>tariffs don't wor-

Ive only seen tarrifs on energy drinks, shitty pickles, and marshmallows

good

>>512616255 (OP)
the money masters are shitting their pants at this point since now the golem is going to wake up to what's been done to him

>>512616255 (OP)
even a 1% increase would've made them highest in decades
many of the tariffs got watered down and didn't affect every sector
and notice that theres no longer talk of a trade war with china
we didn't have the cards, and the markets wouldn't allow it. that's why the indexes are up.

>>512616255 (OP)
>No Earthquake
Big reason is TACO.
Other than that prices are definitely rising and people are having budget and cut down expenses.

>>512620053
No quake but constant tremors until everything collapses anyway, if we can't to continue the analogy

>>512619972
"trade war"
We've been in a trade war since the 1960's.
And losing the entire time.
Until Trump.

>>512616255 (OP)
Tariffs went into place 3 days ago. The importer, not the seller, gets to pay the tariffs. The importer/ seller then inflates their prices to recover their losses, maybe tosses in another couple of percent extra just to cover the inconvenience. You know, because tariffs if you’re asking. We the American people pay the inflated prices. Winning!

I wonder what they plan to do with all those tariffs the importer paid? Will they recoup the American buyers or just return the money to those poor importers that paid the import tariffs…

>>512616255 (OP)
anon, like the covid money printing, this one is going to take a while to work through the system

>>512616255 (OP)
Blanket tariffs don’t work, targeted ones do.

The stuff on your list is garbage people can do without. It will be a problem this winter with imported agricultural products and technology.

>>512616255 (OP)
Whalen, Putzier, Leary?

LMFAO

Not even trying anymore.

>>512617892
You do realize that the rest of the world can still trade with each other in our absence?

>>512622321
You seem blind to the fact that manufacturing will move to countries with lower tariffs. The country with the lowest tariff (none) is the US. But they may just move from China to Japan for example. Tim Apple tried to move from China to India, that pissed off Trump, and so Trump jacked up India's tariff too. Tim Apple specifically was called out and told to bring the production to the US. If they try to move it to another foreign country, that country will get hit with a huge tariff too.

>>512616255 (OP)
>6 days into the tariff regime

>>512622597
And you are completely ignorant to the fact that:
1) the US doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity for such and it would take years to achieve it
2) it would STILL be cheaper to pay the tariffs and import than to have US-made goods
3) no intelligent investors would put capital into US manufacturing because the next administration will undo Trump’s “work”

>>512622597
The reason Apple manufacturing in India failed is the 50% rejection rates. It has fuck all to du with Trump. Indians are not disciplined or skilled enough for such work.

You pull shit out of your ass then post it as fact.

>>512616255 (OP)
My FXAIX which tracks the S+P 500 says otherwise.
Trannies can't come to grips with losing the election.

>>512616255 (OP)
Oh there'll be something coming soon. We have JEWISH FRIENDS who do the NEEDFUL.

>>512622566
Then they should just do that. Instead, they keep trading with us. Really makes you think...

>>512622597
They will move industry here to avoid paying tariffs, retain the higher paying jobs for their own people, hire h1b for middle management and farm out the lowest paying jobs to the local economy. What was to be collected in tariffs will be forwarded to the parent company back overseas. Bonus: no shipping needed as product is manufactured domestically. More money for the mothership.

>>512622321
>I am right
>it's reality which is wrong

>>512616255 (OP)
Why are mainstream Republicans now so excited that the government is getting money?
For my entire life, until this year, Republicans have despised the government having money and said any money the government has should be given back to the people they stole it from in tax breaks or should go to the military. One major Republican figure said, like fifteen years ago or something, that "we need to shrink the government small enough so we can drown it in a bathtub."
But now, Republicans are gloating about how rich the government is. I guess if the revenue is coming from ordinary people paying for tariffs, then the government having money is good. But if the revenue comes from taxes, especially on wealthy people, then the government having money is bad.
What is the proper way to make sense of this phenomenon? Are any broad principles involved or is this double standard just based on self-interest, wealthy people not wanting to pay taxes?

>>512622817
Tariffs are recovered with inflated prices. Another tax on the American economy.

>>512623212
Ordinary people don't pay tariffs, foreign manufacturing does.

>>512622321
>The importer/ seller then inflates their prices to recover their losses, maybe tosses in another couple of percent extra just to cover the inconvenience.
This assumes that the importer wasn't already charging as high a price as the market would allow before the tariffs were put in place. Why wouldn't the importer do that? Do you think they're going to leave money on the table out of the goodness of their hearts?

>>512623114
Necessity changes how the game is played. At some point, we become too much of a pain in the ass as a trading partner, new alliances blossom.

>>512616255 (OP)
Test

>>512623397
And when that happens we can consider it an issue. Until then, it's just scare mongering by people who have an interest in fucking over US manufacturing for their own gain. I'm tired of being told about boogeymen who are going to pop out and destroy us all if we don't support green/globalist policies.

>>512623294
You’re talking about multiple competing importers already inflating cost to determine profit. Just the nature of business. Without individual gimmicks, most pricing will be competitive. What the market bares is subjective in inflation. People pay the going rate on products they need, cut out the products they feel are unnecessary to meet budget. Think entertainment industry first, hospitality services such as vacations and hotels, then reoccurring purchases in technology like cars and cellphones, then medical such as dental or wellness services.

>>512623294
We already saw many companies making record profit amidst the inflation people were constantly talking about making life unaffordable, apparently the market could take it.
The better question is why they WOULDN'T do the same with tariff inflation.

>>512623278
Aaaaaand then they pass on the cost to the consumer.
Same thing happened with post-covid inflation.

>>512623749
That’s just reality. While important, we’re not the only customer out there. Realistically, the world could simply choose to sideline us by inflating their American exports and choosing not to do business. Maybe not today, but with Trump’s mercurial temperament and his propensity for random pricing of tariffs, we’re going to be viewed as an unreliable trading partner

>>512624312
>The better question is why they WOULDN'T do the same with tariff inflation.
I'm sure they will, if they can get away with it. The reasons they might not be able to is natural competition between importers combined with threats from the federal government. Trump has already warned Amazon about raising prices because of the tariffs, and he has a lot of power to go after people who step out of line if he wants to use it.

>>512620053
If people are now using "buy now, pay later" credit to purchase groceries, then total economic collapse is very near.

>>512616255 (OP)
Because they're not real as the number of exemptions is quite large. They're just high and broad enough to raise taxes on the average American through consumption in a significant way but low enough to not make it economically viable to on-shore production. Some exceptions apply but they tariffs are mostly bluster and noisy. Don't be retarded.

Trump and Biden are faggots.

>>512624392
If they had the ability to pass the cost along to a consumer they would have already been charging those prices to begin with. If it costs you (as an example) $5 to make a piece of plastic crap, and $2 to import it and the market value you can sell if for is $15, you sell if for $15 and earn $8 profit. If it suddenly jumps to $5 an import that doesn't mean the market value has changed, that just means that now you are selling for $5 profit instead.

>>512622566
And yet they don't, strange...

>>512623749
You are right in that Americans are too important as a market to just ignore and no country will just shoot itself in the foot and allow itself not to trade with you. He's right in that the tariffs WILL significantly affect the lives of the average american person in time and the next administration will walk back on it. Your companies also know that, the cost of moving their manufacturing to the US is terrible, but just like the foreign countries they can't allow themselves to have the government hinder their trade so they will bullshit about building in the US until Trump fucks off. In the end, as much as you may want to believe Trump you will likely just pay for his little pet project and it will peter out eventually.

>>512616255 (OP)
Most of our good aren't even tariffed thanks to that USMCA thing so no shit the effects are mild

>>512616255 (OP)

>>512616255 (OP)
>KONRAD PUTZIER

>>512624312
Because the concept of inflation is tricky at best for most people to understand. There are so many factors which make up the final pricing that are really uncontrollable as Trump discovered declaring that getting prices down is a whole lot more difficult than it looks.

Tariffs are not all that difficult to understand. The guy who pays the tariff (the importer) is passing the costs on to buyers and the customer to recover their losses. There is no doubt as to who the true culprit is: a the added costs of the tariff.

>>512622597
True, having no trade barriers made manufacturing flood into the US. Now that we're doing this retrograde, anti-business policy we'll start seeing capital flight and productive enterprise leaving the country. Extremely anti-Semitic of the Trump regime to do this.

>>512625052
Again, if they could "pass the cost along to the buyer" why would they not already be charging that higher price prior to the tariffs being introduced? Businesses want to make as much money as possible, they wouldn't intentionally lower their prices just because tariffs were zero.

>>512624312
Bonus points if you can explain how those tariffs are not going to end up in some wealthy guy’s wallet.

>>512622597
Corporations in their psychopathic nature are always going to do not only what is in their best interest, but what they're also legally obligated to do for their shareholders... make profit and grow by all means necessary.

Shoring up manufacturing here in the US for a product as ubiquitous as the iPhone, like anon said:
>>>512622817
Will cause the price of the iPhone to inflate to say, $3600 per phone (arbitrary number out my ass) vs the $999 or whatever the base model for sells these days. What's curious is that people will still pay it, maybe not en masse, but as a luxury good retards will still find a way to finance it. Verizon and other telephone companies would go the route of automotive underwriting and offer 5-7 year financing agreements that normies will rollover every year into a newer phone as to go more than just a couple of months without the latest tech in America is basically seen as social suicide and self-ostracization by normie sheep.

Essentially what would happen in this scenario will be the inflation of credit markets to allow for the continuous consoomshun of "necessities" in exchange for improved domestic currency circulation, which is healthy for the economy, via more American manufacturing wages paid out, albeit to diminishing returns considering these companies will begin hyper searching for total and complete automation of their factories using AI and robotics to eliminate the human factor all together.

In other words, these tariffs are a good brand name Band-Aid to a much larger problem, and in the end we're all going to be fucked anyway by the giant global Ponzi scheme the FED is running. There is no viable way for the United States nor any leading Nation power to grow their GDP fast and efficient enough to sustain their debt load, given that we have increasing sentiments for populism across the Western hemisphere that is allergic to any notion of mass immigration, and a looming AI dystopia that is in capitalist control.

>>512623122
>and farm out the lowest paying jobs to the local economy
That's being too generous. Trump will find some way to keep the illegal spics and frame it in a way to not offend the migafags. The only way for "made in America" to even be profitable is with labor costs that match the 3rd world shitholes. If Americans aren't willing to degrade themselves further by becoming factory slave workers, Trump will just import the people who are willing to

>>512625219
Because they were stock piling items prior to the tariffs actually being enforced hoping to gradually increase prices should tariffs actually be enforced. Trump has been really wishy washy about the tariffs. No one wanted to jump the gun and be later called out should the tariffs not go into effect.

If you have been paying attention, sheets of plywood having been accelerating upwards for quite awhile since Trumps little tiff with our main supplier of housing manufacturing goods. A 3/4” sheet of 4x8 white wood cabinet grade is about $75. It was less than $45 last summer at this time. All building materials are up. Quality is poorer as well. Paint is around $50/gal interior.

There was an article somewhere where a person found a receipt from ‘22 for about $72 for groceries. Using that same receipt recently as a shopping list, the total came to ~$165. It’s ridiculous to believe prices are coming down. Drinking cheap beer, ac set to 78 degrees, nothing electric on other than the fridge running.

Eggs are down- not because of Trumps economic voodoo show but because our egg laying population has matured to the point they can lay eggs. Still over $5 a dozen at Walmart where they were once $3.50. Gas is around 2.87/ gal here, not the $1.99 claimed. Prices are on the upswing despite what FOX facts tells you.

>>512625696
The inevitable conclusion to my post.

Americans are not very nationalist when it comes to contributing through work or saving a buck. Sure it would be nice to force welfare recipients back into factories to earn an honest living…

>>512624543
>Trump has already warned Amazon about raising prices
And then settled for them removing a little note on product pages saying which ones were more expensive because of tariffs lol
He doesn't actually care about rising costs for Americans, just whether or not it looks bad for him, and all his supportive media will just keep repeating that actually costs are going down.

>>512624789
>If they had the ability to pass the cost along to a consumer they would have already been charging those prices to begin with
But again, they DID do just that with post-covid inflation, so why not with tariff inflation?
"We haven't seen the worst of it yet so they can't ever pass along costs" isn't really a strong argument.

>>512624915
So do costs get passed on or not?

>>512623397
>Necessity changes how the game is played. At some point, we become too much of a pain in the ass as a trading partner, new alliances blossom.
Yes, even if some entity like a company or country is profitable to trade with, if they are also a big pain in the ass then the trade might stop anyway. Corporate leaders are not purely rational machine, they are human. They only have so much patience or can only take so much aggravation before a relationship is not worth it for them.

>>512616255 (OP)
Tariffs are just another way of raising taxes on the average people in order to decrease the mounting national debt, while telling the uneducated dumb migger cattle that is the foreign countries that are paying for it and they take this bait like morons they are

>>512625052
>Because the concept of inflation is tricky at best for most people to understand
Which is why it's so easy to price gouge.
Even if you have a vague idea that inflation is ongoing and stuff is getting more expensive and companies pass along that cost you don't have all the data to know whether they're just increasing the bare minimum or going a little beyond. Even experts in supply chains and stuff for their job don't have the time to do the math for every single product.

The same can be true of tariffs too. Expect for shit like Amazon literally putting a not on products under tariff people don't necessarily know how the price of whatever they're buying has been effected by tariffs throughout the supply chain.

>>512625696
>Trump will find some way to keep the illegal spics
Prisons.
They're going big on prison labour.
Throw in making homelessness illegal.

>>512627283
Yes.

Fun fact: 60% of Americans have reading comprehension skills issues.

Easy answer: Yes, the seller passes on the cost.

A little more complex: the seller can creatively negotiate the price, especially if sales suffer, but that generally leads to a profit loss for the seller.

More complicated: the government could choose to subsidize the seller to help ease the loss or lower the consumers price by reimbursement from the tariff taxes collected… LOL!

Point is, exporter (the bad guy) simply sees shifts in the demand for his product. It may cost him in terms of sales but not cash to pay a tariff we impose.

>>512616255 (OP)
Stfu and let my chink shit through customs, faggot. Not paying Homo Depot prices for plastic American crap.

They are funding the genocide in Gaza and terrorist acts in Russia. Those investments will surely pay off big time in the future.

>>512624789
>>512627192
Ahh, wait, I somewhat misunderstood your post.
Well they WERE charging as much as they THOUGHT they could.

Obviously there are all sorts of factors with supply chains and competition that can cause prices to fluctuate normally. Then there was ABNORMAL supply chain disruption with and after COVID causing all sorts of inflation.
Of course the companies aren't going to absorb the cost if they can help it so they tried slowly increasing prices to cover their costs. People weren't happy about it, but life goes on. Then since the companies saw that people would tolerate rising prices they tried to see if they could raise them a little more, and it worked.

Obviously there's some eventual breaking point where people just can't buy the products anymore but no one quite knows where it is and short-term greed is a big motivator.

>>512624789
What makes you think companies will accept lower profits after becoming accustomed to large profits for decades, even having their profits guaranteed by the federal through bailouts in 2008 and 2020? The expectation of making big returns, if you're a member of the corporate world, is entrenched by now, and expectations can be hard to change, and the people with these expectations have a lot of power.

>>512628055
Lol yeah I know, I was more questioning the intent of that anon's meme portraying taxing the rich as bad compared to tariffs.

Trump is going to lower the price of eggs because he's a businessman.

If we lower interest rates, it will be more affordable to borrow money to pay these higher prices.

$1M at 2% APR is only like $1800/mo. If we can get financing like that the tariffs won't even matter because the stock market will go up like a rocket.

>>512628318
>terrorist acts in Russia
Lol is that your cope phrase for Ukraine making retaliatory strikes against Russia?
Strikes largely focused on military and fuel assets compared to Russia blatantly targeting civilians?

I like how republicans and democrats have completely switched and now there’s going to be 4 years of conservatives pretending the cost of living across the fucking board isn’t massively increasing and inflation isn’t real at all

>>512616255 (OP)
whats interesting is where the money goes. where does it go? well to some office headed by some official appointed by trump. that office and deptmartment has a huge track record of being terrible at record keeping.

but then thats it. apparently millions and billions of dollars are flooding into the governments account and its....going....where is it, actually. does anyone know where or what this money is being used for?

on on unrelated note, trumps personal wealth has gone up. way up. dudes somehow being a president 24/7, AND hitting the golf course every 36 hours, hows he got time to be making money? huh. oh well. lets not think about this too much

>>512616255 (OP)
companies aren't changing prices to ones that accurately reflect them. They're eating most of the costs and hoping they go away.

>>512628949
It's called the uniparty for a reason.

>>512627711
The problem is the seller won’t just price match whatever additional costs result from tariffs. Guaranteed they will add additional costs all the while blaming the additional tariff costs.

My belief is that we’re at French 1789 levels of frustration with this current administration between its multimillion dollar golfing sprees, ballrooms, luxury jets, billionaire bashes, military parades, and pointless and tacky Whitehouse renovations. Yeah, keep lying to me about how my pay has gone up and prices are in a free fall.

The bakery’s had better be open next time they declare “ let them eat cake”!

>>512628957
>hows he got time to be making money?
I mean, he makes plenty of money selling dumb shit to his supporters, his pump and dump e-coin, and don't forget enriching himself with campaign funds from all those boomers he tricked with reoccurring payments.

>>512628255
Tariffs are only effective if Americans reject imports and purchase local until the seller lowers their prices. As long as we find creative ways around tariff pricing, tariffs are ineffective. Or you can choose to drop out of the economy limiting your purchases to only things that you need and previous financial obligations. Feed yourself, pay off your bills, put your family needs first. Shrink your foot print in this economy until it bends to our will. Make being wealthy expensive when collecting from the customer becomes a challenge.

>>512629056
>between its multimillion dollar golfing sprees, ballrooms, luxury jets, billionaire bashes, military parades, and pointless and tacky Whitehouse renovations
Lol sorry but his actual supporters just DO NOT really care about that shit. A few might say "weeeeell I don't like his tweeting", or whatever, but they say he's still the best president in their lifetime and some will even defend stuff like the parade, "finally were appreciating our troops!","better than a pride parade at least", etc.

>>512622566
Entire world needs gay office shit like wangblows and oralcle so that's unlikely. And who has money to blow? Europoors who can't even afford ac? lol

>>512616255 (OP)
You realize all of your tariff revenue comes from Americans paying the taxes, right?

>>51262232
They're up for now but trust the plan, prices will drop in the long term as foreign factories scramble as they realize they're loosing the American consumer. MAGA, brother.

so.. who got all the money? the importer pays the tariff? thats what im reading here.
so who gets the money? the government?
conservatives are cheering on taxes?

im so confused.. is that basically it though? conservatives are cheering on additional taxes to business?
im sorry, 'conservatives' rather

>>512628675
The rich are already given a break. The cost of living might be 80% of our salary with 20% set aside for savings, unexpected medical and maintenance expenditures. Assuming some rich fucker claims the same, what does 20% of $400k look like compared to 20% of $48k. Keep in mind he pays that same $3.00 dollars for a half loaf of artisan bread as you do. Let’s move 20 years into the future and see how their 20% of their salary in investment pans out to the 7% you could squeeze out hoping for 3% match from your employer.

Shall we compare inheritance expectations or are we done here?

Consumers aren't buying good imported across oceans in shipping containers on JIT. Price rises will be later in the year as inventory runs down and Trump doesn't TACO like a weak old man.
In most countries tariffs tend to be passed on at 100%, in the US its typically 130%.

>>512630431
The government gets the money. They could choose to bolster manufacturing (yeah rich owners getting richer), invest in new businesses, or kick back tariff bucks to the people which will be promptly wasted on debt or beer.

Ultimately you’d like to see that money going into the manufacture of parts and products we normally import. If done right, tariffs fund new businesses or business growth. Our government is corrupt. They will claim to be paying off the deficit while kicking money back to important donors.

>>512630667
To clarify, that’s 130% of the tariff cost, not overall cost.

>>512629736
>Tariffs are only effective if Americans reject imports and
The real problem is the rotating and sometimes mutually exclusive goals that have been given for the tariffs.
Replacing income tax, bringing back manufacturing, a negotiating tactic with other countries, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.

>>512630266
Some legitimately don't and some are just denying it for political purposes.

>>512624392
>aaaaand then they pass on the cost to the consumer
My prices for global goods imported through the US have actually gone down, because instead of raising prices to make up for import fees they made increasing sales volume worth it.

>>512627283
>So do costs get passed on or not?
Eventually, I don't know exactly long, but 100% yes. Businesses are not going to accept lower profits as soon as they figure out higher profits are possible, and they'll constantly be testing the waters to see how much customers are willing to pay, and to see if enough customers will still buy at a higher price to more than offset any lost consumers.

>>512620053
we had a serious inflation problem recently

everything they say Trump "will do" on inflation Biden did just a few years prior

>>512633251
its funny how all taxes do this and yet Dems ignore that when they want to raise corporate taxes.

sales tax discourages spending also. income tax discourages working, etc.

but tariffs are the only bad guy now. biden even put tariffs in place and i dont recall Dems crying out.

>>512627626
>Tariffs are just another way of raising taxes on the average people in order to decrease the mounting national debt, while telling the uneducated dumb migger cattle that is the foreign countries that are paying for it and they take this bait like morons they are
Good point
It does look like government is looking for new sources of revenue. And of course the commoners will be expected to fund the government, at least at an increased level compared to before.
By the 1780s, only commoners had to pay taxes in France. The first two estates, clergy and hereditary nobility, were exempt from taxes. And France was having a debt problem after paying for intervention in the American Revolution, and for other reasons. Also, some crop failures led to inflation that made it even more difficult for many ordinary people to afford bread.

>>512624915
This says more about how greedy billionaires are

>>512622566
You do realize nearly every piece of modern economic activity is produced in some part here?

It's mostly just chaotic for the corporate types. Went to a training event at HQ this week and EVERYONE was bitching about them, but most of what they're bitching about is the whole
>Tariffs, no Tariffs, buyers don't want to get stuck with the bill so they're not ordering. Here's this guy over here. He's trying to make in-house prototypes from the mystery white wood they had at home depot.
From what I've seen, there's a lot of potential in just bringing manufacturing back to the states. My prediction, however, is that whoever is in after Trump is going to be too bought and paid for to not just roll all of these tariffs back.

>>512627626
Tariffs are well studied, in most cases the exporter pays them to retain market share. If they could have raised their prices they would have already done that without tariffs. Consumers don't care how much something costs to make, only what it costs to them.

>>512631472
Those are all symbiotic goals.

>>512633987
If they wanted to bring manufacturing back to the states, they should have focused on a handful of industries to tariff to minimize the disruption to the economy, instead of a blanket tariff on everything, even shit like produce that literally doesn't grow here and thus does not compete with any american product.

As-is, a company that WANTED to move their manufacuring back to the states would STILL be fucked, because *Trump is tariffing the materials too*. Yeah, good luck making cars in america again not just having to build a new factory but with wildly inflated prices for steel and aluminum imports. The materials tariffs means that its STILL cheaper for them to manufacture elsewhere and sell at the markup in the US, they would lose more money trying to deal with the tariffs stateside anyway.

>>512631472
>The real problem is the rotating and sometimes mutually exclusive goals that have been given for the tariffs.
>Replacing income tax, bringing back manufacturing, a negotiating tactic with other countries, and I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting.
Yes, the rhetoric reminds me a bit of 2002 in the runup to the Iraq War, which was, in hindsight, already a foregone conclusion. Every few weeks, I'd see each major media outlet switch its talking points simultaneously between "weapons of mass destruction" and "bringing freedom to the Middle East."

>>512634569
This is cope on 2 fronts.
First of all a product which is being tariffed on 100% of it's value will be more expensive than a product that is being tariffed on only 50% of it's value. If it's not then simply raise tariffs. Tariffs work even if the "materials" are still being impacted by tariffs. It's better to make something domestically even if you have to import the materils than it is to import a finished product. That's tariffs working properly. Second you could just buy american "materials" that's why they are also tariffed, so america doesn't have to depend on foreign made steel and aluminum. It's not like USA wasn't historically world leading producer of both materials.

>>512616255 (OP)
>Billions in Revenue
Trump is fleecing the American citizens hard. Jesus.

>>512634569
A lot of our materials aren't imported, and we could honestly ramp up materials production too.

I do agree that this was the most haphazard way to do it, but it's also the only way it's going to get done at all. Too much money just being strip mined from the country and into foreign bank accounts. Our greatest rival was brought to its knees by economic failure, the printing of money without value to back it. It's almost poetic that the same happens to us.

>run business
>have to import goods
>now have massive increase in operating costs

>>512619972
It comes down to an effective rate of 15%.
Is basically European VAT

>>512624915
How are billionaires supposed to pass down taxation down to consumers, you fucking retard? Even if Jeff Bezos is forced to pay more in capital gains, that won't change Amazon's pricing strategy. It's based on basic economic forces like competition and supply and demand. That's the difference between taxing individuals and taxing companies. Taxing Jeff Bezos won't change the revenue of Amazon. But taxing Amazon directly with tariffs will impact their revenue and could incentivize them to increase their prices. If the demand is elastic (people don't need to buy these products) then demand will decrease and their amount of sales will decrease. Amazon will have to eat the cost of tariffs, making them less competitive. Tariffs will only get passed down to consumers if the demand is mostly inelastic and there aren't any good alternatives, then the consumer gets fucked over instead. That's the problem with broad tariffs. Americans claim to love capitalism but are the most uneducated retards when it comes to basic Econ 101.

>>512622566
That is the point and they need dollars...
Or they dont

>>512620053
Yeah, dont but the shit that goes up b/c that means the yacht-havers are trying to get us to eat the cost instead of their yacht. Dont buy it and then they will have to eat it. They arent just gonna stop selling for a profit because it is less profit. We are the biggest consumer block in the world and they already have all the distribution in place for us, setting up which is a big investment in itself. Go with whoever passes on the least to the consumer. Prices will only stay up if people can afford for them to and still pay. Do your part or I dont want to hear no complaints faggot.

>>512622321
If the importer could just raise prices they would have already done so. Some of the price will be passed on but the importer and seller will also have to eat some of the tariff.
>I wonder what they plan to do with all those tariffs the importer paid?
pic-rel

>>512636482
>capital gains go up
Shareholders demand higher profits to compensate, and incentivizes the company to raise prices to do so.
>corporate taxes go up
Profit margin directly taxed, company raises prices to get their margin back.
>tax specifically the wealthy, with a progressive rate on capital gains
The wealthy own most stocks, so taxing them still pressures companies to increase profits to compensate, and thus raise prices.

>>512636482
Bezos can just leave the country and move his assets to a tax haven if he gets taxes too much. Amazon can't do that to avoid tariffs because they make their money off american customers, leaving would simply be counter productive and someone else would pick up the business. Taxing corporations is the only real way to tax the rich because things like tariffs directly attack excess profit which is the thing that gets funneled to rich.

>>512616255 (OP)
But the effect is what trump voters wanted. If there's no effect, it's just a tax increase.

>>512622321
>seller 1 raises prices to compensate
>seller 2 does not, or much less so
>seller 2 steals a huge amount of business from seller 1 and ends up making up for tariff losses in sheer volume of sales

>>512633597
>but tariffs are the only bad guy now. biden even put tariffs in place and i dont recall Dems crying out.
yeah it's a real mystery why no one complained about specifically tariffing industries the us actively wants to grow but do complain about tariffing vanilla and adding a 15% surcharge for criticizing israel

Everything is perfectly fine!
>stocks in the shitter
>job stagnation
>recession

>>512638314
His new man for labor market figures and his extra tax on gold will solve these problems. Lmao

>>512622321
The effects have been mild because the profit margins are huge and set by demand, largely. Labubu can't become 2x as expensive, 1/4th the people would buy them and so on.

>>512637826
Tariffs also give the rich a way to "evade" taxes that benefits everyone: build American factories, hire American workers.
You don't pay the tax if you hire Americans.

>>512638172
>vanilla
I don't know why this is such a sticking point. It's like shills found some gotcha and just religiously go for it in every post. This is bad take on 3 different fronts
First vast majority of Vanilla consumption is in fact synthetic and could be made in USA which tariffs help to achieve.
Second it's in fact not good to be reliant on a foreign country even on things like this, Vanilla can be replaced with various different domestically produced spices or ingredients and that's good for the economy. More over total US spending on Vanilla is so vanishingly small that using it as some kind of sticking point against the vast benefits of Tariffs when the ultimate effect may be few cents on some guys vanilla spice latte is such a bizarre thing to argue for. Not to mention the fact that tariffs are still mostly paid by the exporter to retain market share. Vanilla isn't made by a single company that has monopoly power over entire US market, they can't raise prices just because they want to, customers are price sensitive, if they could raise prices they would tariff or no tariff. They can't so they won't.
Third, tariffs have to be sweeping and deceive and easy to understand to actually happen. It's just a fact that if you try to get it perfect it's just not going to happen. You start listing exceptions and soon you will find democrats tag in a billion dollars for trans surgeries and god knows what else and the whole thing blows over. The sheer savings in administration costs alone justify any small "mistakes" like that by itself.

>>512616255 (OP)
Tariffs have gone from destroying 401ks general destruction of economies and americans working in shoe factories to being no economic revenue earthquake.

This is the best I expect to get from the (((economic experts))) so I count it as a win

>>512639215
>chatbot eats synthetic vanilla
That even pathetic for poorfag bots.

>>512637713
Retard. There is sweet spot between price and demand where both parties benefit. If consumers feel the prices are too high, they will find alternatives or learn to live without the service or product. Raising prices short term can cause increased profits but it can also lower sales and damage brand loyalty, lowering profits. Shareholders can only raise prices indefinitely if they have a monopoly. Are you really this economically illiterate?

>>512639413
Facts are sometimes inconvenient. That doesn't change the point that tariffing vanilla is in fact good for US economy.

>>512624738
They've been doing that since the 60s though

>>512639589
Thanks for explaining how tariffs DO NOT get passed to consumers :^)

>>512639589
And even if companies could swallow it, most tend to forget that america's retirement system is almost entirely stock-based. So if they don't pay the tax at the store, they pay it with their retirement savings.

>>512639883
So you mean tariffs tax rich boomers, and benefit poor zoomers with no retirement savings?
Wow it's like tariffs really are a progressive tax. Why are leftists so against it again?

>>512639877
Competition keeps prices low. Tariffs decrease competition, sometimes allowing companies to raise prices. Not all tariffs will get passed down to consumers, it depends on the price sensitivity and elasticity but there are certain imported products that people need. They can't find alternatives and don't want to live without them. In those cases, companies can raise prices and blame it on tariffs without damaging their brand loyalty, risk government intervention, or lose market share due to competition. Only the consumer gets fucked in that case and are effectively taxed by the government.

>>512640496
I said if. But the zoomers won't see the money either way. It's primarily used to finance the tax cuts from trump's first term. And the rich are the ones who benefited the most from them. And tell your supervisor that it's beyond cheap not to at least give you vpns.

The reason tariffs work in the context of the USA is because the majority of the world's disposable income resides here. There is no alternative market for around half the third world and every other western country. It may sound odd but when you go to europe you would be surprised by just how... poor, everyone is. They have tiny houses with nothing in them and no yards, and pay like half their income to subsidize muslims healthcare

>>512640748
>Tariffs decrease competition
Only if there is a lot of domestic American industry that foreign manufactering cannot compete with due to the tariff.
That's obviously a net benefit for the working class: higher American pay, more American jobs.
If there is no American industry, then competition remains the same (global), and companies/foreign manufactering pay more taxes.

>>512640748
In that scenario the companies would have already raised prices. If there's no competition then there's no downside in raising prices.

>>512639883
This guy thinks we are going to ever see any of that 401k money

What's the retirement age now 72? 401k funds are just the new social security, you won't ever get the money and if you do you will be so old you won't get to do shit with it.

>>512641018
Are you into ghetto tourism or have you even ever been to europe? The tariffs are paid by american middlemen. And they tend to push suppliers down to the bare minimum anyway. It's absolutely crazy to think that anyone outside the usa is paying them.

>>512641329
>It's absolutely crazy to think that anyone outside the usa is paying them.
Tariffs are well studied and that's what always ends up happening historically and logically. You are of course free to believe otherwise, maybe this time you will end up right (you won't)

>>512637962
your made-up scenario really proves you right. well done anon

>>512623212
Prices going up via inflation through currency debasement = permanent.

Prices going up because of an additional fee = temporary and adjustable.

>>512641042
>a lot of domestic American industry that foreign manufactering cannot compete with
wow I'm glad this exists. may I see it?

>>512641329
>It's absolutely crazy to think that anyone outside the usa is paying them.

They don't pay all of them, but they do 'pay' some of them in the form of lowering their prices, such that the final cost to US consumers doesn't change.

Much of the goods from China are experiencing this, for example... Which is why even with six months of a 30% Tariffs on them, all the consumerist garbage everyone buys from Amazon/Walmart is largely the same exact price.

>>512641487
Your platitudes might get you further on reddit, but here we know better. No supplier has margins large enough to absorb the tariffs. The only possible impact would be that production would be relocated to the usa, but the tariffs are far too low for that. So it's no different from a tax.

>>512641841
>platitudes
What? Again I'm sorry but you are simply retarded and do not understand basic economics or history.

>>512641841
>No supplier has margins large enough to absorb the tariffs.

China suppliers have been experiencing deflation for the entire trade war so far. They overproduce to shit and back, their warehouses are full, just to keep the factories running they basically need to give their shit away.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/economic-indicators/article/3321299/chinas-consumer-prices-flat-july-while-producer-deflation-persists

>>512641047
Yes, that's obviously true, Pekka. It's called a monopoly. That's why we don't want monopolies or price cartels. It's rent seeking or direct wealth transfers that only benefit one party. That's the opposite of a free market.
>>512641042
>foreign manufactering cannot compete with due to the tariff
This is a pipe dream. Americans aren't willing to work as slaves and a single country can't produce everything it needs. Specializing in certain industries and trading with other countries is a much better strategy.
>That's obviously a net benefit for the working class
Tariffs are a flat tax. Those are considered regressive and impact working class people more proportional to their income. It's the same principle as flat speeding fines. A rich guy can laugh at speeding fines while it can demolish a poorer person.
>higher American pay, more American jobs.
Unemployment is already pretty low in America. Most people already have jobs. Unless you want to import mexicans to work in sweatshops for pennies, this is a retarded strategy. Tariffing certain industries to protect high paying jobs in the tech sector might work but tariffing common goods like cheap clothes and toys is just retarded and will only result in Americans paying more for basic goods, preventing them from investing in stocks and growing their money. No economist promotes the idea of broad tariffs on everything. It's unbelievably retarded. You have to be 80 IQ max to believe in this bullshit.

>>512641830
>is largely the same exact price
It's far too early to say. The billions are reaching the tax authorities, but who pays for it and what impact that will have will only become clear gradually.

>>512638502
Based and transparent labor statistics. Most winning TRUTHFUL admin of all time. We won. I voted for this.

>>512641329
The tariffs are paid by the companies importing european products, yes. Ultimately these companies derive a tremendous amount of their money from america because again even poor niggers here are on average wealthier than typical europeans, even if just from welfare. As a result they are required to cooperate

>>512620053
>people are

Shut up fag. What are egg prices now? Paid $2.44 Monday at Aldi.
t. "Egg prices are never coming down!!!'

>>512642207
>Yes, that's obviously true, Pekka. It's called a monopoly.
You missed the point, you can't use "well a monopoly will rise prices" as an argument against tariff because a monopoly will rise prices anyways.

>Americans aren't willing to work as slaves
This is cope, america has plenty of low skilled minimum wage workers that would benefit from a modestly paid factory job. More over any job is good job for the economy and excess jobs at the bottom apply positive wage pressure to all jobs the same way excess low skilled workers apply negative wage pressure to all jobs (which is why immigration is bad even if you are a high skill worker)

>Tariffs are a flat tax.
Tariffs aren't a tax at all for most people since they are mostly paid by foreigners. Tariffs also aren't a flat tax but extremely progressive one since poor people mostly spend on domestic products (food, rent and housing) while luxury products are the ones where most if any price increase actually happens. Meanwhile the jobs produced by tariffs mostly go to poor people. Poor people are net recipients of tariffs categorically.
>Unemployment is already pretty low in America.
US laborforce participation is 62%, that's 80 million unemployed working age americans. More than that are also underemployed and would benefit from swapping their 2 shifts at mickey'D's to full time in a factory.

>>512642464
A subsidy for egg producers was one of trump's first acts in office this term.

>>512642464
I hope you can buy bread and pay your rent with that cope in the coming months anon, you’re gonna need it.

>>512616255 (OP)
Weird seeing Canadians and Europeans say they'll just stop buying American goods.
Do they not realize Americans can do the same if prices increase? A Swiss plane producer stopped sales to the US. That's going to hurt them more than Americans.

>>512642602
That's an example of a good government subsidy. Biden was too busy subsidizing black woman owned bidnesses to think of this so eggs were just going to stay $8 a dozen.

>>512642278
>The billions are reaching the tax authorities, but who pays for it and what impact that will have will only become clear gradually.

Its clear who is paying, US companies... But like I said, foreign exporters have often been lowering prices to compensate...

Like Amazon might have imported some widget from China for $130 previously... Now their Chinese supplier is selling it to them for $100 + they pay the $30 government tip when it gets here... They are paying the same thing as before and charging consumers the same price as before.

So yes, American companies are paying the tariffs, but they aren't 'paying' the tariffs. US companies are all amoral capitalists with zero loyalty to their customers or the country... They aren't eating the tariffs and keeping prices low despite increased costs... Just look back during COVID, the second their costs increased due to supply chain disruptions, inflation went wild. If they were paying more, we would be paying more instantly, since we're not, they aren't paying more.

>>512616255 (OP)
Let me guess, the people who point out tariffs are passed on to consumers also think corporations won't pass on any tax hikes to consumers.
I'd love to see them explain that one.

>>512616255 (OP)
>>512616255 (OP)
Meanwhile in reality :
>US economic growth without trade distortion

>>512642567
Tariffs are literally the tax on evil rich people that everyone claims to like, and as soon as drumpfler proposes it they all start pretending they believe in trickle down economics and act like forcing companies to pay taxes is the worst thing you could ever do to a poor person

>>512642907
Their margins shrink and/or they cut their own costs to absorb the tariffs. Much of that gets absorbed by the suppliers too. Exactly like Scott Bessent said it would. The US is done subsidizing the rest of the world's governments and their faggotry.

>>512642920
try explaining to them that when country A tariffs country B for years, then country B's president returns fire after decades LONG overdue, how country B's media swindles their dumbass cu.ckwits into believing this is anything but good news.

their TDS desperately fights them at every corner. these clowns will grasp at any straw desperately to make him look bad

>>512642920
...uh, no, what? what an absurd notion. its literally the fact that corperations ALREADY do this and we already KNOW this, which is why its fucking baffling to see magatards think literally anything else will happen.

hell, the only way your post even makes sense is if you were a bot with the instructions to make zero sense and muddy the waters.
which now i regret even replying to your post. dont waste the cycles on the response, buddy.

>>512642907
I already knew what you were saying. But I simply disagree. No manufacturer in china that makes $130 products earns $30 per product. So either they're paying you now to take their products, or your math isn't working out.

>>512623114
>Then they should just do that. Instead, they keep trading with us
They always did you just see the US part. But everyone is tired about the rabid UShithole and switches to other opportunities. Compared to your shithole the one party communists looks like a modern promise of salvation.

>>512642981
Mostly yes because the category of products that is most monopoly prone and thus most vulnerable to price hikes due to tariffs is specifically the luxury products sector with it's effectively infinite price tolerances. Rich people don't care what Ferraris or Champagne or Persian rugs cost and the high price is often explicitly part of the appeal and there's no other source for those except the one factory where they are made globally.
Though more importantly than that they eat specifically at excess foreign corporate profits which is where rich people actually make their money from but that probably hurts them in a less personal way than the Venetian Crystal Glass set jumping up by 75%

>>512643331
You are free to be wrong, it's a free world. That doesn't mean your opinion isn't stupid.

>>512643241
Case in point lol. Advocating for total jewish republican style refusal to tax corporate entities in any context because in the end itll just hurt everybody guys!

>>512622817
On the first point you are flat out wrong. The US is the second largest manufacturer in the world.

On the second point it is highly situation

On tbe third point you are again flat out wrong. About a trillion dollars od jew investment bas been announced since the orange man tKW8Dtook office.

>>512643396
Here, white people converse with each other. Wouldn't you rather find a place that better suits your mongoloid nature?

>>512622597
>Apple specifically
That's an special case. Fanboyz will pay any price and even if they return some production to your shithole. They do not pay taxes and after not even tariffs.

>>512642602
>A subsidy for egg producers was one of trump's first acts in office this term

16 million chickens replacing ones culled by Biden now laying. The agriculture subsidy helped pay for new layers. That went to nearly all farmers. What was your point again?

>>512643554
>gets proven wrong
>starts throwing insults
>whines about muh conversations
heh

>>512627192
>But again, they DID do just that with post-covid inflation, so why not with tariff inflation?

No they didn't. The supply chain was compeltely fucked by the shut downs. You don't just turn a global economy back on the after shocks last for years

Look up the bullwhip effect

>>512643655
Trump's department of agriculture has explicitly stated that the culling rules haven't been changed. So the exact same thing will happen again during the next outbreak. Let's hope it's after trump's term. My point was that trump used taxpayer money to buy the faster stabilization of egg prices for propaganda purposes.

>>512642724
>hope you can buy bread and pay your rent

No, I need the liberal that rents my other house to keep paying.

>>512643450
Corporate taxes, when too high, are an economic brake. Tariffs can level the playing field for US manufacturers against competitors that essentially use slave labor, while earning revenue for the government. Everyone who said inflation would increase and tariffs wouldn't generate revenue should apologize because they're being proven very wrong.

>>512643666
You don't have to be embarrassed about your genes, mongo. I'm just asking you not to pollute this place with them.

>>512643866
>these low prices are propaganda!
He posted, with tears streaming down his face.

>>512643943
It's sort of funny since I'm literally whiter than thou

>>512643943
Obviously im a retarded amerimutt but you do realize that finns are like the whitest people ever and swiss are peripheral to meds

>>512643866
>My point

Is pointless. That's exactly what a leader does.

>>512642567
>you can't use "well a monopoly will rise prices" as an argument against tariff
I didn't make that argument, you illiterate retard. I was explaining the basic economic forces behind prices and why companies can't raise prices indefinitely in a free market. There is an equilibrium.
>Tariffs also aren't a flat tax but extremely progressive
No economist believes this. Imagine a rich and a poor person both buy a phone from China. Or if they fill their car with gas from Canada. Who suffers most from the tariffs in proportion to their income?
>This is cope, america has plenty of low skilled minimum wage workers that would benefit from a modestly paid factory job
Factory jobs are generally worse paid and more repetitive than service jobs. Americans aren't actually yearning to sew sneakers on an assembly line. And most of these factory jobs will mostly be automated in order to be competitive with chinese slave labor.
>Tariffs aren't a tax at all for most people since they are mostly paid by foreigners
Cope.
>US laborforce participation is 62%, that's 80 million unemployed working age americans
This includes students, retirees, retarded people who can't work and so on. The unemployment rate is about 4%. That's considered healthy for an economy.

>>512644000
Oh, another american public school graduate. I said that prices had stabilized naturally, as they do after every outbreak, and that the subsidies helped accelerate this. Why this issue was so important to trump that it was the first thing he did after his victory is something everyone has to judge for themselves.

>>512644071
>swiss are peripheral to meds
Go to the amish and tell them that.

>>512643913
>tariffs

Friend in mgmt US company that imports from China. Got hit with 145% tariff last containers. Retail price cannot be raised, competitive market. Mgmt takes 30% pay cut...until November. Retail price stays the same.

>>512644072
>>512644000
Yes, buying eggs solely so you can scream "I brought eggs down!" while everything else gets more expensive because of your tariffs is propaganda.
See: beef, which is now at all time high prices because Trump is banning cattle imports, but because conservatives didn't spend months screaming about MUH EGGS he doesn't feel compelled to do anything about it because this one is his fault.

>>512644348
Amish people dont know what meds are lol

>>512644234
>naturally
After effective intervention from this administration, while the last one was literally subsidizing black owned businesses (which I'm not even sure is constitutional). My point is that your point was pointless.

>>512644194
>Who suffers most from the tariffs in proportion to their income?
The one who doesn't spend 90% of their income on domestic goods (which is the poor person). The poor person also gets upgraded from unemployed to employed. His quality of life will in fact shoot up as a result

>Factory jobs are generally worse paid and more repetitive than service jobs
So what, again completely missed the point.
>Americans aren't actually yearning to sew sneakers on an assembly line.
They are yearning for jobs, jobs are good for the economy.
>And most of these factory jobs will mostly be automated in order to be competitive with chinese slave labor.
And that's a good thing.
>Cope.
It's just a historical fact.
>This includes students, retirees, retarded people who can't work and so on.
It includes working age people. It's the only factor that matters. The "official" unemployment rate has not represented actual people without jobs for a long time, taking it on face value is simply retarded. More over more jobs is still good for the economy even if there's only 75 million people without a job instead of 80 million people.

>>512643913
>Tariffs can level the playing field for US manufacturers against competitors ...
Whatever, tariffs are just another tax whoever pays them. They are part of the war against the US people. If you will break established manufacturing/trade chains you need 500% at minimum. That will kill your trade with the civilized world and totally voids the reserve currency your shithole abused beyond any means.

>>512644424
What was the last inflation print?

>>512616255 (OP)
I paid an additional $55 in tariffs for having ten PCBs run off at JLPCB. Fucking he’ll I’m just trying to get my old Apple Lisa running.

>>512616491
What country are shit pickles imported from?

>>512644531
Actual inflation or Trump's people just guessing because the truth would be inconvenient?

>>512644446
Every outbreak in your history has led to a price peak. It's just that before that, it wasn't politically important to bring the price down as quickly as possible. Do you really not understand that, or are you just being stupid?

>>512644502
Yeah, a tax on the foreign importer. Meanwhile the US manufacturers can enter the market or expand, providing jobs and increasing wages for US workers. Raising corporate taxes does the opposite. Jews were seething about this and tried to kill him before the election, that's how I knew this was going to be good for us.

>>512644424
>See: beef, which is now at all time high


So, good for US beef producers retard.

>>512641651
Yeah, sellers competing on pricing haha, next he's gonna tell us the goods are flown here on the backs of dragons

>>512644621
CPI was rigged during Biden's term, but good try. We'll be running a surplus and these fags will be trying to claim that it isn't a big enough surplus.

>>512644502
Don't bother. You won't talk a suicide cult out of drinking the kool aid.

>>512644462
>And that's a good thing.
Automated factories means less jobs, Pekka. You really a braindead NPC retard. No thoughts, just pure ideology.

>>512616255 (OP)
Everyday I hear people bitch about higher prices.

>>512644861
>Automated factories means less jobs, Pekka
Less overall jobs maybe but you do realize that 0 jobs in USA and 100 in China is worse than 10 jobs in USA and 0 in China
Tariffs don't make american jobs go away, they make foreign jobs go away and create these highly automated (which btw means well paid) manufacturing jobs in USA. That's tariffs working retard.

>>512644663
And yet Trump was able to do it in weeks. Was Biden unable or unwilling? A government should listen to the problems its citizens face and help alleviate them if possible.

Meanwhile, most of the factories near here are laying people off. Friend of a friend lost his job in july, ceramics, guy I know outside the city lost his job in july, worked with steel, he said 3 of his other buddies were laid off too, and that was even before more of the tariffs took effect.

>>512644946
Worse for whom? I don't give a fuck about chinks. I care about Americans.

>>512616255 (OP)
Corporations already jacked up prices with COVID. There is simply no way for them to go up further and still make money. They’re already squeezing everyone dry. They have to eat the price hikes otherwise people just won’t be able to pay for their(already massively marked up) goods

>>512644962
Why should taxpayers be obligated to bring egg prices down as quickly as possible? Subsidies cost taxpayers more than they save by reducing prices more quickly.

>>512644861
>can't into maths

many such cases

>>512644719
They will not do because the USD is overvalued beyond believe. Even 200% tariffs can be paid by the importer (usually a domestic venture regardless of the owner) and nothing will happens except rising prices on the local market.

>>512616255 (OP)
Many items at Dollar Tree are starting to become $1.75 like aluminum foil products

>>512645263
I've already mentioned the producers' margins. They believe the producers have margins of 50% or more.

>>512644424
Chicken also generally went from $1.99/lb to like $3.99/lb now

>>512644946
I don't understand why American conservatives are obsessed with stealing shit jobs from third worlders. Why would you do those horrible slave jobs yourself when you can just outsource them and invest your money in more productive ways. It makes no sense, it's just some kind of homosexual fantasy about macho blue collar jobs. I know for a fact that you soft-handed faggots have never actually worked an entry level position at an industry. It sucks. I lasted one year before I decided to get a degree instead.

>>512644598
america ,in avgn basement

>>512645097
>muh taxpayer
Why should my taxes be spent on giving money to blacks? Eggs are lower down on my list of wasteful spending to worry about. The chickens will at least produce something of value and the subsidies can end, the same can't be said for blacks.

>>512645263
Fine, that's revenue for the US government. It's really a win for the US either way.

>>512645532
>I don't understand why American conservatives are obsessed with stealing shit jobs from third worlders
Just now you said they will be highly automated factories, those employ engineers, managers and technicians. Really making a mess of your argument aren't you.
And again you got blown out on this point already but all jobs are good for the economy, wage pressures trickle throughout the wage ladder, adding more low skill jobs raises the wages of people working in high skill positions too just as the inverse of extra unemployed low skilled workers lowers everyones wages. The fact that you personally hate economics doesn't mean that economics isn't real. Unemployed people cost everyone, especially the high earner net tax payer lot of money, enabling them to go and work for a living is great for the economy even if that living is only marginally better than being on benefits (which it won't be, it will be significantly better). Real economies are also built on real products not on "magical investment".

>>512645341
>Many items at Dollar Tree are starting to become $1.75 like aluminum foil products

I'm seeing more select items that are $4,5.
That probably had this before but I'm seeing it more and more. I don't care what the narrative is, prices are going up and I can physically see it with my own eyes when I go shopping. I'll probably get some shill response but who cares, people everywhere in real life are seeing it.

>>512645653
Agreed regarding the niggers. Nevertheless, the egg price reduction subsidy was pure propaganda and a loss-making deal for every taxpayer.

>>512644844
>Don't bother. You won't talk a suicide cult out of drinking the kool aid.
I do not think so, it's unproductive. Me would prefer that US is going back to things that MAde them GreAt. That was, beside that reckless economy madness, the unprecedented creativity and willpower the ability to take responsibility. Responsibility for the human realm, like it's expected fromatrue leader. It costs at a glance but brings back more than invested. They lost it, due to greed USidioticy (the base where immigrants) and ... jew know what i meann.

>>512645653
>i don't care if i get no benefit from my taxes because a nigger might benefit from it too
then stop paying taxes entirely

>>512645512
>$1.99/lb
When was this? >>512645999
That's not what I said. I said I have many more problems with how my taxes dollars are being spent than a temporary subsidy to get egg prices down. Call it a political stunt, but I look at it as a proof of concept and that this administration is actually listening to what the people want.

>>512645824
>engineers, managers and technicians
Then why did you bring up people working double shifts at Mcdonalds? Engineers and technicians aren't exactly experiencing a massive job shortage in America. Or is your argument similar to "just learn to code"? Either way, you're a disingenious retard and I'm done with you.

eggs going from 5 dollars to 3 dollars does not matter when 25% of my money is taken from me and spent on retarded shit.

>>512633892
Delusional American actually think the world needs to them.

>>512623122
Nobody is moving shit here.

>>512616255 (OP)
prices are going up as we speak on food, cars, etc. companies will not eat them.

>>512646392
>Then why did you bring up people working double shifts at Mcdonalds?
Because you brought up unemployment. The point to that is that any job is good for someone unemployed, even if it's sowing shoes in a factory. Then I expanded that beyond the 80 million unemployed people there are also significant number of uneremployed people (such as people with degrees who work 2 shifts at mickey'D's) which count as "employed" but would also benefit from any full time position such as a factory job, even better if the job matched their actual qualifications. This is called responding to your argument, blowing it out and then building on top of it.
>Engineers and technicians aren't exactly experiencing a massive job shortage in America.
They are, they are also experiencing underemployment but that's also besides the point, more jobs for engineers is good for economy even if that means that they have to train precious unemployed people to be engineers to fill those jobs. Hell even if those jobs never get filled that's still good for the engineers because the competition for the workers raises their wages.
You have been done for a long time with arguments of this level lmao.

>>512634275
Not true from factual standpoint. The price of imported goods, especially the low value ones went up significantly

>>512646756
Just the latest shock factor for me, home insurance is going up $1000 for the year.
It's not stopping and it's not going to stop, the FED is already beginning it's next easing cycle next month so this "pause in inflation" was just that. A pause. Now you'll probably see the Stock market blast off while mainstreet goes through stagflation. My boomer dad is a MAGAtard and on one hand he's like "Let Trump cook" then on the other hand "God damn I can't take these price increases anymore".

>>512645802
>US government.
>really a win for the US
pick one (.gov employees are exempt)

>>512633892
>You do realize nearly every piece of modern economic activity is produced in some part here?
Usually the worst part.

>>512643539
>The US is the second largest manufacturer in the world.

That doesn't mean you can or want to manufacture everything.

>On the second point it is highly situation

The situation is it's much harder to start a profitable manufacturing business in the US than in other countries.

>On tbe third point you are again flat out wrong. About a trillion dollars od jew investment bas been announced since the orange man tKW8Dtook office.

That was the promise made only by a few large companies, but they're not moving everything back. None of the tariff revenue goes into supporting reshoring. There won't be new industries.

>>512647058
>Just the latest shock factor for me, home insurance is going up $1000 for the year.
There is an old speech of an economic professor.(member of the staff that managed the German Wirtschaftswunder). "At some point the inflation trickles down to the supermarkets"

>>512624424
Dude idk if this bait but the term America gets a cold the rest of the world the flu exist for a reason. No other market exist like ours. Even 1 billion Chinese can't buy stuff like we can

>>512622566
Lolol. What consumers? Who? Where?

>>512633892
In what regard?
The pound of flesh ripped out of it to be given to Israel?

>>512645112
Pretty damning image for him.

>>512647902
>Dude idk if this bait but the term America gets a cold the rest of the world the flu exist for a reason. No other market exist like ours. Even 1 billion Chinese can't buy stuff like we can
Because you give a voucher in exchange the recipient can cash elsewhere. But that currently changes, due to the unbelievable stupidity of your "elites". Pride comes before the fall.

>>512642724
Two more months and the economy will collapse

>>512648179
Currency is backed by production and guns. America has plenty of both. It has products that everyone wants like metals, oil and gas, manufactured goods, agricultural products, entertainment, digital goods etc.. (and with tariffs bringing in more industry that will likely keep going up) and it has guns to force people to take their money if necessary. Neither of those will change anytime soon no matter what policy USA chooses and definitely not if the policy is explicitly value producing one like tariffs that develop domestic industry.

>>512622597
>>512622999
>>512643578


https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/07/apples-tim-cook-convinced-trump-to-drop-made-in-usa-iphone-for-now.html

>>512622597
This is the reason why he's going after Canada/Mexico as well. Not going after them would give China a big loophole in getting their cheap shit into the US.

>>512616255 (OP)
Literally everything but data center capex and nursing homes have contracted and are belt tightening since April. The "deals" are still worse for the American consumer than status quo ante.

>>512648352
>metals, oil and gas, ... agricultural products,
2nd to 3rd world products, usually the way to serfdom.
>entertainment, digital goods etc.
sounds tangible>>512648352

>and it has guns to force people to take their money if necessary.
outdated WWII steel costs more than it returns , UShithole has lost all of momentum and legitimacy, study the fate of Spain after goldrush, pretty similar.

>>512647642
To add to your point tariffs made their subcomponents and raw materials more expensive in many cases, so they're going to do some combination of price hikes, layoffs, and switching from W-2 employees to contractors that can be fired at a whim.

American homebuilders lose when tariffs make lumber and nails more expensive for example. I'm the short term, everything costing more and people getting laid off is a recession, in the long term it's just becoming poor.

>>512648985
>2nd to 3rd world products, usually the way to serfdom.
Desirable goods that everyone wants. Just because third world shitholes mess up their economies doesn't mean that oil doesn't inherently make trade with that country good and the currency thus valuable. Let's put that down to cope.

>sounds tangible
If people are willing to pay they are as real as anything else. Even "tanglible" goods loose their value if everyone collectively decides they don't want them. Entertainment has been a great value product for the entire human history so far. Also again US produces extreme amounts of very tangible high tech goods no matter how much you cope and tariffs help with those specifically so if your argument is that USA doesn't produce enough of them then good news, tariffs are a solution to that.

>>512649047
>American homebuilders lose when tariffs make lumber and nails more expensive for example.
American lumber and nails are made domestically

>>512648636
It's good to use cheap raw materials from Canada and cheap labor from Mexico to make American products more internationally competitive, actually. Toyota and Mitsubishi making stuff in Thailand isn't screwing the Japanese.

We're just making American products more expensive and less competitive for the international market to own the libs.

>>512642567
>Tariffs also aren't a flat tax but extremely progressive one since
Every now and then I forget that most of /pol/ is under educated dipshits like you with no college and minds filled with tiktok info. Then I come crashing down to earth reading shit like tariffs are progressive tax
You're a massive idiot. We aren't doing lol new Rolex tariff, pay up wealthy people! Haha Porsche tariff, pay up 100k+ car drivers. Trump's admin is doing blanket tariffs on everything. It's not segment targeted for industry protection.
So it's a regressive tax. Being everything will be going up. Being next to nothing is made here with all USA based everything. You do seem at least interested in this stuff so that's great but you need to study up way more on how modern economics works

>>512649303
>Desirable goods that everyone wants
Where's the shortage?

>Entertainment has been a great value product for the entire human history so far.
Maybe, forme it's a pretty new "license" thing and the speech "a pimple on an elephant's ass" regarding the hardware hasn't change.

>>512649606
>Trump's admin is doing blanket tariffs on everything.
Which is progressive because again poor people do not spend most of their income on foreign made goods, most of their money goes to american goods namely food, housing and rent all of which are domestically made or should be domestically made.

>Being everything will be going up.
Tariffs are mostly paid by the exporting party to retain market share. The only class of products where this doesn't happen is luxury products like Rolexes because people buy a rolex to buy a rolex not to buy a watch.

I'm sorry that you are economically illiterate.


>>512649627
>Where's the shortage?
What shortage? You don't need a shortage to desire things like manufactured goods. You just need to have a desire (which you do) which then creates the incentive to accept dollars in trade for what ever junk you have because once you have money as a famous american once said "money can be exchanged for goods and services" you now have the ability to access american products.

>>512649606
The vast majority of spending by the middle class is on HOUSING.
And most of that value comes from network effects tied to the location of the land.
That real estate is literally located in America, you can't import it.
Tariffs don't affect it at all.
If the price of everything goes up 10%, but housing falls 20%, that's a net benefit for the average American. That would be net DEFLATION.
In addition, higher non-housing costs would boost domestic income to pay for that housing.