Thread 512706513

There was zero ambiguity to Donald Trump during the 2024 election. America knew exactly who he was, and already had four years of reference to know what kind of president he would be.
And yet they voted for him, even giving him his first popular vote win in three election cycles, only for public opinion to almost immediately turn negative against him.
I'm not casting judgement on him or his actions one way or another, I'm simply saying we know exactly who he is. Nothing he has done since becoming president has been outside of the norm for him.
>But muh tariffs
He did that last time and ran on them this time. Nobody should have been surprised by this.
>But muh Iran
Trump's steadfast support of Israel has been known for years.
>But muh Epstein
Trump's association with Jeffrey Epstein has been well documented for years. Either you believe he was complicit in Epstein's crimes or you don't.
So why did America vote him back into office with a net positive approval rating, only for it to go negative within weeks of his return?
Are Americans really this checked out and clueless?

>>512706513 (OP)
He's doing a far worse job compared to his first term where he still managed to inspire a little hope and optimism along the way. Now it's just pure bitterness even towards huge swathes of his own base. The 2016 energy is long dead.

>>512706806
I would argue even this was a known variable. His 2024 campaign was significantly lower energy than 2020 and not even recognizable from 2016. It was also much more negative, with an overarching theme of revenge (justified or not, again trying to remain impartial), compared to the general theme of American greatness of his first two campaigns.

>>512707326
>"But Americans should've expected his second term to be depressing and bitter!"
Isn't exactly the most compelling defense of a sitting President...

>>512707326
The themes of revenge were absolutely justified but he hasn’t actually taken revenge against anyone who’s fucked this country over and he hasn’t deported illegals in significant numbers of released the Epstein list

>>512706513 (OP)
>>512706806
>>512707326
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That's why you need to look at the history of Trump's polling, Trump always bounces back.

>>512707972
If you have a better source for quantifiable reflection of public sentiment on politics I'd genuinely welcome it.

>>512706513 (OP)
We have a really bad education system in this country and we are actively lied too by both parties to protect their real constituents, their corporate benefactors. In this confusion most have chosen apathy then others who have it good have chosen to buy into the comfortable liberal lie. The remaining 30% or so will believe anything they see on TV as long as the presenter is white and has a cross. Basically Americans are a deeply uncurious people and mostly dont have an interest in learning or improving society in any meaningful sense.

>>512706513 (OP)
I'm just done with politics, and people really. Having hope was always an illusion.

Voting is invalid. Terminator apocalypse is the only answer now.

Trump rapes kids and is controlled by jews who rape and murder kids

>>512707326
>American greatness
At least we're no longer keeping up the charade that this line of bullshit has any basis in reality

>>512706513 (OP)
The Democrats lost not because of Trump's competence, but because of their own incompetence (and Israel, which may have been more influential than expected but hopefully not as influential as /pol/ fears).
Confidence in Biden was basically collapsing, but the Democrats were pretending that wasn't true for the whole campaign. Rather than change their candidate from the very beginning, they only switched up their tune half a year before the election and tried to astroturf Kamala into office.
The issues with this were multifaceted, but mostly
>The Democrats backpedaled in a really obvious way that couldn't be memoryholed in time
>The DNC made it clear (if it wasn't obvious) it could just change whatever candidate was supposed to run, fuck who you supposedly elected in the primaries
>People who were willing to vote for Biden weren't willing to vote for Kamala
>The lack of apparent coordination in the change made it appear as though nobody actually seemed to know what they were doing besides desperately trying to hold onto power
Add to that that Democrats were split on Israel and major protests over Gaza were taking place and support "magically" changes sides.
Meanwhile, Trump supporters were basically a cult, and half of the country doesn't even want to vote anyway because US politics is generally disgusting, but a lot probably put in a protest vote against Kamala.
In less than 10 months, Trump has made it clear that he's even more interested in his own power and supporting Israel than he is in fixing any of the actual problems he was supposedly elected to address. Sounds obvious, but at the time it was the difference between an oil fire and an oil dumpster fire.

>>512706513 (OP)
Not true. Trump tells different groups contradictory things so you can never know what you will get. If you expect more of his first term then you would expect him to be signing more free trade agreements like he did with South Korea and NAFTA 2 .. he also ran like he would be much calmer then he got in office and flipped to the project 2025 playbook that he denied knowing anything about