Thread 512688813

The people most likely to survive WWIII are the ones who are least reliant on the supply chain for their daily needs. The more calories you grow for yourself, the better.
>muh climate is shit
If you live there, plants can live there.

>>512688813 (OP)

https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Protocultureanddk

>>512688813 (OP)
true, you really need to be at least aware of how to be self-sufficient. The only people surviving if the whole system shut down are rural farmers who know how to kill/butcher animals and use antiquated non power grid technology

>>512688933
It doesn't mean being entirely self-sufficient, just LESS dependent. Like you might find out that there are no eggs or no potatoes at the store for a while. If you rely on that food being there, you might be fucked.

>>512690000
my point is at least rural people know how to raise chickens and how to cater and also know the best ways to grow potatoes, even in a shelter

>>512688813 (OP)
but muh climate is shit
damn now I need to go foraging for cloudberries yummy yummy yummy
they weren't ripe yet when I went and checked the bog a week ago

See that little pickle in the bottom right? Free lemon candy anywhere in the midwest

If you run into these water and help them out, they grow wild and do great but do it

>>512690231
Damn, you have a patch nearby? Lucky bastard

>>512690285
What's it called?

>>512690000
yeah I like the "60%" ideal. Stuff like wheat(flour) and cows (meat and milk) isn't really viable for a homestead and you could just buy those things but then have chickens and a potato patch for example.
>>512690319
they grow in the entire country, mostly around bogs/wetland. but I foraged for bilberries(european blueberry) and mushrooms instead.

>>512690370
Slender yellow woodsorrel.
Other names include: Southern woodsorrel, Common yellow woodsorrel, and Sussex yellow sorrel.

Leaves are mildly toxic if eaten in large quantities, it is toxic to cats and dogs. What is the toxin? Citric acid.

>>512690653
>aka "lemon clover"
It's a really cute plant.

What do if you live in a suburb with an HOA?

>>512690993
kill yourself

>>512690993
then be white and move out
>I'm brown
then you moved there on purpose to be around white people

>>512690905
Nice, wasn't aware of that name as I'm unfamiliar with this plant. I've been using an app on my phone when I'm exploring wilderness areas to find out what grows locally and what is edible. Used to have a grandfather who could point out nearly all vegetation and know what it was. I want to know as much as he did.

>>512690993
What does the hoa agreement say?

Also if you forage and fish as well you can get lots of calories for free. My "dream" would be to have a small homestead where I grow 60% of my caloric intake then forage and fish for 20% and the rest I would buy, especially bulk items like flour.
>>512690993
Idk how they work, are they really that strict? even in the backgarden if you have one? I doubt they ban flowers etc. you could plant herbs and stuff like that and just say they are flowers.

>>512691264
There are all sorts of edible ornamentals

>>512688813 (OP)
Growing bugs is by far the most economical and practical way to farm protein, especially when the vast majority of people will not have the 5+ acres per person of land to cultivate just for grain much less chickens, pigs, goats, or cattle.

>>512691536
I would rather raise shellfish

>>512691536
Get the fuck out of here, Klauss. Actual human beings are having a discussion here.

>>512691661
Grow ze bugs and then give them to your chickems

Snails are pretty good, but I'd rather eat squid or octopus.

Any experience with Rubus illecebrosus?
I planted them as a curiosity several years ago. All it can do is propagate wildly, but fruits taste like nothing.
I tried 2:1:1 NPK with MgO but all it did was encouraging its growth.

>>512691861
>pic
reminds me beekeeping is another thing you can do. You could have just one hive and it will help the plants you grow and you get free honey as well. Win-win. Like an apple tree + beehive is relatively low-maintenance and don't take up a lot of space and produces lots of calories

>>512692216
Never heard of it. Looks cool, though.

>>512692268
You should give your bees as broad a variety of food sources as possible. Just like you don't want to harvest everything at once, neither do they.

>>512692344 checked
Well, looks aren't everything :)
It's a perfect area denial crop. The hooks it has are small and numerous enough to be able to catch to anything, including bare skin. Untangling is almost impossible without some topical blood offerings.
IDK why the fruits are like that, I haven't noticed any pests apart from usual snail infantry.

>>512690464
Honestly, they're way better than blueberries. Bilberries have those tasty colour compounds through the entire fruit instead of just the skin.

>>512690370
Sourgrass

That said I’m a huge problem for the government so they keep changing the name I know it sounds stupid but google sourgrass

>>512692924
You should plant more varieties of rubus that flower at the same time nearby.

>>512690653
>>512693124

Literally one year ago you google it and it was sourgrass

I wrote an article on it and it Doahsifiajak ieiaosjrjen now. Fuck off

>>512693179
Plants have many names.
Saskatoons are also called serviceberry, juneberry, shadbush and amélanchier.

My goal currently is to buy and pay off a home as quickly as possible, and then take a loan out on land/a homestead, rent out house 1, and work as a welder whenever I need money for property tax or supplies, and with my free time start farming, gardening, hunting, smoking/preserving said hunt, blacksmithing among other things.

My only worry is the country will collapse before I can achieve these goals

t. disenfranchised zoomer

>>512693129
Ha! That's an idea I haven't considered. Thank you.
However, google says that they're self-pollinating, therefore I'd have to plant other Rubus close to it, which is a bit of a problem, given that there's no space nearby.
Serves me right for planting things willy-nilly.

>>512693972
Buy a land close to a state forest. I didn't and it shows. Unless you like village cats.
> doom in CY+17
The only impending happening is Trump's Cyberpolygon reentactment, and even that won't last more than few months.
You'll be okay.

>>512693302
It was a different plant before I’m convinced. It got grouped into some weird bush’s subspecies by AI. You should log off bro

>>512694719
Cats are awesome. I even put some catnip in the corner of the garden for them. >>512694719

>>512694108
Yeah, even self fertile plants do better when they have a genetically dissimilar partner.

>>512694830
> Cats are awesome
I too suffer from toxoplasmosis.
Four to eight kittens, twice a year. The worst part is mortality. Especially for tomcats.

>>512695239
Hm, /pol/ BTFO.
Will try.

>>512694719
>>512695305
I want to have cats for pest control, but it sounds like its grim, what ends up killing them?

>>512695305
Yeah, losing a cat always hurts. They're such precious little creatures.
>when they give you a massage, purring loudly the whole time

I have a siamese (unsure if she has toxoplasmosis) and I would be heart broken if she was killed when she roams, is there any way to make it less likely? Always attend her when she roams?

>>512691536
What an easy way to give yourself prions, man isn't designed to process the chitin

>>512695780
What a cutie. Would give a soup treat.

>>512688813 (OP)
I know some great hard to reach (very swampy) remote places in my area that are full of cranberry and these, unfortunately the cloudberry's a protected species over here.

>>512688813 (OP)
Pulling a Johnny Appleseed in your local area with whatever are the perennial edibles in your state is a pretty solid move, however very expensive in time and possibly money to walk/drive around that far. Building up your legs for that however has many long term benefits however

>>512696360
We wouldn't have dessert apples if people didn't do that.

>>512688813 (OP)
You have to grow a gazillion plants just to get enough calories to live. Better to raise hogs.

>>512692268
Im 100% having an apiary on my homestead...I don't even like honey but I love bees, cute fluff balls who help pollinate the garden. Plus, you can probably make a decent amount of money from selling their honey! I wish you the best with your homestead fren

>>512696333
I used cloudberry for the OP because it's pretty and grows in some of the worst climates on the planet. Other rubus varieties are more practical if you live outside of the Arctic circle.

>>512696509
1 hazelnut tree = 1 month of calories for an adult male.

>>512696516
that's a bumblebee
they don't make honey

>>512696574
I'm not shucking hazelnuts like some faggot. You can feed them to the pigs. One hog will feed an entire family for the winter.

>>512695666
> digits of Yaldabaoth
Ask, and Kek will answer.
The lust for pussy. Having said that, do not castrate them. Reincarnation is real.
> pest control
If you feed them, then they won't hunt. If you stop feeding them, then they will leave. Life of a free cat is brutal and pragmatic.
Granted, they will bring you some small rodent from time to time. I heard it's because they want you to learn how to hunt, and the first step expected from you is to play with it and then to consume it. I haven't done that yet, but I had cleaned kitten barf from my bed today.
I feed six cats and it costs a lot. One kitten is capable of eating more meat per day than I ever did.
YMMV, maybe it's a skill issue.

>>512695698
Yep.
I lost a few. It still hurts.

>>512696641
You should be making a bee hotel. Solitary bees are very important for the ecosystem.

>>512696762
I contribute by helping these guys out of the house if they get stuck

>>512696730
Pigs will eat anything you feed them, but the better they eat, the better they taste.
If you raise animals, you still grow plants.

>>512696897
A bee hotel is as simple as taking a log, drilling a bunch of holes in one side and putting it outside with the holes facing south (or north if you live in the southern hemisphere).

>>512696641
Its just an image I wanted to use, though I do support bees regardless of species.
>>512696762
Im thinking of doing something like this all around me, a kind of eco-terrorism where I build homes for bees where they don't already exist because the shitty state I live in loves committing its own eco-disasters. Just heard about them releasing a fast producing plant thats taken over a whole county because they were too lazy to keep an eye on it. Wish I could remember the name.

>>512696986
I could buy one for the equivalent of $5 but it always gets occupied by wasps and other flying motherfuckers
never the cute fuzzy bumbles

>>512696986
Or take a bunch of straws and glue them together.

>>512696574
I have been thinking from an autarky perspective cities should plant these and other edibles (apple trees etc.) in city parks and so on. I read a story where in Syria during the war people ate the apples from the apple trees in the (former) city park to survive. But I guess this far north trees in general are good as they will be needed as firewood if society collapses.

>>512697057
Wasps eat pests. They are important.

>>512697371
If you are planting trees anyway, might as well be edibles.

>>512696743
My cat is rather odd, she doesn’t like meat unless its in her bow and shes hungry, the only exception is the very rare ice cream i let her lick up, other than that she wont eat human food, might have something to do with her being asian

>>512697771
bowl*

>>512697371
That's a good idea, too bad it's incentivised only when SHTF.
Like here some 60 years ago, people were encouraged to convert their front yards to vegetable gardens, and there was even a federation-wide initiative to convert public parks to gardens.
All that because the planned economy couldn't provide essentials.
Fun times, maybe they'll return, with a vengeance.

>>512693302
Most underrated "berry"

>>512697865
There's a part of Toronto called "cabbage town" because everyone there grew cabbages in their yard and they would fucking kill you if you stole them.

>>512697983
They're shockingly good, yeah. They go great with haskap.

>>512697610
>>512697865
yeah, during the war they made city parks into potato fields here. But it's like already too late if SHTF. it should be done maybe not to 100% but to some extent at least so people are used to it even in peace time. and so they can get that institutional knowledge.

>>512697771
Apart from cat ears, she doesn't look that much Asian, but what do I know.
> unless its in her bowl
I have XP with only one female cat and she won't even eat unless I pet her first. Same goes for repeated eating. I pet, she eats.
Males are different.

>>512697610
I personally would love to grow olives,

>>512698707
Same. Avocados, too. My climate is too cold, though.

>>512693302
>>512694820
>>512697983
just read about them. They are considered an invasive species here and it's recommended to destroy them.
I have harvested Rowan berries and made jam out of them, also use pure juice to drink. But it's so sour most people think you are crazy for even attempting to eat it. I just put a little bit of the juice on the bottom of the glass and dilute it with water. It's a real kicker in this way, good for waking you up and full of vitamins.

>>512698250
The last two worlds wars averaged out to 5 years. A lot of plants are mature after 3

>>512699867
That's what I do with lemon juice. Not weird at all.

>>512688813 (OP)
NO GOYIM! GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD KILLS THE EARTH. ONLY BIG CORPORATIONS SHOULD FARM.

>>512688933
Freedom is bad for you. The system is good, goys.

>>512691536
> Growing bugs is by far the most economical and practical way to farm protein,
YES GOYIM! GROWING PIGS AND CHICKENS KILLS THE EARTH.

>>512700492
Bill doesn't farm. He has slaves that farm

Any tips on killing ants? I was told to find the anthills, mark the spot, wait until the night (when they are all inside) and pour burnt engine oil on it, I'm going to try it when spring comes.

i will second the people saying grow hazelnuts. I have 6 trees in a grouping in my half acre backyard. They produced hundreds of nuts in a bad year, thousands in a good year. It's the cheapest source of fat and protein possible to obtain. And they're fucking good.

>>512702826
Borax and honey, don't pour oil into your soil dumbass

>>512702826
> burnt engine oil
That's a bit of an overkill.
Why and which kind of ant?

>>512703450
the reason i started growing nuts was for the easy access to fat and protein. Yes I have chickens for that but things happen, maybe you lose a few chickens, your yields go down. Hazelnuts keep growing year after year and there's virtually no maintenance. If I get tired of eating them the rest go to my chickens. That's the key to homesteading--if you can produce your own plant based protein and fat, you have animal food, whether you eat it, or your hogs, or your chickens, etc. It's just one more step towards giving the middle finger to the jew bank owned agriculture system.

>>512688813 (OP)
Blessed cloudberry poster.

>>512690993
Get clover seed and a leaf blower, then seed every lawn with clover.

Find and bag dandelions (commonly known as boomerbane)and then spread them everywhere.

look at the size on some of these filberts going in the dehydrator

>>512704595
its political because whenever there's a communist takeover in a country the first thing they do is seize the farms

>>512691085
Ok so how will being just white get me $300k to buy land and a trailer

>>512688813 (OP)
>larpsteading thread

>>512704595
Boomerbane threads are about how to drive boomers insane by spreading plants and helping the bees, and teaching children to kick dandelions to make the boomers endlessly seethe.

How is that not political?

best green beans ive ever tasted, just off the vine

they usually get sauteed in a wok with a chinese garlic sauce (onions sauce, garlic, white pepper, agave syrup, chinese cooking wine).

>>512688813 (OP)
where do you get your seeds?
if you dont have an own strain, you are anyway fucked

>>512703608
haha that's what I first thought, but they're incredibly persistent, and they come from my neighboring lots, I might try your advice instead, thank you

>>512702826
I think it's Linepithema humile, the argentine ant (I might be mistaken), once they find your plants is game over

>>512704703
Using food as a method of controlling people is real

Having grown up under the whip hand of the boomer, I know what it is like to be given a choice between rotting food, or starving, and then later being told you can't leave the table, and have to eat the garbage they make you.

By having your own food, or means to produce food it makes you not be reliant on the people who are abusing you, and this is why commies and boomers always seek to control access to food so they can dictate accordingly who gets it, while they sloth like pigs, and abuse (you) and tell you if you don't like it and say thank-you, you starve.

It's about [Control]

>>512705025
My local pépinière has a fantastic selection of varieties acclimated to my region.

>>512705025
For things like tomatoes I'm not loyal to anywhere, some varieties are harder to find than others. I want to try this seedless all female flower cucumber called Merlin but it's only available from Burpee and they're sold out til next year

>>512703741
Have you ever considered making biochar with charcoal and chicken shit.

It's completely possible to do using a rake when your clearing brush and burning it, I made a bunch last year then mummy got angry, then got even more pissed when I went and planted mint because I didn't want to get eaten by bugs.
You can see where I mixxed it in the grass density, so it does improve growth.
Also planting clusters of mint everywhere is based as fuck, smells nice when you mow the lawn and if the blades are high it will always grow back.

>>512705467
Grass sucks. Plant clovers.

Best kept secret is hard neck garlic farming. It requires almost no work, grows during winter months even in frozen shitholes when nothing else does, the product is valuable and sought after in all cuisines, and it stays fresh for over 8 months when stored properly. I just made soup stock with year old garlic yesterday. Every year I grow double the amount of garlic I did last year. I think i will get into the millions sometime in my 40s

>>512688933
even most Amish farms aren't organic, they use chemical fertilizers and pesticides.

>>512706128
There are lots of ways to do it that don't rely on a complex supply chain. A guy in a previous thread was discussing how to make a compost tea for your plants, for instance. Knowing how to do these things, even if you do just buy a pre-made fertilizer when available, is a good thing.

>>512705901
Do love me some garlic

>>512696542
>Some of the worst climates on the planet.


Anon, it's comfy as fuck here where I am.
It even snowed last weekend.

>>512708341
Ever had ramps?