Thread 512698128

Why do Ukrainians and Westerners want it though? It's 80% ethnic Russian at this point

The Native Tatar population WANTS Russia to win, fuck off western spies

apparently, its beaches are nice

>>512698128 (OP)
i couldnt care less about crimea.

but waddabout the west
but waddabout the west
but waddabout the west

Fact! also make London Indian since it's mostly Indian too! who cares about natives?

>>512698128 (OP)
Crimea is full of muslims.

>>512698128 (OP)
>Ukrainians
because it's theres
>80% ethnic russian
Churkas are not ethnic russians. But why does that matter? Russia just displaced Crimean citizens and replaced them with its golems. Ukraine would be well within its rights to do the same.

A bigger question is why does Russia want Crimea so bad that they would fight two wars over it and ethnically replace its population with muslim mountain mutts? It can't be for the port, they don't have a fucking navy anymore.

>>512698369
>who cares about natives?
The natives of Crimea, Kimmerians, are long dead.

>>512698128 (OP)
>It's 80% ethnic Russian at this point
It's not going to be like that forever. If russia can have a stalin, so can europe.

>>512698428
France and England fought Russia to keep Crimea Muslim

>>512698128 (OP)
>CRIMEA RIVER

>>512698436
>Churkas are not ethnic russians
Crimea is 80% ethnic Russian, not crimean tatar.

>>512698128 (OP)
Because it's their only warm water port. All the other ports freeze over during the winter. Some of whom you can't even use 6 months out of the year.

>>512698495
The only thing in Europe's future is a brown Mujaheddin dick up your ass.

>>512698495
>not going to be like that forever
yea about that anon
Ukraine is kill

>>512698128 (OP)
>steal something
>but why do you want it back?

Russians really are just white niggers.

>>512698495
Europe can only suck off Israel and JewSA. It's absolutely impotent and irrelevant.

>>512698495
"Europe's Stalin" is a central banker forcing you to billet Africans in your living room at gunpoint

>>512698780
>steal something
But enough about Israel and Kosovo.

for that matter what is the point of this whole war from Russian perspective lmao
they are now junior partner to regional rival China, theyve spent god knows how many lives, roubles, how much materiel capturing a fraction of Ukraine compared to what they held de facto in 2022
theyve lost Syria
theyve severely lost influence in Armenia
their friends in Iran are under siege with most proxies dead
in every way they are off than they were in January 2022

>>512698895
*worse off

>>512698128 (OP)
>no stupid questions
>stupid question
>hundreds of stupid answers

>>512698128 (OP)
I quite liked Crimea when I was there. Nice place, nice folk and cheap drink. Like most lands I don't really care who owns it, so long as the normal people who just want to live their lives, without being fucking shelled to death, can do so.

>>512698875
>buh buh but whatabout....

Are you capable of independent thought?

>>512698128 (OP)
>Why do Ukrainians and Westerners want Crimea?
Which Westerners want Crimea, and how will they steal it from Ukraine?

>>512698895
Don’t forget bigger NATO, a complete policy state internally and a million cripples besides the traumatized

>>512698780
Steal what? It's all russian land. Ukraine was only allowed to have it while they behave

>>512698495
western europe is gonna be minority white in 10 years bro

>>512698128 (OP)
to geopolitically neuter Russia by taking over it's only warmwater port

>>512698128 (OP)
we want it because it's rightful romanian clay

>>512698369
London truly belongs to India now

>>512698128 (OP)
It geologically, politically, legally and historically Ukrainian land. Russia needs to GTFO.

>>512698729
>projection of 75 years in the future
>source: dude trust me

>>512698179
Everybody knows that's a lie. Russians treat Tatars like shit in Crimean. 200,000 Tartars boycotted Moscow's sham referendum back in 2014. Russia forcibly deported 20,000 to Tartars to Central Russia. Tatars are the ones helping Atesh locate Russian forces so Ukrainians can target them. So it seems unlikely that any of them would want to be ruled over by Moscow's tyranny.

>>512699817
Ukraine is geologically, politically, legally and historically russian land. West needs to GTFO.

>>512700066
Who gives a shit about what they want or not? They live in europe out of mercy like all Turks.

>>512698549
lmao natoshills are historylets owned him with that one

>>512700018
Ukraine has the lowest fertility rate after south korea on top of the 15-20 million people that fled to the east and west.
Ukraine is kill unless you are the most delusional "fella"

>>512700101
Thanks for proving Russians lie about everything, Ivan. Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union 34 years ago, before the Russian federation was even invented. In order to keep its seat on the United Nations Security Council, the Russian federation agreed to inherit all of the policies and treaties regarding Ukraine and other countries. Now Russian Nazis are reneging on the deal and dishonoring their agreement. Lie cheat and steal Russian Nazis are now work criminals stealing property from the people they murder

>>512700998
War criminals

But you already knew that

russkies always operate like this, they will russify and replace the local population and then be like "actually this is ours look its all russians here"
meanwhile the original population got relocated somewhere to siberia

>>512698128 (OP)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_Naval_Base

You're welcome, OP.

>>512701441
when the usa take some of australia because they want some military bases there thats fine with you?

the naval base in sevastopol was also under a 100 year contract, it was safe. this is not an argument.

>>512699458
>it's only warmwater port
>pidor lies about geography, as if it's hard to check.
you have a bunch of Black sea ports on the eastern side, pidor. Your fleet ran to one of them in Novorossijsk after it was bombed in Sevastopol.

>>512699253
>It's all russian land
*land stolen by russia

>>512701737
So why di you think they want it?

>>512698369
Shouldn't have let them in then

>>512698436
>It can't be for the port, they don't have a fucking navy anymore.
>he thinks the black sea fleet is the entire Russian navy
Oh boy.

>>512702321
I mean it's not even destroyed they sit in the black sea and launch missiles at Ukraine like very day

>>512698369
The natives of crimea are russians.

>>512702186
pootin needs a little war/conquest with regular intervals to stay in power indefinitely and this is the only way he knows how to achieve that. When he came to power in 1999, the first thing he did to legitimize his rule was to organize the second Chechen war, by blowing up a number of apartment buildings in russia, blaming the Chechens for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings

he's been at it ever since

>>512702449
if you mean moscovites,
no

>>512702717
Right, so he doesn't actually want Crimea, he's just being silly. Exceptional geopolitical analysis anon.

>>512698179
>Native Tatar
Native my ass, they are remnants of Genghis Khans horde. Dunno why leftoids bamboozled themselves into thinking those are "natives", because you may as well call Spaniards native to Caribbean.

>>512702842
>he's just being silly.
he's being a murderous thug who's not been put in his place by cowards, that's not silly, that's evil. There was no strategic, geopolitical reason to invade Crimea, none. It's all directed at the internal russian audience to bring pootin's rating up when it was slipping.

>>512703127
>There was no strategic, geopolitical reason
mutts can't stop embarrassing themselves

i read there's a very old pyramid in Crimea

>>512698128 (OP)
well starting at 2014 with the massive military build up in Ukraine of half million soldiers what the jews primarly really wanted was to go in russia and regime change putin but then putin sent in 30k peace party to kiev that eventually grew to what it is today. American jews who grew comfy run Americas foreign wars post ww2 literally spazzed out somebody had the nerve to retaliate to global dominance plans remember blinken asking to first strike nuke moscow lol.

Something mysteriously happened to all those ukranians given kickstarter training and equipment american jews reduced their goals to take crimea.

>>512703127
Right, se isn't even being silly, he's trying to be evil. Let me guess, and Napoleon started wars because he was short?

>>512703337
what is it, pidrila? the whole "reason" is gone, the remnants of your rusty Black sea fleet are in Novorossijsk and an unfinished port in Abkhazia now anyway. The Moskva, along with a few other vessels, are at the bottom of the Black sea, though.

>>512698128 (OP)
NWO been that way for more than 80 years now

>>512703127
>There was no strategic, geopolitical reason to invade Crimea, none. It's all

>>512698128 (OP)
I think people just think it's a Russian lie that they're Russian over there. Who cares about the whitoids anyway when Crimean Tatars are who matters

>>512703635
>Something mysteriously happened to all those ukranians given kickstarter training
theyre all dead now

all of them lol

>>512703688
>started wars because..
again, pootin wants to stay in power indefinitely and it's much easier to wage wars than to improve life in russia, while he and his cronies are stealing billions of dollars.

>>512698128 (OP)
I want it because I don't want russia to have it, simple as.

>>512698128 (OP)
The same reason as it was in the 19th century

>>512703786
your map is outdated, pidrila. Two more countries on russia's borders joined NATO AFTER your genius invaded Ukraine in 2022. Pootin provokes and prompts countries joining NATO.

>>512698128 (OP)
>It's 80% ethnic Russian at this point
That's ok, we will send them like Stalin did to tatars.

Because the petulant little rat-faced kike stomped his feet and said so.

>>512704232
>hurr durr i'll just prove the point even HARDER!
lol you retard.

>>512702813
He sure as fuck doesn't mean cockholites aka urinians

>>512703775
Yup poor countries they can regime change moderate difficulty ones they have a war. Russia is their biggest threat yet and they do not want to lose cause that opens a pandora box maybe american jews are not the best leaders why are we giving billions to israhell again? When Iran and Russia won and our dollar lost 1/3 of its value in 6 years. There is massive anti semite propaganda can they keep it up for 5 more years wars going nowhere and inflation getting worse?

>>512702885
So crimeans aren't russian either

>>512704149
>19th century
you're forgetting the "Rurikovichi argument", pidor.

>>512700169
>the comment
>the flag

>>512704393
>prove the point even HARDER
moron, Sweden and Finland were neutral countries, with no plans to join NATO, until your midget retard invaded Ukraine. YOU retards, by your regular retarded chimpouts cause small countries to join NATO. Stop invading neighbors and there will be no need for NATO.

>>512698128 (OP)
>Invade a place
>Flood it with shitskins
>ACTHUALLY ITS SHITSKINLAND PROPERTY NOW
why are Russians like this? worse than the brits with north ireland and gibraltar

>>512704842
>Neutral
>Totally aligned with NATO in every possible way except formally
Two very different things. All that happened from my perspective is that we went from being servant bitches of NATO to getting something for being servant bitches of NATO. Also now American soldiers can come here to rape like they do in Japan.

>>512698875
ah yes the evil westoids who stole kosovo from serbia and gave it to.....kosovo
retard

>>512698289
Yeah when you have a war there are kind of two sides dumb frog.

>>512704842
>everyone who challenges my retarded notions is a russian
You're just too dumb to bother with. You should feel ashamed of how dumb you are but you're so dumb that's impossible for you.

>>512700169
Isnt the russian diaspora just as big as the ukrainian one? I know tons of russians living here since the iron curtain fell.

>>512705597
Oh my mistake. You were talking about the Tatars.

>>512704982
>Also now American soldiers can come here to rape like they do in Japan.
If you don't like us, let the Somalians defend you from Russia. Wouldn't hurt my feelings, and I hear that their religion prohibits them from raping so it'd be win-win-win. Go for it.

>>512705046
serbs under socialist tito funded albanians in 60s to have 20 kids free electricity free housing. Then American jews came in stole their country from them for their geopolitical global dominace games. Russians built all the infrastructure in crimea from scratch AND are the majority dominant population there since like forever now American jews coming in again want to give it to these wierd nazi jew russians in western ukraine.

Jew westoid leadership has always been the problem. When Europe is mutted in future the remaining whites like you will wonder what happened. Kalergi plan retard you should pray for a Russian victory and yids becoming disfranchised if your smart.

>>512705715
You could just stop raping if the criticism hurts your feelings so much

>>512698128 (OP)

Ethnic Russian does not exists....you are all mixed breed.

>>512698128 (OP)
Borders are just randomly drawn lines in the sand regardless of which side you live on. What defines them are people within them. If you’re not happy where you live, moving is a hell of a lot cheaper than war. Many of the Russian ethnics prefer to live on the other side of the border away from Russia. Pretty sure they all have reasons.

I thought Russia was a multiracial society?

>>512705921
>You could just stop raping if the criticism hurts your feelings so much
I don't rape, but the idea that you can pull 50,000 men from their homes and put them in a foreign land with zero incidents is dumb enough that only you Russian-adjacent mouthbreathers could come up with it. Meanwhile, you've apparently been importing god knows how many niggers.

Well, supposing you're not just some jew hiding behind the Finn flag...

Why did Kruschev even give it to Ukraine?
Nicer borders?

>>512704472
>our dollar lost 1/3 of its value in 6 years.
Nealy all of that was in the last 6 months

>>512702449
>The pidorashits of crimea are russians.
FIFY

>>512703516
Pidors like ancient Egyptian buildings for some reason

>>512701863
>*land stolen by russia
Stolen from whom, nomadic savages that used this land as base for raiding for centuries?

>>512704842
>Sweden and Finland were neutral countries, with no plans to join NATO
Ahahahahaha

>>512705753
>Russians built all the infrastructure in crimea
You misspelled "Soviets". The Soviets had the engineering, skill and master to do all those things, but Russian Federation Russians can't even get their missiles to work.

>>512708025
Sorry for eliminating your shartriots then, John Huesos from Kiev DC

>>512698128 (OP)
It is Ukrainian land. Those ethnic Russians can move to Russia because there is too much landmass there.

>>512708200
They do, because Ukrainian refugees get social benefits and free flats in Russia

>>512698128 (OP)
Chechnya is 99% Chechen, and?

>>512698128 (OP)
Why not. Russians can be easily removed.

Monke wants banan. Niggers can't go against their nature.

>>512708447
Everybody wants decolonisation and debalkanisation of ukraine

>>512698128 (OP)
Crimea is the de-jure territory of Ukraine as recognised by Russia as recently as 2013, and the rest of the world until today. It's that simple. Russia has the de-facto control but can't press its claim legally in any international forum kek. Not even the Chinks recognise Russian claims.

>>512700066
>tartars
I got some meat for you right here, mutt boy
Open wide

>>512702885
After 10 generations or so, they're pretty much natives. The Russian speakers who live in Ukraine did not want to live in Russia, and a lot of them are helping Ukraine defeat Russian Nazi forces

>>512708682
>t. how you can always spot the Russian

>>512708492
>don't forget de-Nazification too
Great. When do you leave?

>>512708682
That's really gay. You must be a Russian homosexual.
>Yes how did you know?
You sit around thinking about cocks all day was the tip off

>>512708887
I’ll stay and breed some plump fertile hoholinas with my mongol commie cock

>>512698128 (OP)
>Why do Russia want Crimea so bad?
This is the wrong question and doesn't make sense. The real question should be:
>Why do Crimeans identify as Russians?
Probably because Crimea was part of Russia and Khrushchev was an idiot that gifted Crimea to the UkSSR for nothing, probably thinking the union would never dissolve.

>>512707122
>Why did Kruschev even give it to Ukraine?
Because even giving it to Ukraine, the USSR still got to keep it. It was administrative. When the USSR dissolved though, property is property. Putin's just a butthurt thief.

>>512698128 (OP)
More non freezing ports, the oil reserves in the black sea that niether ukraine or russia will officially report to avoid 3rd party involvement.

>>512707845
>nomadic savages
whose cities with libraries, mosques and palaces the russian "civilized" army burned to the ground in the 18th century.
>raiding for centuries
so not worse than russians

>>512709944
>oil reserves in the black sea that niether ukraine or russia will officially report
kek, there were literally several Ukrainian oil drilling platforms in the Black sea before the invasion. Ukraine recently took back control of some of those rigs.

>>512698661
200 years of history it's really that simple.
why did Britain and the ottomans team up to take it in the 1850s Crimean War? it would make russia landlocked and irrelevant.
why did we forcibly industrialize japan? to defeat russia's attempt at an east coast warm water port. oops, accidentally created the japanese empire and WWII.
why are a million syrians dead? to prevent russian gas exports through a pipeline to the mediterranean.
having one fewer great power on the stage is worth any cost in money and lives. according to the state department, at least. somehow this isn't common knowledge despite them all testifying to it. I think people look at a map of russia and simply don't believe there's only one deep warm water port. good cover for 170+ years of war.

>>512698128 (OP)
Should England give London to India and Pakistan?

>>512698128 (OP)
warm water port

/thread

>>512708284
Stop, you're going to make him think about things

>>512710481
>took back control
russians leaving them because they don't want to get droned and Ukrainians refusing to reoccupy them because they too don't want to get droned (and hohols being unable to operate air and seacraft over the black sea) isn't quite the same as "taking them back", nafoid

>>512698200
they are

>>512710481
There's more than you think. Enough to reasonably challenge the middle east in the market.

>>512698436
Actual footage of Ukranian soldiers on march
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAfb3f04mo

>>512698729
Ironically the higher is the growt the worse because they will be all niggers, dunecoons and jeetoids.

>>512698128 (OP)

We like borders that don't change it makes life easier for everyone