Thread 512644823

>There are still people in our society, even on this board, who haven't woken up to the truth about public school, who think you learn something in public school, rather than are stunted.

https://www.zhibit.org/diemythographer/die-mythographer-die/occasional-letter-number-one-2006

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512205412/#512207515

You don't learn much in private school, either. As someone who got to experience both, neither is immune to the same femwave bullshit except for maybe the boys or girls only schools.

>>512644823 (OP)
Public school prepares you to be a worker or a boss. You parents and income level decide which.

>>512644823 (OP)
I grew up in piss poor community in Crimea, I come from absolute poverty. In fact I oftentimes couldn’t go to school due to the fact I was needed to work the land or simply didn’t have shoes
If not for public school I would be illiterate retard. Instead I finished my shithole school with honors (some teachers honestly have it all to make it happen), ended up enrolling in university for free and now have a good software engineering career

>>512644964
the two main advantages of private school is the student teacher ratios and the filtering out of retards.
no one is going to pay to put some esl retard or an actual retard in private school

Just become a teacher and fix it yourself

>>512645316
RARE FLAG

>>512644823 (OP)
Here's a pamphlet from a cop dog festival that happened near me. (Yes i dont know why thats a thing)

>Also it helps keep Soma of the drugs out of our schools because the students never know when there will be a random visit from the police K9 to do a search of the school and lockers for drugs.

Yes, it brags about how school children will "never know" when dogs will be sicced on them. I hate this society

>>512645355
In a sense

>be substitute teacher for a year
>take a long-term assignment as a science teacher
>dipshit 8th grader giving me way too much grief
>know that his mom is a crackwhore
>ask him to stay for a minutes during lunch to talk about a paper
>instead I tell him that if he doesn't stop being an annoying little faggot I will fuck his mom so hard that she will limp for a week
>he's quiet for a few moments
>"You're good for a person for my mom"
>leaves in tears
felt bad man

>>512644823 (OP)
I learned in public school
I somehow learned all the things they say they don't teach.
>How to do my taxes
>How to read a clock
>How to write in cursive
>How to balance a check book
>CPR
Y'all were fucking sleeping or skipping class lol

>>512645640
i learned cursive & clock faces as well in the 90's
but what antiquated era do you hail from where public school taught tax prep and check book math?

>>512645994
I'm 31 but even my mother and other people were saying the same shit back then so I'm sure the retards that cant read clocks are just retards.

Our school system is specifically designed to train the top 0.5% of the population in critical thinking while suppressing it in the bottom 99.5% of the population, ie those who are in public school. It's called the Prussian education system. The purpose of public school is not to learn, but the opposite, to suppress the tools of thought, to suppress the ability to think, to turn you into an unthinking NPC. And people are fine with it, because they think they are not being enslaved.

>>512645640
Did that take TWELVE years though?
Every time this discussion comes up someone lists the things they learned in public school and how they still use them but did you NEED to have twelve years of your life taken for that?
Twelve years and then you get out and are still qualified for nothing.

>>512645640
Almost like there's over 100k schools across America and some are actually good lol

>>512645640
This guy needs 13,000 hours to learn how to read a clock.

>>512646213
This.
Rockefeller had it instituted in the US when he couldn't get people to stop working farms and family businesses and into his hellish factories.
He also tried to officially change the spellings of certain words so people would need to spend less time learning to read.

>>512644823 (OP)
What do you suggest instead?

>>512646220
Think that generally speaking it's better than not. It's daycare, and most kids need it. Otherwise, the chaos and nonsense kids would be doing would be overall dangerous to the functions of society.

Most people don't learn jack shit their whole lives no matter what you do. Every time I see homeschooled kids they really don't seem to differ from their public or private counterparts. Most people are just trying to get their fill when they can and get on with the day.

>>512646220
No we learned clock faces in 1st grade, cursive in 3rd, check books in 4th and then some time in high school usually an accounting class is mandatory.
>>512646295
imagine that.
>>512646323
Actually I learned from an episode of Franklin

>>512644823 (OP)
>10,000 hrs make u a genis tho

>>512645640
Yes, I was taught how to write a check and basics of taxes and shit in 5th grade. Except they never taught it again or kept reiterating on it.

I ended up forgetting in 6th grade because I never had to write a check again, and didn't have money to get taxed on. Now I'm screwed as a uni student when it comes to taxes and shit.

>>512646414
Self-study of the seven liberal arts, ie a classical education, ie the Trivium and the Quadrivium. Study grammar, logic, rhetoric, Latin, Greek, Euclid's Elements.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512229253

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/508076799

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512205412/#512207103

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World

01 https://files.catbox.moe/zj3yws.mp4
02 https://files.catbox.moe/3t7sc3.mp4
03 https://files.catbox.moe/1cjlwe.mp4
04 https://files.catbox.moe/5ljwg8.mp4
05 https://files.catbox.moe/etzxkw.mp4
06 https://files.catbox.moe/0kh9gs.mp4
07 https://files.catbox.moe/1hntqg.mp4
08 https://files.catbox.moe/559z4u.mp4
09 https://files.catbox.moe/heuw4i.mp4
10 https://files.catbox.moe/n9gpgw.mp4
11 https://files.catbox.moe/zvf2dc.mp4
12 https://files.catbox.moe/a0art4.mp4
13 https://files.catbox.moe/n580tf.mp4
14 https://files.catbox.moe/h2eikt.mp4
15 https://files.catbox.moe/rqbjv6.mp4
16 https://files.catbox.moe/wi5xus.mp4
17 https://files.catbox.moe/ht9noe.mp4
18 https://files.catbox.moe/9ospv5.mp4
19 https://files.catbox.moe/9o2h9f.mp4
20 https://files.catbox.moe/r1bafj.mp4
21 https://files.catbox.moe/x6y9sd.mp4
22 https://files.catbox.moe/65vrqi.mp4
23 https://files.catbox.moe/2tybr2.mp4
24 https://files.catbox.moe/5nlup0.mp4
25 https://files.catbox.moe/kwehqn.mp4
26 https://files.catbox.moe/7rim8t.mp4
27 https://files.catbox.moe/464bxv.mp4
28 https://files.catbox.moe/f2k98o.mp4
29 https://files.catbox.moe/kfoafs.mp4
30 https://files.catbox.moe/xmf1qc.mp4
31 https://files.catbox.moe/2svzr7.mp4

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files

https://archive.org/details/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata_202506/Lingua%20Lat%C4%ABna%20per%20s%C4%93%20ill%C5%ABstr%C4%81ta/Pars%20I/Familia%20R%C5%8Dm%C4%81na/

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

https://libgen.li/ads.php?md5=4c6993b1ce064526838fc9fcfc3e8f7a

>>512647675
>>>/t/1344565

>>512646220
yes. I needed the thirteen years of holocaust lectures to realize why Israel is our greatest ally.

>>512646937
Thats what turbotax/H&R block is for.

>>512648361
this explains quite a bit.

The masses are brainwashed to think "critical thinking" has some hollowed out distorted meaning, but what it means here is very specific, it means the Trivium, grammar, logic, rhetoric, the tools of thought.

>>512645316
exceptions, rules, etc

>>512648525
>It costs money to give money to the government
>You are taxed on the money you are paying to have your taxes filed

>>512648621
What they did after Napoleon's victory they did again in the West when the Soviet Union launched the world's first satellite into orbit. They feared lagging behind and being nuked, so they removed Euclidean Geometry from public school to become more competitive as a society against the Soviet Union. The work at removing logic and critical thinking from the masses was complete, that was the last vestige of it. See here how many of these "trivial schools" they had in Sweden until 1905: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_school That school lasted for 8 years and was nothing but the Trivium, hence the name. This stuff is now only taught in very few private schools, in yeshivas and in Freemasonry.

>>512649258
Yeah I'm heavily considering moving to Vietnam. I just want to cook and be left alone.

>>512649424
Considering the state America's in, that's a good idea.

>>512649556
they just seem so nice

>>512649302
And why people nowadays are so fragile. Their worldview, essentially their programming, cannot be contested. If it is, it is taken as a personal affront and the challenger must be destroyed either literally or, in the current social climate, figuratively by casting them out from society. One can think critically to a degree by challenging their own thoughts and ideas, but their limited perspective will only confine them to relative mediocrity. We need to argue and debate and have our ideas heard and challenged, but in modern times such a thing is anathema. Taboo. Verboten. And so the west declines. Further and further, the mentally stunted populace electing mentally stunted representatives. Oh well. All things fall apart eventually.

>>512650474
No, you can't think critically by just freestyling and "challenging your ideas". This is what we're brainwashed to think. Critical thinking, ie how to think, is something you have to be taught, you have to be taught the tools of thought, and this is what the rulers study, while suppressing it for the masses, it is the Trivium: grammar, logic and rhetoric.

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

>>512645316

Public school is good for people who are extremely poor and had shitty parents. It’s bad for people who are unusually gifted and had parents who took an interest in their early education.

>>512645161
>Your parents and income level.
You coul have just sad nepotism decide your fate, not school.

>>512650474
Also I don't care for your "oh well it's going to happen" attitude. Once a person has awoken to the reality of the suppression of the tools of thought, they can begin to rise out of the enslavement they have been put into, through self-study of the Trivium. You can begin right now:

For grammar:
https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

For logic:
https://courses.umass.edu/phil110-gmh/MAIN/IHome-5.htm

>>512644823 (OP)
I taught my kid 3 years worth of maths in 50 days. I knew state school would be trash but that even surprised me and I thought I was ready for it.

>>512648361
>>512648682
>Prussian model knower
>Trivium knower
Based knower. Keep fighting the good fight anon.

You're just mad you couldn't fuck around on the computer all day and/or be able to join gangs to cause havoc to your local community.

>>512651907
This guy has some excellent introductory material to the trivium. Might help get some anons started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX4qLNnbuL8

>>512644823 (OP)
It has been the single most destructive thing done to humans since he’s been on earth.

>>512651654
Nepotism used to for the most part. You would be taught by your parents and then work in the family business. You were already setup for life unless your parents sucked.
Now everyone works for some company where they have no real connection or investment.
And then it's like a constant restart of your life.
Kids don't go outside anymore so you only make friends online and in school.
Schools have kids bussed in from all over so you don't see them in your neighborhood anyway.
>Change grade
>different class, different teacher, different friends
>enough grades pass
>different school
>finish school
>leave town for college
>finish college
>lose touch with all those people too
>move AGAIN
>THEN start working with a whole new group of strangers
Growing up like this is just never ever building real long term relationships. It's constant starting over which is why nepotism is so much more helpful.

>>512645316
>>512651592
Public school is not good for anyone. You're not literate just because you went to public school, you're still illiterate. Literacy is relative. Whatever you do learn in public school you could learn in a tiny fraction of those 13,000 hours.

>>512651907
>>512644823 (OP)
I strongly recommend studying logic from a pure math perspective as well. I find that some books muddle the waters by immediately connecting to to "real world problems". You have to understand math in its own abstract form to really be able to apply it.
https://discrete.openmathbooks.org/dmoi3/sec_propositional.html

>>512651907
the common cycles of humanity are unstoppable, anon. you can only plan accordingly. teach your friends and family these things, but at some point you must face the cruel reality that the ambitions of the masses do not align with your own. I am merely the messenger, and yet you treat me as an enemy.

>>512645316
>I grew up in piss poor community in Crimea, I come from absolute poverty.
Have you considered that a country that lets its citizens live in these conditions might not be the best choice to educate you?

>>512652062
I'll have a listen. I know him mostly from his video about The Matrix. This video is what got me interested in the Trivium it about a decade ago:

https://youtu.be/AOcy6RHw7A8

Also I recently found this series of videos, a guy has made an abridged version of the book in the first link and a video presentation, it's apparently the same material in his book and the video series. I haven't listened to it. Don't know how it compares to the original book or whether it's good.

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

https://www.youtube.com/@informedchristians6982/videos

https://youtu.be/m8MyllahXgw

https://www.amazon.com/Logic-Abridged-Isaac-Watts-ebook/dp/B006SLZHH6

>>512644823 (OP)
The purpose of public school is not education.
It is production.
It is designed to produce obedient workers and good consumers who don't question authority.

>>512653000
Yes, I've seen his Matrix videos, they are excellent. The video I posted is a short section from his larger set of videos on natural law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUHN3gNxWo

It's a pretty well known resource but in case you aren't aware, you can find almost every great book of the western canon on Project Gutenberg for free https://www.gutenberg.org/

There really is no excuse for not homeschooling given the ease and costless way in which these kinds of works can be accessed. I think public schooling largely persists because parents are public schooled themselves, and don't want to take responsibility for their own children. If you told them they were going to have to go to the public school equivalent of a doctor for surgery they'd flee, but they think it's just fine when it comes to molding the minds of their offspring.

>>512644823 (OP)
School is a primary goal, exists to educated people to play societal roles. Not all societal roles take you to go to school not all people make the cut to enroll and participate in this. As society grew and other problems emerged the used the structure and the capacity of school to use it as secondary role, to keep the youth out of the streets, occupational therapy, prep-er them to their future make-work jobs

>>512653408
>There really is no excuse for not homeschooling given the ease and costless way in which these kinds of works can be accessed
Not when both parents are working and spend all their free time watching teevee.

>>512645316
>I grew up in piss poor community in Crimea, I come from absolute poverty. In fact I oftentimes couldn’t go to school due to the fact I was needed to work the land or simply didn’t have shoes
i grew up in back of shoe. my parents, work on chicken butthole factory. every meal, chicken butthole. chicken butthole breakfast, chicken butthole lunch, chicken butthole dinner. i miss school to make work on chicken butthole, never learn any teachings. i work very hard. read book on learnings, man in neighbor teach me. i work very hard now I own chicken butthole factory, eat anything I want, very rich, many wife, great success

>>512652306
I'll have a look at it. I've looked into discrete mathematics a bit, it's something I plan to look at more. But also I think Euclidean Geometry might be good, perhaps Euclid's own book Elements, or some other source, there are several materials about it, books and online sources.

https://math.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Mathematical_Logic_and_Proof

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid%27s_Elements#External_links

I've been reading this:

forallx.openlogicproject.org

I haven't read this but someone recommended it and it seems good:

https://courses.umass.edu/phil110-gmh/MAIN/IHome-5.htm

But my favorite stuff is the old books where grammar, logic and rhetoric were a unified system, interconnected subjects taught together, not divorced from each other, such as:

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

Old books are the best it seems. Summa Logicae for example seems very good.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512205412/#512207103

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sum_of_Logic

>>512644823 (OP)
https://www.zhibit.org/diemythographer/die-mythographer-die/occasional-letter-number-one-2006

>>512653931
This is the opposite of an introductory book, but since you're a scholar I strongly recommend you take a look at Spengler's Decline of the West. Don't be fooled into thinking it's a "the west has fallen" meme book, it's maybe the best overall historical commentary I've come across. His insight into mathematics is astonishing.

>>512644823 (OP)
I found out that they can accuse you of cheating with no evidence and punish you for it. I also figured out I was smarter than most of my teachers who had university degrees. I had one good teacher who taught me the finer points of uranium isotope enrichment.

>>512644823 (OP)

If you havent yet read “Dumbing Us Down” by John Taylor Gatto, please do.

The schools are bad as a matter of design, not by incompetence

>>512654879
Post Script:
My PhD chemistry teacher called me a genus. I would say that was the high light of my time in high school except for the fact I was getting laid maybe 3 time a week.

>>512644823 (OP)
Public school quite literally needs to be upended. It trains you to be a good little office/factory worker.

Except there's no more factories or offices left to work in, its all been outsourced to indian virtual workers or H1B immigrants

>>512646323
and some people still can't do it lol.

>>512654954
Will check out that book.
Also see >>512648361

>>512644823 (OP)
my life has been: school school school school school work school work work work work work work work work work
its soul-breaking and miserable

>>512649258
I didn't know that's what my parents were doing. Are you fucking shitting me? Only a corporate shithole like this country would allow this retarded shit

>>512654954
I bought that book about a decade ago so I have it. Don't know if I finished it. But if you recommend it I guess I'll have to pick it up. I also bought this back then, don't think I read much of it. Both books I heard about on Red Ice, they used to talk about that stuff back then.

https://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Educators-Utopians-Government-Americas/dp/1637580568

>>512655705
Check out the book Bullshit Jobs. Learning about the reality of work is the first step to escaping it.

>>512655997
I cannot believe there's no free option to have your taxes filed. Or at least make the manual process much simpler, it's like the hardest fucking crossword puzzle of your life. Probably by design too, to get you to pay for it.

You didn't find your wife while you were attending school?

HAHAHAHAHA!

>>512645328
A teacher?
This is not a teacher problem
Teachers aren't even allowed the kind of influence that would make this a teacher problem

>>512645640
What else did you learn?
Anything worth the time?
Or did you come out of it completely unprepared for any job other than being an accountant, or some career that didn't take any of what you learned in school?

>>512652014
You seem to be a very unwise person

>>512657989
No. It's the reality that you're blind to when kids are devoid of responsibility.

>>512658117
That's the parents' job, not the state's

>>512657359
>You didn't find your wife while you were attending school?

Just realized how impossible it is to find real relationships after highschool. Even trying to flirt in an office job would get you reported to HR and you'd lose your job, in turn losing your house and livelihood.

Life after school is fucked

OP, there is nothing so bad about a hierarchical society where the many are controlled by the few. It is the natural order of things. But in this case the experiment seems to have backfired. The result of the mass government education of children seems to have been the production of a race too weak and unfit to survive. The education system is like the golem. It has not only made anti authoritarianism universal. The product of the education system hates the rich, hates his country, hates his people, and hates his gender. He hates work, and he hates capitalist. He is a useless consumer who votes continuously to destroy the upper class. Notice that the more education someone has, the less patriotic they become; the higher the level of education, the more radically anti-white, anti-male, anti-christian they are. The education system is the primary reason why westerners are weak and hate themselves. The result of the education system seems to be our society being eradicated by other societies that have stronger character. Our people are too confused and poorly trained to even defend themselves.

>>512644823 (OP)
same shit with wagies

>>512644823 (OP)

https://archive.org/details/WeaponsOfMassInstruction
https://archive.org/details/TheUndergroundHistoryOfAmericanEducation_643
https://archive.org/details/dumbingusdown00john_0

>>512658200
>That's the parents' job
Their job is to pay the bills and to not get their kids forcibly removed by the state.

>>512644823 (OP)
>13000 hours in public school
versus
>99000 hours of no washing and being on 4chan

>>512658117
Taking responsibility is to learn to think for yourself, which is the total opposite of what public school does.

>>512658985
>Their job is to pay the bills
That's the dad's job. Regardless, you learned nothing during those 13,000 hours, worse than that, you were stunted.

>>512655146
School may have been designed to turn you into a good little obedient patriotic office worker factory worker, but the total collapse of patriotism, industry, and bourgeouis culture seem to bely that notion. We need to consider that we live in a society where systems designed 200 years ago are still in motion, and no one has the power to stop them, certainly not the long dead originators. Many of their systems may have gone horribly wrong. Many of the people who designed these systems, if they were alive today, might wish they had never done so. Consider the modern American. Does he seem like he would be better for the supposed purposes of the "elite", in an office, factory, or battlefield, than his uneducated ancestor? Quite the opposite. The modern American is too lazy to work in a factory, stupid to work in an office, unpatriotic/out of shape to die on a battlefield. The ideals of the 19th century upper class have clearly resulted in failed systems that no one is powerful enough to get rid of. All the modern school system is is a breeding grounds for crime, anti-government sentiment, and degeneracy. Hardly the perfect factory for worker drones and cannon fodder that perhaps it was meant to be.

>>512659904
Mother of all Truth Nvkes. I stand corrected.
Either way though, schools need to be changed. The environment the traditional school system was created in is almost a fairytale compared to today, and was not given the tools to be able to handle modern society.

>>512658696
>there is nothing so bad about a hierarchical society where the many are controlled by the few.
I didn't say that. I also don't care about the politics of it. I don't care about reforming schools and whatnot. I just want people to wake up and realize that they have been robbed of the tools of thought, turned into intellectual slaves, but that there is a way to rise out of that state, but it requires that you realize you're in it first.

>None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free
Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

>>512645401
DEATH TO AMERICA

>>512644823 (OP)
its definitely the jews behind it

>>512645316
Go back to farming. Use your software skills to automate.

>>512645543
Kek

>>512660216
I think that getting rid of child labor laws would help. There are many children that would be both happier and more useful growing up in a factory, a farm, a militia, or even a science lab or town hall than they would in a "school." Due to child labor laws, schools are essentially just holding cells for children until they are legally allowed to work. And getting rid of all the other social and economic bullshit laws would allow, for example, me to start a clothing factory and then raise my sons to work in it. Forced gender and race integration, cheap overseas imports, child labor laws, mass immigration all make the workplace an inadequate place to raise children; and yet they will inevitably be forced into that dystopian environment when they turn 18 regardless, just poorly prepared for it.

>>512659904
>"World events do not occur by accident: they are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings."
-Denis Healey, former British Defense Minister


>"The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas."
-Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, The German Ideology, Parts I and II, 1947, page 39.

>>512660948
>schools are essentially just holding cells for children until they are legally allowed to work
no

>>512644823 (OP)
>education

>>512651300
>Critical thinking, ie how to think, is something you have to be taught
plz elaborate on how that is different from any other form of indoctrination?

>>512660948
>I think that getting rid of child labor laws would help.
Actually it's the opposite, we should be eliminating labor itself. Most jobs today are just hamster wheels which pretextually exist as ways to "earn" money, but really just serve to waste the time of the populace and exhaust them. Public school is a way of dumbing people down so that, as previous anons have explained, they have no critical thinking capacity and will be robots for the state (and increasingly, corporations). Again see the book Bullshit Jobs.

>>512662441
Because it ontologically isn't. Doctrines are legal positivisms, the blind assertions of ideas which have no inherent bearing on reality. The trivium is a method for knowledge discovery in an objective reality. Doctrines are just boxes of content that ultimately have to be taken on blind faith, no matter how much a particular one might actually coincide with reality. The trivium is a system (which can also self correct and self modify, based on knowledge discoveries) for knowledge discovery itself. It's sort of like comparing a particular doctrine (say evolution vs creationism) against the scientific method itself.

>>512662441
It's not indoctrination. Indoctrination is being conditioned with WHAT to think, which is something very different from being given the tools for HOW to think, which is the Trivium. As Brave New World says "words without reason".

>'They'll have that repeated forty or fifty times more before they wake; then again on Thursday, and again on Saturday. A hundred and twenty times three times a week for thirty months. After which they go on to a more advanced lesson.'

>Roses and electric shocks, the khaki of Deltas and a whiff of asafoetida--wedded indissolubly before the child can speak. But wordless conditioning is crude and wholesale; cannot bring home the finer distinctions, cannot inculcate the more complex courses of behaviour. For that there must be words, but words without reason. In brief, hypnopædia.

>'The greatest moralizing and socializing force of all time.'

>The students took it down in their little books. Straight from the horse's mouth.

>Once more the Director touched the switch.

>'...so frightfully clever,' the soft, insinuating, indefatigable voice was saying. 'I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because...'

>Not so much like drops of water, though water, it is true, can wear holes in the hardest granite; rather, drops of liquid sealing-wax, drops that adhere, incrust, incorporate themselves with what they fall on, till finally the rock is all one scarlet blob.

>'Till at last the child's mind is these suggestions, and the sum of the suggestions is the child's mind. And not the child's mind only. The adult's mind too--all his life long. The mind that judges and desires and decides--made up of these suggestions. But all these suggestions are our suggestions!' The Director almost shouted in his triumph. 'Suggestions from the State.'

https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/huxleya-bravenewworld/huxleya-bravenewworld-00-e.html#chapter02

read:

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

see picrel for table of contents

>>512663656
Man, somewhere there's a screencap of this guy who discovers that he can teach himself internal dialog, and realizes he can use this to actually use language to reason out concepts (grammar) instead of reacting like an animal, and how this completely changes his life. Maybe another anon here as it.

>>512644823 (OP)
No I've known parents who fully admit that while they do need to learn about reading and maths the other main purpose of school is to allow the parents to work.

>>512645319
A lot of issues are from bad kids influencing your own kid, if the whole class is studying quietly your kid will be less likely to run around and interrupt everyone.

>>512655002
He just was being nice. He thought you’re a retard too.

>>512664451
Problem with most private schools is they're imitating the structure of public schools, and thus the Prussian education model. If public schools are mental poison that private schools are premium, luxury brand poison.

>>512655343

> prussian system

Gatto explores this quite a lot. Even more so in another book about the history of schooling. But id start with dumbing us down. That said, you might not learn anything you already know.

>>512664451
That might be one of the purposes after they forced women into the workforce and halved salaries so both parents had to work, but public school is not just a holding cell until the children can start working. You would learn infinitely more through 13,000 hours of self-study than you do in public school, which, again, actually is worse than learning nothing, because it stunts you intellectually, turns you into a slave. It's astounding the depths of the brainwashing.

>>512665176
I'll definitely read both.

>>512665214
So you suggest home schooling?

>>512665556
Yes. You can of course hire private tutors for specific things, but the current system of outsourcing to public or private schools wholesale is worse than doing nothing.

>>512665214
>purposes after they forced women into the workforce
Something very few people realize on this point was that originally, factory owners wanted to primarily employ women and children, because they are easily to psychologically stunt, manipulate, and are less of a threat physically. Men taking on the primary role of worker was a concession made by business owning oligarchs in the face of (sometimes violent) protest. Feminism and the (re)entrance of women into the workforce is just a step backwards toward the capitalist neofeudalism the corporatists had originally. Graeber discusses this in Bullshit Jobs as well.

>>512660948
Suggestions about how people should be working instead of spending more time in school show just how deep the brainwashing has become, in that people now see immediate shackling to the elites' factories as a rebellion against the school system created to ultimately send them there.

>>512665556
I don't have any opinions on what children should do, or what parents should do to their children. I just want people to realize they learned nothing in school, and that the most important things to learn are grammar, logic and rhetoric, and to know that those who rule over us study these things while it's suppressed for us, it's a path of liberation. The seven liberal arts are called liberal arts because they are "worthy of a free person". Why wouldn't anyone who is a slave want to cease being a slave?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrivium

And yes I suggest self-study. How much Latin did you learn in school? Most of us learned none at all. Then compare that to how much you learn in a few minutes of reading this book.

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

https://files.catbox.moe/zj3yws.mp4

>>512647675

>>512645316
>aiming my drone

>>512644823 (OP)
>compensating wrongfully imprisoned people
>not partially compensating other wrongfully imprisoned people
>in the same room as niggers
sad

Public school is a union for the union workers and a massive voting block and political donor.
69% of k-12 can't read at grade level.
Teaching children is work. The union members aren't there to work. They are there to be members to keep the union afloat and for them to benefit from being members.
If this was not true the above statistic wouldn't exist. But it does. It is not an altruistic calling. It's a union gig. If it isn't let them all denounce the union full throated throw it out.
Don't hold your breath..

Anyone have any older textbooks from the 80s or earlier?
I would love to have 5th grade and up for my own kids.

>>512669309
The Latin book I posted is from 1986.
>>512647675

Logic, The Right Use of Reason in the Inquiry After Truth by Isaac Watts is from 1725
https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt
table of contents is the picture here >>512663656

Someone made a summary of that book as book and video series, don't know if they're good.
>>512653000

I'm planning to give Euclid's Elements a try. It used to be taught in schools from Ancient Greece until the 1950s. It's not like the math we are taught, which is a hollowed out version of math, this is the real thing, it gives you the actual foundation of math in deductive logic, working your way up from very basic concepts or observations, giving you a thorough comprehension of math, rather than rote memorization, and not just math but also logic, which is transferable to other areas of life, because it teaches you how to reason, how to think. Besides the actual text translated there are a number of materials about it online. I don't know which are good.

https://archive.org/details/elementsofeuclid00eucl_0
https://www.c82.net/euclid/#books
https://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid%27s_Elements#External_links

I'm not sure which level of reading is suited for 5th grade but anyway I posted books here too besides the Latin book, in the links. >>512647675

Public schools were created with the intent of preparing the public for industrialized society (being a wagie). The modern contraption called public education is a good idea in theory. The issues come from forcing attendance for the for 8 hours and nonessential curriculum. If a student demonstrates good rigor then they should be allowed independent study components at least partially. This allows personal and intellectual development arising from their natural abilities. Students that simply lack this rigor SHOULD be in school the whole day.

>>512670530
I appreciate the response. I had actually already saved some of what you posted, but I'm currently struggling with trying to set up a curriculum and I figured having a full textbook like what I had in school would help.
Currently we just kind of teach whatever springs to mind or if something interesting pops up on YouTube or they see something that interests them we'll do a multi-faceted lesson by taking the original subject of interest and then add spelling and grammar for that subject, maybe the history of it, how it works, etc.
This has been working very well for me and the kids but I also want to make sure they will actually be able to get a high school diploma so I need the formal stuff peppered in.
I'm pretty tired so I apologize if that was hard to follow.

>>512670530
The Latin book teaches you Latin using only Latin. It's called the direct method or the natural method. I posted videos, audio, and both color and black and white versions of the book, called Lingua Latina per se Illustrata: Familia Romana by Hans Ørberg. It should be enough with just that one book, but there are also multiple supplementary books in the other links, I'll repost them at the bottom of this post. In there is a student's guide, a teacher's guide, a grammar, a Latin-English vocabulary etc. Of course all this can also be purchased in physical format for example here: https://hackettpublishing.com/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-series

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_%C3%98rberg#LINGVA_LATINA_PER_SE_ILLVSTRATA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_method_(education)

supplementary materials

this link is both the main book, Familia Romana, color version, and some supplementary materials
https://archive.org/details/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata_202506/Lingua%20Lat%C4%ABna%20per%20s%C4%93%20ill%C5%ABstr%C4%81ta/Pars%20I/Familia%20R%C5%8Dm%C4%81na/

other supplementary materials
https://libgen.li/ads.php?md5=4c6993b1ce064526838fc9fcfc3e8f7a

torrent with other supplementary materials
>>>/t/1344565

>>512644823 (OP)
Did the mods reduce the cooldown timers? It's weekend. Less cooldowns more engagement..


30 seconds for replies
60 seconds for threads.


No, more time doesn't improve quality of posts...smart people are going to be smart regardless

>>512660948
Idk about removing child labor laws, but I'm definitely having my kids do some basic gardening, cooking, crochet/knitting, repair and maintenance etc. I feel like those should just be common sense requirements in education. Laboring as a full job is a bit much but learning the jobs are needed.

>>512671890
I forgot to mention that I was browsing YouTube today and I saw asmongold's clip of this 19 year old crying because she has been paying $1500 a month for two years on her student loan and because she has a 17% APR she owes more now than when she took the loan.
Sat the kids down and had them watch her meltdown and explained to them briefly what she did wrong and why.
I'm turning it into full lessons when we start school back up, but I wanted them to see how upset she was and drive the point home that usury is horrible.

>>512671241
Well I don't know really but I think prep materials for the LSAT are very good for learning and practicing logic and parsing of texts. See bottom of this post:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/508076799

I've posted a lot of threads about the logical reasoning section of the LSAT, which is the only section I know anything about.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeamyERJVQLDHH0zijOOpqULKD6yU2Uxe

There are books such as Manhattan Prep Logical Reasoning, and I believe other books for the other sections. Other than that I don't know, home schooling hasn't been something that has interested me but rather self-learning for all ages with no interest in any kind of grading or diplomas, careers etc but just learning for truth and liberation.

https://www.amazon.com/Logical-Reasoning-Manhattan-Strategy-Guides/dp/1506265669

Just one of the threads where we discuss an LSAT logical reasoning question:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/503448915/

Some of the books I posted in the thread are textbooks for universities but I don't know if any are from the 80s or earlier. For example:

forallx.openlogicproject.org

https://courses.umass.edu/phil110-gmh/text.htm

>private school
>homeschool
>public school
I did all 3.
Homeschool taught me the best but I had no friends. I finished studying in about 3 hours per day and when I tested to enter a private school the next year I was 2 years ahead in math.
Private school was a good mix. The teachers actually cared if I learned. They snitched to my mom if I failed a test. Made some good friends.
Public school had the most activities (= wasted taxpayer money probably) but the teachers didn't give a flying fuck if you learn or not. They only cared about the highly motivated students. Everyone else was left on their own.
thanks for reading my blog

>>512672481
Well I really don't care about schools or home schooling, since the latter is all about taking and passing a test anyway. What this is about is suppression of the tools of thought, which anyone interested in truth needs to acquire. You don't study the Bible in order to pass a test, and neither is any of the stuff that interests me and which I have posted about in this thread about passing some kind of test.

>>512672276
I am definitely personally interested in your plethora of logic resources, it's just far too advanced for my kids right now. Believe me though, I'm saving these for later. I'll probably be picking through them and trying to pull bite-size lessons for them so we can work up to this stuff.

>>512672481
>I had no friends
I wish I had better socialization for my kids, but the retards around here are exactly that. At least they have each other and they play on VR with other kids. Makes me sad but I refuse to send them back to public school just for socialization because all the kids were gay furries or into nigger culture, and it's because their parents are that way so I don't socialize with any of the other parents.
It really sucks trying to do right for them and not knowing if I'm making things better or worse but at least at home they won't get groomed or raped.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/at-17-hannah-cairo-solved-a-major-math-mystery-20250801/

obviously genes are a factor here and having parents who took an interest in her education but to sum it up
>homeschooled
>did khan academy math classes at her own pace
>specialized and hyperfocused on her interest without retarded peers slowing her down
>now a prodigy in her field
not everyone is going to get a phd but everyone would benefit from being able to specialize early in their own particular interests with guidance from their parents

>>512673226
I was looking into khan academy but I'm leery since it's created and run by poos

>>512672846
Alright, I haven't been looking into kids' books, but give the Latin book a try.

Reposting chapter 1:
https://files.catbox.moe/zj3yws.mp4

https://youtu.be/Qm5vLsdwjVM

Here's a book for ages 12 and up I saw someone recommend the other day on some site:

https://www.amazon.com/Fallacy-Detective-Thirty-Eight-Recognize-Reasoning/dp/0974531537

>>512672846
As I mentioned earlier I would take a look at truth tables, basic boolean logic, and understanding how to form proofs/valid arguments. Posted a link to an open source discrete math textbook as well. Truth tables and boolean logic are simple enough for a child to understand. Understanding how to form and evaluate propositions and form proofs is the most fundamental skill to being able to reason soundly. Without understanding this, most people will be stuck in the realm of emotion. When they get more advanced, consider looking into some basic graph theory to provide a way to think about proofs that doesn't require any traditional "mathematical" reasoning.

>>512673376
Thanks fren, I appreciate your efforts. I might try to find a pdf of that fallacy book because it seems interesting.

>>512644823 (OP)
I disagree. Public school isn't as effective as private tutoring but the majority of families can't afford to hire a private tutor for their child. As such public schooling is useful despite its flaws

>>512673638
Again you can homeschool practically for free.

>>512673507
Yes I did save some of your stuff as well, the Gutenberg library seems especially helpful. Thank you

>>512673676
I wrote off our printer on our taxes since it was a school expense lol

>>512673676
And how exactly are the parents supposed to find the time or energy for it when they need to wageslave for mr Shekelstein all day long just to be able to put food on the table?

>>512673761
The jews really fucked us when they flooded the workforce with women, I will agree

>>512673697
When in doubt, you can always rely on something in picrelated, the Britannica Great Books of the Western World. Most are available on Gutenberg, even to the specific translation, but if you can afford it, it's worth having a physical set.

>>512673861
Beautiful collection. I try to snag stuff like that from the local book store when I can.
I'm fucking dying right now because they have an actual German text "nazi" book from (I'm pretty sure)1939 but it's $650 and I cant afford that shit

>>512673761
I'm not interested in these cherrypicked whattaboutism scenarios. Most families would save money by having one parent stay home and raise the children.
>inb4 single parents
Homeschooling doesn't take 8 hours; public schools waste time. In reality only 1-3 hours of in-person instruction are necessary. Even a single parent can manage it. Your children's minds are worth it.

The bottom line is that there are a massive number of parents not homeschooling who could.

I'm not Baptist, but Steven Anderson (he's posted about on pol from time to time) has a great sermon refuting many of the ridiculous objections to homeschooling: http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/080215a.mp3

>>512674048
We pulled our oldest out starting at 6th grade and was doing high school level math before the school year was out. We only do about four hours a day, at least with "book stuff".

>>512673697
Some other content I found valuable, but much less heavy was the Penn and Teller's bullshit series, and various debunkings by James Randi. They really teach you to look at everyday things people take for granted and question them critically. Oh these two bottles of water purport to be different because the labels are? Well where were they bottled? Did the water even come from that location? How could I test that in a rigorous way?
They also show many of the psychological techniques people use to deceive others.

I went to a K-12 day school that had very nearly private college tuition rates. I only went to public school one year. The difference was stark then. Nowadays I’m uncertain on how different public school vs private school is. My mother worked as a teacher in a large inner city school district with drug addicted HIV positive students, etc. she decided then I would go to the best schools she could afford

John Taylor Gatto had a couple of books on why public education is rotten to the core. You might like None Dare Call It Education as well.

Also, while we’re here, I cannot emphasize enough how pointless college is.

>>512674240
Not to get off topic but I think this is a huge source of fuel to racial tensions, especially in the US. People will argue endlessly about race and test scores, but nobody really considers the fact that our public school system is *designed to make people dumber*. What might happen to the relative scores of various races if they all went through education designed to make them smarter instead? Has this even been tried at scale? I think a lot of the "anti racialist" ideas of Thomas Sowell stem from examples of this.

>>512674291
I do enjoy things that make them think differently about situations. I actually had them watch some of the old Twilight Zone episodes because some of that stuff has odd twists that gets the noggin joggin

>>512674036
>they have an actual German text "nazi" book from (I'm pretty sure)1939
Would you be willing to share the title?

>>512674427
It would still show vast disparity between the races except everyone would be operating to a higher degree.

>>512674535
They have it behind glass so I couldn't get a good look at it but I think it just had the eagle on the swastika symbol on the cover. It's been a few months, I apologize but I cant remember if it had anything on the spine. I just remember that they had a note saying it was in German and then the year.

>>512674686
I just tried to find an image online but they all have letters with the symbol instead of just the symbol, which it was definitely just the small symbol on the front. The cover was either red or black, I cant remember.

>>512675134
I found an image I took of it, which I will not be uploading because I'm worried about the data attached to the image.
It was a black cover, gold symbol, 1935 not 1939.

>>512644823 (OP)
i was kicked out of school at 12 years old, what did i miss?

>>512645378
>k9
fuck off, just fuck offffffffff

>>512645543
>you’re good for a person for my mom
what?

>>512645640
>How to read a clock

Nigger, you may as well mention learning how to tie shoe laces. I wouldn't hire you to clean my toilet.

>>512646423
>unsupervised children are a danger to our society
holy shit you mutts are mental

>>512647675
>learn latin
very specific skill not used much

>>512644823 (OP)
Is your summer break coming to an end?

>>512649424
how will you get money to buy food or are you going to get a farm established before moving?

>>512652062
>listen to a man tell you what behaviour is and why people behave in certain ways
i hate pseudo intelligence

>>512646423
>>512677540
They need to lock up the youth in public schools so they can hide unemployment and dead economy numbers, it's what they're doing.

>>512665100
muh prussian model... BAD!
surely this is the only variable that can possibly make the education system bad

>>512652062
i must ask, what is the goal of people like this? to have everybody talk about what knowledge is hidden away? honestly want to know. telling the world what is standard information seems pointless

>>512658696
the White race are fucking pussies

>>512677765
Prussian model is bad and your youth got wasted. Your parents outsourced you because they didn't love you and are too dysgenic to be able to take care of their own children anyway. You have zero pragmatic skills and are dependent on government and big corporations to create fake jobs for you. You wouldn't be able to break down how the phone you're using works if somebody put a gun to your head.

Welcome to the stage: anti-establishment anti-intellectual tool #371876, making the world a worse place bit-by-bit! I am genuinely serious though- think for a second why some people might tell you that education is bad. The answer is almost always that they need you to be stupid. Please be a little bit more responsible with your words, OP.

>>512677752
>children are kept in schools so they dont figure out employment levels and how bad the economy is
ill add poland to the mental cunts list aswell

>>512678107
Jews love sending Goys to public schools. You can learn everything about the Holocaust!

>>512659904
school basically pushed me into /pol/
>spend 8 hours a day in a government (communist) system doing menial shit
>doesn't matter what I can do, they want me at the capacity of the lowest common denominator
>call an indian girl a poopoohead (i was 6 years old, come on).
>spend next 2 weeks in detentions because she continually accused me of doing it again and again
>teachers caught on, still never punished her
>destroyed work ethic because the main thing i learned was that work is easy as fuck and I can half-ass it te day before and do alright
they gave me an award for helping some kid, he needed his hat for a cucked no-hat-no-play rule so I broke more rules sneaking past the teachers to get it
award said
>follows rules
lol, lmao

>>512678124
Yea, ok, mutt. You're talking as if you couldn't work your job at Sandwich Slop at age 14 just as well as you do now.

>>512644823 (OP)
This is the same kind of idiocy that drives environmental activists thinking that food comes from the store, leftists thinking that police is evil or libertarians thinking the free market can run by itself. Retards thinking hard-won institutions are evil and if they're gone everything will magically be good.

>>512678423
I learned to code on my own. No degree. I earn several times more than you, knowing you're a fellow polack.

>>512678423
The police is mostly evil. They shoot people that don’t cut their lawn.

>>512649302
we were taught euclidean geometry in high school in my post communism country, guessing it's the same in all the commie and former commie shitholes

>>512678507
You're an outlier and benefited from someone educated sharing learning resources on the Internet. I got my programming job through a degree and I'm no worse off.
>>512678522
You're American.

>>512678597
Good for you for not going for a bullshit degree. Which is over 80% of degrees.

>>512665214
>it stunts you intellectually
Why? Can you elaborate on this?

>>512644823 (OP)
Government approved grooming of kinds into becoming utterly useless adults who get fleeced by every sector imaginable

>>512644964
>You don't learn much in private school, either
Isn't private school system in most countries just public school programs, but you pay for it for the better infrastructure and extracurricular activities? But private does not give a different educational program. It's all public unless you homeschool.

>>512645161
>Public school prepares you to be a worker
this
>or a boss
lol

>>512679042
Again, read the goals of the Prussian education system. Plenty of information on it has already been posted here. It is designed to deprive people of the ability to think independently and instead become mindless order followers. Do you not understand that someone who receives such an education from early childhood to adulthood is intellectually stunted?

>>512679155
Exactly, as I said earlier, >>512665100
private schools are just luxury brand public schools.

>>512644823 (OP)
>>There are still people in our society, even on this board, who haven't woken up to the truth about public school, who think you learn something in public school, rather than are stunted.

It's a farce. PE, Drama, Art, religious education, chemisty, physics, english lit, All of it a total waste of time, i get that it might inspire some to do something, but it rarely does.

What needs to happen is reading, writing, and arithmetic, that's it. Upto a good level and really go hard on it, because when you teach a child to read when hes young, the intelligence comes on in leaps and bounds.

Then you filter them for either trade schools, or higher grammer schools. They want anything else they can get a library card.

>>512679509
cope you're just retarded and got shit grades because your IQ is low

>>512644823 (OP)
>There are still people in our society, even on this board, who haven't woken up to the truth about public school, who think you learn something in public school, rather than are stunted.
No there isn't. Everyone is amply aware.

the worst part in public school was the homework and early hours, in my eastern shithole, you spent 8+ hours in school, that is until parents start waging, and then are hit with homework for every subject every day, extra for the weekends, but the absolute worst part was the factory schedule, we started at 7 and some teachers still from commie times, would lock the door and mark you as unjustifiably absent, they didn't care if you were late because of traffic, if your parent died, nothing, literal brutalist beat down of little kids

>>512681283
stop waging*

>>512677765
cretin

>>512644823 (OP)
public school is a fake jobs welfare program for otherwise unemployable women. In my entire public school experience I had not a single male teacher.

>>512644823 (OP)
I'm already asocial as it is. I can't even imagine how much worse it would have been without those 13k hours of forced socialization.

>>512672229
>asmongold's clip
Ah, so your kids stand no chance.

>>512659375
Depends what school you go to,

>>512659734
>That's the dad's job.
Both parents gotta work, especially now than ever. Back then both of my folks had to work because they were both high school dropouts that made less than $12/hr and those 2 packs of cigarettes they each smoked weren't going to pay for themselves.

>>512660948
>There are many children that would be both happier and more useful growing up in a factory, a farm, a militia, or even a science lab or town hall than they would in a "school".
You forgot working the line at a McDonald's.

>>512645640
Dude they taught clocks in kindergarten for me odk what other schools were doing

>>512683310
By far the most useful thing I learned in first grade was learning how mailing addresses work. I wrote into magazines of various sorts from the early 80s onwards. It must be a lost art as not too long ago I sold something over some reseller platform and I shit you not the street address line was "THE HOUSE IS ON [street name here]". I can't believe two people fucked and a few decades later they produced someone so fucking useless.

>>512644823 (OP)
Schools should become more like colleges at like 12 years old. Anyone causing trouble is immediately expelled and sent to a manual labour program. No more than 3 hours a Day of high intensity classes instead of 8 hours of kindergarden bs. Everything would be better and the bottom 50% of retards who dont learn anything anyway would cesse to Make Life hell for productive people. Fuck equality.

In the Netherlands 70% of the population goes to a private school.

That's because the government funds private, religious or ideological schools in the same manner as public schools.

>>512646213
Explain what the tools of free thought and critical thinking are and how they are be repressed by public school

>>512683592
I’m 145 iq and a high school drop out, I’m extremely successful and I guarantee I’m in the top 1% for productivity, but I would be in a labor camp in your model.
Society should collapse and the managerial class should get the khmer rouge treatment.

>>512644823 (OP)
based thread
You can absolutely make schools into places of learning and growth, but it's just not the reason they exist or how they're ran. Anyone going to school in the last 35 years was 100% stunted

>>512683592
The government doesn't want that though. They want you mentally crippled and surrounded by violent niggers.

>>512652581
What the fuck else was he supposed to do?

>>512683592
you call college high intensity?
like rthe other anon, I'd be gulaged.
School sucks, the answer is (unironically) to abolish public education and all legal requirements for qualifications
this was universal until 1900 or so, it's not a radical idea

>>512681283
>>512681296
Why did they stop waging?

>>512644964
As someone that went to a boys only school, pls don't send kids to a single gender school. It sucks and I still don't have a gf. I'm 27 now.

>>512679155
At my private school everything was always old, underfunded, and broken compared to the public schools. But the educational quality was actually much better than the public school.

>>512684482
Chances are you would not be a drop out in this new system. In fact you could just show up to do the exams and skip all classes if you are indeed a Genius.

>>512645316
USA is different, teacher there is a low grade occupation and apparently attracts low caliber candidates. (In Europe it's quite a good job and public schools are good)

I wish I took education seriously. Learn from me and don't end up a broke genetic dead end who works 2 jobs.

>>512686516
This is not something that can be taught. They have to live it.

>>512644823 (OP)
another strategy on how to invest is to look up young global leaders and in q tel.

>512686516
>weak attempt at impersonation
Treason charge coming your way, broke bum ass nigga.

>>512686369
Since we are on this subject I’m going to bitch about my prior experience a little:
>be me
>90s
>in elementary
>never do any homework and ignore teachers
>still passing tests with 95%+ no effort
>teachers perplexed
>send me to proto special ed
>spec ed instructor doing some research
>get sent to weird study group for 2 years for 3rd and 4th grade
>accelerated testing
>pass all testing with high marks
>still won’t do basic bitch class work or homework
>school works with docs to pump us full of ritalin and zoloft
>think these niggers are trying to poison me and hide meds instead of taking them
>get sent back to gen pop public school
>demonstrate understanding repeatedly with high test scores (actually in the top percentile for state testing)
>still won’t do homework or basic bitch classwork
>fail all classes because refusal to do faggot homework
>figure out how to get enough credits via GED and nighschool to technically graduate early
>dropout, go to night school (where you can get quarter credits weekly), and get a GED that gives an instant 6 credit boost
>simultaneously become drop out, GED fag, and get a high school diploma
Later I went to college and maintained a 4.2 gpa with almost no effort.
I’m full of disdain for White women from this experience.

>>512687729
Yeah the homeworks are useless and is for retards literally. I too skipped many homeworks in all of my school experience from first grade to 12th and I dont regret it. It simply takes away the productivity and wastes your time on irrelevant bullshit that is easy to learn only to prove them you understood something. Instead of doing those retarded homeworks I did something really interesting, far more interesting which is usually done by companies for profit. But they hate it when someone younger those that and shuns him.
Homeworks and rules are for affirmative action apes with no critical thought.

>>512645316
Americans wouldn't understand that russian education is still quite good. After all they do infant male genital mutilation.

The sad part is even during college they require you redundant "class work" or homework every fucking week as if you re hired instead of leaving you time alone to learn.
The education system is fucked up idk if intentionally but it seems like they re aiming to create work drones or slaves. While the ones with rich daddies know how to circumvent this retarded system probably via bribes a luxury which you wouldnt have even if you re high iq bcus you re poor. This is how you end up with retards as CEOs in great companies or leadership while the ones meant to do that work are left behind because they didnt do all the redundant shit required because they didnt have the money to circumvent it.

>>512644823 (OP)

case in point pic related

>>512689335
Idk if russians still use the soviet model of education but this education system is the worst. They put you to learn all the useless shit from 1st to 12th grade for nothing, same thing goes for college to, while the ones giving bribes are circumventing that and are told what to learn better for the exam. Romania is using this retarded system til now the retards in leadership never changed a bit. I think every other ex commie shithole does the same.

>>512689643
ah fuck forgot pic

>>512689196
>Those that
Does that*

>>512689769
Yes that is the purpose to create a goy cattle to abide rules and lack critical thoughts.
It s funny that they left the internet because this was the main element to escape their retarded echo chamber, at least if you know how to use it.

>>512644823 (OP)
And what's the alternative? Not have public school? That was fine when we all lived on farms and worked the land with our parents but now they spend 9-5 at work usually far away from the home and I don't particularly relish the idea of hundreds or thousands of children and teenagers running around town doing whatever they want. Maybe you grew up in some kind of paradise but where I come from it would be Lord of the Flies in less than 48 hours. Not to mention all the vandalism and random accidents and shit. Yeah public school sucks and it's little more than a daycare combined with a prison but it's not for the kids, it's for the parents, the worker bees.

>>512644823 (OP)
vehicle use and maintenance needs to be a 4 year subject through high school just arithmetic or language arts

With private you'll have bored rich kids who will be future little conmen and grifters. Probably some weird piss drinkers as well

With public. You get retards. Immigrants. Stupid woman teachers who are practically retarded. And chavs/povvos

Which ever is more suited to you is the best choice.

Either way your fucked

>>512689973
The alternative now for which the technology advanced would be education aided by AI. I grew up with internet, all the information was easily provided by that instead of turning every page in a book. Just give it a prompt and you will fins easily what you want, case in point. If i had AI back then I would have considered myself very lucky and probably would have learnt some stuff better.
For sure they will create a hybrid system of AI education in the future, AI is going to replace teacher jobs haha

While kid stays at home and there are no bullys. Just 24/7 AI slop education and entertainment.

I honestly discovered much more with the internet than with the school s manuals.
After all of the 12th grades you remember nothing special 7-8 yrs after completion. So yes it s useless and time consuming.
This is why I never regret that I ignored all the class works and every book those retards put me to read and guess wut , I completed the bac exam with high results. I never even had to take supplimentary courses or meditations to achieve that like most of the rich retards do.

>>512644823 (OP)
Do you have a solution? It's a major issue but it's not something that can be dealt with easily.

The real hard shit comes in college where they put you to learn even more irrelevant retarded shit which you will need only like 5% of it later for a job that repeats the same tasks. You wont learn what is neccesary but redundant crap only to prove you are worthy to be put under university s budget or not, in my shithole country they tax you if you have a score/grades less than the average for not to pay.
So they make this system where all irrelevant shit that is not even taught by professors during class is required at the final exam to differentiate the ones who pay for their student status and the ones who get the country to pay for their status, this is not for better productivity at the workplace it s all for money, while the productivity skills are obtained after you work. And you can be even better than the fuck who was cheating the grades during univershitty.
The education system is corrupt and wasteful it favors the elites.

>>512644823 (OP)
they force you to accept obvious lies as truth, which fucks with your mind

it's trauma, very similar to rape, and the victims behave very similar to rape victims

for example, tell the average goy that he doesn't actually live on a spinning ball, and you will see how broken he is

>>512690768
I actually have better memories during my gameplays and movie watching sessions at those ages than during my stay in school. That tells much about the current system.
And i think many others can relate to that. You will see you learn more from non conventional methods.
I remember more about those than from the commie indoctrination facility/ reeducation camp called school.

>>512678265
kek, it's both depressing yet less lonely to find I'm not alone in this shit
>be me
>excited to learn, enjoy school, give others the benefit of the doubt against my better judgement
>get gaslit and lied to by teachers repeatedly through the years
>even try to compromise with them so I can study more, then get punished for succeeding
>realize it didn't matter if I was earnest or hard working, they only compromised with me to punish me if I failed, and when I didn't fail to honor my agreements with them, they punished me anyways because there was never going to be a different outcome
>le game was rigged from the start

>>512691764
Always said western(us) education system is retarded and communistic. We didnt have detention times here. Wtf is detention time anway isnt it against the civic rules lmao?
One time a gpysy kid came to the school with a baseball bat and hit another kid and he wasnt even given detention time, only that his parents were informed about the behavior of their kid and probably risked a fine. I never understood this commie concept of detention time, one of the rare occasions where I am proud of my ex soviet education system.

>>512691381
This sounds very much like hunger games only that the students(the gladiators) are fighting for not to give money for their student status rather than fighting for their life. But today life means money, so here s that.

>>512692052
I got detention for fighting back against some shithead, I didn't even hit him back I just told him to piss off because he had already ran within range of the teachers, but since he had hit me we both got detention because "it takes two." Most retarded shit in the world, put kids minding their own business with absolute mental cases and then punish everyone. Same thing happened to me some years before that as well, except it was even more insane because the other kid wasn't in my grade or class. I got threatened with suspension as a 7 year old and got chewed out by the head of the school because some kid 4 years above me raged out on the playground and sucker punched me lmfao (I was trying to chase him down that time though but come on, I was like half his size and had no chance of doing damage even if I caught him which I clearly wasn't able to). Kid was literally schizo too, he was mad because I gave him his ball back that had landed next to me from way over from where he and his buddies were playing. I don't know if he thought I stole it or was insulting him or what, crazy world.

>>512645316
not being an illterate retard shouldn't be the standard

>>512645319
Private schools and Christian schools are more successful because anyone willing to pay good money to put their kid in school are more likely to care about their kids academic success and more likely to discipline them if their grades fall, or praise them if their grades rise.
Public schools can have high acheivers also if the parents care about their children.
The problem with public schools and inner city schools is that trash parents and single moms dgaf about what happens to their kid and expects the school to make them learn.
Parents regularly send ESL to private schools, and the students struggle, but they perform way better than a public school that doesn't have bilingual classes.
Autists also regularly go to private schools because they're much more accommodating and the school really needs the enrollment money in order to function.

I subbed at a Christian school and I'd have parents telling me it was okay to spank their kid if they weren't behaving (I never did obviously).
I'd have 6th graders doing 100 pushups in the hall if they were being a distraction, and the parents were all about it. It was easier to maintain order in the class and make sure everyone was attempting the work instead of zoning out and throwing little shit at their friend across the room.
Parents caring about their kid is the single biggest factor, they kid doesn't need to care about their grades if the parent does

>>512645161
it prepares one to obey "authority". it bamboozles one into believing they are earning and achieving something by making it unneccessarily arduous and burdensome

>>512645161
it's also a filter the elites superimpose to know which slave is going where.

>>512692052
Detention is when they detain you over lunch. If it's after school it's "suspension", unless it's an "out of school suspension" which at age 10 I would've seen as a reward
I got detention a shit-ton in primary school. There was a rumour if you hit 50 they expell you. I think I disproved it.
Got it once at high-school. I'd racked up 3 notes for minor bullshit and weeks later some goon sent another kid to hand me a note. I thought it was fake (and it was so long since I got the notes that I'd forgotten) but I emailed the head of year; he confirmed it was real.
So I blew it off and nothing ever came of it.

>>512645316
leto
kiwi
.gay
fag

>>512651592
I was gifted but had shitty parents and public school absolutely destroyed me.

>>512693778
same

>>512693622
for me the opposite.
it taught me half-assing things was good enough and that none of it mattered anyway

>>512692878
yah. i got off with a warning after some kid started a shoving match for a desk, and then out of nowhere went into a fucking tackle and knocked me down. I was fine, but the teacher came over at that moment and ended it before I could get him back.
he spent the next couple days gloating about this, after that I swore to myself I'd fight him if he ever mentioned it again.

>>512694264
that's interesting. a very cool way of looking at it. you're right. I, like many, fell for the bullshit brainwashing.

this is the system whites and kikes created. they have literally introduced unncessary arbitrary standards and requirements for basic survival. still, retards on here and in general will claim, "muh civilization" and think black and brown people are "sub-human" etc., when the truth is, the average white person is fucking moron, because he or she doesn't comprehend the insanity they venerate. For example, IQ. IQ is literally brainwashing for the masses. more unnecessary arbitrary bullshit not required for basic survival and existence.

>>512662273
this is a surprisingly comprehensive good read
tldr: The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry

https://jamesgmartin.center/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/The-Politicization-of-University-Schools-of-Education.pdf

>In what would become a permanent circular
problem in education schools, one faction of
Progressives—those who had aggressively torn
down the traditional academic education—were
now the “conservatives” attempting to fend off
radical change. Parents, lay board members,
and teachers who wished for a return to a more
traditional form of education were instead
confronted by a choice between two waves
of reforms, one of them falsely presented as
traditional.

>It was the great irony of the early Progressive
educators that almost everything they did
in the name of democracy and equality hurt
both democracy and equality. Whether it was
child-centered education, the project method,
vocational education, or tracking, upper- and
middle-class students were the ones who
It was the great irony of the early
Progressive educators that almost
everything they did in the name of
democracy and equality hurt both
democracy and equality.
The Politicization of University Schools of Education 13
continued with the academic tradition, or who
received enough cultural knowledge at home
to rise above the lack of subject knowledge
learned in school. Students from homes with
low educational levels or from non-mainstream
cultures suffered the worst.

>>512644823 (OP)

I was just thinking about this recently, funny enough. I graduated high school back in 2014 and looking back it seems like most of it was a big worthless time sink. Day care for teenagers, as some say. And we learned all the same shit that was taught all throughout the years before: English was just reading fictional stories and writing some dumb analysis of it (like some teenager knows why or even gives a shit that a room was painted blue), History was basically nothing but African American slavery (funny we never learned what the Barbary slave trades were) and WW2, specifically the Holocaust because we gotta learn how evil muh Hitler was for the 50th goddamned time. At least Math seemed like the only subject that we ever advanced in and at least had some functional use in the real world, although I can't say I've ever really used anything like Trig since I left.

>>512644823 (OP)
I went to a local public library and noticed they barely have any textbooks for kids to learn from. The colleges basically have access to way more books.

>>512695332
jfc dude you totally don't comprehend any of this

>>512646423
Unbelievable, the depths of brainwashing of the masses.

Again, public school is worse than just a holding cell, because you'd learn a lot more from 13,000 hours of self-study.

You have people defending their imprisonment and slavery, because that's what they were brainwashed to do.

>>512672732
>Well I really don't care about schools or home schooling, since the latter is all about taking and passing a test anyway. What this is about is suppression of the tools of thought, which anyone interested in truth needs to acquire. You don't study the Bible in order to pass a test, and neither is any of the stuff that interests me and which I have posted about in this thread about passing some kind of test.

>>512672732
>Well I really don't care about schools or home schooling, since the latter is all about taking and passing a test anyway. What this is about is suppression of the tools of thought, which anyone interested in truth needs to acquire. You don't study the Bible in order to pass a test, and neither is any of the stuff that interests me and which I have posted about in this thread about passing some kind of test.

>>512672732
>Well I really don't care about schools or home schooling, since the latter is all about taking and passing a test anyway. What this is about is suppression of the tools of thought, which anyone interested in truth needs to acquire. You don't study the Bible in order to pass a test, and neither is any of the stuff that interests me and which I have posted about in this thread about passing some kind of test.

>>512672732
>Well I really don't care about schools or home schooling, since the latter is all about taking and passing a test anyway. What this is about is suppression of the tools of thought, which anyone interested in truth needs to acquire. You don't study the Bible in order to pass a test, and neither is any of the stuff that interests me and which I have posted about in this thread about passing some kind of test.

>>512662273
this is a surprisingly comprehensive good read
https://jamesgmartin.center/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/The-Politicization-of-University-Schools-of-Education.pdf

>In what would become a permanent circular problem in education schools, one faction of Progressives—those who had aggressively torn down the traditional academic education—were now the “conservatives” attempting to fend off radical change. Parents, lay board members, and teachers who wished for a return to a more traditional form of education were instead confronted by a choice between two waves of reforms, one of them falsely presented as traditional.

Early 1900's education advocates deviated from traditional rote memorization and "reading, riting, rithmetic" because they deemed classical learning as unnecessary for the masses of incoming immigrants and rural-fleeing folk that were adapting to the shift from agrarian to industrial society. In their hubris, they condemned the populace to an eternal factory worker destiny, who will ~never~ have to adapt again. They could never imagine an unfolding knowledge-based economy would emerge and gut out of the industrial core. Interestingly, we are at the opposite pendulum swing today, where now the white-collar is finally getting squeezed, and there is no agrarian nor industrial society to turn back to now. Curious, how this will unfold.

>It was the great irony of the early Progressive educators that almost everything they did in the name of democracy and equality hurt both democracy and equality. Whether it was child-centered education, the project method, vocational education, or tracking, upper- and middle-class students were the ones who continued with the academic tradition, or who received enough cultural knowledge at home to rise above the lack of subject knowledge learned in school. Students from homes with low educational levels or from non-mainstream cultures suffered the worst.

"The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry"

>>512656364
The author of this book died because he got vaxxed

>>512646937
Are you also illiterate? Because tax forms do come with instructions.

i immediately knew school was bullshit when they tried to tell me about the nazis
>who were the nazis?
>dont worry anon, they are evil, thats all you need to know for now
come the fuck on my grandparents were nazis and i spoke to them every day. these shitters really tried to tell a 7yo his family was evil.

>>512644823 (OP)
public school teaches kids how to love government, I was homeschooled and my parents taught me how to not trust government. I knew the homeschooling was best when I grew up and put the teaching to practice.

>>512677589
Do you know any Latin? I've found it to be the nature of knowledge in general that "you don't know what you don't know", ie most of the time you need to know something about a subject in order to even have an idea of what there is to explore in it, and as you learn it's like new previously totally unknown areas of a world map are unfolding for you. I found this when listening to classical music for example. Before I got into it I had no idea how vast it is, I thought it was all mostly the same. Anyway the reason I study Latin and recommend studying Latin is because when you study Latin you learn about grammar, not just Latin grammar, but grammar in general. Grammar is part of the Trivium. Grammar, logic and rhetoric are as I've said a few times already in this thread THE TOOLS OF THOUGHT, WHICH HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED FROM THE MASSES, WHILE THE ELITE ARE STUDYING IT. They have turned us into unthinking NPCs, and the way out of that state is to study grammar, logic and rhetoric. Neither of these three subjects is anything like we imagine, because we're brainwashed about what it is, and lack knowledge of it, exactly as designed.

>>512696955
interesting, programming had a similar effect on me
i was into grammar, logic and rhetoric before that, but it opened a whole new world one can't simply explain to someone

>>512674036
>Feels he should rule society
>Can't buy Nazi book cause he's a neet faggot
If you took away your natsoc obsession you would just be a grown man in Mommy's basement and have 0 self worth you think you're better than every single person who works there cause you sit on pol all day it's pathetic

>>512680638
>No there isn't
No there aren't would be the proper grammar.

>>512677765
>education system bad
>this school
>that school
>homeschool

I seem to not be getting my point across at all to most people here.

IT ALL SUCKS.

>"It would be extremely naive to expect the dominant classes to develop a type of education that would enable subordinate classes to perceive social injustices critically."
-Paulo Freire, The Politics of Education, 1985, page 102.

>"The educational system will always be applied toward serving the role of cultural transmission and preserving the status quo."
-Henry M. Levin, Educational Reform: Its Meaning?, in The Limits of Educational Reform, Martin Carnoy and Henry M. Levin, 1976, page 24.

>But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education sucks, and it’s the same reason that it will never, ever, ever be fixed. It’s never gonna get any better. Don’t look for it. Be happy with what you got. Because the owners of this country don't want that.
George Carlin

George was right. Stop looking for a change. You're not going to change the matrix, the machine. As I said I'm not concerned at all about schools or homeschooling, all that is to feed you to the machine. I'm concerned with acquiring the tools of thought which are suppressed from the masses, through self-study. You're not going to get that from any school, ever, because you're not a Rothschild and never will be.

I agree with the title of his show "life is worth losing". Nobody who's trying to win in this system is going to get it. Nobody who is trying to feed the machine, feed the matrix, is ever going to break free from it.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/964648-but-there-s-a-reason-there-s-a-reason-there-s-a-reason

https://youtu.be/xVrMKsYdZ-A

>>512686516
You can always choose a different career. Community college is basically free and you can easily get a well paying job in the medical industry with an Associates degree.

>>512680529
Common response.
One of the links I posted in the OP is this link. That guy says in the first few minutes of the interview that he was a guy whom school was easy to, who got good grades, and then a good job. And yet he awoke to the true nature of public school.

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/learning-vs-schooling-and-prophecy-vs-the-business-plan

>>512644964
> neither is immune to the same femwave bullshit
Could it not possibly be that both exist under state regulations designed to produce slaves?

>>512686516
Nothing to be sad about, there is nothing to learn in school in the first place. That's what I've been trying to get across. Forget school. You need to acquire a classical education, grammar, logic, rhetoric, Latin, Greek, Euclidean Geometry. Age doesn't matter. Social status doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is truth. The potential was suppressed but it wasn't killed, it can be rekindled. Anyone thinking in terms of wasted opportunities isn't getting it.

Watch the first mp4 right now.
>>512647675

>>512679155
Yes, because regulations define what “education” is and makes it illegal to do anything besides the definition. Molynuex’s been over this a thousand times.

>>512645397
This is how oligarchy operates.
However.
What is retarded that oligarchy constantly gets a revolution once enough engineers grow up.
>while pretending to think strategically
>elite schools don't actually teach anything
>and they can't because those are children of the elites who can't learn

>>512698243
>I seem to not be getting my point across at all to most people here.
and you never will
at most they will agree this or that thing is bad, and they should teach this or that a bit better
getting these retards to understand that the so called education system isn't just a flawed honest attempt at something good, but literally a super weapon designed and built with incredible precision to destroy them is something that will never happen, no matter how hard you try

>>512683652
No, that's charter schools, which aren't private schools. Same brainwashing is going on in Sweden, making people think charter schools aren't public schools. They are. Public schools are what used to be called Volksschule, but they rebrand it everywhere to hide the true nature of it, drop the "people's" part of the name, put "free" or "liberal arts" in it etc. There's no liberal arts in a liberal arts education, there's no Latin in Latin school, and no grammar in grammar school.

>>512684364
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivium

>>512673376
5yo reading latin is worthless .
her brain isn't fully developed yet.
It''s a worthless parents trick.
She will forget latin in 2 years since its a dead language and she won't use it.

>>512698243
>As I said
I meant that I said it here: >>512672732

>>512699936
>a super weapon designed and built with incredible precision to destroy them
that's why you have 300 bump limit because in the next school thread we will start at is school good for you again and gather all the diaspora to come to the same conclusion again
at least everyone tends to realize they got jipped

so how long have you all been here. pretty easy to estimate. rough hours per day lurking x 365 x years.

id say 41,000 hours

>>512644964
the problem isnt public run nor is it private run schooling. the problem is that parenting has been outsourced to schooling. it is also that this outsourced schooling does not teach to the potential of a very promising student but rather the capability of the least promising student.

In all aspects of society the bar has only been lowered and then idiots dare pikachu face when quality lowers

half this thread is like
>Learning? Who cares about that. Nobody will learn anything their whole life regardless.
This mentality too is a product of public school.

>>512644964
No private is actually really good especially if it’s small and religious. It’s like living in a tiny village.
Everyone is insular and friendly. It’s not without problems but the problems of black, poor, stupid, schools are absent.

>>512704714
Forget school. You are not part of the 0.5% who get a classical education, the tools of thought, and you never will be. Teach yourself grammar (Latin and Greek), logic and rhetoric, this is what the 0.5% study and you'll never get that in any other way than through self-study.

>>512665100
This is leftwing libshit nonsense. The idea that teaching, bookwork, group work, then testing is somehow bad is purely an excuse made to excuse niggers falling behind.

Realistically the nicest thing about a good private school is 1: you have competent teachers who dont just toss the text at your head and dont waste your time. They pace themselves still

2: people arent fucking retards. Learning basic algebra doesnt take a year as the teacher tries to stop tyrone from shanking shaniqua with his pencil.

3:as previously mentioned its just a more stable environment. I remember going to both public and private and the public school had me getting in nearly constant fights, my stuff constantly stolen, faced with incompetent teachers who just rubber stamped pavement apes through the grades as I would step over drunk students in the hallways.

Private school was pretty fucking chill ( if a bit preachy since it was religious )

>>512705495
The Prussian education system is designed in 3 tiers. The top 0.5% are given a classical education, the tools of thought. About 5-10% are taught to be doctors, engineers and other highly skilled slaves of the machine, and the remainder are prepared to be factory workers. Only the top 0.5% are taught how to think and become "free men", which is what "liberal" in liberal arts refers to, which has nothing to do with "a liberal arts education", and that's what this thread is about, not school reform, not how to become a doctor or engineer, none of that. Forget school entirely, school does not exist to initiate you, enlighten you or liberate you, and that's what this thread is about.

>>512704882
et lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebrae eam non conprehenderunt

>>512644823 (OP)
I wasn't, I skipped the majority of that useless bullshit and I have zero regrets. I also dropped out of the workforce around 2014. Fuck this gay slave system.