Thread 512591952

The image that BTFO'd /pol/

>>512591952 (OP)
OP is rentoid, only eats boiled rice

>>512591952 (OP)
who does he represent rho?
men?
balds?
white people?
business community?

am i missing anyone?

>>512591952 (OP)
My favorite part of renting my properties is after move out. I meticulously record video walkthroughs covering every inch of every room so I can do a full comparison with the move out condition. One tenant thought I wouldn’t notice that she patched up a second of carpet her dog had probably ripped up. Nope, I noticed! The lease says that you aren’t allowed to make repairs and you must notify me immediately when damage occurs. I would have fixed it myself free of charge, but now I get new carpet fully COMPED. Thank you rentoid!

>>512591952 (OP)
someone change "the market" panel to be 100 million indians and mexicans

>>512592183
(((Capitalists)))
>>512592384
Shalom Rabbi
>>512592552
>Oy vey goy! Don't look over here, look at those goyim who don't own the properties, goy!

>>512591952 (OP)
>take out a loan, buy property
>rent it out for a reasonable rate, tenants will flock to you
>use your reasonable profits to buy more properties
>become a major real estate player and a force for positive social change

How about it, OP?

>>512592183
He is our PM and also a cunt

>>512593234
I bought a small block of flats once, it was awesome. I lived in 1 and had good control over who I rented to. Positive cash flow all the way baby.

>>512592384
>allows pets
>rents to niggers
Slumlord

>>512591952 (OP)
>[x] is more expensive than it used to be because vendors of [x] are greedy
Damn I keep forgetting that the concept of greed was invented 10-20 years ago. Crazy.

I am a land LORD, the lord part sound so nice.

Look pal, It Is not muy fault that you are the descent of a bunch of idiots, better luck the next reincarnation.

About the price, living un a mejor city Is not a right, It Is a privilege.

>>512591952 (OP)
>implying /pol/ is pro Cuxon
Nigger please

>>512592384
Landleeches try that from time to time. I always take them to small claims court where judge will tell them that wear and tear cannot be paid from deposit and it's a landlords expense. Hey full deposit returned plus expenses.

Mao was right, struggle session every landlord.

>>512591952 (OP)
Housing prices are determined by the same thing as all prices, supply and demand. Housing can be made more affordable in two ways: by relaxing zoning laws so higher density housing can be built or by getting rid of immigrants so there's less people looking for housing, ideally both.

Anyone that thinks housing can be solved with rent controls or by limiting how many properties an entity can own or any other distortionary measure is a retarded commie.

>banks make up money to loan out for housing
>loan out to people who proceed to buy houses
>housing prices gets driven up by all the money injected into the real estate market
>total amount of money in the system goes up creating inflation

why isn't this banned

>>512591952 (OP)
Nigger detected.
You lack the IQ to realise that a market of everyone acting selfishly means the lowest price for renters: only 1 landlord can win your business, and they'd all rather have some money rather than none.

The only reason rent increases is immigration. If doctors and engineers were not flooding our countries, rents would be decreasing.

Whole housing market is a giant scam and easily one of the worst aspects of neoliberal capitalism. It’s an insanely disruptive phenomenon, in societal, cultural and economic terms.
I own a huge house, and will own two apartments in the near future.
I fully support bans to fix this issue, and I believe everyone who doesn’t is a Judaized subhuman.
Adjacent issue is tourism and apartment renting. Ban it. Tourists can use hotels. Build more hotels.

>>512592183
>ruh-rho raggot

>>512594622
These services are for white people who work, brownoid subhuman living in Japan on a bullshit visa. Please kill yourself and do the world a favor.

>>512594622
Because of “free market”, a Jewish idea pushed on pliable American goyim that brainwashes you into thinking you can have it good even tho shitload of people in your nation have it horrible.
It will just “fix itself” but you must not observe the societal and political cost of these “fixes”.

>>512594993
>banks making up money to loan out under interest
>white people
who's gonna tell him

>>512594480
False

Housing prices are determined by lending and there is no cap to what the banks want to lend. This is a major cause of inflation.

>>512595115
You can’t tell him shit, Americans are the most brainwashed people on planet. He’s fully indoctrinated in Jewish worldview that’s been forced on him.
That’s why his society is collapsing.

>>512595257
>Housing prices are determined by lending
this

banks literally make up money from thin air when they lend money which drives up prices and causes inflation

Renting from a good friend is nice. There's downsides to a handshake agreement of course, you don't really have the same sort of protections nor do they, but it's still nice. I've got the run of the place and can do whatever i please, he knew some stuff could be in better shape so he doesn't mind since me making myself more comfortable ultimately brings the property value up. My rent is a pittance and has gone up only $100 in the past decade and I have gone months without paying without any fuss since ultimately we trust eachother. He never charges interest and thinks ursery is a sin but when I miss it i always throw in some extra and round up to return that goodwill. There's nothing wrong with landlords in principle. There's something wrong with society and the fact we don't have communities anymore.

>>512595257
There are limits to what people want to borrow and lenders don't want their interest to be erased by inflation. This is only a problem because the government keeps bailing out banks.

>>512591952 (OP)
nigger tries to make me explain that the right side should show the renters who are willing to pay. nigger thinks this counts as successful trolling. nogger is nigger, and what's almost worse, nigger is OP.

>>512595396
>the government
Banking system isn’t controlled by the government.

>>512595334
there is a reason that among the first things hitler sorted out were banks and currency. Arguably this was the true root cause of WW2.

>>512592183
Bald white men are the jews of communists.

>>512595436
They are bailed out by the government which distorts the lending market.

>>512595396
>psychological limits
The "limit" you describe will increase exponentially as people become acclimatised to ever higher numbers. There's no real economic factor at play other than what people can be somehow convinced is normal.

You advocate Zimbabwe tier economics.

>>512595396
>this system that constantly creates housing bubbles is totally fine and has no problem at all outside of government meddling

>>512595549
>You advocate Zimbabwe tier economics.
You understand banks loaning money to people to buy houses is how our current system works, correct? And our system is made artificially worse by the government bailing out banks. Is that to say you believe we are currently living in Zimbabwe tier system?

>>512595570
Yes.

>>512594480
Landleeches drive up market price buy being extra competitors in the market and then renting out at a profit, further driving up prices

Rent control incentivizes new construction by freezing the value of old buildings so landleeches wont just sit on an old investment as it increases in value forever and try to NIMBY away any new construction that will lower the value of the building they already own.

Of course a better solution would just be building public housing without a profit motive, but that would make landlords would have a melty and collectively ACK thsmelves.

>>512595866
In practice it's shown rent controls DISincentivize new construction as building companies worry they won't be able to make back their initial investment over the decades it would take to do so.

>>512591952 (OP)
Yeah, and let’s import infinity Jeets to strain supply even further. That’ll work!

>>512595788
2 things can be bad at the same time anon and just because "thats how it works" doesn't mean that it should work that way or that it is in any way sustainable.

Again, this is banks acting like niggers.

>>512595866
>Rent control incentivizes new construction by freezing the value of old buildings so landleeches wont just sit on an old investment as it increases in value forever and try to NIMBY away any new construction that will lower the value of the building they already own.
Once again, the issue here is the government interfering with the market. Relax zoning laws so higher density housing can be built.

>>512595788
Also, in case its not clear, we live in a total bullshit banana republic joke of an economy and every expert who advocates for it is a drooling fuckwit who just repeats what he was told in econ 101.

Niggers
Kikes
Wops
Spics
Crackers
Gooks
Chinks

>>512592183
it's anti-bald propaganda

>>512591952 (OP)
Why do you glow niggers show up here with your concern posting pretending pol is one person with a shit take.

>>512596226
True but that's because Keynesian central banks and high tax rates are destroying our economies. Banks giving loans isn't itself a problem.

>ITT: brown subhumans who want free gibs
Dying at you fucking niggers. Absolute lel.

>>512594480
> t. A Smart Commie

>>512596082
>>512596166
I doubt their pleading of poverty from rent control is true at all and landleeches response to it is really more of a form of capital strike to fight back against anything that would eat into their profits, but let's very generously give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's true. If enough new construction is built to lower the market value the point where rents drop to the same reasonable levels a rent freeze might set...wouldn't they just end up in the same unprofitable situation anyway? It's almost like treating housing as a commodity is...le bad!

>it's the gubmints fault
Whose economic interests do you think the government is acting in with NIMBY regulations? You think if we lived in stateless lolbert paradise they wouldn't figure out a way rig the system in a similar way? As long as you tolerate private landleeching as a unimpeachable economic right, it's bound to continue like this.

>>512596343
>Out of control loans and keynesianism are separate.
anon

>>512596521
Early gen capitalists would have been the first to admit that rent seeking is a disease that fucks up the economy. Try prying that out of apologists today.

>>512593234
>rent it out for a reasonable rate, tenants will flock to you
Constructing and renting out reasonably priced homes is a terrible idea, I did exactly what you wrote, rented out brand new terraced appartments €650/month in the city center to white families. Thought i'd be doing my kind a favor. Tenants I got were poors, didn't pay rent, trashed the place, removed kitchen + bathroom and sold them on our equivalent of craigslist. I tried to evict them but judge said sorry can't evict families with children. Now they live there for free, for as long as they please, presumably until their children are grown up.

Lessons learned, only ever invest in and rent expensive appartments. You keep the poors out ensuring everything is way out of their budget.

>>512596654
See this is the problem with landleeches. They hate the poor and don't want to take any risk or do any work and just want easy money. Why tolerate them? Get a job welfare queen.

>>512591952 (OP)
Piss off communist

>>512596922
I made a ton of money working hard, got into constructing affordable housing because I spent 15 years on /pol/ figured i'll build affordable housing and only hand over the keys to young white men wanting a nice affordable place to raise a family. Be part of the solution.

What I got is white niggers selling my bathrooms on craigslist.

>>512596521
>If enough new construction is built to lower the market value the point where rents drop to the same reasonable levels a rent freeze might set...wouldn't they just end up in the same unprofitable situation anyway? It's almost like treating housing as a commodity is...le bad!
Under free market conditions, new housing will get built as long as the marginal product of the new housing is positive. The important thing is that more housing would be built and housing would be more affordable.
>Whose economic interests do you think the government is acting in with NIMBY regulations?
Mostly homeowners who don't want their property value to go down. But let's say it's the landlords, what exactly is your suggestion? You think we can't relax zoning because the government is looking out for landlords, but that the government will stop looking out for landlords if we vote for public housing?

why the fuck is luxon on my feed

>>512597159
>Under free market conditions, new housing will get built as long as the marginal product of the new housing is positive.
What about overproduction? Obviously property owners, including obviously landlords, think housing is overproduced because they never want their property values to go down. They're the ones with the money and influence to keep it that way.

>You think we can't relax zoning because the government is looking out for landlords, but that the government will stop looking out for landlords if we vote for public housing?
The government acts however we tolerate it to act. It can act in landlord/capital owners' interests or workers' interests. It all depends whose hands are pulling the levers. Why would a "free market" stay whatever you think "free" means in any system the privileges the rights of private capital ownership and making profit over the common welfare?

>what's your solution
Democratic control over the economy and publicly constructed owned housing. Ending housing as a commodity.

>>512591952 (OP)
there's a good reason why there are no marxist economists other than richard wolf.

>>512594480
>There is only 2 ways

>>512595866
>Rent control incentivizes new construction
Why would you build new shit when the state has just demonstrated that it will put an arbitrary cap on how much money you can make off of it after an arbitrary period of time has elapsed.

>>512597586
>What about overproduction?
Dead weight loss is minimized in free market conditions whether it be under- or overproduction.
>Obviously property owners, including obviously landlords, think housing is overproduced because they never want their property values to go down.
In free market conditions they don't have the option of not developing because someone else will do it instead. The higher profits incentivizes competition and housing construction.
>Why would a "free market" stay whatever you think "free" means in any system the privileges the rights of private capital ownership and making profit over the common welfare?
Because the "common welfare" is the servicing of the collective demands of the people and the profit incentive is how we determine what those demands are.

>>512598050
Because almost always rent control only applies to buildings that have been around for decades, which should incentivize new construction they can charge market price in unless you're such a butthurt landleech that you take your ball and go home in a capital strike because you didn't want to have to do that at all.

If new construction lowers rents and profit margins why would landleeches want it to be built at all?

>>512598201
>nobody will care about it if it happens decades down the line
Why?

>>512598432
If landleeches won't build unless they can guarantee whatever rent they want forever why would they ever build new buildings that will just lower the profit margins on the ones that already own?

Every argument against rent control applies new construction. So what, they just get to sit on old buildings and bottleneck the market in their favor forever like they're doing now? Great system.

Old boomer landlords that want to coast their retirement or friend who happens to own a property are fine by me. Professional landlords who gobble up available housing and land to turn it into a pure "investment" property can suck a shotgun.

>>512598664
Nah fuck small holders. If you want a retirement make sure social security is well funded for all of us you boomer fucks.

>>512598722
I do wonder with social security how anyone thought that was never going to dry up. There are only so many people paying into the system, but more than enough to take out of it. Were they banking on infinite growth of population?

>>512598651
That's a strawman. The point is that new construction with future rent controls is a less appealing endeavor than new construction without future rent controls.

And rent control on old construction reduces profits which reduces financing for new construction. In both ways rent control incentivizes not building. Which is exactly what the empirical data confirms.

Irish landlord here.

There is no money in this. I might as well just leave the property empty and sell it in 20 years.

people blaming landlords when its mostly banks that dilute everybodies money with loans that the housing market is propped up by

>>512598829
Well you can always increase the payroll cap or fund it in other ways or just recognize that money is fake and gay and there's obviously enough resources to go around to make sure old people aren't living on the streets

>>512598878
Sp why aren't they building more now?
>muh zoning regulations
Why do property owners support these regulations?

>>512594480
typical right wing scum bootlicker

>>512598998
>Why do property owners support these regulations?
To keep their property value high.

>>512599248
ok, thank you for proving my point

>>512599307
That proves my point you retard. Without those regulations, their property values would go down because more housing would be built.

>>512599360
And the people who own and construct the housing want it that way. Why do you think lobbied for them stupid?

Oh my gosh don't RENT CONTROL them though! Then they might not build the housing they already don't want to be built!

>>512599435
This is the same doublethink from before.
>landlords lobby the government for zoning regulations so we can't fix that
>but they have no lobbying ability when it comes to rent control!
At the end of the day, rent control disincentivizes new housing and thus makes the housing problem worse. What you gain in affordability you lose worse in availability.

>>512599655
>>but they have no lobbying ability when it comes to rent control!
Well they do obviously which is why it usually doesn't happen and muh free market shills always defend the poor innocent landlords from evil rent communism because it's "common sense economics."

You know the government isn't a static entity right? Like its polices and the people in it can be changed. It's capable of serving the interests of capital like it does now or normal working people. There will never be a system that legally privileges private ownership this wouldn't be happening in, it's what the property owners want.

>>512599847
>You know the government isn't a static entity right? Like its polices and the people in it can be changed
Yeah, I can vote for politicians who want to relax zoning laws and get rid of rent control so that higher density housing will be built.

>>512592183
Third world immigration boosting housing demand, whilst regulations artificially restrict supply; driving up prices.

>>512593234
No, that would be wrong. Only corporations and the government can be trusted to rent fairly. If we allowed the private market to rent, we’d have to address the underlying causes of house prices!

>>512591952 (OP)
>We should share things, no one individual should stand above the rest.
>Adds a gay watermark to his memes

>>512591952 (OP)
Thats great honey. Now pay the rent and dont you dare forget to tip. You know how things go missing when you do.

>>512596654
Just demonstrates another way regulations restrict supply.
>>512596922
Retarded nigger or just lying?

>>512591952 (OP)
That meme has an actual funny version

>>512600036
What you want is a contradiction. You don't like rent control because it makes renting less profitable and therefore less enticing of an investment, but you want relaxation of zoning laws which will...make renting less profitable and therefore less enticing of an investment.

I don't think rent control is really a long term solution, more of a band aid to prevent people from losing their homes in the short term. Construction of public housing is what is necessary to break out of the cycle. To built homes so people have places to live and do real work and not to rent for a parasitic profit

>>512598953
it's literally "big banking" that wants to keep this information out of the public consciousness

>>512600198
true but unironically

>>512594480
>one entire market has only 2 cofounding factors
I fucking hate you reductionist retards so much.

>>512597586
>government acts however we tolerate it to act.
Invariably tending towards slavery.
>They're the ones with the money and influence to keep it that way.
In a freerer market, corruption like that is kept to a minimum; their ability to inflate house prices is minimum.
>Democratic control over the economy and publicly constructed owned housing.
What stops people voting for other peoples money like we have in all other democracies? What restrictions on voting will you put in place to attempt to curtail this? Weighted voting perhaps?

>>512599435
Thick as pig shit.
The regulatory structure that exists now has caused the corruption leading to high prices.
When you nationalize the housing market, those regulations will be the same, continuing the corruption leading to high prices.

The only solution is deregulation. That takes the form of cutting state funding by orders of magnitude. Less money means less available to syphon away to corruption.

>>512600266
>You don't like rent control because it makes renting less profitable and therefore less enticing of an investment
Correct.
>but you want relaxation of zoning laws which will...make renting less profitable and therefore less enticing of an investment.
Incorrect. Relaxing zoning laws will decrease the value of existing real estate but it will not disincentivize building new housing or expanding landlording operations. Housing will be developed so long as the marginal product is positive, overall profits will go up even if there are diminishing returns.

>>512599847
>its polices and the people in it can be changed.
Invariably tending towards the worst person for the role due to natural selection. You will always get the more corrupt person. Universally demonstrated by all governments.

>>512600266
>but you want relaxation of zoning laws which will...make renting less profitable and therefore less enticing of an investment
You’ve no understanding of market supply and demand at all. I’m not bothering to correct you.

>>512600383
Supply: regulations.
Demand: immigration and investment.

Investment only happens because there’s little else to invest in the economy. The solution is again deregulation. Investors will then invest in factories instead of houses.

In the end, it simplifies to exactly two problems: regulations and immigration.

>>512600557
Ironically, you're right. If there were no state there would be no police to evict anyone for landleeches and therefore no reason to pay them rent

>>512600613
>>512600701
Already covered this several times boys, if the zoning laws weren't in their interests they wouldn't have lobbied for them to exist in the first place. The housing market is set up exactly how they want it. If new construction was good for them they'd already be doing it, but they're not.

>>512600923
>Already covered this several times boys, if the zoning laws weren't in their interests they wouldn't have lobbied for them to exist in the first place.
Out of curiosity, can you give an example of landlords lobbying for zoning regulations?
>If new construction was good for them they'd already be doing it, but they're not.
It would be good for them in free market conditions.

>>512596086
Not looking great

>>512592183
white bald jewish men lmao