Thread 512548680

Any questions, concerns, surprises, or lack-thereof?

>>512548680 (OP)
Surprises me how liberal Alaska is tbqhwyf

>>512548681
Native Americans live in the blue counties

Rural and suburban retards.

>>512548682
I meant boroughs…..

>>512548683
Trump is from Queens and lived his whole life in NYC he is as urban as they come in this county lmao. Keep coping tard.
>>512548684
wot?

>>512548685
Trump isn't the retard (well he is in someways and is very smart in others) the people who voted for him are

>>512548680 (OP)
All those red counties got less than a thousand people in each, the blue ones have millions of people

>>512548783
>shitskins and non-landowning urbanites
>people
Bit of stretch

>>512548682
natives voted for trump tho

How sparse is the population in this country?
What these counties look like regarding infraestracture and demographics?
What kind of jobs are there in an average red county?

This is the only map that matters. It's from 2012 but it's been true for decades

I'm surprised that miami dade flipped. is that the most populated county that went for trump?

>>512548680 (OP)
Upper NE coast area is mainly blue but why? It's majority white non-Hispanic and wealthy. The voters can see the damage and dysfunctionality of Dem run cities but its still blue. So why?

>>512549235
Florida is the MAGA base.

>>512548680 (OP)
Only people who should be allowed to vote and hold office should be people who served in the military, own land and a house and have kids.
Nobody else has an actual stake in this countries future and can pack up and leave at any time.

>>512548680 (OP)
Foreigns don't think, full stop.

Why arent there any trump trump harris?

>>512549582
They CAN'T see though. They don't know what a nigger infected shithole the rest of the country is becoming, except on the internet, so they'll vote blue. Until it bites them in the arse and they become a nigger infested shithole.

>>512549582
Because historically it has prided itself on being the core of the revolution, core of the abolitionist movement, fancy and European intellectuals who are more liberal than everyone else, and it is too far away from any significant industrial city to experience the nightmare of niggers. It was the core of the American industrial revolution, but by the time of the great niggertide all the New England towns had been supplanted by the bigger mid atlantic cities like NYC and Philadelphia, and midwestern ones like Detroit and Chicago. Now it is like Sweden or Canada, a rich old money liberal white paradise that never has to see any niggers. Boston has been rapidly hispanicized over the past few decades though.

>>512548783
AOC's district is a million people.
She received about 45,000 votes.
Let that sink in for a moment then ask yourself who's actually living in her district.

>>512549582
>The voters can see the damage and dysfunctionality of Dem run cities but its still blue. So why?
That's the thing. They can't actually see that.
Because New England is so White, when they have some shitlib in charge their cities end up looking more like Scandinavia. Not my cup of tea, personally, but at least functional.
Whereas Dixie is dark red, but since it's majority nigger, it's a shithole. Demographics matter more than ideology. Who knew?

>>512548685
>wot?
Answer
>Alaska is not divided into counties, like Louisiana's parishes and unlike most of the other U.S. states, but it is divided into boroughs.[58]

>>512549582
Democrat-led states (e.g., New England)
>Higher taxes (especially income & property)
>More public services & social safety nets
>Stricter business & environmental regulations
>Higher public school & transit funding
>Urban/transit-focused infrastructure

Republican-led states
>Lower taxes (often no state income tax)
>Leaner government & fewer social programs
>Lighter business regulation
>More school choice programs, lower public funding per student
>Car/suburb-focused infrastructure

Democrat-led states (e.g., New England)
>Pros: Better-funded public services, stronger safety nets, robust transit, higher environmental & workplace standards.
>Trade-offs: Higher taxes, cost of living, and slower permitting/business growth.

Republican-led states
>Pros: Lower taxes, cheaper cost of living, faster business growth, lighter regulation.
>Trade-offs: Leaner public services, less transit, weaker safety nets, lower public school funding.

Democrat-run states tend to have higher taxes, more public services, stronger regulation, and heavier investment in public infrastructure, while Republican-run states tend to have lower taxes, leaner government, lighter regulation, and more reliance on private enterprise.

If you take culture out of the picture, the difference is less “ideological” in the social sense and more about how much government is involved in managing the economy and daily life.

>>512549911
> Boston has been rapidly hispanicized over the past few decades though.
It’s still majority White, paco.

>>512548680 (OP)
Basically if you don't vote for trump, you are a homosexual. All the people suffering from TDS never admit that they are defending candidates such as Harris and Clinton.

>>512548680 (OP)
I don't think americans care about what foreigners think.

Alaska is a hard place to live and I would think should lean toward self-sufficiency and conservative values. So why is it so pozzed?

>>512548680 (OP)
>map made a week after the election
Why post this? You can tell it's a week after the election because it has Lake county California as being straight Blue when it actually flipped and should be orange.

That said that black belt of the south being eaten away at is probably more worrisome for Dems than all that green is for Republicans. Though i'd argue Pink and Green are the most important colors since they show counties flipping and staying flipped. There's something to be said about geographically isolating dems to the extent that someone in oklahoma is. Where the nearest majority dem county is hundreds of miles away

>>512549195
Everyone pays taxes idiot except for offgrid neets

>>512549118
Depends on the county and the region. I am in a red county for example. About 25k people total. About 700 square miles. About 60% of the people live in a small city the rest are spread out rural. Jobs are so-so.

>>512549582
Because republican run states are anti humanity.
In more diverse areas you want republicans running things since they give you more autonomy in regards to defending yourself when hunted down by animals and also make it safe for you.
Meanwhile majority white areas dont have to worry about safety so they look at the more humane policies which democrats have better ones, as in better funded schools, public transport, infrastructure and other shit.

>>512548680 (OP)
The orange ones are very revealing. Great map.

This is a good map too, wish they had it by county

>>512549582
New Englanders have been gay fruit-cakes for a along long long time. It goes way back

>>512550219
Chugs.

>>512549582
To add to the other comments, which are correct, most of New England is highly stratified by income by town. So you vote for "good conscience because you're white and have a good income and have a moral compass and blacks are that way because of socio-economic misfortune", and you never have to live with the actual results.
For example, the town I grew up in, we had to bus our black students in from a nearby city, because they couldn't afford to live in our town. Even then we had the best black students, because they would get kicked out of the busing program if they acted up.
Things have changed since Obama though, Section 8 is pushing far more low income families (black and hispanic) into wealthier areas and people are starting to see the results of their voting. However, it'll still take a while longer before people wake up.

>>512548680 (OP)
How many of you regret it?

That mutts are very dumb

>>512549582
>>512549908
I would also chalk it up to inexperience. The whitest libbest people in the country also tend to live in the most segregated enclaves in the country. NIMBYs to the extreme,
>Well I won't have browns in my neighborhood, but you definitely should.
What other opinion would they have when their only experience with Juan is the guy who does their lawn cheap and their only experience with Tyrone insists on being called Ty and is the one 105 IQ black from the entirety of Philadelphia?

They'll say that land doesn't vote, people do.

I want a recent version of this too.

>>512550502
While some of that may be true the whole deluded humanitarian more enlightened moral savior syndrome has been an identity of theirs all the way back to when they were colonies.

>>512549195
Everyone pays taxes you moron. It might not be direct taxation but all the fees and indirect taxation is still paying taxes. Taxes that end up being regressive taxation for average people and a much higher over all percentage of their income.
Never mind that even if we ignore that issue, elderly on fixed incomes, wealthy dodging taxes, very young but legal voters etc etc... there is still the issue of every citizen is worthy of voting. Absolutely peak ball licking of the upper management sort of class to suggest only they are worthy of voting. Based off raw income.
I can tell you have zero college any higher education or you would have covered this exact BS claim in a few classes.

>>512548685
>Trump is from Queens and lived his whole life in NYC he is as urban as they come in this county lmao. Keep coping tard.
He was also a Democrat until politically convenient to be a Republican. Now he is a typical retarded Florida Man.

>>512549582
Rich whites don't have to live with the consequences of supporting Anti-white candidates and policies, which means that they don't have to be masochistic bloodline traitors to engage in the woke virtue signaling.

ok so the whites are really comfortable in New England and can indulge themselves in fashionable luxury opinions without having the diversity on their doorstep.

>>512550524
>just let sodomites rape your children so that GDP goes up!
>no, your wages won't go up, but you can feel good about helping billionaires!
What kind of retard would think this is a good argument?
>flag
Oh, right. The Eternal Swamp Jew.

>>512550058
It's a quarter beaner
>>512550255
>That said that black belt of the south being eaten away at is probably more worrisome for Dems than all that green is for Republicans.
It really should be. Especially if the 2030 census is as catastrophic as everyone is expecting. If the Dems can't win a single southern swing state then it won't matter if they take all of the rust belt ones. Considering how radicalized white southerners are becoming I don't think that's possible.

>>512550767
At least that was the case until about 5 years ago. Which is when the feds started pumping Somalis into places like rural Maine. I would expect to see that start to change sooner rather than later.

>>512550264
>>512550754
Seethe and cope. The value of one's vote should be tied to their value to the economy

>>512550827
>then it won't matter if they take all of the rust belt ones.
Which they can't. IN is going to stay red until the heat death of the universe, and OH will stay solid red unless the GOP decides to move away from populism and back towards Romneyites.

>>512551116
IN and OH are solid red states. I'm talking about Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Fuck even Minnesota is starting to waver.

>>512550687
Yeah, they were basically genocidal against southrons for owning slaves. It comes from the whole american revolution thing.

>>512548680 (OP)
I don't give a shit about who is president in your retarded shit hole country.

>>512550255
Lake didn't flip for a couple months no one was going to wait for that shit. The map you're thinking of is this one.

To what extent do Americans care more about their state than 'America'? Is America becoming more of an abstract concept as the economy starts to contract, social cohesion loosens, and migration changes the demographic?

>>512551289
This is just a myth that southrons tell themselves to play the victim. The South was given *extraordinary* leniency after the american civil war, to the point that we call that era of american history The Reconstruction. You were allowed to keep your culture, keep your symbols of rebellion, and celebrate your rebel leaders WHILE THE SIDE THAT JUST KICKED YOUR ASS PAID TO REBUILD YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

Do you have any idea what *usually* happens to the losing side in a civil war?

>>512551562
The state is fairly important. The state governements do still have real impact on you. Me personally? I think more about my region than I do my state. This region is smaller than alot of states and stretches across a few state lines but I would consider someone just across the state line more of a "countryman" of mine than someone on the ass end of the state tbqh.

>>512548680 (OP)
You owe us 249 years worth of taxes.

>>512551757
Your people changed the duly ratified federation into a defacto unratified illegitimate national government at gunpoint point you dope. You are probably first in line to complain about the government, or central banking etc. too arent you?

>>512551757
Get over yourself faggot. Lincoln's war was literally unconstitutional. Nothing in the Constitution forbids a state from leaving and nothing in it authorizes a president to invade states.

>>512551261
Wasn't that long ago OH was considered purple.
But sure. I was addressing your point about them needing to win the *entire* rust belt.
But I do agree with your larger point. They are losing ground in multiple former strongholds, not just one, yeah.

I'd post this as an image but it's 5.2 mb
https://maps.rynerohla.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/2024-President-by-Precinct.png
so have this image instead

>>512550758
Meh, he’s about as republican as same as some pot-bellied pisan walking around Staten Island. He didn’t magically become a Florida cracker redneck. Enough with your cope binary

>>512548680 (OP)
America should decide the president by popular vote

>>512552124
If we go by the only duly ratified government? No. Thats what nations do. We were supposed to be a federation of states with a limited common government for purposes mostly dealing with things of an interstate concern.

The state is ostensibly the direct "sovereign". The states then make decisions as a federation. States can chose electors however they want. The states are the parties to constitution too btw.

>>512551562
This varies a LOT, depending on who you're talking to and context.
Down in Dixie, they worship their region, but don't particularly care about state vs state differences in the region. TX, famously, but also NY and CA to a lesser extent, largely view themselves as entirely separate entities. Then there are some cases like OH and MI where they define themselves almost entirely by hatred of each other.
Tl;dr, there isn't a single monolithic answer to your question across the entire country.

>>512551757
>Do you have any idea what *usually* happens to the losing side in a civil war?
Especially when that side started the war and especially especially when they started it because they felt they were too special to contribute anything to the national economy.

>>512552306
What if a state disagrees with the elected president? Doesn't each state have to agree with having that guy in office?

>>512551981
Except you didn't just leave, you then immediately attacked a Union fort. The South shot first in the war of so-called "Northern Aggression".

If you seceded from the union, guess what? You were a foreign power. So when a foreign power attacks your military, what do you call that? What do you expect to happen in response?
The Constitution might not have anything in it that authorizes the president to invade states, but if you recognize the Confederacy as no longer being part of the USA then *you are no longer states of that union*. Your defense of your actions hinges on the idea that the Confederacy was, itself, illegitimate as a nation and was always just a part of the USA even when it said it wasn't.

>>512551982
>Wasn't that long ago OH was considered purple. But sure.
Fair, I was born in 95 so for my political life it's been solid red and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
>They are losing ground in multiple former strongholds, not just one, yeah.
I think Minnesota will be like the democrats North Carolina. It'll always be on the cusp of flipping but never flip. They really should be panicking over Pennsylvania though. If it becomes the new Ohio then that's game over for the Dems controlling the presidency.

>>512552633
The states choose electors based on population. The electors go cast a vote for president. The states could chose or bind electors however they wanted. State legislature. Hell they could throw darts. That's the state's choice and the people elect their state governments.

The states all discussed and haggled and agreed on this electoral system and that's the only thing which gives it any legitimacy- it is what was agreed to and it makes sense.

>>512552674
The south made every effort to have diplomacy with the north concerning what to do with federal installations located in Southern territory (or the immediate objects thereof). Your nationalizing president wanted no diplomacy no discussion at all. What can be done in these situations where one side refuses ANY diplomacy but insists on military occupation? And you have the audacity to blame it on the only ones attempting diplomacy?

>>512548783
Trump won.

>>512548680 (OP)
>Native Americans live in the blue counties
No, the blue counties are mostly niggers and retards.
The only true Native Americans are the descendants of the original British settlers. Everyone else is an illegal brown migrant who is about to get deported to El Salvador or South Sudan. The heya hoya savage injuns will get sent back to their homeland in Siberia and their reservations and casinos redistributed to Americans.

>>512552456
>they felt they were too special to contribute anything to the national economy.
Slapping a 40%+ tariff on countries that have no tariffs on your products just so you can force your countrymen to buy overpriced and inferior products is a shabby thing to do. Not all Northern industrialists supported tariffs btw. The better ones like Samuel Colt and Cyrus McCormick were opposed to them.

>>512548680 (OP)
Jewpublicans will genocide whitey at a slow pace, it doesnt matter if they get elected you retarded conservacuck

>>512553249
Ah yes, diplomacy. Thats what we call it when not getting your way means you start shooting.
And then when shooting doesn't get your way, you claim victimhood for having lost the war your started.

The south was weak. Its plan was stupid. It threw 700,000 american lives away picking a fight against the half of the country with more industry and more people in a pointless attempt to not have to give up its slave-based industry, an economic funnel that didn't even benefit most of the people that died to defend it. The south lost morally, diplomatically, and economically long before it lost militarily, and its dumb of you to celebrate them.

>>512552124
No but all the representative seats in the House should be statewide and appointed proportionally. Kill the gerrymandering meme at its root.

>>512553709
>buzzword salad

>>512553933
Jewpublicans have none nada outside of Trump to de anti white the US fucking retard

>>512548680 (OP)
>clinton, trump, trump
what causes this?

>>512553738
>Ah yes, diplomacy. Thats what we call it when not getting your way means you start shooting.
They sent a delegation to Washington to negotiate the details of separation, including accepting their share of the national debt, and Lincoln refused to even meet with them. What other options did they have?

>In March of 1861, John Forsyth of Alabama and Martin J. Crawford of Georgia arrived in Washington D.C. as commissioners from the Confederate States, seeking official recognition of the Confederacy and to negotiate the transfer of federal property in the South.
President Lincoln considered the Confederacy an illegitimate entity and saw secession as an act of rebellion. Meeting with Forsyth and Crawford would have been seen as recognizing the Confederacy as a sovereign nation, which Lincoln refused to do.

>>512553839
Another option would be to increase the size of the House of Representative.
The House of Representatives is supposed to be 'the people's house', where the voice of the people in US government is strongest. The House was not a set size, its grown many times in US history to reflect the growing population. But we haven't increases the size of the House in AGES, meaning that each representative now represents a much larger group of people than they are supposed to, which means they are less directly accountable to anyone and no one's voice is being heard.
Increasing the size of the house would mean breaking up states, especially the more populated ones, into smaller districts. This creates better representation for voters, but also greatly reduces the damage done by gerrymandering because it forces districts to be SMALLER, thus removing a lot of the ability to fuck with them in long, wonky ways to marginalize specific voting blocks.

All of the democracies that are happier than the US in a representative democracy have a lower voter-to-representative ratio than we do. It just makes for a better functioning government. There is only ONE country on the list that has a worse ratio than we do: its India. Thats right, the USA is almost India tier in its government.

>>512548912
The 50 Eskimos living in Alaska obviously voted another way, retard. Eskimos don't rake in casino money and likely rely more on government handouts.

>>512553738
The southern states chose to peacefully leave a union and attempted to work out contentious points with the yankee government with sensible diplomacy. The yankee government refused ALL diplomacy and insisted on the occupation and stationing of federal troops in southern state's territory (or natural objects thereof in the case of Ft. Sumpter). This is not the action of a government seeking peaceful resolution at all.

I realize you are retarded but a union is a voluntary cooperation of constituent parts. Collapsing all the states in defacto federal districts at gunpoint destroyed the union it didnt save it. And look at you retards now- stifled and squashed under the boot of a massive and overbearing national government
.. which was predicted. Ruining your reputation and going bankrupt over foreign wars and foreign aggression.. which was predicted. etc etc etc the list goes on. The southerners predicted all this would be the fate of you nationalizers and you have the audacity to thrash about at the southerners (of all people) just because you happened to be living when the house of cards your ancestors built finally collapsed on you? Get a grip retard.

>>512548680 (OP)
Proud of my State
>t. Okie

>>512554266
TLCM.

>>512554667
> No you don't understand, you are only suffering a slide into conservative oligarchy NOW because you didn't let us take half the country and form a conservative oligarchy back THEN. This is all on you! We're blameless!

Interesting argument.

>>512551757
>to the point that we call that era of american history The Reconstruction.
Reconstruction was horrific for the South, and the primary reason why Southerners still have such a beef about the war.
If the war had just ended with the South not being able to leave the union or keep using slaves, that would have been that and Southerners would have been agreeable. Southerners knew slavery was quickly becoming obsolete anyway and would be gone soon regardless. And that's how it seemed like things would go at the end of the war. Gentlemen who fought it out and settled their differences and then shook hands. But then that faggot Lincoln got shot and all the yankees wanted blood.
Andrew Johnson was pretty based and reasonable, but the radical republican yankees and Grant wanted to punish the South with a harsh military occupation, seizing lands and other goods, and putting niggers, yankee carpetbaggers, and scalawags in charge of everything.

>>512554840
Your nationalizing tendencies were predicted, by the southerners, to result in aggression abroad and despotism at home and eventual ruination of the entire society.

This has literally unfolded exactly as they predicted 150 years ago. Dont sperg because they were right, sprerg at your ancestors for setting you up for this kek.

>>512555175
>Your nationalizing tendencies were predicted, by the southerners, to result in aggression abroad and despotism at home and eventual ruination of the entire society.
The people behind the CSA were the ones most in favor of expanding the US to create more slave states and, as the CSA, fantasized about annexing Mexico and the Caribbean islands. And today the party most in favor of local despotism and foreign adventuring is the one whose powerbase is the former CSA.
>nooooo we was peaceful gud bois
lmao

>>512555440
>I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the States and to the people, not delegated to the General Government, is essential to the preservation of civil liberty, and that the consolidation of the States into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.
Kek they literally predicted this you clown. You won- you are responsible "nation." It is a dumpster fire and it is failing... and now you dindu and sperg at the southerners of all people? Do you people really have no shame at all kek?

why are there no ids?

>>512555175
Nationalizing is how we won two world wars, won the cold war, put a man on the moon, and became a global superpower. Nationalizing isn't our problem. The greed of the wealthy is.
The same kind of greed that caused the wealthy to start a civil war to try and defend by force an exploitative economic system that the rest of the world, not just the union, had already rejected just because it benefited them personally.

>>512555440
Also I would remind you that expansion according to some Knights of the Golden Circle ideas may have been an undercurrent but there was never any official CSA doctrine on that topic. To the contrary- officially the CSA actually aided Europe in trying to take back control of Mexico. Anyways, expansion in the neighboring new world was always in line with outlr founders notions of isolationism. The southerners were yet again simply adhering to the beliefs of the legitimate founding of the United States.

And look at what your nationalized monstrosity has done? Based in the middle east. Bases in europe all over the world. Wars in europe, wars in Asia. And you think, in your tiny mind that this is comparable to expanding into the carribean?? Kek get a grip you are either clinically retarded or sandbagging dishonestly- which is it?

>>512548680 (OP)
Huh, blue gets mogged by red as usual
>inb4 muh land doesn't vote
Don't care. Surprised by how many went orange compared to green, especially beanervilles. The utter lack of purple really fucks the people trying to explain the loss of 20 million voters in 2024

>>512555838
>Nationalizing is how we won two world wars, won the cold war, put a man on the moon, and became a global superpower.
I can't wait for the day the boomers are dead.

Alaska is going to change because the people in the interior, like the Canadians with CBC, get all their news from PBS/NPR and Orange man bad, Our governor man bad, our freedom bad, we have no taxes and that's bad. etc.

>>512555838
>Nationalizing isn't our problem. The greed of the wealthy is.

>>512555838
No one thinks there are not some ostensible advantages to nationalizing. Military power. Riches etc etc. The question is are they worth destroying yourself and becoming a slave to a bureacracy?

But for all those foreign wars and spaceships and sheit- look where it got you? Hated by the world. Money spent on a massive welfare state. Under the boot of a stack of govt regulations a mile high? No real national identity? No regional identity? Kids corrupted by the national education system? Government forcing you to take experimental medications? A tax code longer than the Bible?? Constitution treated as a door mat?

One would think at some point you'd realize we are far worse off for meddling in European wars and letting a group of women and politicians run your life from Washington DC. Was it worth it? Maybe you can argued that back in the 50s before the bill came due.

>>512549582
All the replies to this are talking around areas that are majority Catholic, and how Catholics vote.

>>512548680 (OP)
The red areas only have churches and gun ranges. The people living there have all the worst qualities of a human you can imagine. They're tribal and passive, but at the same time violent and loud.

>>512552338
>Down in Dixie, they worship their region, but don't particularly care about state vs state differences in the region.
Check back in about 3 weeks when college football starts and see if Southerners don't particularly care about state vs state.

>>512550524
I always get a kick out of this stuff. Republicans fix stuff, then things start getting easy and dems get power, where they ride the success until its about to grenade just in time for a republican to get back in and fix it again.

>>512549118
I live in a glowing red county that is large in footprint, but the main city is "small" when compared to others. Big enough we have an international airport, but that ain't saying to much. The county is sub-350k, the city is sub-60k. Surrounding areas make up the majority of the population (suburbs if you will). Most of the county is rural or what is now called semi-rural. Jobs are great if you aren't a dummy. I'm in a travel job now, I've been all over the US and a chunk of the world. I wouldn't live any where else. I'm part of the small rural population and love it. My neighbors' house and farm or for sale if you got an extra 4.5mil laying around. Land and housing is still pretty crazy, I bought 20 years ago when I thought 10k per acre was highway robbery.

>>512549582
Jewish controlled brainwashed goyim with little exposure to the policies they enforce on others.

just imagine how retarded the democrats are

>>512551562
The state matters more than the federal government in our daily lives . Culturally we transcend borders and tend towards regionalism.

>>512562512
what kinda zoomer retard map is this?