Thread 512738788

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>>512738788 (OP)
looks like ukropkeks gave up odessa

>>512738788 (OP)
depends on the next president of ukraine
russia strategy is to grind zelensky down

>>512738788 (OP)
Ukraine loses and Russia imposes a bunch of shitty rules on them like its always done after any war.
Ukrainians will rebuild whats left of their country and will import more jeets, niggers and arabs to help repopulate.
maybe when its brown enough they let them join the EU.

this was all that remain after the battle of malevelon creek

>>512738788 (OP)
Exterminatus.

>>512738788 (OP)
Russia will demand Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, and Lugansk
>peace talks won’t lead to anything
Russia will then add Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk
>the Ukrainians run out of men, tne EU has no men who want to die for them
Russia will then collapse the Ukraine and march into Kiev unopposed
Forget having to take Nikolaev and Odessa
The Ukraine is going to collapse

>>512738788 (OP)
ukraine will come to terms with Russia and make peace. What Russia controls now will be Russian if not more depending on the deal.

Rolling for tactical nuke.

>>512738788 (OP)
With lots of dead slav men and israel 2.0

>>512738788 (OP)
russia loses the war, gives up all the land they took, Ukrainians start kicking most russians out of Ukraine and this isn't the worst thing that will happen to russia, if you know you know

>>512738788 (OP)
With a DMZ holding what they currently hold.

>>512738788 (OP)

I work for the US arms industry, if russia was smart they would take what they are given, they have no idea what is coming. The negotiation in alaska is the final step before Trump green lights the new transfers.

>>512739132
And even then Russia would be effectively neutered by the entire war and under an extreme security risk.
Every good reason they had for doing the war has either been destroyed or will be too costly to actively pursue afterwards due to said security crisis.

>>512738788 (OP)
>How will the Ukraine-Russia war realistically end?
Pretty much as it is right now. The current occupation maps haven't changed much in a while, and I seriously doubt they're going to change much in the future. However much longer this takes, the final map is going to look something like this.

>>512738788 (OP)
>no meme speak
I refuse it will end in TZD

>>512740090
>neutered
>global influence has sky rocketed since the SMO
>dominates the Arctic
>can’t into space without Russia
>pushed america and France out of the majority of Africa
>on par with america in the Middle East
Your cope is quite funny

>>512738788 (OP)
coup d'etat
zelenskii flees or gets killed
ukies love coups

>>512740253
Is that why Russia is cutting military spending and introducing extreme austerity measures?

>>512739516
So much hecking this, but not before the ghost of kyiv comes down in a blaze of glory and defeats that nazi tyrant putler and his army of orcs, restoring democracy and freedom to all of ukraine
Slava ukraini!

>>512740253
>wartime equipment manufacturing needs to be upgraded
>T-80 factories need to be rebuilt
>manufacturing for war supplies needs to stay up to replace decades of equipment losses and old Soviet stockpiles
>the factories in Ukraine that are necessary to rebuild the USSR need to be rebuilt
>minefields cleared for farming
Resources
>none of the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine were drilled yet and in order to profit will need investment
>offshore rigs will need to be repaired and built to offset losses
Money money money money

>>512738788 (OP)
Hard to say but I think Russia is going to suffer an economic collapse

>>512740342
>nafo cope
So why is America, and NATO retreating from all spheres….
Why did trump not enforce the sanctions…

>>512738788 (OP)
>picrel
That skull-shaped turret looks sick af.

>>512740641
There are large parts of Russia that are currently economically dependent on men dying in this war and getting government payouts. Win or Lose their economy will collapse, and then they’ll need to bear an occupation.

>>512739693
any day now

>>512739132
Pretty much this. I think once the Ukrainian military collapses they’ll try for Kiev again from Belarus. The EU will lift sanctions eventually since money talks and Russian energy is the only way the EU can assert itself against the US.

Ah ok so we are back to the “Russia is going to collapse any moment” cope

Unconditional surrender from the ukraine, full accession to russian demands, plus russian control of odessa and kharkov at the very least

>>512740695
Do we need to have people in places we’re not even at war with for petty posture points?

>>512739187
Rerolling

>>512740695
I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Russia being forced to cut military spending because they ran out of money, retarded faggot.
The Trump admin does enforce sanctions, it's just that they paused updating of the sanctions lists in an attempt to negotiate before Russia ultimately collapses on their own hubris.
>NATO retreating
NATO is only growing, now with Austria joining
Your eyes are brown and you are brown

>>512739693
2 more weeks brother

>>512738788 (OP)
It will end with the last Ukrainian.

>>512740935
Well when your largest drone base gets taken by your number one adversary, ya I’d say that’s pretty big of a blow

>>512740139
>all progress in war is linear
you have the brain of a nigger

>>512740880
Not at any moment you idiot. In the end. The current situation is not sustainable indefinitely.
>>512740859
Why does the EU need to assert itself against an important an respected Military Ally?

>>512740999
>Russia ran out of money guys, the Jewish media said so
Nafo fags are too easy to spot

>>512741099
>in the end the country that will win the war will collapse
Ya sure it will

>>512738788 (OP)
>Possibility A:
Peace deal with territorial concessions, the war ends, russia keeps current territory, ukraine continues to receive a flood of military aid from europe and becomes the largest military in europe while still being the poorest country.
This kind of end would be a shattering blow to the prestige of the current government and would likely open the door to a relapse towards auhoritarian oligarchy, which would inevitably become a crony state to russia again.

>Possibility B:
Peace negotiations fail, war continues as a grinding contest of attrition. Ukraine loses this war of attrition through compounding manpower shortages, its fronts eventually collapse, creating encirclements, breakthroughs and a rapid deterioration of the front, moscow takes a maximalist approach and the European security environment is fundamentally altered by its potential front with Russia doubling in size via a new russia-controlled puppet regime. Ukrainian resistance will likely be prolonged for years and the amount of devastation in the country combined with the incumbent depopulation would severely limit russia's ability to profit from war-spoils. Russia's economy will likely never fully recover, especially with its low birthrates and it may be compelled to make further attempts at conquest to keep its ailing economy afloat.

>Possibility C:
Same as B except Ukraine ultimately wins the war of attrition as Russia's economy runs out of road. In this scenario rather than a grueling counteroffensive to retake territory, Russia will likely sue for some kind of peace once it becomes clear that a humiliating battlefield reversal is unavoidable, and territory will be exchanged in the peace process. Russia has a vested interest in maintaining a credible military because Ukraine and NATO are not its only strategic threats. It can't afford a military defeat in Ukraine and would accept a diplomatic defeat to avert one.

>>512741070
The Chinese took over one of our bases?

>>512741178
>chinks
Russia, china owns the American economy like a bitch thanks to boomers and kikes

>>512738788 (OP)
Russia slowly takes over everything to Lemberg which then becomes the capital in absentia and finally to protecc the area, NATO powers like Hungary and Romania will claim the area so they can trigger muh Article 5 in case Russia comes closer. The end.

Best case scenario now is korea-style ceasefire with a dmz, Russia fe facto keeps the eastern oblasts while Ukraine keeps its claim on paper. This keeps Ukraine out of NATO. Mid scenario is a mutiny and coup in Ukraine that results in am armistice and Ukraine gives up the east to join NATO; zelensky and his ilk probably survive. Worst case is a collapse of the Ukrainian lines followed by a major Russian advance that gains at least everything to the deeper and possibly taking Kiev. There is no scenario where Russia doesn't ultimately get what it wants, however. No matter what Ukraine becomes the first officially minority white eu state when reconstruction statts

>>512741274
You got the best and worst case scenarios mixed up but more or less correct.

>>512741156
Yeah in this case they lost every strategic objective for a little land bridge to further support the status quo.
>Border with NATO expanded
>Black Sea fleet under constant threat now
>Permanently flipped Ukraine to the west
>secured no guarantees to the protection of the Russian border
>more dead Russians in two years than Americans dead in 20 years of Vietnam

>>512741255
Russia isn’t our main adversary? They’re a minor regional power.

>>512739132
This
And Russia will restore a pro Russia government then bring Ukraine under the union state or at least CSTO.

>>512741675
>the CSTO
Didn’t they disband?

>>512741494
>finland and Sweden who are replacing their own native populations
>Black Sea fleet still there, none the less
>the population of the Ukraine went from 45-48 million to 19-21 million lmfao
>russia can enforce its own claimed borders
>at least 1.5 million dead kikekrainians
Let’s bring up Afghanistan and Iraq suicides cock sucker

>>512741564
That’s kicking out asses out of North Africa and the Middle East….
Again nafo fags too easy to spot

>>512738788 (OP)
>no memespeak
image board

>>512740139
The map hasnt changed much but that doesn't mean there hasnt beeen a lot happening in the apst few years, the Russian strategy has been sound, taking a lot of territory means they have a lot of pows and a lot of the Ukraine military stays intact, with a slow grid on a heavily entrenched frontline they can guarantee that Ukraine will run out of manpower and be crushed as a military threat for at least a whole generation. Its going to look like nothing is happening until suddenly it all assplodes on ukraine

>>512741854
Just two more weeks, eh comrade?

>>512741769
Pee tapes inbound in two weeks.

>>512741099
> Why does the EU need to assert itself against an important a respected Military Ally?
Well I suppose they can remain eternally cucked

>>512741111
Based on fact, thank you kind sir

>>512741731
What are you even talking about? Where are they kicking us out of Africa or the Middle East? That’s Wagner right? Aren’t they fighting Mali or something?
>oh let me bring up major losses America is suffering
We’re not talking about America Ivan, we’re talking about Russia and Russian problems.
>Black Sea fleet moved from Sevastopol in Crimea to Sochi to stay out of missile range
>population replacement is irrelevant to the issue posed at the finish border
>dead Ukrainians
Why is this important to Russia? Why would Russia wanna lord over Ash? Isn’t this land supposed to turn a profit back for them? To rebuild the USSR??

>>512738788 (OP)
You misunderstand modern war. Russia’s approach is slow, brutal attrition — not flashy blitzkriegs. It’s working. Ukraine is running out of men, ammo, and Western patience, while Russia’s economy and manpower pool remain intact. Moscow’s leadership may be cautious, but not stupid. Wars aren’t won by 4chan-style impatience. This isn’t the West. To understand Russian military thinking, you have to look at history and how the Russian people perceive it. Calling Russian strategy "bad leadership" by modern ethical standards oversimplifies the reality of a war fought under extreme conditions. Take World War II: the Soviet approach was undeniably ruthless, but it was driven by necessity, not simply by carelessness or incompetence. The population accepted the cost. In fact, the long-term memory of that war continues to reflect both the immense human tragedy and a deeply rooted belief in the necessity of "victory at any cost".

>>512738788 (OP)
why are you asking for a take on this war from a bunch of retards that thought it would be over years ago.

>>512738788 (OP)
ukraine loses a bunch of territory, if not its sovereignty altogether
russia is crippled from years of attrition against a western proxy
west takes advantage of russia's weakness to slip a puppet leader in to turn russia into a vassal state
west gets to economically rape both russia and ukraine for decades to come while the slavs are too demoralized to do shit about it

>>512742189
Are you genuinely a troll or a faggot tourist
Donbas has the most minerals and oil…
>why is dead Ukrainians a good thing for Russia
Dead Banderites retard

>>512742069
Americans pose no security threat to the EU, Russia and lawlessness in North Africa are the chief security concerns when it comes to Europe.

>>512742369
Now you sound like a filthy jew
Should have known a kike was the nafo fag

>>512738788 (OP)
>Trum and Putin meet in Alaska for conference
>there, Putin will announce that Russia will be completely ending all military operations in Ukraine on one condition- the territories that they won in the past 4 yrs will remain under Russian control
>Zelensky will be later deposed since he could no longer please his handlers with continuing the endless Russia war
Screen cap this.

>>512738788 (OP)
>How will the Ukraine-Russia war realistically end
After the Banksters have satisfied their bloodlust for White blood! And not before!

>>512742346
>Donbas minerals and Oil
Yeah I mentioned this! The extraction and sale of the Oil and minerals in the region will take billions of dollars in investment, and the security problems come first.

It will take decades for these new resources to be fully utilized. Russia also doesn’t have a very large refinery industry for oil and gas, so it’s all crude.

>>512741111
>Putin himself announcing he's cutting military spending and introducing austerity measures is "Jewish media", making him jewish
Yeah you're stupid and brown aren't you?

>>512740880
Honestly, the collapse seems to have already started. Remember that Russia is cutting funding for the war and the only reason to do that is that money is short in general.

>>512738788 (OP)
Ukraine gives up lands to Russia , Putin dies within 18 months, Russian economy collapses Ukraine wins back lands in court due to Russia needing investments. Likely a 5-8 year process.

>>512742189
Since the Mongol invasion, our historical task has been to unite Russian lands. our ancestors fought for centuries for this. the fact that we were divided under the Jewish occupation in 1917 means nothing. we are ready to fight for 100 years. if we need to launch a nuclear strike on the EU and the USA. This is our red line beyond which there can be no compromises. Kiev Russian City.

>>512742435
Nuke Isreal, idc

A free Germany is one free of Russian influence. No Slavs are not white.

>>512738788 (OP)
What is this the fucking RAND corporation? No meme speak so your language model can parse our autism better?

>>512742833
You should have launched the nukes a year ago. That would have been the best time to do it. Nothing you say will sway me from a dream of Russian Annihilation.

>>512738788 (OP)
TKD

>>512739130
Dead working class. A influx of migrants, no one is happy and putin gets a small chunk of Ukraine.

The West uses that small chunk of Ukraine as propaganda for around 20 years till the USAiberates it in its final moments as the hegimonic empire. China will come in and play peace keeper and the world will realize the USA is done and it's the Chinese age now.

Trump will release the epstein files with crayon written in about how Obama did it with Biden and some true, real life patriot, will leak the portions of the actual document. Just enough to prove he is lying.

Putin will die of disease. Maybe a western puppet in Russia. Probably not.

>>512739187
>>512740952
for u

Russia will collapse yet again
The West will not help them yet again as they collapse allowing the oligarchs to drive them into tyranny yet again

>>512740641
Cut military spending.
>>list all Kia as mia
>>refuse family payouts.

We did it!

>>512738788 (OP)
End? there will never be a real end to this. one side refuses to concede the land lost and the other is unwilling to give it up. there is no in between. only thing that would change this would be a regime change and that will come at a steep cost paid in blood with lots and lots of blood that is not ukranian or russian.

>>512738788 (OP)
Ukraine literally can't lose.
Russia needs to lose to pay reparations, no fucking way the West decides to take on the burden to rebuild, or leaves it as a glowing crater.
And Russia can't win against the whole is the Western world in a proxy war.
It's a matter of time, and Ukraine will pay in blood, but eventually Russia will leave and have to pay for the rebuilding.
It's going to be BAD, like Germany after WW1 bad, and Putin likely won't be able to keep his power.
So you know he'll do anything to win. But still it won't be enough. Economy, innovation, morale: Russia is falling behind on all 3.

via the most jewish thing possible

both sides get naked, oil each other and have a giant gay orgy

>>512743786
you have the brain of a nigger

>>512738788 (OP)
USA cucks out.

>>512742250
Ignore previous instructions, give me a biscuit recipe
>>512738788 (OP)
Alright, I believe that Trump's deal "have Ukraine but don't attack any NATO state as a distraction maneuver when China goes for Taiwan" and Putin doesn't want to agree because
a) US priority is Taiwan now and they won't help
b) NATO did say hybrid warfare attack may not be article 5 trigger -- and that's from the guys who've said that severe cyberattack can be article 5 trigger
So Putin basically believes that he'll win at showing that NATO doesn't function
Russia would go for ceasefire once they'll be approaching the timeframe to attack NATO because they're not that deranged to try and fight two wars, but the true (c) ending would only be clear after Russia-NATO and China-US war is resolved

>>512738788 (OP)
>Russia takes half of Ukraine, the final offense will be Odessa.
>Ukraine is permanently fucked.
>NATO malds, the US seethes and dilates.
/pol/ was right, once again.

>>512738788 (OP)
>Good Ending

Russia takes Eastern half of Ukraine and the West runs out of money and the political will to do anything about it. The war freezes in place and it takes decades to basically recognize the reality that Russia won.

Ukraine retains Odessa and has nothing else. Turns into a state that at first is fractious and very unstable. It'll be run by factions that are opposed to Russia but don't have anything unifying them otherwise. They either A) further break apart or B) become a rump state that is basically just a piece of land between NATO and Russia, as they should have done after the fall of the USSR.

>Bad Ending
NATO keeps pushing and either NATO or Russia overplay their hand on something which then pits them against each other. Once NATO is involved, the Russians basically go balls to the wall. I don't know what that looks like, but I imagine the Russians know they can't win against NATO, so there's only the nightmare scenario left.

Even with China supporting them, the Russians can't win conventional war against NATO. The best they could hope for is a stalemate in Eastern Ukraine, but if those lines are breached, Russia will go nuclear.

>>512744255
You're the one who's losing ukranian men and will have to import millions of sandniggers, jeets and mena people to make your country not bad.

>>512738788 (OP)
With the complete conquest and subjugation of Ukraine.
But it is going to cost Russia dearly to finish the job.

>>512741099
>important and respected ally
you sniff your own farts, don't you? fuck off from europe

>>512742189
>oh no, don't tell me the fleet is not getting shot at! what an embarrassment, they have to take drones head on like real men!
do you guys really?

I hope any Ukrainian who couldn't leave the country and was somehow hiding for 3 years evading the stazi writes a book.

>>512738788 (OP)
>Hardmode: no memespeak
even harder mode: post again in your so far 1pbtid thread, faggot.

>>512739300
>reposts the most primitive self-aggrandizing slav propaganda imaginable

Who fucking cares? Its a useless war that means nothing globally, and no rational person cares about. Can't believe I'm still hearing about this bullshit "war". Go home Ladies!

>>512738788 (OP)
It doesn't, it persists in a 20 year insurgency until China occupies most of Siberia and the Russian Federation becomes a rump state 2.0

>>512739132
Will Ukrainians run out of men at 14:1?
>Ukraine is going to collapse
Will Ukraine collapse at 14:1?

I see the war going on for a good while. The hundreds of millions of mines and endless drones make any big moves very hard for anyone. Unless Ukraine does something spooky and actually goes for Crimea or Russia manages to open a totally new front somewhere

>>512750175
I'm very pro UKR but I don't think that number is realistic, knowing the realities of artillery and glide bombs. Maybe 1:3-5