Thread 512541318

Have you noticed the uptick of propaganda against growing your own food "for climate change"?
By doing it yourself you massively reduce the carbon footprint of your produce, but they hate it. Why? THEY DON'T PROFIT.

Your wellbeing will always be tertiary to them.

>>512541318 (OP)
Most of mine failed this year :( half burned, half in mold lmao, crazy weather here this year

>>512543166
Night shades are a crap shoot. Some years you get huge crops, others almost nothing.

>>512544710
I had one (1) fucking strawberry. Mad as fuck. My neighbour said I should use bird poop

>>512541318 (OP)
mulberries are criminally underrated
the new propaganda is that "trees cause global warming" now. their science is so jewed adn fake they dont know which way is up anymore i'm afraid. as usual, ignore the noise and win

its the jews

>>512541318 (OP)
>Have you noticed the uptick of propaganda against growing your own food "for climate change"?
No, because that's bullshit you made up to be fake-angry at while you make another thread talking about how spend all your time in the kitchen like a woman.

>>512541318 (OP)
best thing about mulberry trees, you buy one and can perpetually clone new ones very easily without even using rooting compound
mine feed all the wild birds and still give us more than we can eat

>>512544937
you're a jeet arent you

>>512544843
>the new propaganda is that "trees cause global warming" now.
who the fuck are you quoting you hysterical retard

go bake another pie with your husband

>>512544998
You wish.
Show us the very real news articles that you're mad at for telling you that growing faggot berries is bad for climate change.

>>512544937
>>512545002
>shitbots broken again

>>512545002
jeet confirmed

>>512545107
>making jam is political and triggers the libshits

brother you would fit right in at the local farmer's market next door to the free yoga sessions and vegan ice cream

>>512545113
Go ahead and post the news articles you're quoting

>>512545204
unironically

>>512545104
you're a retarded faggot and i shouldnt even give (((you))) a (you)
https://www.stalbertgazette.com/local-news/study-says-backyard-gardens-not-as-green-as-they-appear-8180118
https://www.thewellnessway.com/study-claims-growing-your-own-food-may-be-worse-for-the-environment/
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240322-the-most-climate-friendly-vegetables-to-grow-in-your-garden
here's like 3. everyone on this site knows how to research btw you retarded jeet

>>512544798
Rabbit poop is better

I don't even know what a cardboard footprint is.

>>512544937
I haven’t seen an uptick but there was definitely a wave of “home gardens have 5x the carbon footprint as conventional farms” because of one study. Might be true but shouldn’t dissuade anyone from gardening.

I bought my house in 2019 and the next year I tore everything up and planted almost entirely edible plants and trees. Most people in my neighborhood have shitty yards, some have nice ornamentals, but mine now stands apart and I get compliments all the time. I planted for food but also aesthetics and it took a few years but I’m really happy with where it’s at now.

It’s a great hobby and I love coming home from work and harvesting, pruning, weeding and so forth. My kids get to learn a lot and like harvesting and eating the food too. I don’t spray anything besides dish soap for aphids and I know what goes into the soil. It’s a win-win.

>>512545312
Extremely hard to obtain here >>512544843
I love mulberries and I am growing two but they are still baby. I bought land with this tho we call them jażyny

>>512545237
here's yet another you faggot
https://www.yahoo.com/news/carbon-footprint-homegrown-food-five-200247599.html
every name behind the "science" is a kike btw

>>512545464
There's no such thing as carbon footprint. Fake jewish concept. Like "marital rape"

>>512545529
Those are blackberries not mulberries. Mulberries are trees not vines.

youtu.be/FZC-6Ii_7b0

>>512545529
It's easy if you raise rabbits.
Another option is wool. The short fibers that aren't good for spinning/felting make great fertilizer, especially if you include all the vegetable matter that gets embedded in it.

>>512541318 (OP)
mulberries can't be really stored for long unless frozen or dried. I prefer cultivating nut trees

>>512545529
looks more like thornless blackberry? i have a few species of mulberries, none of their leaves are like that

>>512544843
They taste great but the trees can get 80 feet tall which can make them very difficult to harvest

>>512541318 (OP)
Good timing, the local lolis were just outside in my yard picking berries from my white trash thornbush forest front yard

>>512545730
let them get huge, the top feeds the birds, the bottom feeds us. ez. plus you're missing out on multiplying them if you let it get over 12 ft tall

>>512541318 (OP)
People aren't smart enough to grow their own food and don't have the space to grow enough to feed themselves consistently.

>>512545285
>here's like 3.
That's three news articles all talking about the one (1) study which apparently was funded in part by the agricultural industry.

and all that one (1) study talks about is how urban farming, in cities, has more of an impact than rural farming. That's true of literally everything in cities vs rural areas, there's more heat there's more pollution there's more industry, etc.


OP lives out on a fuckin farm in Quebec. he's not growing three cucumbers in some montreal back alley.
and nowhere does it say that "trees cause global warming" holy shit

>>512545529
>>512545589
Yeah, different fruit. Blackberries are in the rubus family. Mulberries are related to osage orange (yuck) and che fruit (YUM).

>>512545807
growing any little bit you can might be the difference between starving and living, or getting proper nutrients and not. also, it's good for you to get out and work on your yard purposefully rather than mowing a boomer lawn and blaming oil/coal for killing off the bees

>>512541318 (OP)
(((THEY))) DON'T PROFIT or Gain power from it.

>>512545807
It’s not about “100% self sufficiency or you’re wasting your time” we’re talking about home gardens that supplement your diet and give you a hobby that allows you to learn, become more aware and derive enjoyment without consoomerism.

>>512545861
you're a complete faggot and i'm not responding to your plebbit spacing poop-covered typing anymore. burn in hell, jeet

>>512545550
barely worth a reply since it's still the same singular study I already addressed in the other post but here's a (You) anyways

>>512545958
>derive enjoyment without consoomerism.
are we supposed to just steal the gardening supplies and equipment and seeds?

>>512545861
Not on a farm, but in an agricultural area. I grow what I can in the space I have.

>>512545982
big balls calling me a reddit faggot jeet when he's clacking around the kitchen in high heels and an apron baking a pie for his husband - you know, to trigger the libs!

>>512546084
>in an agricultural area.
Exactly so the very thing you were pretending to be mad at (urban farming isn't efficient) doesn't even apply to you.

>>512546059
American need to forget during COVID-19 we made it illegal for them to buy food seeds and that's a good thing?

>>512546059
There’s a world of difference between buying a few tools that will last years and the odd seed/plant versus consoomer-based entertainment. You know this but you’re just trying to be a pedantic contrarian and shit up this thread. You ain’t right and definitely ain’t white so that’s my last reply to you.

>>512546059
Growing from seed is very cheap

>>512541318 (OP)
Nothing beats a home grown Canadian banana.

>>512546059
mulberries can be grown from grafts, just find a tree in autumn and take some branches off

>>512546289
>if you can’t grow all your food you’ve failed so don’t try

What a weird false dichotomy. Same with people criticizing prepping for emergencies by coming up with any and every extreme circumstance to rationalize why preparation is worthless.

>>512546289
There is actually a guy in Toronto growing blue java bananas. You just need a greenhouse.

>>512545285
>>512545550
>https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240322-the-most-climate-friendly-vegetables-to-grow-in-your-garden
I like how the BBC article actually dismantles the study.

Need some other ragebait to justify why growing cherry tomatoes is somehow political

>>512546303
i've taken to some guerilla gardening too, grafted all the crepe myrtles with pomegranates within a mile of me i think

Oh plz protect me from the food seeds my loving government.

I might put on the phone and have a thought out side of kikebook.

>>512541318 (OP)
They’re absolutely controlling the weather to make self sustaining growth not feasible

>>512545785
There were some huge ones I used to go pick with my girlfriend in a park but you'd have to jump to get the few branches that were low enough to grab. Could have got more with a ladder. Was fun but these trees definitely have birds in mind for their fruits

Oh plz protect me from the food seeds my loving government.

I might put *down, the phone and have a thought out side of kikebook.

>>512546499
Grow the largest variety of plants possible. Something will grow.

>>512545529
>>512544798
>>512543166
Look into electroculture
https://youtu.be/gPyRwvw0gUs

>>512546540
yeah you could basically chop one down, take home some sticks, plant them where you want them, then perpetually multiply. feels like minecraft irl

>>512546247
>during COVID-19 we made it illegal for them to buy food seeds
what?

>>512546272
It's almost as if this thread isn't political at all

>>512546283
>>512546303
You still need to buy some things, you're not gonna dig a hole in the ground with your bare hands and water is with your spit. Saying that gardening is somehow anti-consumerist is a very very very wide stretch.

>>512546540
You’d have to prune them annually to keep them from growing too tall. I had one once and it was like a weed it was amazing how fast and large it grew as well as the number of fruit..

>>512541318 (OP)
Been growing my own food for decades. Ignore propaganda

>>512546644
You can literally get the tools you need at the dollar store, you fucking baby.

>>512546667
yeah i get fruit year round off all of mine, and i keep multiplying them. they want to grow and give you fruit so bad it's amazing

>>512546719
>the dollar store
yup, support China's growth. That'll slow down climate change.

Don't bother with charity shop or garage sales.

pajeets are absolutely ruining the internet.

>>512546303
>>512546628
So what you just stick it into the ground? Teach me, fuckers

>>512541318 (OP)
>By doing it yourself you massively reduce the carbon footprint of your produce,

As someone who grows about 50% of what I eat, I can confidently say that this is 100% bullshit. There is seriously no competing with commercial farms on efficiency. 1 farmer with 1 giant tractor is 1000x more efficient than 10 farmers with 10 straight piped junkers. The scale alone is incredible. A commercial farmer could feed 100x the amount of people a homestead could.

The problem is the same as it is everywhere. Kikes. Kikes manipulate the markets by throwing away food. Kikes pay eachother to not grow food in the first place. They manipulate the markets and conspire to keep prices high and production low.

>>512546944
They are like a weed see: https://dingdongsgarden.com/blogs/news/propagating-mulberry-trees-by-rooting-cuttings

>>512541318 (OP)
I’m in the south, fruit and nut trees fucking everywhere. Most people have no idea and just look at them as a problem while mowing.

>>512545529
Use horseshit

>>512546944
checked u got it m8
make a cutting about 8-12 inches long, make sure it has some woody outside to it, strip the leaves off, stick it down in the ground far as it will go, you want like 3 nodes underground and 3 above ground. water it every day and it will grow. let me see if someones made a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXIWPZ79HNA

>>512546865
I knew you were going to move the goal post again.
There's always second hand, but you are just a total defeatist incapable of doing anything anymore because you decided you can't and you would rather ruin the rest of your life than admit you were wrong about yourself and everyone else.

>>512546415
You can do it, but it's more efficient to grow it in a place like Equator.

>>512547046
You don't need to mow clovers

>>512547142
If you grow bananas in a place like Canada, you are isolated enough you could grow Gros Michel or some other vulnerable variety.

>>512547169
based i encourage clover growth. i think it looks like a natural carpet. bees like it too

>>512547125
Hey man you're the one trying to pass off your gardening hobby as something political and using this board as your blog.

I came here to get mad at politics, not to argue if blueberries are better than strawberries in a fruit tart.

You're the one coming up with weird clickbait headlines for your blogposts and not even sure which side of the political spectrum you're on.

There's a whole entire board dedicated to cooking.
>>>/ck/

>>512546575
Interesting, anon
>>512547096
Lmao

Btw look at this porzeczki, they are like a pest, growing crazy here but I have no idea what to do with them, very sour

Anyone ITT with experience for first ever wine from scratch please post some tips, at least my grapes looks good / promising, I want my own wine so hard bros

>>512547290
>porzeczki
you can make stuff out of them. they also multiply super easy

>>512547169
No but North Americans like their grass lawns and boomers aren’t going to change. I have two small lawns, one is ground thyme the other microclover (which I mow to keep the leaves smaller). The clover is nice but after a few years it is showing it doesn’t handle compaction as well as grass and I’ll probably have to reseed some spots next year. I also weed the thyme and clover a bit to keep it looking more like a monoculture which entertains my boomer neighbour who thinks it’s funny that I pull grass from my clover lawn while he does the opposite.

The pollinators love the thyme and clover. My urban yards are oases for insects and birds.

>>512547409
extremely based

>>512547453
My girl just put them into a sponge cake but it’s so much we freeze part. We both prefer the black ones tho

>>512547527
>We both prefer the black ones.
Anon..I..

>>512547285
Food is absolutely political.
Shortages thereof were a major contributing factor to the start and outcome of WW2.

>>512543166
Mulch with lawn clippings or cut weeds. Your flag shows Poland, so try scything to get good grass. You can either lay down the dead weeds/grass directly on the ground by your crops, or you can cut it up and put it in buckets with water. Let it decompose in the water for a couple days then you can pour out the water on the plants. It's like a natural fertilizer.

>>512546499
>>512547290
You can also create pic related to destroy chemtrails and clear up the sky. The original inventor who made the orgonite cloud buster and discovered orgone energy, Wilhelm Reich, had all of his research destroyed by the government and was thrown in jail. Right before he was supposed to get released he died of a heart attack. I've also heard shungite gets rid of chemtrails too
https://forum.orgones.co.uk/t/the-orgonite-cloudbuster-or-chembuster-construction-details-and-observations/4529

just grow chestnuts, a mature tree can yield up to 40kg of edible, delicious nuts. if you pick blight resistance varieties then it's almost zero maintenance. assuming that you're not living in the middle of a desert

>>512547290
Red gooseberry? Or are those just really big currants?
Either way, make jam and use that in something like a cheesecake.

>>512547597
yeah and hitler was rejected from art school

you don't see me starting up an art thread on /pol/

>>512547290
Red currants are great and as anon said super easy to propagate you can just cut off a stick and put it in the ground or a pot with peat moss and it’ll root in no time.

People usually make jellies with them but I don’t eat refined sugar so I eat them plain or with some yogurt. I have lots so I also blend them with other berries and fruit, use a food mill to remove seeds and then dehydrate them to make fruit leather (I freeze a lot and my family eats it throughout the year). They add a nice sour taste to fruit leather. I also juice them and freeze that in cubes and add them to sparkling water.

>>512547607
The grass I cut from my yard? I have shitton of this
Actually never thought about it
I’m retarded
It’s my first year owning a land in my defence

>>512547695
Currants; extremely sour

>>512547686
Did you know money tree makes edible nuts? Most people just grow it indoors as an ornamental.

>>512544798
Batpoop

>>512547751
Grass is a good mulch for retaining moisture and keeping down weeds and eventually it’ll decompose and release nitrogen.

>>512547686
Walnut is a good one for further north stuff as well. American walnut if you can, White if you can't. Less yield on the latter, but they're pretty good still. Just takes 10-15 years before they start.

>>512547724
What the fuck is fruit leather

>>512547751
Everyone starts at zero, anon. I strongly encourage you to keep it up. There's a satisfaction I cannot describe from harvesting your own food. It's worth every ounce of effort.

>>512544798
You’re supposed to compost it first, retard. You’re dousing them in nitrogen.

>>512547782
I have a red currant that is doing amazingly well. Like I said: CHEEEEEEEESECAAAAAAAKE

>>512545958
Most people are literally too dumb to grow food. Look at the retarda in this thread saying to throw shit on your plants without composting it first.

>>512541318 (OP)
>"for climate change"?
Anon the entire reason for their climate hoax is actually so that we limit the CO2 that PLANTS USE FOR PHOTOSYNTHESIS. We are actually in a CO2 drought or something, iirc what I read. So it's not that our wellbeing is "tertiary" to them. It's that our destruction is primary to them.

>>512547838
Look it up there must be an equivalent in Poland. People call them fruit roll ups too because of a brand of sugary ones.

Blend up practically any fruit, you can bring it to a simmer and add honey if you want, add a bit of lemon juice, spread on a tray and dehydrate. You’ll be left with a pliable sheet of dried fruit material and it’s a great snack and stores very well. I remove seeds because once I made it with wild blackberries and red currants and it turned into a tasty yet practically inedible seedy sheet.

>>512547838
You make essentially a jam and then dehydrate it in a sheet pan until it's like edible leather. 10/10 will net you a wife it's so tasty.

>>512547751
deep mulching also helps keep your soil warmer in the winter unironically. composting creates heat. you feed the worms, fungus, etc in the soil and it feeds your plants. i like to do chop n drop, so weeds are a blessing in disguise

>>512547096
This, made them with a 3/4 compost and 1/4 horseshit mix in 10 liter pots on the balcony

>>512545285
tbf sources on topics should be posted by OP. It's not out of line to request this

>>512547838
Liquify fruits, like strawberries. Ladle onto trays and dehydrate. You are left with a sheet of chewey fruit leather. Roll it up into a tube and store it or consoom.

.

>>512548030
Real talk.

>>512548066
There's also hugelkultur where you make artificial hills from buried logs. They slowly decompose, turning into soil, and the heat of decomposition on top of the micro climate of a south facing hill allows plants to more easily survive cold winters. You can make entire mazes of them like fruit walls to act as wind breaks.

>>512547820
I have 3 large white walnuts and 4 more younger ones this year they bear plenty of nuts, almost none last year (biennial bearing), also 7 large chestnuts but blight that attacks the trunk sucks as they are not resistant hybrid varieties. I'll try dousing them with copper-sulphate+ soil mixture after harvest to try curing them

>>512541318 (OP)
i fucking love mulberries

>>512548115
I was asking for confirmation. If I post the links, I'm altering the replies I get.

>>512541318 (OP)
Growing food at small scale is super inefficient.

>>512548115
obviously an operative, here proving our point that shills hate backyard gardens and actively discourage it. a disingenuous request by him when he could search engine "govt says dont grow your own food"
there are multiple articles about how keeping backyard chickens is soooo dangerous, how growing your own fruit is bad for the environment, etc. doesnt take a rocket scientist

>>512548283
Show me a commercial producer of thimble berries

>>512541318 (OP)
nature is bad for you because it is filled with microplastics, processed food is healthier

>>512544913
passing something down to the next generation, even if its knowledge of hating jews... is a human trait, and kikes want a monopoly on feeling human for only theirselves because they're not human, they're subhuman

>>512548218
Very nice. Sorry to hear about the chestnuts, I've had fungal issues with my apple trees and know that feel. Sometimes it's just a bad year for it and they'll fight it off. Pain in the ass to fix though if they can't. Usually involves an axe.

yes goyim believe that israel is the only place god ever gave to "humans" and not so fast goyim by human that means chosen people so only us that have israel and a land to pass down to other chosen people

Shills going into overdrive trying to paint growing food as a nazi thing when they were actually really bad at that and invaded all their neighbours to steal their food instead.

Strawberries right now, planted 2 month ago. Use 1/4 of horseshit in the soil, berries, tomatoes go wild on it. Will have fresh strawberries in autumn

why cant you goys be just like those native american goys and give everything away to us jews

>>512548124
You would need big expensive dehydration mashine

>>512541318 (OP)
That is correct.

>>512548907
Why are flowers pink? Mine were always white

>>512541318 (OP)
why dont elementary schools have fruit trees and berry bushes?
They have soccer fields and basketball courts...

>>512548971
You mean an oven?
Set it to the lowest temp and you're fine.

>>512548971
A good commercial one is less than $200. They're actually not bad. You can always make one as well if you want to go really cheap.

>>512547751
Consider getting a scythe too. It's like running a long razorblade along the ground, and cuts down the weeds and unwanted grasses in a fashion that renders them much more usable than a powered lawn mower which basically "blends" the grass and weeds, making them harder to collect and making them decompose faster. You want the longer grasses/weeds because it creates more of a "long-game" decomposition process. It releases the nitrogen back into the soil much more slowly and over a longer period of time. It also retains moisture much longer.

That being said, if you are going the fertilizer route -- rake up your lawn clippings from a powered mower and put them in buckets. Shorter clippings decompose and break down faster, and the water should look like a nice brown or dark green color and smell like decomposition when it's ready to pour over your plants.

Free fertilizer, provided by nature.

>>512549027
They won't allow nuts because allergen, but fruits, veggies and herbs would be great things to plant there. Chives are beautiful plants, IMO.

>>512549101
are you talking about compost tea? :DDD based

>>512549027
Basketball Americans. You answered your own question.

>>512548903
you're like a woman with 12 followers on tik tok talking about how she ahs thousands of haters

>>512548314
>there are multiple articles about how keeping backyard chickens is soooo dangerous,
yeah, some municipal bylaw because people don't want chicken shit in their own yard when they live asses to elbows to their next door neighbor. You ladies are acting as if it's federal orders that's making gardening illegal.
>how growing your own fruit is bad for the environment, etc. doesnt take a rocket scientist
unrelated to the government, and the famously right-wing conservative libertarian news agency the BBC debunked that study.

>>512548283
STFU roach, my neighbour had whole field for his family and he’s not fucking around

>>512547290
Sour berries usually indicates pectin!
Great for setting things, which is why they're used in jellies.
Until you start thinking about how to preserve food without refrigeration, the ideas of jellies and jams seem like luxury toast slime. But get enough pectin into a fructose base and you can set it hard. Boiling for longer times helps to reduce bitterness

>>512549100
It’s not about the price fren, it’s about a space. I have small wooden house, only 70 meters of space . We are comfy as fuck with my lady but we do our best to not clutter this

>>512549245
Propaganda isn't necessarily from government. You are adding qualifiers nobody else was using in an effort to keep pushing the goal post ever further. It's pathetic behaviour I could only expect from the kind of miserable creature that dislikes agriculture.

>>512548907
why not just cut the fruit and veggie middleman out of it and eat the nutrient rich shit instead?

>>512549142
all the schools were sprayed with cancer causing chemicals
the soil is now fucked

>>512544843
>mulberries are criminally underrated
Yes. And they're not a bush. And unfortunately don't last long when fully ripe. And anyone claiming trees cause global climate change should add "for the betterment of all". The evil enemies want control over food and everyone should fight against every attempt to infringe on our GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO GROW OUR OWN FOOD.
Guillotine for any and all politicians that try and take away citizens right to grow food.

>>512549412
>Propaganda isn't necessarily from government
all propaganda comes from the Catholic Church, Jerusalem, and Mecca

>>512541318 (OP)
You're noticing, aren't you? You notice how all these eco-nazis say we must sacrifice X Y & Z to save the planet and recommend all these "solutions" and then you come to find out either they or their buddies already have industries set up not too long ago ready to offer these "solutions"?

Like you said, any actions you can do that doesn't involve making them money is "contributing to climte change" but buying EVs (huge evironmental impact) is good for climate change because it makes them money.

Climate change stops when you make jews money/power!!!

>>512549428
I’ll save my shit to feed glowniggers like you. It’s more than you deserve.

>>512549406
Yeah, then just use the oven. The nice thing about fruit leather is that you destroy all the cell walls and cook out most of the water first, so it dehydrates quickly.

>>512549403
What in really interested in is preserving food for long term, yes, but I was thinking about meat. Seems risky tho

>>512549406
You can always use your oven as well like the other anon said. I smoke everything and use that shed as a dehydrator. Being cramped does suck though, the less shit inside the better.

>>512549412
>agriculture.
This thread is supposed to be about gardening, not agriculture.

A minute ago you were talking about how agriculture bad because the government or whoever doesn't want you to grow your own food you can only get it from Big Agri

>>512541318 (OP)
I frickin love mulberries

>>512549001
Dunno, got them on sale and they have pink flowers

>>512549224
they may be stupid but at least they get to keep africa by selling theirselves to the kikes, unlike the native american goy that couldnt comprehend anything trying to own something that god created... like the world

>>512541318 (OP)
No, I don't pay attention to what anyone else says. Here's what I harvested so far:
beans
peppers
zucc
cukes
strawberries
tomatoes
coming soon will be carrots and corn
melons are a bit late but hopefully at the end of the month

>>512549452
based
>>512549412
dont even reply to that (you) farming jeet, bro. he's a completely disingenuous faggot who has no idea what he's doing. just look at his home country. what do indians grow? not shit. billions of starving retards living in shanties with trashed soil covered in human shit. fuck all of that guys opinions and anyone like him

any tips for growing micro greens indoor in a small space with artificial lighting?

>>512547409
My uncle used to have 20 acres of grapes. He still has an acre of zins that are almost 100 years old, but nobody farms them.

My honest advice to not reinvent the wheel. This knowledge hasn't changed very much in 100 years. Sure there are some new and exciting things happening, but the basics are still there. The best way to learn is to just show up to the fields and ask to help. Explain to them what you are doing and offer to help in exchange for knowledge. Farmers will tell you everything as long as you are willing to work a bit. If the work is too hard at first don't feel bad. It can take a few months for your body to get into farming shape. Just keep coming back. They won't hold it against you and will respect you for trying. Soon enough you will be walking 30 rows a day no problem.

>>512549553
Growing food in your garden is agriculture. Now you're trying to create distinctions where there are none. This is what happens when you try to defend an indefensible position.

>>512545464
>home gardens have 5x the carbon footprint as conventional farms
That is so untrue one would have to be a moronic fembrain to believe it. Like the cunt who argued that it's "actually less expensive" to house a murderer for 20 years then put a bullet in her. Fembrains read verbose retarded arguments from their lord god government and will obey and agree with it no matter how obviously idiotic.

I like growing fruits because they are tasty and natures candy :)

>>512548594
tradition
it is called tradition
the jooos are the problem.

>>512547409
>remove stalks if you want to
>press juice
>strain juice into clean fermentation vessel through sieve to remove icky pulp
>measure SG if you want to, but don't if you don't care
>add sulfite asap
>wait 24h
>add cultured yeast if you want a proper product and not to roll the dice
EC-1118 is very popular around these parts.
>admire airlock activity
>wait for a long time
Safe to assume now it's fermented dry. You can test this by taste or by measuring sg, which should read 1.000
Now you can bottle it. You have an option to go bottle-fermented sparkling (inquire for more information) or just still table wine. Add a teeny-tiny amount of sulfite into bottle if you choose still wine.
If you bottle it too soon then you're gonna be popping corks in your attic. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. Literally calm your tits and put a condom over the airlock.
Now you wait even longer. It can get better with time and if all else fails, take it to grandpa and he'll put it in his still.

>>512549683
About wine making I have two basic questions
- do I need to peel off the grapes ? Someone told me they need to be skinless
- do I need to use ((special)) yeast or regular yeast for bread like Caputo company is also ok?

>>512549661
Sheet pans. Start one, wait a few days, start the second, wait a few days, start the third... time it so the day after you harvest one you prep the replacement for it. Constant turnover.

>>512549661
Stuff them up your ass

>>512549027
why?
here's why.
jooos, jooos are the problem

>>512549209
compost tea is different
much more involved and drawn out process

>>512550000
>>512549900
checked
nice, very nice

>>512549858
No. In fact, people who make ciders and meads often dump raisins into their brew as nutrients for the yeast

>>512549495
expert noticer!
it's the experts!
the problems are caused by jooos
that's it
it's the jooos!

>>512549713
The very first thing you and the other guy claimed was about how big agriculture and the government was trying to take small gardening away

someone growing a couple of tomato plants on his balcony is not doing agriculture

also still waiting on that study about how trees cause global warming, apparently.

>>512545550
The only reason to fund such a study would be to try and justify shutting down growing your own food. The people behind all attempts to thwart citizens growing their own food deserve guillotines.

The reason grapes are famous for wine is that the skins are naturally covered in yeast, so they are basically a self contained wine kit.

>>512549514
you trust the science, that's your biggest mistake. Start eating shit and set yourself free.

Virgin slop peddler

>>512546644
>>512546865
>You’re a consoooomer because you had to buy like $30 worth of tools and supplies to start your garden in exchange for a massive boost in self-sufficiency and cost savings down the line
You are an actual shill. Just kys

>>512545631
I recently heard from a wool producer that wool is being used for fertilizer too. I don't get it.

>>512541318 (OP)
>>512543166
Wind storm knocked most of mine out a few months ago. They go great with pancakes.

>>512550346
It works really well.

>>512549832
Thanks a lot anon, I needed to google sulfite etc as I am beginner. What are the chances I will kill / blind myself/poison if something goes wrong lol

>>512549495
yep
same with the plandemic coronascamdemic
cohenincidentally the vax was ready in isreal in no time, eh!
teh pure luck vaxxine
sooo joooish!

>>512545647
fresh, correct. they make some great jams if you can can them.

>>512550475
Don't distill and you should be fine. There are many resources on brewing. It can be as easy as baking yeast in a bottle of apple juice with a balloon on top.

>>512545730
The weird thing is they'll thrive in both cold wet climates and hot dry climates too.

>>512541318 (OP)
>you massively reduce the carbon footprint
Carbon is good. Throw scraps onto a pile and form a massive heap of compost.

>>512550578
It's also food for silk worms.

>>512550346
Wool, hairs, is the same stuff like nails and hoofs, shredded pig hoofs and chicken feathers are sold here as fertilizer, plants like it when it decomposes

>>512550225
the people behind?
these?

>>512550645
Sea shells are also good.

>>512545807
>how doo stick seed in durt
stfu

>>512550709
Americans all sprout seeds in elementary school, right?

>>512550610
CO2 is O2 but for plants, the more the better they grow and the more O2 they will produce. That's elementry school level

I'm at the point where I am starting to believe these people are actually scared of plants

>>512550852
Scared of nature / natural order (God), here, fixed.

>>512545861
Yet you're missing the point, which is hyperbolic headlines to justify shutting down urban growing, which would be a guillotine offense. Go back to plebbit where you can pretend to be smart with the other verbose idiots.

>>512550690
use your local stuff
leaves, grass, cow-, horse-, whatever manure, get woodchips from treeservice companies
build compost piles
wait
win!
no jooo can clip the compost edges!
all successful gardening is based on compost
i have a test plot where i let things grow as they want/can
you should see this!
the grass/herbs/weeds/plants are 6' tall. no watering, fertilizing, ahem, weeding.
whatever powers that, i want to copy for my veggies

remember: the problem is the jooos
always and everywhere

grow you own food, build contacts with local like minded men/farmers and you are set
read this:

https://archive.org/stream/TheSHTFAnthologySelco/The%20SHTF%20Anthology%20-%20Selco_djvu.txt

small, high trust, White, agricultural areas are the areas you want to be to make it!
cut out the jooo of as many transactions with your fellow man as you can. barter!

>>512546644
>Uhm actually, you bought some seeds and a shovel. Saying you’re not a consumer is a very very very wide stretch
How do you not hear how full of shit you are? Do you think anyone is impressed by your sophistry?

>>512550475
You can blind yourself if a cork pops out into your eye.
I know Poland has a lot of homebrew equipment. Most of our stuff comes from Poland.
Don't skip out on quality yeast. It doesn't cost that much compared to all the effort you'll be putting into it, especially in the beginning when you might lose interest after the first disappointment

>>512550852
yep, they are mentally ill
nothing new!

>>512546289
>How can you have any mulberries if ya dunt have your bananas!!!
Just fuck way off, pigfelcher.

>>512551241
I agree on getting good yeast, but even bread yeast hobo hooch is better than nothing.
When buying yeast, you may see the terms "top" or "bottom" yeast. It doesn't refer to which position you prefer in your gay sex, but rather whether the yeast colony will live in your brew. Top yeast floats, bottom doesn't. I'd like to try mixing the two and seeing how that goes.

>>512546483
They deserve severe punishment for that

>>512551451
He doesn't have cloudberries, so it's clearly impossible to grow food there.

>>512551241
Yes it’s true a lot of boomers here is brewing nonchalantly, from wine to our moonshine (bimber) but I am not blessed with extended family and heard some horror stories lol. Equipment I will buy like Picrel, sets are sold on our allegro (pl eBay)

>>512551549
>>512551549
What is the actual difference between yeasts? I know dry and fresh but other than that? Why is special “wine” yeast different?

>>512551722
Yeasts, like everything else we culture, has become specialized. They can survive higher ABV concentrations than wild yeast and were selected for flavor. Hypothetically, you could have genetically altered yeast that produces B12 or something in your drink, turning it red.

>>512541318 (OP)
>Have you noticed the uptick of propaganda against growing your own food "for climate change"?
Honestly, no.
Are they really pushing this over there?

>>512552016
Yeah. WEF doesn't like gardens.

>>512548104
Yeah its good but you need to tone that shit down a little bit. Sometimes we use human feces too but you need to let that shit get little bit milder and wait couple of years to plant stuff in that soil.

>>512551902
But, theoretically, using regular bread yeast should also create wine, right?

>>512552057
They hatte any form of self sufficiency and independance, therefore demonizing it
And the more ridiclious it gets the more they expose themself

>>512541318 (OP)
It’s part of the plan to make anything that allows you to be self sufficient illegal. Jews hate self sufficiency because self sufficiency means you are not part of their system in which they can extract value from you

>>512548916
Boil in piss

>>512552114
Theres stuff for toilets only, and theres plant eating mammal shit like horse or goat, yes, wait about 2 month before applying it.

>>512552057
Believable, but for some reason it's not a thing here.
Quite the opposite actually, there's a shitload of articles every spring on how to grow things on your yard or balcony

>>512541318 (OP)
i fucking love mulberries

>>512541318 (OP)
In the UK the goverment are going after allotments now so they can build empty houses lol

>>512545573
This. Carbon is part of a normal cycle called the carbon cycle. The Jews go after everything that has no affect on the environment while turning a blind eye to everything that is actually destructive to environment like the flooding of our lands with millions of shitskins

>>512552287
I'm mostly making these in the hopes that it saves a few lives in the upcoming famines, but the comedy is a nice side benefit.

>>512552155
With the best of the best yeast you will max out around 18% ABV. With others they will die off before you get there. Hitting 10% should be easy even with suboptimal yeast as long as you have the right sugar/water ratio. Too much will kill the yeast.

>>512549858
>do I need to peel off the grapes ? Someone told me they need to be skinless
lol, well it depends. you dont have to peel them manually if thats what youre saying, thatd be ridiculous and kinda funny, but after you're done harvesting them you have to crush them to start their fermentation.
remove the stalk and whatever leaves fell in, of course
red wines benefit from starting fermentation with the skin and all, when they stop and get cold you can crush them again and filter them, while whites usually need to have everything removed right after the first crushing.
>do I need to use ((special)) yeast or regular yeast for bread like Caputo company is also ok?
the special yeasts work much better of course because they're engineered for the purpose, but it is still yeast...
if you're in doubt, ask your local farmers for tips, maybe in exchange for some honest work. after all, harvest IS in a month or so!
and unlike what some might have you believe, most of the work to get a good wine happens in the cellar, the field is just maintenance work.

>>512550475
>What are the chances I will kill / blind myself/poison if something goes wrong
decently slim unless you fuck up by throwing sugar into finished wine (absolutely do NOT do this unless you really like poison)
unlike moonshine, basically all the juice you can get from the grapes is valuable. if you fuck up there are methods to correct course but the most likely bad end is accidentally letting it complete fermentation and become vinegar. not harmful, but also not what you want. it'll be great on salad though, and a viable option if what you get doesnt end up well! it's incredibly easy to turn wine into vinegar.

by the way, if you haven't, don't skimp out on plant maintenance. the chemicals are far worse for human health than what you can use in wine but they help a ton against parasites. they might even be required for infestations and certain disease, especially those carried by pic related! be sure to check.

>>512552901
>cant upload files in incognito mode
whatever, just google Scaphoideus Titanus, you'll get it.

I've planted a nettle (can't explain why) and it was doing fine but now picrel started happening to its leaves. Any ideas what it can be?

>>512552637
Aaand this is the answer I needed as an alcoholic. Thanks bro

Btw, if you leave the grapes on the vine long enough for them to frost, you get what's called "ice wine" which is highly prized.

>>512553079
those are normal. they're the spikes that give you the itch on contact nettles are known for.

Shieeeeeet, I should make an ice wine vinegar

>>512553279
lol no I mean the new leaves growing deformed

>>512553436
You mean the tiny ones that are still sprouting? Probably fine

>>512547751
You're humble and you're learning you will be fine anon.

>>512553079
Can’t you find them in forest nearby, Ivan? They grow everywhere here

moneymaxing.

>>512553654
Aren't they pollinated by bats? That's fucking cool, imo.

>>512553654
Wait, thought that was a money tree, not a smoke tree, nvm

https://youtu.be/IK4W927nKGc?feature=shared

It's a cool looking plant

>>512553519
no, I mean this <
>>512553631
As I said, I can't explain why. I can tell you they smell nice though.

>>512554013
you can make some great risotto with nettles, give it a try someday

>>512554013
>this <
I'm a retard

>>512554013
Speaking of smelling good, ever had a citronella geranium? It's heavenly. Every time you walk past it you want to rub your hands on it.

>>512554167
I figured something munched it

>>512554225
>citronella geranium
nah it's indoors in a pot, there's nothing (or should be nothing) in here and all the previous leaves were pristine. It is also happening on offshoots as well, so I'm suspecting it's something with the soil because I haven't changed anything I'm doing (which is just watering and sprinkling it).

>>512554620
ok I think I'm having a fucking stroke with those quotes

>>512548139
What's the trick with BER, tomatobros? Last year I did romas in a pot (first time ever with tomatos) and generally got good results. This year, essentially 100% BER on my one plant. The whole plant seems lost at this point. Every other plant in the garden is doing great, mostly peppers. Only real difference is that it's quite hot this year. I need some smart gardening anon to tomatopill me

>>512554773
Tomatoes are mutants and have trouble holding themselves up even when "healthy".

>>512554773
Whats BER? I have them under a transparent roof, otherwise they get blackrot, water everyday and very good soil for the pots

I grew up around a mulberry tree and I loved it so much. The people who own the house now had it chopped down. I was as sad as I would be if a person died

>>512555025
I planted three semi-ready tomatoes and all I’ve got was some 2-3 flowers then it died dried, even tho I was watering heavily. It’s the worst year for everything I planted since I remember, I had better results on a fucking commieblock balcony, even a melon grew once there, now im in the village with land and all goes to shit for some reason

>>512555485
Blossom end rot. That might be the same as the blackrot you mentioned. I've been watering every other day, which is what I did last year, and is more than enough for peppers. Plant just doesn't seem to give a fuck though - it's never droopy, gets 6 hours or so of sun, but not too much more. I see mentions of calcium, but this is using a mostly fresh pot of Miracle Gro.

>>512555647
the mulberry tree only needs three years before it looks like a tree again and bears fruit
and unless they chopped it down properly there should be dozens of suckers in the ground coming back every year that they are probably mowing and weedwhacking

>>512555714
I blame HAARP weather

why isnt there a plant general in /pol that is politically incorrect of course. Like poppy seeds being a schedule I drug. Dont ban me jannies I just got unbanned for an extensive ban. Everything is related to this thread and board.

>>512555748
No Idea, like 1 in 20 tomatoes developes that too here, but not more

>>512555772
They completely removed it. It's probably gonna be awhile before I have property that I can plant one in. Apartments suck

>>512555772
I planted an apple tree and a peach tree in my grandmas back yard a few years ago, the peach one bore fruit this year. The seethe from my grandma about it is insane, every other week she’s asking me to get rid of them, saying they’ll damage the plumbing and this and that despite being 20ft away from the line. Any time I get any kind of animal or pet, I keep chickens now too, she cries and says I hope you don’t get more. It doesn’t make any sense. This dumb whore boomer left my grandad over him balding and spurted out 1 kid, my teenage mom she shouted abuse at endlessly and threw pots and pans at. She’s 72, I help her and her brother with things, he’s a couple years older, I’m the only person in the family that extends much care towards them, I don’t expect I’ll get anything from it either, they hardly manage to accumulate or maintain much, but it’s so jarring and depressing, they’re constantly depressed and stressed out too but it’s self inflicted. I pray I don’t end up miserable when I’m old like they are, as screwed up as the world continues to get, I pray I can build some kind of sanctuary independent of it without being shat on or institutionalized by all the systems in place.

rando bump

>>512557656
Bambi goes Internet

>>512556653
>they’re constantly depressed and stressed out too

About what, the fuck? What deadlines you have to meet at age 72? What’s wrong with people, serve them some weed lmao let them chill out

>>512556653
As per the trees I kinda understand, I have apple tree I don’t like much, the apples are rotting below and you need to pick them one by one and your back hurts, they are also shitty bitter apples but the tree is shielding my house from wind so I keep it

its been unusually cool this summer where i live, last year we had 100f this year it hasn't gone to 100f at all and with summer ending soon it wont. starting to think the global cooling of the 70s is the real thing lmao

>>512552901
Thanks Mario

>>512547042
They aren't like a "weed" at all and not as easy to propagate as you might think.

>>512547695
Currents like he said but sweet and sour and very healthy for you.

>>512547707
>wut
>whoosh
Leaf is dum

>>512547724
Based

>>512547751
Another (You) for this based comment and reiterating grass as exceptionally great mulch.

>>512541318 (OP)
that fruit taste like shit, good only for Silkworms

>>512547782
Water heavily and wait for big plump extremely ripe and the sweetness develops enough to overwhelm the sour. As opposed to picking them early and barely watering them where it's the opposite. Patience and extra water, anon, try it.

>>512547807
Based anon comment.

>>512541318 (OP)
>Have you noticed the uptick of propaganda against growing your own food "for climate change"
No, you're just making shit up.

>>512548030
Based anon comment and high speed blender like Vitamix will blend it smooth seeds and all.

>>512541318 (OP)
Honestly my garden has done wonders this year. My figs, tomatoes, shishito peppers, cherries, blueberries, blackberries, bok choy, thyme, and oregano did well. My raspberries, roses, and grapes have struggled and I'm 90% solid it's because of lantern flies. Watering, sunlight, and fertilizer has been all pretty good this year.

>>512551623
>sklep

>>512547998
Sure seems that way. To the point of being hard to doubt their evil intent.

>>512541318 (OP)
No I really haven't. Can you show us what you're talking about?

>>512541318 (OP)
They wanna poison you with glyphosate and disgusting ingredients that humiliate you, and force you to eat that and nothing else because they want you to be a slave and feel like a slave and treat them as the masters of the world.

>>512547998
True.
CO2 levels are only a quarter of what they should be for optimal plant growth.
If they reached that optimal level, there wouldn't be any measurable increase of global average temperatures directly caused by the CO2, but the reforestation which would naturally occur could stretch as far as the core of the Sahara and the Outback deserts, which WILL reduce the global average temperature since the averages there are so hot.

>>512547998
Well said, what causes a C02 drought or large fluctuations in the levels, and how could it be fixed?
More humans or animals (to exhale C02)?
Burn more stuff?
There has to be a natural cycle for this but id imagine its difficult to find out, buried beneath globohomo propaganda

>>512548212
Yes, yet in cold climates with south sun I believe the use large boulders around the north side to absorb then radiate heat.

>>512541318 (OP)
I love those!
and gooseberries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morus_(plant)

Rate my tomatoes. Bottled water for reference, I don't actually drink the stuff.

>>512548283
WTF is wrong with you that you could be so wrong. You're either an invader or migrant supporter, or just haven't actually thought about it enough because you're lazy and stupid.

>>512564113
you gonna fry them green ones and put gilbert grape as a sacrifice to the train? it's what leo d wants

>>512564393
You can fry the green ones? Woah bro. Fucking game changer.

>>512549001
>>512549593
Some cultivars have pink flowers. You both caught my attention because I used to not know that either until I grew some. They're very pretty.

>>512548971
Cheaply found used. I have an Excalibur. A friend of mine that sells his dried fruits built a sunbox and dries for free in large quantity via sunshine.

>>512549027
Every late spring and early fall the playground used to have a day or two where wild bee swarming would occur. Now that everyone's paranoid about their hypochondria we never see wild swarms anymore. Stop hiring females and browns.

>>512549044
That can work of course yet it does destroy the enzymes.

>>512564093
We call them agrest, I have 5 little trees, my fav are red ones, a bit sweeter
Funny they are never on the markets/ stores, but most people I know love them

>>512544843
I had some mulberries in Michigan just last week and those fuckers were amazing. Also their blue berries fresh at the farm were better than anything I've ever had. I'm going to over night their blueberries instead of buying them at the store.
Bought 5 pds for 25 bucks.

>>512549101
>it creates more of a "long-game" decomposition process
Thanks, that makes sense and I like that idea.

>>512564545
Is the taste better / different with pink flowers? Or no different?

>>512549245
>people don't want chicken shit in their own yard
Gay and Karen attitude

>mulberries
Western chinkpost

>>512541318 (OP)
Yep. Check out the documentary "Farmageddon" for more outrage. Government goon squads terrorizing small, independent farmers.

>>512565320
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_z_%C3%81vili

>>512541318 (OP)
In other countries, humans use every square foot of property. In North America, land sits vacant and unused everywhere you look. Some places, the land only seems to exist for decoration.

>>512541318 (OP)
>Have you noticed the uptick of propaganda against growing your own food "for climate change"?
No, I have not. lol nobody propagandizes against you growing your own food. At worst the only thing you'll hear is "it's too difficult, it's not worth your time and effort." And depending on the climate you live and your income, both of those statements can be true.
You people are making things up to feel persecuted, just like jews.

>>512541318 (OP)
They'll even come on here and try to dissuade posters from growing food
>we should grow our own food!
>"NO you CAN'T! What, you think you're gonna feed yourself with a berry bush?! PAH! you have NO IDEA!"
>no i mean grow lots of vegetables and plant an orchard and have a wide variety of crops that are ready to harvest at different seasons and m-
>"WOW what a RETARD! YOU THINK PLANTING 3 berry bushes WILL FEED YOU?"
>"HAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW BACK BRAKING IT IS TO GROW YOUR OWN FOOD?!?!"

That was literally the last thread on this. He sounded like a kid that just found out that growing crops isn't like stardew valley

>>512549526
Smoke, then vacuum seal.

>>512549661
Small indoor greenhouse, artificial light, don't let them overgrow, broccoli seed is easy. Anyone figure out how to sprout dandelion?

>>512541318 (OP)
There is no way the leftist masses would ever agree to outlawing someone having a reasonable garden. I just cant see what they would write on their protest signs. There is no bumper sticker slogans for that issue.

>>512565714
For how long is it edible this way?

>>512564465
Yes, also try green tomato ketchup

>>512565680
Exactly. It's too funny not to keep having these threads. Imagine how demoralizing their job must be.

>>512550000
I'll check that too. Not wasted.

Good thread, guys and gals

>>512564093
Gooseberries are really bitter. Why do people eat them?
There's some gooseberries in a hedge row by an old tin roof house ruin in a field near me, I could grow them right now for free but I dislike them that much

>>512550753
Who knows these days. Many schools are taught by female leftoids who would rather teach them about homosexual and lesbian sex.

>>512551201
You done good, leaf.

>>512541318 (OP)
the fuck you talking about?

>>512566911
Make jam

>>512566911
i never had huckleberry but they are almost impossible to grow from seed and people in montana and idaho swear by them

>>512567405
They are good. You should try saskatoon berries.

>>512567214
Does it taste nice? I've only ate them off the bush

>>512567405
Take cuttings
I might go up the mountains and take bilberries. My natural garden soil is acidic so they'd like it

>>512567604
They aren't the best out of hand. Black currants are better for that