Thread 512504461

>cartels have tanks, drones, .50 cals, grenade launchers, military grade tech
>they shoot down helicopters like it's nothing
>whole towns and even states under their control
>could easily wipe out most countries’ armed forces in a matter of days
>everyone just vibing like it’s normal

How is this real life?

cartels are gay

>>512504461 (OP)
every government on earth is just a cartel that collects taxes.

>>512504461 (OP)
The military also has access to military grade tech

>>512504461 (OP)
They, or at least most of them, actually treat people better than the Mexican government. That's really saying something. A lot of people going missing in Mexico is from the mexican marines murdering people in mass and dumping the bodies, blaming the cartels or directly controlling them. There was a huge cover up of the student protestors who were murdered too. They also mobilized to genocide an entire region of people, but the internet went into an outrage over it, so they got more secretive about it.

>>512504461 (OP)
>>could easily wipe out most countries’ armed forces in a matter of days

The US army could wipe them all out without sending a single soldier you fucking clown

>>512504461 (OP)
>How is this real life?
US uses special forces to organize local militias to do their bidding all over the world, Mexico is no different. These ones are at least self funding. Winning all around.

>>512506922
>treat better than Mexican government

Bullshit, they just *are* the government in those places because they kill the government officials there. And the government never went around decapitating people and hanging their corpses off bridges and tunnel entrances even when they were a post colonial shithole 200 years ago

>>512506995
>The US army could wipe them all out
that would be friendly fire

>>512504461 (OP)
>could easily wipe out most countries’ armed forces in a matter of days
Homie, I'll bet Kenya's military could play patty cake on the cartel's faces. Are they scared to you and me, for fucking sure. To a real, organized military, no fucking way

>>512508792
*Scary

>>512506922
No they fucking don't you stupid NARCO loving nigger. I spend half the year in Mexico and cartels are fucking evil. Mexican government is corrupt and inept but they're not even close to the same level as the cartels.

>>512507368
This retarded narrative I only ever see from gringos and maybe 5% of Mexicans. It's so retarded and is clear they don't have family in Mexico or ever spent any time there. Cartels are a fucking cancer.

>>512508792
There's a problem though cartels don't need to wipe out a government. They aren't revolutionaries. They like seek only to make money and make sure their supply lines remain open and continue to expand. They'd rather go to war with other cartels than governments and can pay off local police, local governments etc. The goal of cartels is never to take over Mexico. That would bring heat they don't want and waste resources allowing other cartels to focus on growth while they take the heat.

Remember when they fired a misle? And US special forces was sent into the jungle to deal with these fucks...

Well anon, that is nothing, vatican jesuits pets have ben armed to the brim by stock from US Bases and Production lines directly, ccp did not even have to give them much! It's absolutely True.

>>512506922
>There was a huge cover up of the student protestors who were murdered too
They were taken by a local police force in a backwater cartel run city. In cartel cities you can expect the local police to be bought by the cartels. State police maybe 50/50. They know if they avoid doing shit that brings too much heat they can operate with impunity as they military only becomes involved when shit gets too out of hand.

When you say Mexican government I assume you mean national government not local police forces which yes are often just a part of the cartels. Cartels run a lot of police academies.

>>512509311
Actually they get most from people buying in the USA and smuggling into Mexico. They also raid mexican military bases. They can buy shit from corrupt soldiers etc. It's easily explanable without having to resort to the US military giving cartels direct weapons which is retarded. Also central americans have a lot of surplus military gear which cartels get

>>512504461 (OP)
Honestly at this point the best way to stop them would be to make them the formal government. They'll be much less effective if they also have to do gay shit like run the DMV or enforce HOA orders.

>>512504461 (OP)
>How is this real life?
Glowniggers.

>>512509081
Try driving to Mexico city, the army will just fucking murder you. There is a reason everyone flies there.

>>512504461 (OP)
I 100% believe we are going to see an Oct 7th type even but for cartels.

>>512509459
>make them the formal government
How? Which one? That would never work in 1,000,000 years because they always want more power. EVen factions within single cartels are always killing each other. Just look at Sinaloa cartel right now fighting a civil war while fighting Juarez cartel and chapitos teaming up with CJNG while Mayitos are at war with them. it's a cluster fuck

The don't even want to govern that's a waste of time for them they only want to make money and focusing on "good governance" will just allow their enemies to focus on expansion

The idea that cartels can be turned into rulers is a fantasy of gringos and foreigners. They are a cancer in Mexico.

>>512504461 (OP)
> How is this real life?
Ask the us. They created them, sell them the guns and buy their product.

>>512509580
What case are you talking about? You're far more likely to be murdered by cartels at some roadblock.

>>512509580
>There is a reason everyone flies there.
Yeah the reason is cartels not the military. I wish the military was as present as the cartels.

>>512504461 (OP)
Only right wing nutjobs think cartels are a threat

>>512504461 (OP)
The narco dollar is just as important as the petro dollar, that's why Obama armed them.

>>512504461 (OP)
>>could easily wipe out most countries’ armed forces in a matter of days
Yeah, countries in Latin America. kek

Not like that's impressive or anything.

Rednecks in just one corner of one state could wipe out all of Mexico.

Never forget it was the USA leftists/Democrats/RINOs that created and militarized the cartels with the School Of The Americas.

>>512504461 (OP)
>Shitskins doing shitskin things
Yawn, finish the wall and line it with turrets

>>512506922
>let me tell you about your country moment
you are some next level retarded

>>512509834
Kill yourself spic, can't wait for ICE to deport you so you can get cut up and put into a pizza box by the cartel

>>512510039
>crazy ranting by right wing nut
Is someone in here talking? Sorry bitch but we're here to stay.

>>512504461 (OP)
Brown retards.

>>512509660
Of course they don't want to govern, that's the point. The problem is that currently the formal government takes care of all the gay governing shit like paperwork and taxes, while the cartels get to just do awesome stuff like kill people, blow up helicopters and fuck whores they kill the next day. That's their preferred system, where they're in charge but they don't have to do anything lame or gay to stay there. They're in charge but they're not responsible for being in charge.

That only works because the formal government keeps agreeing to do it with the perennial hope that they'll get back in charge somehow even though it never happens. So they should just give up. Make like Lycurgus, if someone else wants to be in charge, just let them and fuck off somewhere else. Go away and let everyone see how bad it gets. Then when you're asked to come back, you have leverage.

>>512509947
I'll believe him over a nation of dishonest, brown, quarter jewish goblins who do nothing but lie, steal, and scam.

>>512506922
>There was a huge cover up of the student protestors who were murdered too.
by the cartels cletus. pls enroll in the next san fernando survivor contest

>>512504461 (OP)
Cartels are usles in open armed conflict.
Shooting someone in the back and torturing villagers are not skillsets that make great soldiers.
One village managed to kick them out but glowies and mexican goverment intervened.

Even the shittiest army would mop the floor with cartels.

>>512504461 (OP)
>>everyone just vibing like it’s normal
because it is normal. just because you call it a "cartel" doesnt make it any different than your own government. the current governments do EXACTLY the same thing, push drugs, deal in human traffiking, extort you for "protection" money, imprison or kill you if you dont go along with it. A government is just a monopoly on violence, cartel is no different

>>512508792
Abolish the goverment and cartles loose all power. At best they could controll few towns from where they originate and have some local support.

>>512510353
damn, and you should know about all that cause you're filled with pojeets.
But no, he's wrong

>>512510298
>they are in charge
Yea thats why they die all the time and cartel leadership is changing every 2 years not to mention the footsoldiers.

Theyare useful pupets to cia thats all.

>>512510588
We easily steamrolled the mexican military, even the marines most of the time.

bomber & fighter jet status???

cartels are proof there is no federal oversight. we should annex Mexico for humanitarian reasons

>>512504461 (OP)
>tanks
They are technicals, at best. Frankly they would be steam rolled by a couple of BCTs and SOCOM dragging leaders out of their homes.

>>512510298
Yes cartels don't want to govern. No, the federal government does not want cartels. Sometimes they are too weak to really do shit but the feds are not sitting there happy about cartels. If that was the case you wouldn't see the military taking out top cartel leaders. You wouldn't see them deployed to cities where cops are to corrupt to do shit.

>>512510678
Italibro knows what's up. Mexico went 100% ZOG last election, it's the endgame there anyway.

>>512510678
This is retarded. Abolish the government and the cartels will have total power and more recruits since it will be anarchy and they will be the only job.

>>512511250
No they didn't go 100% ZOG you retard.

>>512507465
That would be amusing, the civil war in the US gets started because Trump sends in the military into Mexico and then whole a bunch of them defect and help Mexico. So then the cartels and Mexican defectors are also using US gear to fight the US.

>>512510678
The problem isn't the government, you can pick any system you want but the real problem is Mexicans weren't bleached enough. Even with "muh democracy" and before this Jew came to power they were killing people in brutal ways. The government didn't make them do that horrific shit. Do you notice a pattern? South America they had the same barbarism of cutting out hearts and things like that before white men came. Even places like Brazil where there aren't many whites it's still law of the jungle there too where they'll chop heads and just do vigilante stuff. There is corruption in the Italian government right, so why aren't you going around casually chopping people's heads off? It's the new arrivals like that nigger that do stuff like chop up your women and just leave them in suitcases.

Same shit in Africa. "oh the government is just corrupt" - who is in the government? A bunch of dumb niggers that don't just line their pockets but they have no clue how to govern and no matter what system you put in place, niggers will still be niggers and kill and steal.

>>512506644
This. SPBP.

>>512506922
The people who run the Mexican government and the cartels are probably almost the same.
If the government were serious about doing something about these armed cartels, all it would take is to bring in howitzers, mortars, and aerial reconnaissance.
Even if the cartel is made up of former special forces soldiers, all it would take is explosives and shrapnel to blow them to smithereens.
The fact that such blatant militias can even form in the first place is a sign that something is seriously wrong in Mexico.

>>512506644
Checked. Kill tax collectors.

>>512511792
> Jewish nepobaby woman whose mafia daddy had people executed from politics and chased out of mexico during her election run to make sure she gets the spot.
Yeah you might be onto something, that family right there is the big time Cartel in Mexico. The president's family is the head of said Cartel. They don't wear their cartel on their sleeve like these pawns do, no, they keep it cosa nostra style.

>>512504461 (OP)
Mexico is a failed state. How does it even get this bad? Did they allow it to happen?

>>512504461 (OP)
Aren't they just stealing or buying it from their military?
It's insane anyone thinks they could buy anything other than .50 cals from US companies.

>>512509928
poor kids

>>512504461 (OP)
Give me one or two brigades with a loose ROE, I'll easily kill all of them, its about the corruption and really nothing else, these people aren't soldiers, you drive around in a convoy like that you're begging to be killed, whatever the mexican grunts are called they could easily kill all of those guys, the only obstacle are their own corrupt leaders on a payroll

>>512504461 (OP)
pls tell me more about that famous mexican cartel airforce, navy, tank divisions and long distance missile units. those guys are glorified third world para military with slightly better equipment and training, not saying they won't wreck havoc if a couple of hundreds of those guys "invade" your town in bumfuck nowhere BUT every major military would mob the floor with those guys from so far away you wouldn't even call it actual combat

>>512504461 (OP)
Honestly at this point they're not a cartel so much as they're a government. When you have that level of weapons, infantry, political influence, control of institutions, structure, etc, you're a state now. The Mexican state is either a fake veneer like Lebanon's "official" government, but they're either in on it or too buck broken to do anything.
Let's just end all pretenses and accept the new reality. The Mexican cartel is the Mexican government.

The US military branches regularly gets spics to join bc they can't get actual Americans to do so and they just relay all the training and info to the cartels

>>512512076
>these people aren't soldiers
id be surprised if cartels didnt have groups that are on or above special forces level.
i also think you're delusional if you think otherwise.

>>512510729
>t. lying cartel member
Nobody can trust anything you say as a corrupt Mexican shitskin, ergo we listen to others tell you about your country.

>>512512289
Ofcourse they do but how many? 20-40 or even 60 maybe? What can a special forces regiment do when they receive indirect fire? Exactly the same as all conventional units, special forces simply means highly trained light infantry, thats not enough if you have heavy infantry, it doesn't matter if you are in delta force and I drop a tank on your ass or indirect fire with arty, the same stuff still applies, you can train for 100 years and still take the same damage as an average grunt would take

>>512512176
There's only two gun store in all of Mexico while they have tight gun control. It's not a surprise cartels are able to terrorize and kill so many.

>>512504461 (OP)
I don't think they group up like that since the glownigger drone strikes started.

>>512512638
>gun control
>gun stores
>pick one

>>512504461 (OP)
Those are raddle can ammo f150s. That looks like a shitshow.

>>512511959
Mexican Freedom guaranteed by the Mexican constitution and corruption where criminals roam free, is not a failed state.
Those Cartel fags are just some abusive fucks, it looks bad internationally how FAR they got shitting on their own country. But then again, nobody asked for your faggot opinion. which is the only thing you can do and power you have.

Everybody in this thread can fuck off. They kill indios, aren't you a bunch of racists?

you raise them a bigger cartel or army and waste them all, but the problem is far from over.

none of you queers have a solution, its too adult of a problem for you.

>>512512673
Yes, the US has hundreds of millions of guns, yet has strict gun control in many states.
Mexico has 12.9 guns per 100 people, Germany, France, Sweden, and Australia have higher per capita count.

>>512504461 (OP)
Our rich jew overlords need to keep the rent low south of the border (not nc/sc border) for cheap labor. look up who the cartels bank with. Its all so fake and gay

>>512512462
Oh yeah, i'm a cartel member on the CIA payroll, AMA

>>512512557
guerilla warfare.
due to practically infinite money they also have practically infinite human resource.
pair that with 40 really really capable people.
thats actually a scary threat.

like on a enclosed battlefield of course they cant match an actual army. but in reality the damage they could and would deal to whoever attacks them is too big

>>512511348
>be cartel
>goverment abolished
>send your siccarios to take a village
> 200 villagers that know terain shoot at you
>no cops to help
>horrible reputation for torturing poeple
>get killed imediately together with your family because every retard knows who you are
> be open target for any poor adventurer and his cousins because of flashy cars gold etc.

>>512504461 (OP)
We sold it to them

>>512511613
>There is corruption in the Italian government right, so why aren't you going around casually chopping people's heads off?
Because goverment and mafia brainwash most poeple to obey the law. Thats the only reason. i could killl 100ds of corrupt fuckers that allow migrant boats here but It would be of no use. We are passified by totalitarian state.
I do agree there is somethimg wrong with aztecs when it comes to torture. Spanish should have killed more.

>>512513481
the US military could take them, but it would take a huge change in the geopolitical landscape for that to be a possibility, and we would need to move in on behalf of a genuinely populist mexican government.
other neighbors would need to help too, to build bonds between nations down there. allies, because its not just mexico's problem.

>>512507368
Mexican government used to pay 100 pesos per Indian scalp…

>>512513583
More like the villagers don't have any job or security so they are extorted even harder and are treated like peasants in cartel fiefdoms. You're acting like cartels are lowly street gangs.

>>512514543
During katrina who got more fucked up. Gang members or average poeple?
Cartel is literally a loose aliance of street gangs.

>>512513583
>>512514543
More like,
>Send your siccarios to take a village
>They just walk in and take it, zero resistance
>Now all the village's problems are their problems
>If someone murders someone, they have to figure out what to do to restore the peace
>If the plumbing quits working in part of the village and nobody can afford to fix it, they have to get that fixed
>The siccarios start fucking local girls and getting them pregnant, now they don't want to go on missions anymore
How long are they going to stay high-T warrior-addicts making money and smashing pussy if those are their problems?

>>512504461 (OP)
Funded by your drug habits and tax money. Trained by your best (((friends))) in the CIA. Now Hiring!

>>512514709
>During katrina
Kek katrina was blown so out of proportion and it was average people who got fucked up more than the gangs.
>Cartel is literally a loose aliance of street gangs.
Show me street gangs that make 50 billion a year.

>>512514825
More like
>Send sicarios to a village
>They resist and die or do nothing
>VIllage's problems are your problems
>Kill any problem
>Recruit the teen boys and rape the girls
>extort farmers/business owners like you already do anyway.

>>512511212
Of course the feds don't like the cartels, which is why it's retarded that they keep working so hard to keep their narco state functioning so the cartels can keep doing fun stuff. The first step to helping yourself is to quit helping your enemies.

>>512512638
Even if they had guns (which I think they could get if they wanted to), an organized, a "well-regulated militia" would be blown away by 155mm shells flying in from 30km(19 gaymile) away. The reason heavily armed cartels survive in a semi-functional country like Mexico with a regular army is because they are in cahoots with the government. It's all a show.
And while small arms are certainly better than nothing, they basically serve no useful purpose against such organized violence.
They just turn everyone into overconfident, isolated individuals with guns, just like in muttmerica.
If you were placed under the cartel's overt direct control, you'd lose your balls after witnessing primitive torture and executions following sporadic resistance from the residents. The mutts clinging to mhu guns have often no idea why they don't do shit.
>>512513481
The problem is that highly capable people rarely die just for money. Human resources willing to take such risks are limited. It is nearly impossible to completely eliminate them, but it is possible to weaken them.
If the Mexican government had regarded them as rebels and seriously attempted to suppress the rebellion, they would have been worn down, and at least on the surface, the local anarchy, where people were beheaded and their hearts were removed on a daily basis, would have been resolved.
The government has not even bothered to properly implement large-scale military mobilization, regional sieges and blockades, mountain searches, or sweep operations, let alone strengthen border control or cut off the funding sources of malicious cartels. They probably don't have the motivation.
They are not even entering a wartime regime, but merely imitating a fake and gay GWOT bullshit.

>>512514967
>If you kill yourself, you win!

>>512504461 (OP)
Jews that’s how
(((CIA))) runs all the world wide drug cartels

>>512514962
How do you extort people who don't have a functioning government to ensure they can keep making money? If you want to extort Jose the Agave Farmer, he has to be able to sell his product so he can turn around and pay you, which is now also your problem. So you have to go fight someone to establish a safe trade route. Fighting is really hard and expensive so you work out some kind of truce. Work out enough truces and you're a boring government.

What you're fighting me on and swearing is impossible is how every civilization on the planet developed. Every society that made it was created by violent nomads conquering farmers and then getting subsumed by them over the following generations. It's like water running downhill. It's not only possible, it happens every time.

>>512515084
Not a reply, apply yourself.

>>512515197
>How do you extort people who don't have a functioning government to ensure they can keep making money?
Are you retarded? You tell them to keep growing Avocados or die. You think all commerce will stop? USA has no issue doing normal commerce with gangsters just look at coco.

>Work out enough truces
Never going to happen. Cartels don't look for truces, at least not ones they can keep. Chapitos are siding with CJNG nobody could have imagined that a few years ago. But of course that's tenuous and will only last until one can backstab the other. There can't be a truce between cartels and themselves let alone the government.

>Work out enough truces and you're a boring government.
Cartels are not a government. Them ruling would be worse than DPRK on steroids.

> Every society that made it was created by violent nomads conquering farmers and then getting subsumed by them over the following generations.
Yeah and I don't want subhuman cartels ruling me I want a liberal democratic government like we've had for periods. Mexico sort of got fucked by our colonial administration, ourselves, and a bit of bad luck. But I'm not going to throw away liberalism for "Muh cartel state". Cartels kill with impunity with no due process and do so in the most brutal ways. There's no government it's a brutal corporation with an armed wing.

>>512515197
It's a proper reply. It's like saying "OMG we're in debt time to abolish the government" it doesn't actually solve any problem

>>512506922
You can take the Aztec out of the ritual sacrificing temples....

>>512504461 (OP)
Spics are worse thank kikes, chinks, niggers and jeets combined.

>>512504461 (OP)
probably next big conflict for USA once (and if) ww3 fails to ignite. They will lose, but it will be a bloodbath. Mostly for cartels and local populations.

The violence perpetrated by cartels serves a purpose, and it is not necessarily a warning to their enemies.
Rather, it is to establish authority over other members of their organization and peasants in their areas of control, compelling them to voluntarily obey those in power. Eventually, people will comply with their orders out of fear of violence, without the need to point guns at them one by one.
Therefore, there is a certain inevitability and rationality to their public display of torture videos and mutilated corpses.
And this is not unique to Mexico, throughout history, in any country or region, those who have targeted kings or chieftains have often faced similar fates.
Modern governments generally do not mimic the cartels' executions, as they are too blatant, overt, costly, and unstable in their effects, revealing the location of power and shattering the peasants' illusions of freedom. These are generally used as emergency measures by those in power to quickly gain or restore authority when no other means are available.
However, their essence remains unchanged. All governments and ruling classes simply encrypt this purpose, utilize the media as propaganda, weave it into public education and sophisticated bureaucratic structures, and often employ religious authority or external academic authority to make it more subtle and less obvious. And the essence of peasants who now willingly and voluntarily comply with it has not changed either.

>>512504461 (OP)
we could take em out with cardboard drones, bushmasters and abowaffen. when we figure out how to make rockets you're all farked