Thread 512673920

Huuuuge disrespect!

>>512673920 (OP)
He should. Russia won’t agree to peace from nothing. Only gain or extreme punishment would convince them to end it swiftly.

>>512673920 (OP)
>Medvedev shit talks Trump to the point Trump tells him to watch himself
>Ziggers somehow believe Trump will 100% give Russia their demands

>>512674174
please contain your retardation to uhg

>>512674078
If Russia could take what they wanted by force, negotiations would be unnecessary.

Zelensky can't cede any land. It's against Ukraine's constitution. He will literally get arrested if he agrees to this and his family would get brutally murdered by nationalists.

>>512673920 (OP)
He should familiarize himself with the French national flag.

>>512673920 (OP)
Trump practically stopped support for Ukraine, with minor exceptions.
The Ukrainians have pivoted from relying on the US, so now they can say "No".
Not that Trump understands this war, be he could at least not capitulate before Pootin.

>>512674377
>Trump practically stopped support for Ukraine

???

Satellite nato data and starlink alone is so huge involvement that u can't deny usa as participant of war
But USA does far far more than that

>>512674377
So if America stopped aid, who is supporting Ukraine then? Germany??

I mean France hasn’t done jack shit and the UK is a US puppet state.

>>512674308
If Ukraine could take what they want by force, negotiations would be unnecessary

>>512674314
He already went against the constitution so many times that not being able to break it one more time is just an excuse. Constitution is also just 30 years old and has been amended numerous times the last time in 2019 I think

>>512674174
>literally anyone believing trump will act on what he said 24hrs ago

>>512674308
Ukraine is losing on the battlefield, the negotiations are to stop Russia from taking more than the 4 regions they have laid claim to.

Ironically this is Trump's bid to save Ukraine because he can't think of anything else.

>>512674314
constitution lost any meaning after 2014 unconstitutional coup and start of war against own country regions

>>512674314
yup, Zelensky will reject the deal and Trump will have to go back to giving Ukraine infinite dollars.

The negotiations are just the way Trump will have to sell "infinite Ukraine support" to his base. "Will Zelensky said no so we'll have to give them more money my hands are tied" that will be the pitch.
>>512674583
>only $100 billion

There's no way US support of Ukraine that low.

>>512673920 (OP)
Fucking kike the shits gone already. Go take it back. His job is to get as many whites killed as possible before retiring to being a billionaire

>>512673920 (OP)
He really needs to call up his brothers in Mossad and get the files released. They're coming out one way or another. Might as well capitalize on the chaos.

>>512674583
Fucking retarded shitskin, your own source shows that the EU has covered as much as the US before Trump cut the aid.
This year almost all support comes from Europe and it has increased to replace the US portion.
Go back to your country.
>>512674523
The US was the biggest single donor to Ukraine, now the EU aid dwarfs the US contributions.
Cutting what remains will not force the Ukrops to surrender.

>>512673920 (OP)
The only card he holds at this point is gatekeeping the rest of Europe from Putin, other than that Ukraine is a test ground for future warfare as shown by advances in drone warfare. I'm looking at this whole conflict as a parallel of Spanish Civil war inviting all the big powers of the time into the conflict like a big mortal kombat arena, Germany and USSR learned a bit from that conflict about what does and doesn't work; this is a prelude to something bigger or nothing.

>>512673920 (OP)
> doges draft 3 times
> sends millions of his countrymen into a meatgrinder with no prospect of winning the war while enrchiching himself
> hailed as a hero
how did he do it?

>>512673920 (OP)
I admire this man's dedication to THD.

>>512675002
> is a test ground for future warfare
i dont think this really is the case.
seems like it is a rather niche scenario like drones are basically only Ersatz-Artillery because both sides lack proper modern arty

>>512675069
I bet at the base level they really hate his shit. it's just like on the public relations level people pretend to like him when the commissars are around.

>>512673920 (OP)
Agent Z ensuring THD

>>512675069
>His countrymen
He's a jew so...

>>512675747
i bet once the war is over Ukies will have a March on Rome of their own
i heard some of their Colonels are pretty popular and they certainly arent going to make the same mistake like >>512675151

maybe thats why people like von der Leyen want this war to continue
they fear that the fire might spread across yurop like it did a 100 years ago

>>512676153
weren't there already demonstrations in kiev? they didn't cover those much

>>512675174
Did you misunderstand the post intentionally or is there another conflict out there that uses drone warfare in the same way as this Ukraine/Russia conflict? That is the future warfare, irrespective of having or not having modern artillery. The cope cages on tanks, trenches being less ineffective as you can guide the bomb onto target and even the incident where a lorry loaded up with drones infiltrated and sent a bunch of them up to destroy targets behind lines.

anyway, just a niche scenario I'm sure this weaponry will never be used again whenever modern artillery is invented again

>>512674174
>Ziggers somehow believe Trump will 100% give Russia their demands
Trump doesn't remember what happened 10 minutes ago. There is no telling what the mentally handicapped senile manbaby will do next.

>>512675069
Easy when you control the media and imprison anyone who doesn't parrot your propaganda. That is what Trump also is trying to achieve.

>>512673920 (OP)
Nothing. If he can't get the West to fund his losing war for the next 20 years, he'd rather all Ukraine burn and martyr his nation on the pedestal of moral high ground.

>>512673920 (OP)
Would *put your country here* give Russia it's land?

>>512676456
i just think its another case like with the Spanish Civil war or the Sino-Jap one where some valid but also a lot of invalid lessons are learned

yes, drones will see more use and targeting infrastructure via drone-infiltration will be a new thing but like 60% of casulties being caused by drones is just due to the fact that both sides lost the bulk of their mobile artillery years ago
there are already anti-drone-drones and once they become widespread FPV drones will become hardcountered like anti tank rifles were by armour that was thicker than 1 inch

>>512673920 (OP)
at this rate putler will reach kiev when hes 138

>>512677030
> Would *put your country here* give Russia it's land?

Why should my tax money through the EU be handed to the most corrupt country im Europe, i.e. Ukraine, which is currently an authoritarian dictatorship without elections?

I mean next we start supporting North Korea which aims to “reclaim” all its territory in South Korea??

Our Austrian constitution proclaims everlasting neutrality same as Switzerland… and then our “diplomats” put out texts like pic related, wtf??

>>512674174
Trump wasn't going to give Russia their demands, the US peace proposal was heavily favoring ukraine and Russia would have rejected it anyways. Ukraine also rejected it because they are immune to compromizing, they evacuated their citizens at the start and are just sending in the hohols till they win or lose, ultimately it doesn't matter to them.

>>512673920 (OP)
seriously what is this cunt doing. doesn't he know trump is just trying to end global wars and bring peace to earth? fuckin idot zelinskie

>>512673920 (OP)
he has no say in the matter

>>512674314
>it's illegal for us to lose the land!
Well I'm sure they'll take it into the account.

>>512674314
He could step down for the good of his countries people.

>>512677030
so how many more ukies gotta die over some bumfuck villages?

Finns knew to quit while still ahead and look how they are doing today

>>512675069
The corporate media is complicit in genocide and crimes against humanity.

>>512677366
Probably untrue - until a coup happens in Kiev, Zelensky will continue the war. His only other option is political asylum in London where his billions im embezzled money is bunkered.

I mean 5 yachts, 3 jets… no way he is just worth 30m. Also, how da fuck does a low class Ukrainian comedian get to 30m… let alone tons of real estate, gold, jewelry and yachts?

>>512673920 (OP)
He has the European Northern Group, and they better not fuck things up or they'll be sorry.

>>512677627
He wasn't a billionaire pre war but certainly is now, that + being a jew effectively make him immune of the consequences of the war even when he loses. He will get Israel citizenship and then live in luxury for the rest of his life all the while peddling some government in exile / marty bullshit to other jews for media points.

>>512674174
Trump always cucks out when he's being bullied in person.
There's literally one single possibility for the US not cucking out and that's glowies shooting Putin's plane down.
Otherwise ukies will keep killing ziggers with their homegrown weaponry and whatever Europe provides.

>>512673920 (OP)
If he must, he will personally kill ziggers until Ukraine wins. The man is made of steel.

>>512673920 (OP)
I hope nothing gets worked out and this thing unironically goes to "the last Ukrainian" so we never have to deal with this shit again.

>>512673920 (OP)
God bless Agent Z. God bless.

>>512673920 (OP)
I've said it before, rig the NPPs and blow them up in case the Russians don't leave Ukraine or make hundreds of dirty bombs and make European Russia uninhabitable. Ukraine will be gone from nukes too, but at least it's MAD.

>>512677830
Most of eastern Europe is just Ukraine V2.

>>512673920 (OP)
It's only politics. They don't care about their country.
All they care about is looking like a bitch in front of the world.

>>512677963
I trust the rest of you to figure out, but these current retards...

There has to be a return to the pre war borders and a demilitarized zone put in place that gives the Russians a buffer zone of protection for the mostly Russian ethnics living in the border regions. Russia doesn't need the resources or the land it's occupying, Ukraine does though.

>>512673920 (OP)
ALWAYS PALMS OUT LIKE OLIVER TWITST.

>>512673920 (OP)
The last time this guy was accused of "not having cards" he blew up Russian nuclear planes.

>>512676153
>i bet once the war is over Ukies will have a March on Rome

100% and Ukraine criminal oligarchs will have alot of recruits with combat experience.

We gonna have massive shootouts in europeans city when they will try to sieze control of the drugroutes of western europe

>>512673920 (OP)
He could just mention that the biggest reserves for all the mineral rights that were signed to the US are located in East Ukraine.

>>512673920 (OP)
I hate Zelensky, but he is right. Giving the agressor everything he wants is just asking for more wars.

>>512677725
I had some stupid parody in my head where he and a few Jewish friends are doing Jew dances with bags of gold as that yiddish music blasts in the background as Russians are flooding into Ukraine and they're sending children and women to the frontlines before the private plane takes off and they're dancing like maniacs with such glee

Ukraine just needs another PR victory and all this talk of peace will stop for the rest of the year.
Blow up a wing of the Kremlin or something.

>>512673920 (OP)
the "muh gazzilions" gold(berg) card

>>512677285
>ultimately it doesn't matter to them.
so Ukrainians are retarded slaves? interesting

>>512680926
hohols are low on meat, they need a ceasefire to resupply the abattoirs

Ukraine's President Zelensky brought this war upon the good people of Ukraine. Zelensky should be remembered as one of , if not the most, ruinous traitor to his nation in human history.
Zelensky campaigned on building good relations with Russia. The Ukrainian people wanted to have good relations with Russia.
There is no reason Ukraine could not have facilitated trade between Western Europe and Russia. Vladimir Putin wanted to build an economic zone that extended from Spain through western Europe to China and southeast Asia. This Euro Asian trade bloc threatened the current Anglo American centered trading bloc that Europe now suffers under. This is why those that control the Anglo American economic trade zone always work toward the destruction of Russia and chose Ukraine as their hammer. This is why the people that control the Anglo American economic trade zone installed the homosexual jewish actor Zelensky.Unfortunately, for the people of Ukraine, Russian mettle is proving stronger than the hammer NATO chose to attack Russia with. Ukraine will be discarded and forgotten as soon as it is no longer useful to the global homo demons.
Zelensky had the Ukrainian army treat the people of the Luhansk and Donbass regions so poorly that they formed militias to defend themselves.
After the Russian populations of the Luhansk and Donbass regions signed mutual security agreements with Russia Zelensky ordered the Ukrainian army to continue artillery shelling of these populations.
Zelensky was promised by western leadershe would be a historic heroic figure if he defeated the Russians in a war.
This war is so tragic in itself. Even more so when you consider that Ukraine could have been a lynch pin in an economic trade zone that extended from Portugal/ Spain through France and Germany all the way to China and the southeast Asian countries.

"You fucked up. You trusted us."
-Biden Administration US Secretary of State Antony Blinken

>>512677316
Remember, this is Clownworld. Little Z is a clown by trade, not a wise leader or trained general, but a clown.
In America the clowns earned so much money for the networks that they swapped their clown attire for business suits, their circus tents for a studio and Great Desks of Authority from which they tell their jokes, and their humour for their TDS and $200 million budgets.

>>512674314
yes i wish for him to be brutally murdered, that seems alright

>>512679606
Nobody cares. Here i gave you a you

>>512681057
>Only the Dems are clowns

His handlers? Nukes! In Ukraine.

And labs.

>>512681050
Duginist retard

>>512673920 (OP)
None.

>>512674377
>be he could at least not capitulate before Pootin.
Trump isn't part of the war, he can't capitulate.
In fact the only thing he can do is start wars and fuel wars like they started and fuel the Ukraine War they organized, you retarded gypsie cunt.
Trump is a cause and interloper who deserved to be assassinated by the KGB, like pretty much the entire western leadership of retarded subhuman cunts.
He could also attack Russia an die yeah, or he can fuck off - what a rational actor would have done from the beginning.
The only one capitulating is your mother's pussy to her Johns.

>>512681339
>Only the Dems are clowns
We're all clowns here, friend.
Trump wouldn't be where he was now if he was not an entertaining clown.