atheism isn't real, it isn't a thing, it's gobbledygook.
Identifying as an atheist is merely a consequence of being a victim of globohomo pop culture.
Secularism is real, and a consequence of globohomo consumerism.

ok

>>512538894
That's not a consequence of being a Christian but not being a Christian, secularism to be specific. Because liberalism is exclusively secular.
Not all atheists are fags but all fags are atheists.
Same thing with the whole catholic priest pedophile meme which is the most forced faggiest meme ever.

>>512538704 (OP)
Atheism is just Nihilism with a fedora.

>>512539114
>Real Christianity has never been tried before

>>512539266
Real Christianity has been laid out in the Bible, read Acts. As if the Standard isn't defined.

>>512539388
Also 17s or just America when it was founded, Masonry kind of gets in the way but Masonry back then was different.

>>512539388
>Real Christianity has been laid out in the Bible

>>512538704 (OP)
>atheism isn't real, it isn't a thing
As long as there is theism then there will be atheism

>>512539388
>Real Christianity
Which Brand?

>>512538704 (OP)
as opposed to the old jewish trilogy written by jews?

>>512540490
Yes, there will always be contrarianism but atheists don't even have the galls to be proper contrarians, ending up in gobbledygook like lacktheism, I'm trying to think of an example but there, sadly, there just isn't one.
Honestly, they would have had my respect cause I'm kind of a misotheist.
But faggo is as faggo does.

>>512540699
>Yes, there will always be contrarianism
That's not atheism.

>>512540699
>I'm trying to think
Careful. You might hurt yourself
>>512540699
>But faggo is as faggo does.
This anon speaks from experience

>>512540816
I know you, der faggot.

>>512540816
>>atheists don't even have the galls to be proper contrarians
>>Yes, there will always be contrarianism
>That's not atheism.
Aren't you just proving my point?

>>512541144
>confirms he's a faggot
Lol
>>512541286
>Aren't you just proving my point?
Not really. I have a reason to argue. Contrarians argue to argue. Which is more you than me

>>512541834
Are you a pantheist btw? I never quite got that, or a solipsist? Your definitions are very loose.

>>512542419
Inconsequential even.

>>512538704 (OP)
>>512539114
>>512539195

>>512542419
>Your definitions are very loose
Not really.

>>512542768
If that were true you wouldn't keep making threads about how atheist libe rent free in your head

>>512538704 (OP)
>christcucks demonstrate their nigger-tier understanding of object permanence

Atheism requires an equal amount of faith as theism. You can't prove either of them.

>>512538704 (OP)
No? Atheism is baseline, nobody is born believing in some random sand person myth.

>>512543216
>Atheism requires an equal amount of faith as theism
Nope

>>512543262
Exactly. Atheism is the default position. We are all born an atheist

>>512543277
Yeah, actually it does if you study even a little bit of philosophy.

>>512543330
If atheism is the default position then why is it not the default position?

>>512543262
Nobody is born believing God doesn't exist though.

>>512543412
Nope. My lack of belief can change to belief if I'm convinced enough

>>512543443
It is when you are born.

>>512543455
Everyone is born with a lack of belief in God or gods

>>512543565
>is when you are born.
Source?

>>512543565
So what made you convinced that God doesn't exist?

>>512543646
Demonstrate a baby born with knowledge of God or gods.

You won't be able to because it doesn't happen

>>512543689
For starters, people like you

>>512543565
Do you think a baby can live on its own? Humans store information externally with a group and pass it on. It literally can't live without that. All babies don't talk either. They also don't wipe their assholes after shitting. They don't know how to do anything.

>>512543455
Nobody knows what the concept of "God" is either, until they're 3-5 yrs old, when someone from their family tells that "there exists this magic sky daddy who is very powerful..."

I have never met an intelligent atheist. They're always tryhard posers who think declaring themselves atheist automatically makes them smarter.

>>512543833
>Do you think a baby can live on its own?
Of course not. Do you?
>>512543833
>Humans store information externally with a group and pass it on
Exactly. They are taught religion and depending on where they are born, will determine what religion or God they believe in

>>512543833
>They don't know
Exactly. So by default, they are atheist

>>512539266
>real memes have never been made by me before

>>512543825
Curiosity and intelligent design says otherwise.

>>512543596
prove it

>>512538704 (OP)
Kind of. I see a lot of people on both sides of this confusing atheism with anti-theism. Just because someone is an atheist, doesn't mean they are anti-theists. Atheism is a lack of belief, while anti-theism is an active opposition. Take Schopenhauer, for example. He was an atheist, but he understood the need for popular metaphysics, even if was communicated through crude religious myths and dogma.

We can take it a step further.

Anti-metaphysical (again, not a-metaphysical) science is fundamentally jewish. Jews always had the greatest propensity to accept a mechanical-materialistic interpretation of the world, precisely because their way of worshiping God has nothing to do with true religion. Just as they were the most fervent advocates of Darwinism and the ridiculous theory of descent from apes, they also almost created the economic interpretation of history, which more than any other completely excludes spirit.

>>512538704 (OP)
I don't get the point of this image. The image isn't moving it's completely stationary on my screen. Are atheists asserting that someone else's experience is invalid because their brain tricks them into thinking movement in general isn't real? Do atheists not believe in physics? Memory is unreliable, it's not hard to gaslight people.

>>512543978
Not really. They're nothing more than your personal feelings and opinions

>>512544027
See
>>512543936
>Exactly. They are taught religion and depending on where they are born, will determine what religion or God they believe in

>>512544106
prove it

>>512544033
>Just because someone is an atheist, doesn't mean they are anti-theists.
They usually are though because they're low IQ edgy boys trying to get a rise out of an easy target. They will NEVER mock judaism or islam even though all their criticisms of Christianity extend to those Abrahamic religions as well.
They're pussies, that's all.

>>512543936
Atheist means you know definitely for sure there is no God. That is not the same as believing in nothing. You have a fixed worldview drawn out of potential.

>>512544155
See
>>512543825
>Demonstrate a baby born with knowledge of God or gods

>>512544207
That's just arrogance. They don't actually know, they think they know which isn't the same thing.

>>512544207
>Atheist means you know definitely for sure there is no God
Still a lack of belief. There are agnostic and gnostic atheist. Agnostic and gnostic are branches in both theism and atheism.

>>512543978
Stop posting your gay Kira Twitter fanpage, christcuck

>>512544311
That has the presupposition that you can understand either way

>>512544311
Agnosticism is not really a thing either but that's a whole different subject, but atheist often use agnosticism as a cop out.
Do you lack the belief that God either exists or doesn't?

>>512544332
I'm L.

>>512544222
Humans are born without understanding reproduction. I think this implies sex is unnatural. Humans are born without understanding death. I think this implies dying is unnatural. Humans are born without understanding existence and consciousness. I think this implies both are unnatural.

>>512544416
Again
>>512544311
>There are agnostic and gnostic atheist. Agnostic and gnostic are branches in both theism and atheism.

>>512544425
>Agnosticism is not really a thing either
It is
>>512544425
>Do you lack the belief that God either exists or doesn't?
This doesn't make sense. You know that already

>>512544559
>Humans are born without understanding
Exactly. Hence why atheism is the default position until taught otherwise

>>512538704 (OP)
All monotheism is rooted in jewish schizophrenia.

I'll believe in God when God tells me to. That seems fair. It's not that I lack belief in God as much as lack belief in the retards who keep pushing their made up Gods on me. I mean what the fuck. If God is working through his believers he needs to work a lot harder.

>>512543443
Belief in God is the default position in society for the same reason speaking a language is the default position. We teach it to our children, they are not born with it.

>>512543455
Atheism isn't a belief that God doesn't exist, it's a lack of belief that he does. Everyone is born without a concept of God one way or the other. If you don't know of something you obviously can't believe it, and since the absence of belief is all atheism really is this makes atheism the default position.

>>512538704 (OP)
Yeah. Congratulations, you've evolved.

>>512544561
The fact that you can even get in an argument about what we don't know makes me want to kill myself. I have been having a really bad existential crisis lately. I don't know what's real anymore.

>>512544163
Can you even name any christians who have been killed for criticizing islam in Europe? Plenty of atheists have. Hell these days you have atheists like Dawkins paying lip service to christianity because it's so tolerant of feminism and faggots, unlike islam.

>>512544694
Bingo
>>512544729
This anon gets it

>>512544729
Wrong. Belief in God is an instinct, similar to how a baby knows to suck on the mother's nipple to get food. Atheism is taught.

>>512544808
Damn dude. Log off and go for a walk. I bet you'll feel better

>>512544670
Monotheism as opposed to the trinity is a laughably simplistic concept which is restricted to a childish binary notion of reality which makes perfect sense of sandniggers to believe.

>>512544163
That's been my observation as well. A better paradigm, imo, is laid out in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 16.

>The Divine Nature
Fearlessness, purification of one's existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.

>The Demoniac Nature
Those who are demoniac say that this world is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust. Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world. They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, by lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification. Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell. Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demon becomes envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in his own body and in the bodies of others, and blasphemes against the real religion.

Here's my ultimate position or argument to clear up any delusional atheistic cope.

>>512544827
>believing in God is instinctual
Yea the instinct is fear of not existing after death

>>512545047
God has put eternity in the hearts of men.
Fear of God is essential.

>>512538704 (OP)
I'm an atheist and I think gays are fucking annoying. I wish they'd just shut up about being gay and just be gay, but they always make gayness their entire identity. It's not like straight people embed being straight into every conversation they have.

Atheism got a big boost once we went to space and nobody was there and when we went underground and nobody was there and people started coming up with other explanations for where heaven and hell are. That's from a Western perspective anyway. Other religions died once the people were educated.

>>512539114
Why does the vatican own the biggest gay bath house in europe?

>>512545182
You are a sheltered brat, thinking you can co-op intellectual circles with your sheer numbers, nothing more.

>>512545025
>knowlege is a belief
>that can't be wrong
Wow what a contradiction and false premise

Kek. Right off the bat you fail

>>512538704 (OP)
it's real enough to kill over 100 millon people in the last century alone
atheism has a higher death toll than all other religions combined throughout history, including the Aztecs

>>512545302
>projection
Kek

>>512545125
Fearing God is christless Jew babble to turn Christians into golems. What's there to be afraid of? Jesus died to save you and God loves you unconditionally.

>>512538704 (OP)
It actually validates the existence of God as without him no opposition would be required

>>512545209
Catholicism is always a bad example, it's a compromise between paganism and Christianity.
There's also the whole branch of Santeria and Freemasonry.
https://x.com/JackStr42679640/status/1893850139216789526

>>512544893
The trinity is an invention of those very same sandniggers, and it's just monotheism with extra steps, designed for poisoning and swindling superstitious non-sandniggers.

Hell, not only babies but even animals rely on God as for their very being.
There are practically no atheists in nature.

>>512544827
You could be right, but sucking your mother's nipple only works when you're an infant. Maybe the sense of a higher power existing only works while you're dependant on your parents to survive, some sort of mechanism to speed up the transfer of survival skills from parent to child perhaps.

>>512545681
Demonstrate a baby being born with the knowledge of God or gods, and then your favorite one

>>512544827
>Belief in God is an instinct
Nah, that's tribalism

>>512544163
>They will NEVER mock judaism or islam even though all their criticisms of Christianity extend to those Abrahamic religions as well.
>They're pussies, that's all.
>>512545009
These morons just need to look at their flag

>>512545774
A baby sucking on his mother's tits rely on nature being continuously uniform.

>>512545916
>A baby sucking on his mother's tits
A lot of babies don't or have very hard times learning to breast feed.

>>512546122
I can allow you get the last word in I guess.

>>512546313
What this means is you can't refute me.

>>512543216
Everyone has an infinite number of faiths. You have faith in a-unicornism. You don't believe in the invisible unicornism that stands behind you but you can't prove he does not exist.

>>512545400
>What's there to be afraid of?
Take a look around at what happens to people who reject God. There's lots of examples.

>>512546773
>people who reject God
Notice how everything on the right is in Christian dominant places?

>>512547024
Formerly Christian dominant places. All that stuff is a result of our straying from God.

>>512547555
>Formerly Christian dominant places
Not really. Despite the decline, it's still the dominant religion

>>512538704 (OP)
if god is all knowing does that mean he knows what it feels like to take a dick in the ass ?

>>512548720
https://boards.4chan.org/r/eddit

>>512547742
Only in rural areas where that degenerate shit doesn't exist.

>>512548720
>>512548932
OP sure does

You mistake the atheist’s rejection of your feeble gods for servitude to the market’s glitter. The atheist is no victim - they’ve simply outgrown the nursery tales you clutch like a frightened child. Secularism, consumerism - these are the herd’s new idols, not the atheist’s chains. You, who grovel before tradition’s altar, are the true slave, blinded by the mob’s noise. The Übermensch scorns your whining and your gods alike - cast them off or cower in their shadow, it matters not to the abyss.

>>512545370
south korea is not a very religious country

>>512549242
The athiest is just as dishonest and weak as the theist both pretend to know with certainty the nature of reality truly laughable retards the only honest view is agnosticism anything else is just beliefs and feelings and therefore fake and therefore gay. You just slid out of a utures what could you possibly know

>>512549014
Incorrect

>>512543978
But I thought you guys believed atheists go to hell.

>>512549026
I believe I asked a simple question : if god is all knowing does that mean he knows what it feels like to take a dick in the ass ?

>>512550237
Seems that would be if they were all knowing

>>512550402
I mean if God is a faggot it will definitely turn a lot of these "woke people" back to the religion, wouldn't it ?

>In heaven there is no atheists to harass.

>>512551036
Kek maybe
>>512551388
Don't worry, you're not going

>>512539592
So men born with genital dysfunction, men who have been castrated and men who don't want to fuck. What were you trying to argue?

>>512542822
>Deuteronomy
Overwritten by NT

>>512554422
Not really

>>512538704 (OP)
>Nothing can be known without an infallible source

False from the first premise. One can know through experience. If you want to quibble with the concept of "knowing" that can just be sidestepped easily by noticing that one does not need to know anything for certain to still act and make changes in the world. There's obviously no God or Gods. Although believing in one is probably beneficial for many. There are many false beliefs that are advantageous.

>>512554856
Are you infallible?

>>512555262
>You're opinions are cool
Thanks bro

>>512555385
Don't mention it.

>>512545916
>>512546122
>I saw some piglets suckling their dead mother.
>After a short while they shuddered and went away.
>They had sensed that she could no longer see them and that she wasn’t *like* them anymore.
>What they loved in their mother wasn’t her body, but whatever it was that made her body live.

>>512557958
>has many leather bound books
>home that smells of rich mahogany

>>512555262
Obviously not and that doesn't seem to have anything to do with my argument, but please go on.

>>512559258
Well it's nonsense to say that you know something but you could be wrong.

Wake up in Hell after dying.

>>512559648
>>512559648
I already addressed that.

>If you want to quibble with the concept of "knowing" that can just be sidestepped easily by noticing that one does not need to know anything for certain to still act and make changes in the world.

You have never seen God. I have seen God.

Reality is perception.

In conclusion. Your lack of awareness is not my problem.

Death is just a state of sleep. You will always wake up.

I rebuke the jew

Nothingness after death is a cope. If you perceive nothingness for eternity, that's hell.

>>512538704 (OP)
>your argument isn't convincing
Wow, such gobbledygook.

>>512550092
Atheists believe there is nothing after death. They are right. But only for them. Perception isn't universal.

They will see Nothingness for Eternity, and they are right.

Perception is realrity. They will wake up, and see nothing. Alone. In the dark. Eternal.

Living is all about perception, and senses. Without the 5 senses. What will you have?

>>512539388
>Real communism has been laid out in the collected works of Marx and Engels. Read Das Kapital. As if the Standard isn't defined.

The God of Hell will not allow you to die.

Death is seen as bad on Earth. Not so in Hell.

>>512549789
The atheist does not claim to know anything. He just rejects that which is clearly made up nonsense. There are an infinite number of random fictions you could invent and claim to be real. Should we be writing down every schizophrenics ramblings and give them serious consideration?

>>512561222
Am I wrong to state that you will die?

>>512559959
You technically could argue that, but the sinple issue is that it's just not true.
We know that the universe exists, or that nature will continue to be uniform, or that there aren't flying spaghetti monsters, ad infinitum, God makes me know.
If you're asking the process, I don't know.
So it's often unnecessary and not entertained like any other obvious falsehoods, like paganism. Which is how it died. And Islam. Unless circumstances.
That is to say, atheists always choose the most horrific examples to make their point. Which ends up in irony.

Things we already know.

>>512560516
But they aren't even talking to you or showing any interest in your convictions.

>>512542822
The passage is literally God warning the Jews that he will do this to them if they don't follow His commandments.
What do you think happened after that? They didn't follow his commandments, and everything listed happened to them, and they were set astray for centuries without a nation.
lmfao.
Centuries later, jews are wondering just how they can get back at the goyim, the Japhetites, and hm, oh why don't we just go down the list of shit we got cursed with for being filthy child eating kikes?

Well it's gotten dull, let's sing shall we?

>>512561583
>>512561583
>We know that the universe exists, or that nature will continue to be uniform, or that there aren't flying spaghetti monsters, ad infinitum, God makes me know.

Ok so you just accept these as axioms. You have no reason to do that especially because nature is very much not uniform and you cannot prove a negative.

>If you're asking the process, I don't know.
So we agree, atheism is the default position. You just decided on some axioms that make you feel better, but actually they were just given to you by your parents.

>So it's often unnecessary and not entertained like any other obvious falsehoods, like paganism.

Lol, just don't think about the hard parts and it's easy!

>>512564327
>So we agree, atheism is the default position.
Non-sequitur.
What's that about axioms anyways?
Knowledge is an actual truth. I don't deal in pseudo mumbo jumbo.

>>512538704 (OP)
believing anything other then national socialism makes you a globohomo

>>512539114
>Same thing with the whole catholic priest pedophile meme which is the most forced faggiest meme ever.

Was waiting for that. Hello cathcuck. It must be difficult for you to rep right-wing politics after…
>going to Africa
>demanding Africans not use condoms
>advocating for mass African migration

Or how about shielding Mexican immigrants in Catholic Churches so the cops can’t get to them.

Or how about all the gay tolerance quotes from the last pope? New one is his bro.

>>512564514
What is "actual truth"?

Axioms are a priori BELIEFS that you accept as true, even though you don't know they are true. All reasoning requires the acceptance of axioms as starting points. Your axiomatic beliefs lead you to reason that God is real. I say your axioms are dumb and you have no reason to hold them as true and if any of your axioms can be proven wrong, your conclusions are wrong.

>>512565044
Actual truths as opposed to logical truths like 2+2=4 just means reality.
What axioms are you accusing me of holding onto anyways?

>>512543330
no were definately not, when were small we have an unsurpassed love and joy of the natural world, its growing up in a jew run shithole that kicks that joy right out of you.. it like subjecting yourselves to many beatings with people who have adopted the mantle of the jew and they fucking hate nature and everything it is, which is pure unfathomed wonder at existence.

tldr: fuck what jews created in this world

>>512565470
>What axioms?
All the things you've claimed to know.

>We know that the universe exists
No you don't, all you know is that you exist. Your senses are not infallible, your thinking is not infallible, you can be fooled. You could be fooled about everything you think is in existence.

>nature will continue to be uniform
You could mean a lot of different things by "nature is uniform". But the plain reading of the phrase is obviously untrue since we can differentiate between things in the universe.

>there aren't flying spaghetti monsters, ad infinitum
Prove it. Have you, we, explored the entire universe and are we monitoring all of it all the time? No? Then you can't be certain.

>>512539114
>it wasn't real christianity

>>512566393
>You can't know something without it being true.
>I know flying sphagetti monsters don't exist.
>Flying sphagetti monsters don't exist.
What's the catch?
I have been trying to understand what you're trying to get at and as I predicted it's just vehement denial.
I don't blame you though, there really isn't much else you could do anyways, with the burden of opinion and all.

>>512566688
>You can't know something without it being true.
What are you talking about? Billions of people believe they know things and those things are not true. This is a nonsense statement.

You just believe these things, you don't know anything at all except that you exist. Everything else you "know" are just beliefs you maybe have good reasons to believe, but cannot be 100% certain of. The best confidence anyone can ever have about a fact or knowledge that it's "almost certainly true".

>>512567530
Wouldn't you also have to entertain the possibility that you are the only thing in existence and eternal?

>>512554330

Nothing in good faith. They never do.

>>512567963
That's a possibility that should be considered and has been by philosophers like Descartes in his Meditations. I think it's unlikely.

>>512538704 (OP)

>>512568466
>>512567963

I should clarify
Descartes considers the possibility of solipsism in Meditations 1 and 2. He tries to refute it and accepts God in meditations 3 by arguing that his clear and distinct idea of a perfect God must have a cause outside himself, and this leads him to affirm the existence of something beyond his own mind. The intervention of God, whom Descartes claims is not a great deceiver.