as LORD
No

He's not a lord, he's not a king, he's the son of God, not some earthly political leader

He never sought political or military power, he never asked anyone to devote their entire existence to him and him alone

>believe he died for our sins
He never said "I will die for your sins", and after the crucifiction he also didn't say "I have died for your sins", either, that was entirely an invention of Paul who felt guilty about persecuting Christians

>and repent by turning away from sin and following the teachings of Jesus
The only reasonable part of your post

1/3 see me after class

>>512484766
Mormons teach with the Bible, New Testament, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants.

I know because I grew up Mormon but now only follow the Bible. I don't need a church building only my personal relationship with God.

>>512487793
i have not read Revelation yet but i heard that its the scariest book and im afraid to read it but i will when i get there

>>512486400
Yeah but the Bible isn't the current word of God anymore though he handed down new instructions

If you don't follow them you're a blasphemer. Same as if you follow OT only today

Widespread atheism is a byproduct of a dying society. Name one atheist civilization.

>>512487832
Why is your God so petty that he cares if people are actively worshipping him?

>>512487774
>He did not "edit out" 7 books
Sure did
>>512487774
>>They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Spoken like a true cultist. What's funny is if I came back then clowns like you would say
>I knew God would call you back, Christ was always with you
Lol

>>512487874
Can you tell me more?
I know that Jesus constantly prayed to the Father, but im pretty sure he is part of the Holy Trinity and is therefore worthy of worship.

Fascinating, and why dont people who have never heard of Christianity have this happen? How come mayans and aztecs werent calling out for your rabbi?

>>512487874
>crucifiction
crucifixion*

Not a Freudian slip, I just never knew how that word was actually spelled until now

>>512487925
It's not scary.
Only if you believe "too much" as if it will happen tomorrow or something.

Don't be afraid to read it.

>>512487740
The nature of God is merciful, good, and gracious, but also just, righteous, and holy. In those exact qualities God created man. But another quality of God is love, and God gave man perfect love, not forced and fake "love" or carnal lust, but love as "agape", that is love as a choice, without expecting anything in return, without limits, and without hidden motives. For that kind of love to be seen in humans, one must have a free will and the ability to choose to love. That is why God created man with the ability to choose.

>>512488005
Dying societies probably get to a certain blackpilling point where they realize God really isn't going to save them. It's all well and good to praise your state sponsored God when the state is providing for you. However when you are sick, dying, being raped by foreigners as well as everyone else around you, I think people will naturally start questioning God's plan and realize it was a scam to herd them.

>>512488129
>that is love as a choice, without expecting anything in return
That's a lie. He expects you to bend the knee and abandon your family for him
>free will
Impossible when your God has a will that supercedes yours

>>512487990
>Yeah but the Bible isn't the current word of God anymore
according to who
>>512488034
>Spoken like a true cultist. What's funny is if I came back then clowns like you would say
>>I knew God would call you back, Christ was always with you
Biblically incorrect, as the parable of the prodigal son teaches us God awaits you, yes, but if you deny Jesus, He will deny you before God.

>>512488289
>abandon your family for him
God has never commanded anyone to abandon their families.

>>512488305
>Biblically incorrect, as the parable of the prodigal son teaches us God awaits you, yes, but if you deny Jesus, He will deny you before God.
Again, I just need to "repent" and I'm were back to what I said

>>512488362
>God has never commanded anyone to abandon their families.
Jesus did.

>>512488257
>It's all well and good to praise your state sponsored God when the state is providing for you. However when you are sick, dying, being raped by foreigners as well as everyone else around you, I think people will naturally start questioning God's plan

Kek
It's literally the opposite.
When do you think there was more belief in Christ in Europe? 1200 or 2020?

>>512488289
>Impossible when your God has a will that supercedes yours
What do you not understand about having a choice? Either you accept God's way as the correct way to salvation, or suffer the consequences of your own actions. Some people just cannot answer for their actions and must blame everyone else for their faults. Such people grow up to be irresponsible and arrogant.

>>512488040
Not sure if I can, the nature of the trinity is pretty vague

I'm pretty sure they're all separate beings, but at the same time they're all God, but at the same time none of them are

If you sincerely put your faith in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they won't steer you wrong

Jesus never said to pray to him and him alone, the lord's prayer starts with "Our Father" for a reason

>>512488363
But you aren't repenting, therefore Christ is not with you.

>>512485343
Richard Belzer -- his last words were reportedly, “Fuck you, motherfucker.”

>>512488129
So basically "god" fills whatever convenient void you need.

He gives you free will then acts offended when it's exercised in certain ways. Which would imply it's not very free if certain behavior incurs gods punishment.

Basically retarded circular reasoning. He's merciful good loves you and gives you a choice but also "righteous and holy" which I assume you mean as vengeful and petty because you are referring to him punishing people who don't do what he wants. So basically you are saying people have free will then you are vaguely implying they don't have free will because certain behaviors are punished by God.

Is an action considered free if God punishes you for it? I'd say a real obvious, no.

>>512488515
>What do you not understand about having a choice?
Free will isn't about making a choice. Machines and computer programs make choices all day. It's about the cause and the effect

>>512488515
>Either you accept God's way as the correct way to salvation, or suffer the consequences of your own actions.
I didn't decide to send myself to hell. Your God did. And that demonstrates an ultimatum. That's not free
>>512488515
>Some people just cannot answer for their actions and must blame everyone else for their faults. Such people grow up to be irresponsible and arrogant.
Sounds like Christians who rely on vicarious redemption

>>512488595
Thanks for proving my point lol

>>512488400
He never commanded anyone to abandon their families. He teaches us to love one another and lay our lives down for our friends and family. He teaches us to bear the struggles of one another and to obey our parents, love our children.

>>512488560
I hope I didnt lead anyone astray, I didnt mean for anybody to turn away from the Father or the Holy Spirit and only worship Jesus. I should have been more considerate of that and im sorry to anyone reading this.

>>512485427
Father James Bernstein who converted from Judaism to Christianity. -- Christ is Risen! He is Risen indeed!

>>512486697
I have recited this prayer. I only believe and care about Jesus. Every prayer of mine ends with: don’t take me from this world until Your will for my life has been fulfilled exactly as You thought it when You created me.
I hope he takes mercy on me. I believe in Him. I’m scared sometimes. What if I need to do more for Him and I’m not?

>>512488717
>He never commanded anyone to abandon their families
Wrong
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Read your bible sometime

>>512488717
Make sure you follow the lesson of turning the other cheek when kikes rape your societies.

My favorite Jesus fake story is when some goy woman begged him to help her sick child and he turned her away because he was only born to service the jews.

>>512486432
>God creates and programs humans
That’s your own assertion. Will is sacred and can’t be infringed upon.
>gets mad when they do something according to their programming
again
Hell isn’t a punishment, it’s where one gravitates by the weight of their own choices. Heavy hearts sink like stones to be with those like themselves, light hearts rise. Christ taught us how to lighten the load.

Ty for the thread OP. I’ve realised we deliver God’s message by living His message and increasing our own light. A city set upon a hill cannot be hid. Then people will flock to us with questions
>how do you remain sure in this storm?
>how do you remain joyful in this darkness?
Then they will listen when you point to Him. We can’t help people who don’t want to be helped

>>512486163
>YOU are not flesh, YOU are a Soul
Thats not good thing.
Thats means not even death is end of this nightmare

>>512488704
>I didn't decide to send myself to hell
Keep in mind you are not in hell right now and you still have a choice to follow the LORD.
and no, its not free, Jesus knows the burden of our sins which is why he walked with His own cross that He would be killed on. He loves you so so much and wants you to turn to him.

>>512488945
>Will is sacred and can’t be infringed upon.
Yet God hardened the heart of the Pharoah.

>>512488997
>you still have a choice to follow the LORD.
Pass, thanks

>>512488648
>vengeful and petty
There's the issue with your life, you hate taking responsibility for your own actions, and thus see punishment as petty. People have free will, as evidenced by the very existence of sin. God said "do not murder", meaning His creation must not murder. But if God wills not murder, then murderers are using their free will to murder. But when murderers are punished for their wickedness, is that not righteous and just? Is that not the consequences of their actions?
>Is an action considered free if God punishes you for it?
Of course it is. You chose to suffer, and that was entirely your choice.

>>512488767
>What if I need to do more for Him and I’m not?
I worry about this too sometimes, but salvation is from faith alone not of works so that no man can boast.
but a saved person will produce good fruit how do i know if my fruit is good?

>>512488945
You still haven't explained the difference between heaven and hell. What does one do in heaven? Or hell? Stare at a wall for billions of years. This is what you spent so much time and energy being a good goy for. You should be able to answer.

I thought God created us in his image. Get your stories straight. Or quit the pilpul.

>>512487113
If we have free will
In that case why i am forced to exist against my so called free will?
So If i have free will, why i am denied choice to not exist?

>>512488856
can you provide the verse please?

>>512488856
>My favorite Jesus fake story is when some goy woman begged him to help her sick child and he turned her away because he was only born to service the jews.
This isn't accurate

>>512480805 (OP)
Bump

>>512488945
Thank you so much i wish i could hug you right now haha. Maybe one day I will.

>>512488704
>Machines and computer programs make choices all day.
Humans aren't machine, however. Machines work off of a set of guidelines, they never step outside of the boundaries implemented. Humans step outside boundaries all the time. If we were machines, sin wouldn't exist, suffering would be nonexistent, and pain a theoretical concept
>I didn't decide to send myself to hell.
That's exactly what you decided. Instead of saying, "God let your will be done", you've said "God, I want my will to be done" and rejected His perfect and good path. God does not need anything from man, for He is God. God wants you to be saved, which is why He offers you a path of salvation.

>>512488856
>he turned her away because he was only born to service the jews.
Verse?

>>512489219
Free will is something christians say to make their already retarded belief system even less coherent.

>>512484207
LOL. Are you retarded. Mormonism is a bad fanfic written by a polygamist. And JW literally mistranslate the Bible on purpose to make up doctrines and abuse their laity.

>>512489164
You reference the existence of sin as proof of your system but where is your evidence that sin is real?

This is just pilpul on top of pilpul. Kind of like how the jesus stories(and many others in the bible) in the bible is a collection of jewish stories that no other historian heard of until like over 100 years after Jesus supposed death. Except for a bunch of jews that say "confirmed!" To each other.

Where is your evidence that God punishes murderers? If you can't prove this then you have to re examine the basis for your system. That it's made up as a jewish scheme to control you.

>>512489201
Faith. We must pray for Him to increase our faith bro. My understanding is that faith is a gift from Him. My faith is really tiny right now but somehow I feel Him and believe. I muttered a small prayer for both of us, so that faith is increased. You’ve done wonders for me with this thread. It really added to my fear of damnation. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom anyway

>>512481114
You should have held up Pat; now you are in hell. RLTW! >but I won’t follow you there.

>>512489412
>Machines work off of a set of guidelines
Just like you do with your Christian values
>Humans aren't machine, however
Which why making a choice has nothing to do with free will
>they never step outside of the boundaries implemented. Humans step outside boundaries all the time.
Yes they do. That's what bugs and glitches are. Humans and everything else revolves around cause and effect
>>512489412
>>I didn't decide to send myself to hell.
>That's exactly what you decided
Incorrect. I use my free will to nit bend the knee and go on with my life.

>>512488838
>For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
The word of God is divisive and many will hate you for believing it; even those in your own household.
>He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
So Jesus must come before family and taqqiyah is a sin.

>>512489559
Kek, a limp wrested faggot typed this

>>512489356
Sure it is.

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

Jesus would only heal the goy woman after she degraded herself by comparing herself to a dog compared to the lord jews that Jesus was sent to service.

>>512489219
Because without existence you cannot have free will.

>>512489629
>The word of God is divisive and many will hate you for believing it; even those in your own household.
That's why Jesus commands you abandon your family
>>512489629
>So Jesus must come before family
Thanks for proving me right

>>512489530
Thank you, I love you.

>>512489525
So you don't believe in Jesus or sin? Then you have nothing to worry about, and are seething without reason.

>>512487740
Ask Him. Seriously ask Him. Ask The Holy Spirit to reveal this to you. Be serious about it. Everyone should ask God directly questions like this instead of asking another person to interpret.

>>512489616
>Incorrect. I use my free will to nit bend the knee and go on with my life.
Correct, you choose to go to hell on your own, knowing full well about sin and judgement.

>>512489693
You really should finish it
>28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Don't be disingenuous

>>512489825
>you choose to go to hell on your own
Nah, I use my free will to avoid hell.

>>512480805 (OP)
These are all fake quotes

>>512489724
>commands you abandon your family
Not what He commanded.
>Thanks for proving me right
Wow, delusional.

>>512485661
Deist is just a sect of Christianity dumbass, their "critique of Christianity" is literally just a critique of the Catholic Church.

>>512489213
I will take a crack at this one. In Hell one’s soul is continuously tormented primarily by the souls guilty conscience because in its pure spirit form, soul/person will fully understand the gravity of their sins and endless sorrow of briefly seeing a wrathful God who then cast them away from Him, for eternity. Another aspect is endless physical pain of varying intensity. Depending on what the person’s sins are. Not all will suffer equally, but all who are in Hell are equally dammed to eternity of separation from God.
Heaven: you will bask in God’s presence for eternity. Imagine the best times in your life and multiply that by an inconceivably high number. Not all will be rewarded equally, but all will be perfectly happy and content. You’ll never be bored as God will continue to reveal his magnificence to you for eternity. Never to be exhausted

>>512489897
>Not what He commanded.
100% if you live your kids more than him than you're not worthy

>>512489897
>Wow, delusional.
You are, yes

>>512489872
There's only one way to avoid eternal torment, and you've rejected it, meaning you choose to suffer forever.

>>512489839
Thank you for standing up for the truth by showing the rest of the verse, the adversary will twist and misrepresent the scripture to deceive others

>>512489955
>There's only one way to avoid eternal torment
Ah so it's not very free then.

Thanks again for proving my point

>>512480805 (OP)
>>512480839
>>512480885
>>512480936
WORSHIP THE MAGIC JEW, GOY

>>512487793
It's great. It's literally what all the accelerationists want. The cups of wrath have already started to pour. Tik tok Synagogue of Satan.

>Luke 21:28. "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

>>512489989
Indeed. I appreciate how you represented yourself ITT. It's very rare

>>512489872
if you dont pull the cord on your parachute you will hit the ground wheather you want to or not

>>512490031
>It's great.
Multi eyed beast whaling and praising God all day, sounds terrible

>>512482906
If its any consolation, once you go to heaven you basically cease to be a human or to even be a sentient organism in a meaningful sense. You don't remember anything from your old life. You just sing the praises of the Great God for all eternity. Enjoy!

>>512489934
From my understanding Deism is just a belief in 'a' God not necessarily the Christian God

>>512482078
Christ is King of kings
Christ is Lord

>>512487874
Jesus is the King of Kings and will rule here on Earth for 1000 years. The Bible makes more sense if you take the Dr Manhattan approach. Everything has already happened, us plebs just haven't experienced it yet.

God loves Jerusalem because he ruled it for 1000 years. He is the Living God that was, that is and that will be.

>>512488129
>The nature of God is merciful, good, and gracious, but also just, righteous, and holy
And is this why he allows fallen angels to fuck with humanity?

>>512486931
>The messiah
I might get flack for this, but there is no messiah. God’s Sons aren’t corrupted and in need of saving, we are made in His image: eternally incorruptible. Christs message was this. We are children of God. Forgive, return to the innocence of childhood, and know this is true.
As long as you believe you are a sinner, wicked and defiled, you will fear God, naturally. But how can you fear Love? God is Everything. What a way to live, fearful of everything. Look around and see this is how everyone is, the world over: fearful of every step they take, fighting, hoarding, abusing, begging, crying. Everyone.
Christ’s message, delivered through His miracles - defying illness, death, and the laws of the world - is that the world of form is merely an appearance. You appear servile, limited, and mortal, but please see, against all the evidence that says otherwise, that you are His Son, as flawless as the moment you were conceived.
You are flawless. If that doesn’t sit right with you, that’s something you would do well to look into, perhaps there’s something you’re holding over your own head which you refuse to forgive

>>512489839
Her great faith was acknowledging that she's a goy dog compared to the kikes. How do you not understand this? Were you hit in the head as a child?

>>512488129
>The nature of God is merciful
He tortures people forever for joining the wrong religion. No one knows what the correct religion is and assumes the one they were raised in is the correct one which makes salvation arbitrary.
>that is love as a choice, without expecting anything in return
He threatens infinite torture in hellfire if you don't join his religion. Not much of a choice and coercion is not love.

>>512483888
>Lusted after someone or something
Of all the "sins" of Christianity this one is the most ridiculous to me. The biological urge to reproduce is inbuilt in the human experience. If that is a flaw then it is a flaw in his design, yet he is punishing us for being as he made is.

>>512488129
this anon Knows
rare

>>512490336
You are very selectively interpreting it. God is perfect love, yes. But he is also perfect justice. These two traits are perfectly reconciled in Him. His love will move the world to save you, but His justice will judge you perfectly when your time comes.

>>512490336
>might get flack for this, but there is no messiah. God’s Sons aren’t corrupted and in need of saving
Im afraid you might be leading others astray here, Satan has corrupted humanity with sin, it started in the Garden of Eden. We need the sacrifice of Jesus to be saved. Jesus, the only perfect and sinless man who ever lived was murdered by this world. Proof enough that following the world, and not the LORD will lead to death.

>>512490457
Dude you got caught lying. That's why you're changing the argument

>>512489941
How does one feel guilt in the afterlife? Does tike exist when you aren't a physical being that decays? How does one feel pain if you have no nerves?

What does basking in God's presence of eternity entail? Do I have consciousness? Am I aware? Can I do stuff? The idea that heaven is the best time of your life, all the time sounds childish. Again, how do you feel this if you have no nerves or chemicals in a physical body that make you feel good? How do you sure about God's magnificence? What proof or even evidence do you have of this?

Any which way you pull a thread on christcuck myth and it falls apart.

>>512488257
God is as real as the feeling of love. When you are born again you feel that love. It's stronger then any love you had felt in your entire life. The waves of it are intense. Modern Churches downplay the most interesting parts of spirituality and the gifts of The Holy Spirit.

People have seen Jesus (I've seen his hands)

People have heard Jesus (Hes proved Himself when I had a strong spiritual encounter and I asked if He would implant a specific recipe for someone else to cook if it was Him I was interacting with and He did.) His favorite music is reggae and He likes hamburgers.

They have felt Him (I've felt hands on my head and my heart has a new burning feeling that burns more when I worship)

And the gifts of The Holy Spirit that those who have received it have one or more. I have Deliverance and Discernment.

>>512488305
According to God. What do you not get?

I had a slightly different experience to an atheist. I completely forgot about my Christian upbringing in the anglican church and decided to search for spirituality.

This yearning brought me to occult stuff like Aleister Crowley, tarot cards, astrology and mysticism.

I tried practicing magic a few times and I'm scizo for 6 years on benefits. I have a ghost that lives in my head and sometimes tortures me.

I have seen weird tv programs and insects on my body and faces in the mirror.

I now believe in God again and the divinity of Jesus Christ.

>>512480805 (OP)
"what are you going to do, shoot me?" -nigger who got shot.

>>512486835
>Do you hang out with your family for eternity?
by "family" you mean flesh? flesh does not go to heaven.
We are all souls, forget the flesh;
All souls are brothers.
In heaven there are only souls
Your grandfather on earth is your brother in heaven, and so is your grandmother.
That is if they made it into heaven, and you.

There is no such thing as a "woman stuck in a man's body" all souls are brothers. There are no woman souls. There are souls stuck in a woman's body, while they are here on earth, but they will be brothers again in heaven, if they make it through this level and move on to the next.

>>512484713
The Bible teaches racial unity, too. You've just never read it, but look at 4chan memes all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp4

>>512490801
>Jesus does little parlor tricks at my command

Its an IQ test.

>>512490801
Ah yes. A bunch of accounts that can't be proven. How convenient for the Jewish slave system to be like this. Built on the ol jewish "2 more weeks" and then salvation comes, punishment for the wicked, etc... it's totally coming bros. Said people for thousands of years that have had to suffer through jews, and you as well.

>>512488515
They are slaves to sin. You are triggering their addiction and getting the predictable lashing out.

>>512481114
>Cool stories bro. But I still lack belief in God or gods.
it'll be hard to goon when burning in the lake of fire anon

>>512490972
>ADL shit on wall

Perfect image, jew-kun

I denounce the Holy Spirit and the humiliation of repentance

>>512490972
Sounds like a personal problem duder

>>512490896
You're making this retarded shit up as you go along right? Where is your evidence for anything you are saying.

I have prebirth memories. None of them were like some gay christcuck after/before life. There was no deities.

>>512490718
You’re not arguing in good faith but that’s ok. Reductio ad absurdum is about how you argue.
God is a spirit. We are too. We are just sheathed in this body for a while. Once body is done you will retain everything that makes you, you. Your senses will be vastly more heightened, and your sense of understanding much deeper due to your pure spiritual form. There are no nerves to feel pain, and neither is there physical fire. You will feel it on a spiritual level. I assume it would be more intense than scuba diving in a neutron star. I believe in heaven there will be an inexhaustible amount of cool and interesting things to do all the time. I for one will definitely spend a lot of time learning about the angelic host and checking out their armories for example.
Scripturally, we don’t know all the details.

>>512489213
That stems from a fair misunderstanding, most Christians don’t get it either.
Heaven and Hell aren’t places, per se, it might be more accurate to describe them as inner states. Two people in the same room, awaiting the same fate, can have two completely opposite experiences. One may be wrought with dread, unbearable tension, and with “demonic” thoughts tormenting their mind while the other may be enjoying the sounds of the birds outside.
This example is crass but follow me: can you enjoy birdsong while you’re wracked with guilt, dread, or sorrow? Imprison your heart and Hell is here. Unshackle your heart and Heaven is here. Not to be found in the world, but in you

>>512480805 (OP)
Thank you, OP.
Godspeed.

>>512486876
>Jesus is God
That's insane. Go read Jesus' own words.
He says he is not, again and again.
If you worship Jesus, you will burn in the lake of fire with all the catholics who worship his mother.

>>512480805 (OP)
Imagine fearing death after living 70ish years in that shit world. Lmao.

Normal people just yearn it.

>>512490801
I’m jealous of your experience, and of your gifts. I’ll pray I have more of Him in the future

>>512491132
>Fear-based religion

Only an evil god could conjure such things.

You will burn there also, since you are not a Jehovas witness and a Mormon. Blasphemer

>>512491174
>worshiping the woman that gave the Son of God life sends you to Hell
>the same punishment murderers, rapists and the like get

Retarded religion.

>>512491174
He wasn't god before the resurrection, then he became the Tathagatha. Christianity is thoroughly sourced from Buddhism

>>512491174
I don't think it's a correct teaching like you said, but it also says in the Bible that the lake of fire was made for satan and his angels.

It's a truly horrific circumstance and I think if you accept Jesus you're good.

>>512488560
Jesus diminished Himself and His own will so God's will could act through Him as our shepherd and Messiah. As a reward for this act of humility Jesus sits at the right hand of God. Their will is One but as separate beings.

The same is our reward as the body of Christ. We will unite with Christ and have the same will as God but still be separate beings.

God is in Jesus
Jesus is in us
We are in Jesus
We are in God

Lukewarm Christians need to ask Jesus and The Holy Spirit into their hearts. Not as a metaphor but ask directly. The transformation is incredible. You begin to finally "get" it.

>>512491132
How do you have senses without organs lmao. Im going smell shit without a nose? Taste things without taste buds? And frankly, all these senses are felt through a constrain of time which shouldn't exist if you are no longer a physical decaying being.

You keep digging yourself in a hole trying to explain heaven. Don't you realize how retarded you sound? Haven't you ever tried to put your own arguments under scrutiny? Or have you just been a good goy your entire life and are overly invested into the system?

>>512490972
Dont mock him if you care about him, we should not joke about sending others to hell, we need to love our neighbors. That is the best way because nobody wants to listen to a self-righteous mocker.

>>512490801
>His favorite music is reggae and He likes hamburgers.

Spoken like a true pothead.

>>512491151
I understand what heaven and hell is far more than you. They are bastardized jewish concepts stolen from other myths which had an underworld and sky gods. Jews did a bad copy and paste job to steal their myths which is why you are having such a hard time explaining things now. It's why you have to resort to such intense pilpul to try and push a point.

>>512480885
>>512480839
>>512481078
>>512480992
>>512480805 (OP)
>but not all atheists tho?
(laughing in saved)

>>512491327
No it's not, it's sourced from God.

>>512491408
Potheads tend to be more reflective, he should discern the spirit as it says in the bible because it could be an evil spirit that's posing.

I have a lot of experience with evil spirits i'm scizo for 6 years

>>512488767
He'll let you know. He told Abraham off and on he would have more kids then the stars and it didn't happen until he was in his 90s.

Just like demons plant intrusive thoughts God plants strong desires to do something.

>>512491372
Yes. Pascal’s wager. I cast my lot with Jesus. When you draw your last breath and the curtain falls, you’ll see the truth. Won’t be good then but at least you’ll see

>>512491372
that's what they all said, well more established atheists than you, and yet they cried for forgiveness before eternally plunging into the lake of fire, do not think you will be judged any differently if you don't repent

>>512489392
See you on the golden shore, brother

>>512490600
God IS. There is nothing outside of God else He wouldn’t be complete. But you have already judged yourself as imperfect. Turn over your judgements to Him and He will judge you rightly: you are His Son, flawless

>>512490621
>Jesus, the only perfect and sinless man who ever lived
Let Him be the judge of that

>>512491604
Ah trying to use jewish scare tactics when all else fails. Not impressive, sir. I'm too educated to buy into these retarded scams.

>>512488838
If you love your wife more then God then you will do crack(sins) with her. If you love God more you will refrain.

>>512481114
You believe there are no gods. Can you justify your faith in atheism?

>>512491372
>m going smell shit without a nose? Taste things without taste buds?
In a dream, you can see and taste and smell and feel all without those things actually happening. our experience is in our soul you dont need eyes to see or a tongue to taste

>>512491703
>If you love your wife more then God then you will do crack(sins) with her
Speaking from experience?
>>512491706
>faith in atheism
Oxymoron.

>>512491679
I'm truly concerned for you, not trying to scare you. Hell is hell, shit if I was talking like you were about god and jesus I'd hope at least someone was trying to give my head a shake. And stop lying, you know exactly what you're doing and why you're in this thread, all you want to do is insult christianity, christians and the lord

>>512491759
During dreams you are still anchored and wired into a physical body with nerves that can fire. How are you feeling shit when you are dead and no longer connected to nerves?

>>512491651
>God IS. There is nothing outside of God else He wouldn’t be complete. But you have already judged yourself as imperfect. Turn over your judgements to Him and He will judge you rightly: you are His Son, flawless
You’re imputing divine attributes to me. I’m not divine. I strive to be godly but that’s not what you have in mind. If I was flawless I would have no need for Lord’s sacrifice. It’s a perilous road you’re on. I admire your bravery but you are just a creature with a very finite understanding. Humble in front of Almighty and He will disperse this fog. We are His sons yes. I love my baby boys more than I can explain in words yet occasionally, I have to gently spank here and there to reinforce my will for them and stop them from self destruction. It doesn’t diminish this burning love I feel for them. I imagine heavy Father feels the same

When I was in deep schizophrenia and hallucinating demon shadows on the wall and insects crawling on my body. I was too traumatised to do anything fun so I listened to an African evangelical stream for about 2 weeks singing songs of praise and preaching.

This image freaked me out cus when your scizo you see spiritual things. This cloud picture looked like a holy battle going on in the sky and i'm still scared to look at it.


Psalm 18:10-12

Note David's mention of “[H]is clouds.” Numbers 10:34 refers to “the cloud of the LORD.” The clouds God rides (compare Psalm 68:4) are unique for at least two awe-inspiring reasons.

First, unlike the rainy-day clouds we experience so often (scientifically, the colloidal aerosol made up predominately of water vapor), God's clouds issue “coals of fire” as well as moisture. God's clouds are supernatural. They are in some ways like the clouds we know so well—the clouds that testify to God's power and divinity—but in other ways astonishingly different.

Second and more importantly, God's clouds reflect His glory. We might say God's clouds are a lens focusing His glory. When God's clouds are around, He is around! His clouds signal His presence.

>>512489113
You don't have to be in the Lords home when you die but you will lose His protection for those who love sin want to play with you. You also reject happy emotions because that's God too.
All that's left is Sin, Hate, Dispair and loneliness which is what the rejection of God is. Why your heart thinks that's all you deserve I don't understand. I hope you can love yourself more someday.

>"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also,"

>>512491474
You’re right anon, I apologise. What does it matter anyway? The sun rises and sets regardless of what you or I believe…

>>512491916
I'm far more educated and practiced in spiritualism than you. Trust me when I say, you are retarded.

>>512491975
i believe experience takes place in the mind/soul
our mind is our soul but our brain is not our mind
in my opinion. please counter this if i am incorrect

>>512492031
It amazes me the level these people go to try and gaslight me simply because I dont believe in the same things they do

And yet you are here, among us; some superiority indeed.

>>512483139
>opiate-narrative
Marxists are so fucking pathetic when confronted with their fecklessness, abhorrent in their self-satisfied pride.
Sounds like a character from a book I read.

>>512492192
No one is gaslighting you. I acknowledge your different beliefs and don’t really care what you do or don’t. Your call. Your free will. Carry on bro

>>512492159
It matters a lot not to have your soul ensared into a jewish scam system. Do you accept your existence as a jew slave? The sun will still rise whether or not you do but is that is that what you want for yourself?

>>512489693
His apostles were being discrimatory. This story was to show them how they misjudged the faith of a caanonite to their shame.

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

>>512492321
>No one is gaslighting you. I acknowledge your different beliefs and don’t really care what you do or don’t
You aren't the anon I was replying too either

>>512492172
Your mind is not your soul. Your mind is capable of being corrupted by the body. Your soul is an eternal nature.

>>512489872
Good luck in your attempts

>>512492414
> It amazes me the level these people
You used plural so I assumed I’m allowed to reply. I’m not a native speaker so some nuances tend to escape me

>>512492011
I am so sorry you are afflicted like this, maybe you can see i dont know. but DO know that God loves you and wants you to be safe and joyous.
also I love you too I think you are on the right track by following the LORD.

>>512492457
No attempts needed. Your make-believe is just that.

One only needs to spend some time on public transportation to understand hell is already here

>>512490096
It's going to suck for non believers yes.

>Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him."

>>512492542
>You used plural so I assumed I’m allowed to reply
I did and of course you can reply. The plural was for people like the one i was responding too.
>>512492542
>I’m not a native speaker so some nuances tend to escape me
All good.

>>512490113
Oh ye of little imagination. Think bigger.

> 1 Corinthians 2:9 "But, as it is written, 'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him'"

>>512492581
>It's going to suck for non believers yes
Kek
>maybe this oogabooga will work!
Lmao

>>512492571
Oh you fool. if only you had the brainpower and discipline to conjecture how bad things could really be.

>>512489693
>He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
This statement should not be taken out of context.
There are 12 tribes of Israel, not just the Judahites (jews)

Noah's oldest, and purest son Japheth, and his children were loyal to God. As were the children of Ham, Noah's youngest son. The problem child was Shem.

Noah's wife Namaah daughter of Lamech of the blood of Cain, bore Noah's son Shem.
Shemites had evil in their hearts.
God sent Moses to try and turn them back towards God, but they refused and continued to worship false gods.
So God sent Jesus to spread the word of God to all, as a reminder to the good, but he had a mission to again try and get the lost sheep back on the right path.
Rome was founded by a murderer, he was a murderer from the beginning, and the jews were still worshiping their false god the bull.
Jesus tried to get these shemites to change their ways, nut they killed him.
God said enough chances for them, so he sent Muhammad to deal with them once ad for all.

>>512492723
I've been around longer than you have and pulled myself out of poverty

>>512490718
Do you think love is bad because it's not material but spiritual? Are good dreams awful because of nerve endings?

>>512492832
>ackshually ive lived the worst it could be
You fool.

>>512492923
Try less strawman next reply

>>512486835
The spiritual world is consciousness based
What you see externally is a reflection of your own internal thoughts and feelings
So there is vastly increases emotionally sensitivity, and ability for pleasure, and every thing is made of light and every visual form has symbolic meaning
So evil spirits can be clearly seen, as can the good, as their inner self that was hidden in this world is made visible to all
And the light of God can be directly seen to sustaining the spiritual world, where the sun shines as God's love, rather than this material world shining by the sun of pure fire
So you are attracted to similar spirits
So purification of your mind and heart is very important, and this world is the place to do it

>>512491997
>I’m not divine
>you are just a creature with a very finite understanding
You must surely admit that you don’t actually know if that’s true. Let God be the judge of that. By saying the path Home is self-improvement you’re judging God to be a shoddy craftsman. Judge yourself and you judge Him

>I love my baby boys more than I can explain in words
Thank you for sharing that, it touched me deeply. I’m looking forward to having children of my own.

>>512488059
When you live in a christian society and reject it, you align yourself to anti-christian forces, and thus the christian hells.
When you have never heard of it, you cannot set your internal belief system in opposition to it, so you have a different afterlife.
But all major religions have descriptions of hell realms.

>>512493114
>I’m looking forward to having children of my own.
It's awesome bro. I hope you get to experience it one day

>>512492971
>le buzzword I don’t understand makes my stupid arguments better
You literally said we’re already in hell because it’s so heckin bad out there, and you were in heckin poverty and by your own big-boy self made it all better.
Your arrogance entitles you to gaslight yourself, but not everyone else in this thread.
Nice try retard. Feel the flames faggot, they’re coming for you.

>>512488257
>Dying societies probably get to a certain blackpilling point where they realize God really isn't going to save them.
You guys got that backwards.
Societies that turn away from religion naturally destroy themselves, as the destructive powers of the hells take hold in society in its place.

>>512493114
I 100% admit I don’t know. You’re right about that.
As for children of your own- they will teach you about love more than you thought possible. My only mild regret is not having them earlier, but I only met my wife in my mid thirties

>>512493250
>You literally said we’re already in hell because it’s so heckin bad out there
I said hell is here. Not that we're in it. Heaven is also here too. It's a balance m, which is up to me to maintain that within myself
>incoherent rambling
Have a nice day kiddo

>>512490843
I pray that the covenants you made knowingly or unknowingly are broken in the authority of Jesus Christ's name. That the spirits inside you are cast out so you can be made clean. That The Holy Spirit fills your home and your heart as darkness can't live in the light of your lamp. I pray in Jesus Holy name that angels are sent to guard you so you can pray for deliverance and cleansing. I pray that any doors open to your body and your home are forever closed by the grace of The Lord.

Please ask The Holy Spirit to come into your heart. The demons in your head won't be allowed dominion over your body once you do. Throw away all your occult items.

>>512493384
>I don’t understand so it’s incoherent
Your hubris will condemn your soul to actual suffering, not that pansy shit you claim to be monumental.
Good if you learn that soon, not my problem if you don’t.

This thread might be gone soon i would just like to say

Thank you to everyone for having a good discussion today hopefully some seeds were planted and will bear fruit. I would love to see us all in heaven one day. May God bless you all.

God bless you all

>>512493557
>maybe this will get him!

>>512491102
>I have prebirth memories.

God knew you (your soul) before your body was created in the womb. REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE!!!!
You are your soul. You are not, your bod.

Genesis: God said to Adam "Let us make man in our image" and God formed a body for Adam from the soil of the earth. God breathed the spirit into Adam's nostrils and Adam became a living-Soul The trinity of man Body, Soul, and Spirit.
Adam did not need to grow up and go to school, he was made as an adult, and he had knowledge from his existence as a Soul. Adam immediately named every animal on earth.
Adam was not perfect, so God ripped woman from Adam's flesh, separating woman from man. Adam and eve were tasked with creating bodies, for God's souls, so that we can experience God's creation "in the flesh" of man.

>>512493626
>I couldn’t be arsed to read the last line, much less think it through
Don’t care.

>>512493819
>Don’t care
>6 pbtid to me

>>512491369
>The Holy Spirit
You need to take the holy spirit into your lungs, without it ye will surly die. The spirit of God is all around you (air) it surrounds the earth (atmosphere)

there is no sound in a vacuum, nor words without the spirit. to confess is not in writing, but to verbalize through the spirit
sound waves radiate eternally

>>512491229
Your Spirit is an antenna. When people sin it draws negative entities to them. When they turn away it draws God.
Try asking God to show you your heart on what to repent for and live as clean as you can. Fasting helps too. It's basically trying to live healthier spiritually so there is less interference.

>>512494051
>I truly am swine
And now I know to not cast pearls before you. Solipsism is a bitch I’m sure, but there are others in this thread reading as well.

>>512492172
your body's brain is 60% cholesterol
you (your soul) possesses the animal body
you don't store information in the avatar
your soul holds the sum of your experience

>>512491408
I personally hate reggae and hamburgers are meh. Never liked pot. It was boring.

>>512494392
>calls himself swine
Kek

>>512492375
Simon was a Canaanite (black)

Canaan was the 4th son of Ham
Ham's 4th son was cursed with blackness
because Ham castrated his father Noah to prevent Noah from having a 4th son.

>>512494737
>I don’t understand green text
Lurk moar