Thread 512712025

How come it took 3.5 years to get to these peace talks?

At least Klitchko, the mayor of Kiev, is saying Ukraine should trade territory for peace, given the country is being destroyed constantly.

>>512712025 (OP)
If trump really wants to win the nobel peace prize so badly, all he has to do is have Putin arrested the moment he steps out of his plane. Then have him shipped to Nuremberg to be tried before the international criminal court for his countless war crimes.
Not only would Trump solve the Ukraine war in one move with this, he'd also have solved the russia problem for the foreseeable future. He'd receive universal praise from all US allied nations, his approval rating would soar into the 80's, his friends would respect him and his enemies would fear him, and he'd be considered the greatest western leader until the day he dies.
And what would Russia do in retaliation? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. For two reasons.
One. There is nothing they can do. Ever wonder why Russia keeps threatening with nukes so much? It's the only thing they have left. And Putin's oligarchs aren't suicidal enough to start a nuclear war over Putin. Hell, they might even be thankful Trump solved the problem for them without them having to stage a risky coup. They hate Putin's war because it's bad for business, but can't speak out against it because anyone who does falls out of a window.
Two. Russia is a subservient slave mentality nation that LOVES being cucked and buckbroken. They would simply accept that they've been humiliated once again, because that's the entire thing their national identity revolves around.

>>512712025 (OP)
calm down and watch my cat sunbathe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Fp8OTlCYU

Can someone tell me why finngolians are like this?
>>512712186

>>512712186
least unhinged Finn

>>512712186
>all he has to do is have Putin arrested the moment he steps out of his plane

It would be unprecedented and illegal. This has never been done before. Russia would have to declare war on America to save face and end up sending 2500 nuclear missiles towards America to completely eradicate it.

>>512712025 (OP)
>so simple
Carl von Clausewitz's book On War (Book 1, Chapter 7): "Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult."

>>512712262
very nice cxat

>>512712524
Well it would end with world peace, anon.

>>512712524
>let's save face by committing suicide
Yeah, no, that wouldn't happen. Putin is not a leader who inspires undying loyalty

>>512713287
Yeah man Russian government would just go
>Lol lmao
And let themselves get taken over because big bad vlad is controlling every aspect of their lives and are just waiting for some zogbot dog to get rid of him to save Russia

You people are so fucking delusional

>>512712186
why didnt trump have bibi arrested? he's got an arrest warrant for hague as well.

>>512712025 (OP)
They needed someone as weak as Trump to be willing to roll over and give Russia everything it wants.

>>512713452
>And let themselves get taken
You just described the entirety of russian history in one sentence
>are just waiting for some zogbot dog to get rid of him to save Russia
Yeah, they are actually. That would be the best thing to have happened to russia in a long time

>>512713499
Because Israel controls america

>>512712025 (OP)
>Putin is willing to give up something he doesn't have in exchange for something he doesn't have.

Is Putin Jewish? Because this sounds really Jewish.

>>512713586
Russia wants the US and Europe to stop arming Ukraine, and for European troops not to deploy to Ukraine when the war is over.

Trump won't go along with either of these, so there went the "giving Putin everything he wants" meme.

>>512712306
They are retarded natofaggots who crave slavic cuckrainian cock.

>>512712025 (OP)
Ridiculously corrupt and imbecelic world leaders at the behest of the people who make the weapons.

>>512712186
>is a subservient slave mentality nation that LOVES being cucked and buckbroken
Posted from Finland, with absolutely zero irony

Imagine if USA invited Putin to Alaska and will not actually arrest him

that is the biggest humilation in murican history

>>512712025 (OP)
He has nothing to give in Kharkiv

>>512712025 (OP)
They are not even close to Kharkiv. They got got pushed back to their border from Summi region. Also Ukies bombed Kursk again yesterday. Does he even know what's going on with his smo kek?

>>512712186
Typical butthurt belter retarded post.

>>512712025 (OP)
Because NATO still can't accept Russia won despite a decade of training Ukrainians, all the supplies Ukraine was given, Prigozyn being on their side and a plan to assassinate Putin if all else failed.

Putin is doing his best to make it look like Trump has some cards but he doesn't. It is the most humiliating defeat in modern history. I doubt the most egomaniacal man in America will agree to any surrender or keep his word assuming something is agreed to.

>>512712186
unprecedented in modern times. this could backfire and damage the US' reputation or even cause a nuclear war. Russia could take ukraine and other east euro countries hostage with threats of nukes to demand putin back.

>>512712025 (OP)
why does it matter if russians or ukrainians... or indians or chinese are your government? literally doesnt matter. no matter who wins, indians are moving in... so who cares? humans are retarded. russia is an amazing place... ukraine amazing place... india amazing place... so who cares if the leadership changes... it will still be an amazing place. same goes for uk, we had an indian PM and surprise... it was great. whats the point in caring? just hand over the region and get on with life

>>512712025 (OP)
>How come it took 3.5 years to get to these peace talks?
Maybe because Neoliberals, Neoconservatives, and Europeans subverted any chance of peace talks working?

>>512714981
the US isn't a member of the ICC. they don't have to arrest him

>>512712025 (OP)
jews

>>512712186
probably true, but it's too much risk for little reward.

>>512712186
Putin is obviously going to arrive with a military escort. Any attempt to put handcuffs on Putin will result in another humiliation.

>>512714467
>Is Putin Jewish? Because this sounds really Jewish.
you didn't know?

>>512712524
Okay, now let's hear the cons

>>512712025 (OP)
Trusting Russia is retarded.
There needs to be a long and sustained ceasefire for many years before negotiations like this can take place.
ideally, the ceasefire would continue until a new generation of Russians take control of russia.

>>512716241
Putin's inner circle is not suicidal. Putin taken out is not a threat to the existence of the russian state. They cannot use nukes because any use of nukes would trigger immediate MAD. And if they threatened to use nukes to extort concessions, their bluff would be called. That's what happens when you cry wolf all too many times

>>512714981
Why would the US arrest putin? Hes not wanted for any crimes in the US.

>>512716456
It's a risk I'd be willing to take. Let's hope Trump is as unhinged as a finn.

>>512717086
total nuclear annihilation is highly unlikely to be limited in scope desu. even the declassified US target lists basically had everyone on in it in the event of MAD. it's hard to "pick and choose" when the nukes can arrive in less than ~10, maybe even ~5 minutes.

>>512712186
If one extreme action is all it takes to end the war why doesn't putin just nuke ukraine back into the stone age. What are they gonna do in retaliation? Nothing. There won't be an ukraine left.

>>512715877
>muslims don't want to immigrate into poor countries where they won't have any benefits
True true

>>512716665
>They cannot use nukes because any use of nukes would trigger immediate MAD
western civilisation isn't going to kill itself over ukraine and putin. if russia nukes ukraine then nato will back down. MAD is a myth. If russia nukes ukraine and nato nukes back, then it's nato who actually instigated the MAD by getting involved. Just because nukes are used doesn't mean nuclear global exchange. There can be isolated nukes like hiroshima and nagasaki

russia could start nuking ukraine the moment putin is captured by the US. then it could build up to bigger nukes if needed

>>512712186
this is why no one takes butthurt belters seriously

>>512718093
Still waiting for you retards to address a single one of my arguments

>>512712025 (OP)
>You just have to give up everything to russia, see, I made the peace deal
>Don't ask about what happened after the crimea peace deal
>Or the nuclear disarmament deal
>Just make a deal with Russia, goy

>>512720027
So? It is just land… all inhabited by Russians.

>>512712025 (OP)

This zionist dog Trump refuses to lift the sanctions on Russia while boasting that he cares about Peace.

Well He is the instigator.

>>512717909
Why would they go to Russia then?

>>512719652
What, "arguments" like this?
>>512712186
>Not only would Trump solve the Ukraine war in one move with this,
That pretend that Putin is some kind of Death Star trench run where if you take out this one component the whole country suddenly shifts gears? All the Russians will just drop their guns and fall down? You really believe he rules alone? Are you a child?

In any case Putin is the most moderate of the senior leadership in Russia. If he were replaced by Medvedev or whoever else might step into his role, Russia would get more belligerent, not less. Especially with the total betrayal of honor that arresting Putin would represent.

Fuck off, empires are talking and you're not invited.

Big problem is Russia claiming all the land in four oblast including Kherson city he lost and lands they never conquered

Giving land for free (effectively giving up years of built up defense line too) is a cuckholdery not yet seen in history.

>>512720618
The only reason the war continues is because of Putin's ego. He knows he fucked up but he's far too deep in to turn back now, that would make him look too weak. Sunk cost fallacy

How can he give up Kharkiv when he does not possess it?

>>512720618
>empires are talking and you're not invited
In fact, we are. Trump has talked the same amount if not more to Finland's president as he has to president of France or the prime minister of UK
https://yle.fi/a/74-20176653

>>512714576
No, they want unconquered land given for free too, and where the sham referundum they ran was not even present.

Which is so absurd Witkoff misunderstood it.

Because Europe (the deep state) controls Zelensky (and the US pre-Trump) and they need Russia's 70 Trillion in natural resources.