Thread 512697977

I want to start the thread by pointing out that no Christian can hold the jews, regardless of what you believe in regards to their origin, as the chosen people. It is as Paul explained, that whoever has faith is grafted into the tree of Israel, and who reject Christ is cut off from it.
>16If the first part of the dough is holy, so is the whole batch; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
>17Now if some branches have been broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others to share in the nourishment of the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, remember this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
>19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly notg spare you either.

Its kind of the opposite as with the canaanite woman, where while He does initially rebuke her with
>26But Jesus replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
its when she showed faith und thus was shown the same mercy as any other faithful.
>28“O woman,” Jesus answered, “your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Its very similar to the story with the Samaritan woman. Christ offers her the water of life, despite samarians at this point being foreigners that were put there by the assyrians after they displaced the northern israelite tribes.

By rejecting Christ the jews lost all prestige they may or may not have held.

All I have on Christianity, the teachings, morals, philosophy, law, history, origin etc.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/442494416

Some more specific parts
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/493495206/

Some older thread that includes some stuff i had to cut out due to space reasons
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/392101355

>The Psalmist said: "Then Phinehas stood up and propitiated him and the slaughter stopped? He rescued a great many ungodly men from the wrath of God .by slaying a single lawbreaker. This should have happened all the more in your case, if indeed the man you crucified was a transgressor of the Law.

>(2) Phinehas, then, was held guiltless after he slew a lawbreaker; indeed, he was honored with the priesthood. But after you crucified an imposter, as you say, who made himself equal to God, you did not receive esteem nor were you held in honor. Instead you suffered a more grievous punishment than you did when you sacrificed your children to idols. Why is this so? Is it not clear even to the dullest minds? You committed outrage on him who saved and rules the world; now you are enduring this great punishment. Is this not the reason?
John Chrysostom

>>512698101
John Chrysostom
>(2) Since there are some who think of the synagogue as a holy place, I must say a few words to them. Why do you reverence that place? Must you not despise it, hold it in abomination, run away from it? They answer that the Law and the books of the prophets are kept there. What is this? Will any place where these books are be a holy place? By no means! This is the reason above all others why I hate the synagogue and abhor it. They have the prophets but not believe them; they read the sacred writings but reject their witness—and this is a mark of men guilty of the greatest outrage.

>(3) Tell me this. If you were to see a venerable man, illustrious and renowned, dragged off into a tavern or den of robbers; if you were to see him outraged, beaten, and subjected there to the worst violence, would you have held that tavern or den in high esteem because that great and esteemed man had been inside it while undergoing that violent treatment? I think not. Rather, for this very reason you would have hated and abhorred the place.
>(4) Let that be your judgment about the synagogue, too. For they brought the books of Moses and the prophets along with them into the synagogue, not to honor them but to outrage them with dishonor. When they say that Moses and the prophets knew not Christ and said nothing about his coming, what greater outrage could they do to those holy men than to accuse them of failing to recognize their Master, than to say that those saintly prophets are partners of their impiety? And so it is that we must hate both them and their synagogue all the more because of their offensive treatment of those holy men

>>512697977 (OP)
>>512698101
>>512698160
You use KJV or German translation like Luther's? Recommend over anything like this modern english translation, they use different semantic meaning for things that corrupt the theology and such.

>>512698523
i like the Berean Study Bible when it comes to the english. It does use the Masoretic text as basis mostly, but incorporates footnotes mentioning the differences between greek septuagint, deadsea scrolls, latin vulgate and masoretic text, as well as at times giving alternative translations when a word is difficult to translate in concept.
https://biblehub.com/bsb/genesis/1.htm

In general I would hold the greek septuagint as more trustworthy than the others, but I dont know of a proper bible that uses it as its basis. Also there are a couple word plays in the scripture that only work in the original hebrew/aramaic which is why it does help to have it as reference, but when there are differences i generally go with the greek.

I honestly cant tell much about the german Bibles, due to the discourse being a in english online i actually went for the berean study bible to read, due to the footnotes and i dont know of any big differences in the german versions as we do with english ones in example the scofield bible.
I do have a german bible from my grandfather though, a Menge Bible iirc. but there more a sentimental connection.

Next I want to point out that the only universal aspect about the Christian faith would be the offering of forgiveness and and salvation to all, as well as to whom the moral laws apply to (as opposed to jewd who claim you can lie to, steal from or kill a non jew as it all doesnt aplly to them, being deemed cattle).

People being up Paul saying
>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither man nor woman, there is neither slave nor master, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
alleging that this is egalitarianism however is retarded. some other veses Paul
>5A woman must not wear men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing, for whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD your God.
or
>34 Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
a clear difference is mentioned in how faitfull women and men should act, in line with previous established customs, showing that Galatians doesnt revoke those
another
>12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve.
Or here, on class instead of gender
>5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
So when class and gender are not abolished, though they are one in Christ, why then should we abolish race as a concept and ignore the other laws around that (pic related)

As a result it clearly means all can be saved regardless of gender, ethnicity or class, and that Christ came for all, not that we are to abolish these concepts

i want to put attention to some details in the Eden story.

The term for serpent itself has multiple layers. the word for "serpent" is "nachash"
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5175.htm
which is the same word and thus probably a pun for "enchanter" or "wizard",
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5172.htm
its also to money lender
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5377.htm
or to deceive
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5378.htm

Also there is a class of angel is called "Seraph"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph
>A seraph (/ˈsɛrəf/, "the burning one"/"serpent";
A class of angels being refered to as "serpent" so its not just a random snake there.

applying this we see how the early chapters of Genesis can be used as an allegorical warning of usury and money as a whole through the use of puns
Its a story of how making up our own morality away from God lead to evil and suffering womans proximity to earthly things leading to distress when left unchecked, something we find mirrored in the north american myths
Beyond that we see the story of 2 persons growing up, living in naive innocence, in paradise, but then wake up towards evil.
We find even some evolutionary lessons, like the snake losing its legs (being cursed to crawl on its belly) or the woman being cursed to give birth in pain which we dont see in other animals, caused by the babies big heads, needed for the big brain coming from the knowledge that cursed us
Not to mention the inherent narrative regarding sexuality

What is a Jew?
There are multiple, at times conflicting definitions around, and let us look at everyone of them

The ethnic modern jews:
According to this definition its simply the modern ethnic group of jews. To note here is that the best case to make is that they are of edomitic descent (pic related), excluding the Israelites from this definition

The followers of judaism:
This defines jews by their adherence to judaism. To understand here is that judaism descents from phariseeism which Christ denounced as hypocritical heresies. So at least as Christian one can not hold that the prophets, the forefathers or (most of) Israel or Christ were jews.

The descendents of Israel/Jacob
According to this everyone is a jew that descends from Israel, however here we need to understand that this again excludes the modern jews, descending from Jacobs twinbrother, Esau, who fornicated with the canaanites.

A descendent of Judah
This is basically the same as the previous, only that it excludes the other 11 tribes as well. But here again the modern jews for the same reason.

A citizen of the state of Judea/Judah
This is what the term "Ioudaios" or "Iudaeorum" commonly in the Bible translated as "jews". At the time of Jesus a multitude of people were inhabiting Judea due to the babylonian captivity, the conquering of edom, and rome conquering Judeah and thus be regarded is "Ioudaios", or Judean in modern term.
This is the only definition that includes Israel, Christ as well as those we call jews today alike.

in current discourse, and especially by shills its always assumed and claimed these are all interchangable

want to propose that YHWH may not be the correct name.
a) Christs name would be Yahushua, meaning "Yah Saves/is salvation".
2.:Likewise its HalleluJ-AH, not Yahweh, or Yehova.
III: YHWH is יְהוָֹה God introduced Himself to Abraham as הָיָה
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1961.htm
"Ha-Yah"
now the prefix "Ha" is a definitive article, like we here when God is called Ha-Elohim (THE Elohim) or how Satan is called Ha-Satan to distinguish from the many small satans. So here it would be "The Yah",
4th the greek script renders the tetragrammatron as "ιαω", or IAO", y, j, and i generally being the same phoenetically being Yao, or Yaho.

Now why does the Bible render YHWH as God? After Christs death the jews thought about how they can deny Christ as Messiah, and thus altered the script creating the Masoretic Text we know today. On effort the made follows that the Messiah is High Priest in the order of Melchizedek, to deny Jesus they then claimed that Melchizedek is Shem and that thus his priesthood is the levite priesthood of which Christ cant be part of, being of Judah and not Levi. But Abraham met Melchizedek and so they had to live in the same time period when Shem lived a thousand years (ca.) before, and so jews removed the lifespan of the descendents from Shem to Abraham by a 100 years each so that Shem and Abraham can live at the same time. In the greek Septuagint iE the original ages are still preserved.
Likewise the virgin that gives births as a sign for the Messiah is now turnd into simply a "young woman"

The theory goes that in the same time where they rewrote the scripture to deny Christ, that they also altered the name of God

highlighting the Christian virtues.

Now the first above all is love
>37Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’e 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’f 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
What we learn here is that everything else in the commandments and law is an expression of love and a guideline on how to express love in a healthy and prosperous way, an effort to not harm those we love.

the next big one would be truth and honesty for
>6Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
If Christ is the truth, and the Christ is God, then subsequently God is the truth, meaning that truthfulness is equal to worshipping God.

Subsequently rightousness comes forth from the truthfulness
>15Surely judgment will again be righteous, and all the upright in heart will follow it.
>16Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will stand for me against the workers of iniquity?

And to uphold the rightousness we must be strong and coragous
>24Be strong and courageous, all you who hope in the LORD.

But never the less be gentle and work solely for the good of all and not for your own satisfaction or glorification
>5Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth
Which means to care for your people
>7Give these instructions to the believers, so that they will be above reproach. 8If anyone does not provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
And those in need
>40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

>>512702585
In the same sense forgiving others their errors that they may improve themselves, and allow for peacemaking rather than keeping meaningless and pitty grudges
>14For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours.
Which must not mean to enable anothers sin
>11Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

And to end it we are to remain humble in our deeds
>23A man’s pride will bring him low, but a humble spirit will obtain honor.
And not become boastful
>3Do not boast so proudly, or let arrogance come from your mouth, for the LORD is a God who knows, and by Him actions are weighed.

>>512701552
>>512702585
I might get a copy of that Berean Bible translation you mentioned, or at least download one if free. Quality threads on Christianity btw, this and on the archive site.

>>512697977 (OP)
shut the fuck up ahmed, christians and jews will forever be allies and together we'll wipe you off the face of this earth

Now let us take a look at the jewish customs and the talnmud

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
Probably the only article worth reading from vice

Also
Ketubot 11b6:
>Rava said that this is what the mishna is saying: An adult man who engaged in intercourse with a minor girl less than three years old has done nothing, as intercourse with a girl less than three years old is tantamount to poking a finger into the eye. In the case of an eye, after a tear falls from it another tear forms to replace it. Similarly, the ruptured hymen of the girl younger than three is restored. And a young boy who engaged in intercourse with an adult woman renders her as one whose hymen was ruptured by wood. And with regard to the case of a woman whose hymen was ruptured by wood itself, there is a dispute between Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis. Rabbi Meir maintains that her marriage contract is two hundred dinars, and the Rabbis maintain that it is one hundred dinars.

>>512702687
Thanks anon

>>512703839
Avoda Zarah 26a
>The mishna teaches that a Jewish woman may not nurse the child of a gentile woman. The Sages taught: A Jewish woman may not nurse the child of a gentile woman because in doing so she is effectively raising a child who will engage in idol worship. And one may not allow a gentile woman to nurse the child of a Jewish woman because she is suspected of bloodshed; this is the statement of Rabbi Meir.
Jews are to neglect gentile children because they would become idolators either way

>Abaye said to him: It is prohibited to raise a gentile from a pit even in exchange for payment, because one can say an excuse to him, such as: My son is standing on the roof and I must go use this ladder to help him down from the roof. Alternatively, he can say to him: A time has been appointed for me to appear in the courthouse [bei davar] and I must attend to this matter. Since the Jew can provide a legitimate excuse for refusing to aid the gentile, there is no need to extract him from the pit.
Just leave the goyim to die and make an excuse why you cant help him

>The Gemara discusses the subject of assisting or receiving aid from a gentile in the context of circumcision. The Sages taught: A Jew may circumcise a gentile for the sake of making him a convert. This is to the exclusion of circumcising a gentile for the sake of removing a worm [murna], which is not permitted, as it is forbidden to heal a gentile. But one may not allow a gentile to circumcise a Jew in any situation, because gentiles are suspected of bloodshed. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir.
A jew must not give medical assistence to a goy
Additionally the whole religion is centered around celebrating the murder of an innocent man

pic related, case for a creator with the qualities the Bible acredits to Him, based on scientific observations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil_(cosmology)
radiation patterns show earth is in a special position with special alignment and seems to not at all be random. this implication of higher meaning opposing the nihilistic atheism is then dubbed "axis of evil"

>muh King of the Jews
It should be noted that Christ never called Himself such, and only others called him so.
I would also argue this is a heavy mistranslation. The original read
>>INRI
>Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum
>Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Judeans
Iudaeorum or the greek Ioudaios, that now get translated as "Jews" refers to the citizens of Judah >>507487918. Judah at this point was heavily multi racial after the babylonian conquest and captivity, the integration of the edomite (which are the root for those we call jews today) to the point that Herod the king at the time was an edomite, as well as the roman conquest of Judeah all caused that the actual Israelite descendents are but a fraction of the citizens. We have an assyrian tablet talking about how all of samaria was replaced with a foreign people. Yet fates, much like governance usually are tied to the location, the land and cities.
Christ came to Judeah, and was the rightful king of its people, of which "jews" are but a fraction.

In fact the the sign "INRI" states His crime, being to be the king over Judeah. Which is why the jews even demanded the sign to be changed as this sign legitimizes Christs authroity mocking the actual jews
>19Pilate also had a notice posted on the cross. It read:
>JESUS OF NAZARETH,
>THE KING OF THE JEWS.
>20Many of the Jews read this sign, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. 21So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but only that He said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’”
>22Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”

>>512697977 (OP)
You can not declare yourself separate and free from the jews while still believing in a religion that is a downstream descendant of the parent poison tree religion judaism (just like islam) otherwise you have just run from one burning building into another.

>>512708505
Christianity is the original, even before Christ it were the same values and ethics, merely the ritualistic aspect change. Judaism is based on phariseeism which is a corruption of the original faith and didnt exist in its modern form until about 2-3 centuries after Christ

As for the fallen angels, OP? Where do they factor in this?

>>512708663
>Christianity is the original
Saying such a stupid thing shows you have no actual comprehension of the relationship between the parent poison tree religion judaism and it's downstream descendant poison children christianity and islam, which were expressly created as the religion of the slaves.

>>512697977 (OP)
One jewish sect goes against the other jewish sect. For non jews they are still jews. For jews they are different religion where one is true and another is lies.
It really does not matter how many of your jew wór Shipping jews will call other jews evil. Christkiles are the same jews like jewws they hate for anyone who is not a jew and who does not believe in jewosh bullshit stories about messiah and jahweh.

>>512707536
Christianity was originally created to collapse the roman empire, which is did within one lifetime of it becoming the first, official religion of the empire (96 years later to be exact). Like wokism today, it was created by jews to replace the existing belief systems in the empire and destroy the common fabric belief system that already existed during the height of the empire (paganism amongst others). And surprise surprise, the greatest WEALTH beneficiary of the collapse of the roman empire was none other than the church, which served as the base for globalism version one.

>>512708663
>We wuz kangz jew worshipper edition.

>>512709946
Rome destroyed itself throughout its own decadents and corruption.The Greeks became nothing more than a bunch of homosexuals and effeminate men lusting away in their bath houses while the Romans armed to destroy them. THEN the powerful Romans became a bunch of ancient liberals too limp-wristed to join the military and hold the Roman empire together. So they ended up hiring "refugees" as armies and mercenaries in the form of barbarian Germanics.

Societies decay because they all go through entropy. It's an endless cycle. The white empire is over because whites are too neutered not because of Christianity but with their pleasures in money, drugs, video games, pornography, materialism, creature comforts, MGTOW etc.

>. . . with the gradual decline of discipline, morals slid, and then more and more collapsed, and finally began to plunge, which has brought us to our present pass, when we can endure neither of vices nor their cures.
>-Livy

>“The adventures of deceived husbands, adulteries and amorous intrigues formed the staple of the plots. Virtue was made a mock of, ... everything sacred and worthy of veneration was dragged in the mire. In obscenity, ... in impure speeches and exhibitions which outraged the sense of shame, these spectacles exceeded all besides. Ballet dancers threw away their dresses and danced half naked, and even wholly naked, on the stage. Art was left out of account, every thing was designed for mere sensual gratification.”—The Conflict of Christianity with Heathenism, by Gerhard Uhlhorn, p. 120.

>“If we were asked what were the symptoms of [Rome’s] moral decay, we should answer: the selfishness of classes; the accumulation of wealth, ... the love of gold and the passion for luxury ... These were moral diseases, which could hardly be cured by any government.” - Outlines of Roman History, William Morey

Rome destroyed itself.

>>512710543
>Rome destroyed itself throughout its own decadents and corruption.
And which group do you think was the origin of that corruption? The jews, obviously. That is part and parcel one of their tactics for civilizational subversion, corruption of the existing elites and leadership. Jews were and are the original terrorists after all. The term zealot was the name of one of their own terrorist organizations. Trying to sit there and say Rome destroyed itself is like saying America is destroying itself today while everyone awake knows the source of that destruction is the jews, like always.

>>512708726
See >>512706049
basically God appointed the angels over the nations to lead them, a third rebelled, led humankind astray and letthemselves be worshipped as gods. The titanomancy iE fits the war in heaven.
They mated with humans where the stories of the kings etc. Descending from the gods come from

>>512709946
Rome had a lot of issues going on but their biggest one was their expansionism beyond any reason. It made it impossible to effectively rule the empire, and much worse to defend its borders. Whenever some tribes thought they could reclaim their lost land all battles would be over before roman armies would get there, and in the meantime 2 different fronts opened up of people seeing their chance to reconquer their old land. this chipped away from the empire slowly.
To negate this they hired barbarian mercenaries, but they costed so much they had to engage in fiat money practices not much different than our monetary system today, and that of course invites catastrophe.
This paired with rampant hedonism and egoism resulted in neglection of their people and rampant degeneracy, and eventually it caused the collapse.
simultaniosuly this neglect for their people allowed Christians to convert people through their care and love
according to Rodney Stark
>he [Emperor Julian] complained in a letter to the high priest of Galatia in 362 that the pagans needed to equal the virtues of Christians, for recent Christian growth was caused by their ‘moral character, even if pretended,’ and by their ‘benevolence toward strangers and care for the graves of the dead.’ In a letter to another priest, Julian wrote, ‘I think that when the poor happened to be neglected and overlooked by the priests, the impious Galileans observed this and devoted themselves to benevolence.’ And he also wrote, ‘The impious Galileans support not only their poor but ours as well, everyone can see that our people lack aid from us.’”

Likewise it wasnt Christianity that let jews into rome, they lived free in rome long before, without any laws against them, which only were stript of their right by the Christians after.