Thread 512746748

China is in a deflationary death spiral. Total economical meltdown by 2028

>>512746748 (OP)
sounds like yid cope desu

>>512746748 (OP)
It's Jew cope. They will be fine.

>>512746848
>>512746910
the beep bop has been bopped and beeped

>>512746748 (OP)
and the US isn't? With a bullshit economy propped up by wooden houses, walmart, and doordash? Fucking really?

Ok. I can't afford rent

>>512747002
>>512747044
sounds like no one is celebrating in your American oblast

>>512747044
You will be able to in China pretty soon. Sending out templates to my shill minions now. Look forward to lots of "low cost of living in China" threads .

>>512747002
bruh you're coping hard.
china's housing market has crashed four times in the last 10 years.
four fucking times.

nothing, absolutely nothing is more closely linked to your economies stability than the housing market.
house price falling means no one can buy your shitty houses, it means your people have no buying power at all.

fuck kid this is day one shit.
why do you all keep memory hole-ing december 2021 when china's housing market took fucking 40% of China's GDP with it when it crashed.

>>512747099
>>512746991

>>512747002
>and the US isn't?
Isn't deflation what US wants right now? US problem is inflation, not deflation. China's problem is the opposite. Ton of supply but nobody buying them.

>>512746748 (OP)
>Oh no, common prosperity! Everyone will be able to afford an apartment! It's a death spiral! A total economic meltdown!
It's always astonishing how shallow and vapid you mutts are. You never stop and think things through. You simply react like panicked cattle every time you're told to react like panicked cattle.

>>512747244
beepy boppy
>>512747258
state mandates and subsidization leads to gluts and burst bubbles every time. China just can't get over the sparrow killing

>>512747134
Unfortunately we can't immmigrate there nor even get a long term visa. I wanted to stay there as a digital nomad but the visa is only one month which is a no for me. I've been to Hainan and really enjoyed it.
>T. Mutt work from home fag

>>512747287
You're really angry and it's very amusing.

>>512747287
>property prices are crushing! How will the Jews afford their yachts?!
You need to know that anglos are natural golem. They are meant to be cattle slaves.

>>512747339
You just move near HK and then cross the border into HK once a month and it resets your visa.

>>512747339
Interesting, are all Asian countries hardasses when it comes to long term visas?

>>512746748 (OP)
>Jan 2024

>>512747398
It's their nature, yes. We deported and exported the serviles and the degenerates of Europe to the plantation colonies for hundreds of years.

>>512747463
Vietnam does 3 months which is more than enough. I just do a visa run to some Indonesia, China or even Korea. Usually people go to Thailand but its such a shithole that I refuse to go.
>>512747461
HK housing prices are WAY not worth it. I'm not going to move towards a country to pay 1500 dollars in rent. Absolutely fucking no. I pay 300 dollars and that's more than enough.

>all this anti-China botting after they banned alimony
lol, glowies are assmad because the US and their jewish masters will never give anything even remotely as based. Only low IQ self-hating retards and glownigger shills hate China. Fuck the USA! Fuck the West! Fuck Democracy! Fuck the Enlightenment! China proves you never needed any of that shit. Kvetch harder kikes.

>>512746748 (OP)
>chinas homes being cheap is bad
we know kike

>>512746748 (OP)
>home prices are falling
>How will the Chinese ever recover?!?!
lol, i wish we had this problem OP

>>512748109
High deflation is hard to fix. Its not quite on the level of society destroying hyperinflation but its close. The psychology of high deflation is simple:

>People save money instead of spending it
>Economy tanks because nobody buys anything.
>The value of money and savings get higher
>People save money because tomorrow the value of their money and savings is higher.
>Nobody buys anything because tomorrow the price is lower than today so buying today would be stupid.
>Economy keeps tanking and prices keep getting lower.

Its a vicious circle that is hard to break. Governments can raise interest rates to fight inflation but governments don't have a whole lot of weapons against out of control deflation.

>>512746748 (OP)
>deflationary death spiral

How they live without a housing market where 50% of buildings owned by the rich and sitting empty?

>>512747446
asian verbal iq

>>512746748 (OP)
The homes are already built. The assets have been produced and people can live in them. The materials were consumed. Who cares about the financing? It doesn't matter.

>>512748510
>prices keep getting lower
Shieeeeeet, sounds so nice on paper. I've yet to see it in real life though.

>>512749327
It's not so nice when 80% of household wealth is in real estate.

>>512747258
No. Never deflation ever. Even the whiff of deflation would crash our economy. People would jump out of investments instantly. It has to be always inflationary but at a rate controlled by the federal reserve, treasury, and IRS.

We have a fake money system here in which your taxes don’t actually pay for anything. They print money from nothing and the taxes are a measure to destroy our purchasing power, keeping demand in check.

>>512746748 (OP)
>Chinks can easily buy a house.
wtf

>>512746748 (OP)
ITS OVER NO MORE BAT SOUP

BACK TO THE RICE LINES

>>512749626
They can't though. China has the largest real estate bubble in human history by far.

>>512748510
The thing is, people need to buy stuff. They don't sleep on the street for 5 years waiting for housing prices to fall. They don't starve for 5 years waiting for bread prices to fall. Deflation only affects a certain range of products. Most of which are rather useless anyway. Deflation is devastating for consoomerist capitalism. Not for the people, not for the real economy.

>>512746748 (OP)
OUR FACTORIES WHY THEY mOVE TO INDIA NO

>>512749565
Taxes don't pay for government spending anywhere else, either.

>>512749692
China is the largest market in human history by far. The Chinese housing sector was rather overheated for a while and for several political reasons the government didn't intervene against that market malfunction. Now the problem solves itself.

>things are getting cheaper
it is over for China

>>512746748 (OP)
yeah ok peter zeihan
been hearing this cope for years

China needs to be careful. Jews will push for jeets to move in= and fill up all that real estate.

>>512749980
>Now the problem solves itself.
The free market always does, which is why China's command economy is so retarded.

>>512750092
>China's command economy
Not sure if trolling or retarded. Go play Skyrim. Adults are having a conversation here.

>>512750092
please give me an example of a free market
you cant
it doesnt exist
its a meme

>>512746748 (OP)
They just keep spiraling. Been longer than 5 years. I don't think Xi can be in power forever and there's a really good chance china destabilizes without anyone doing anything if he dies cus he old.

But yes, they're addicted to building cheap, useless, dangerous building projects

>>512750280
You have no response and are seething over that.
>>512750322
The black market is the only true free market.

>>512747222
>house price falling means no one can buy your shitty houses
Do you realize how absurd this sounds to someone who isn't part of your cult? How does things becoming cheaper make them less affordable?
>Hurr durr economics 101
I'm aware of that. My point is that economics cultists have a communication problem. What they are saying sounds like mental gymnastics to anyone who isn't already part of the cult.
>house price falling means no one can buy your shitty houses
This sounds utterly deranged to someone who isn't already part of the economics cult.
>why do you all keep memory hole-ing december 2021 when china's housing market took fucking 40% of China's GDP with it when it crashed.
These abstractions and metrics mean absolutely nothing any more. I've been to China. My GF is Chinese. It's doing fine and keeps getting better every year while the west is on the opposite trajectory. If your abstractions and metrics say China is failing and the west is booming, but reality on the ground says China is booming and the west is failing then you are using flawed abstractions and flawed metrics.

>>512748510
The problem is that inflation vs deflation is often a matter of perspective. What do we consider to be "money"? Just fiat currency? Do we count gold etc as money? What about Bitcoin etc? If we view houses as the primary form of money then the west is in hyper-deflation, and why shouldn't we view houses as the primary form of money if that's what everyone's wealth, purchasing power etc is most tightly coupled to?

>>512748510
This is your brain on globohomo economic theory. It doesn't explain why TVs keep dropping in price and everyone keeps buying more of them.

>>512749318
BUT ANON! THE SPECULATORS WILL LOSE MONEY BECAUSE HOUSES LOST 2.3% WHAT THEY COST 37.5 SECONDS AGO! IT'S LITERALLY OVER FOR XI!

>>512748510
That's BS.
People still have to eat and buy clothes and the lower classes have no sense of time preference. The majority of wagies see their pay check as something to zero out until the next one.
They'll buy like crazy if prices fall.
That alone can drive an economy.

>>512749318
They can't live in them. They're made from corn cobs and cardboard.

>>512751665
China adopted building code from Canada and US?

>>512747044
Well we can import cheap housing from China...
OH WAIT! DRUMPF PUT FUCKING TARIFFS!

>>512746991
>hate China, goy
I dont appreciate China is all, but subhuman vile kikes are the larger problem by far.

>>512749847
Exactly.
People believe the bullshit economists write even while knowing they're on the payroll of the investment class.
Deflation is GREAT for the majority.
The investment class though, funds their lifestyle by borrowing against their assets at overvalued prices. So if the value of those assets fall and loans are called in, they are fucked.
If normies understood how that all worked, they're be saying, bring it.

>>512749927
I don’t go too deeply into the monetary policies of other nations but I can say that any other nation using our model is doubly fucked.

>>512751718
Imagine being so new you haven't seen the endless China webm threads on here of sixty story buildings where the fake brick siding peels off like a banana skin.

>>512747258
That's exactly what they're supposed to be doing? They're a 'developing' economy so they can blow money on public works when a state is developing they start to care less about whether or not anyone is interested in their market and hyperfixate on projects. That's the reason for the export focus, if you took that away it's just people who don't care about their government or the market doing jobs for food. Perhaps that's most countries, I honestly couldn't tell you what the point of the market is other than data collection, but it's gotten to the point that even random tribals can use smart phones if they're given starlink and a phone so it's not really a question of infrastructure anymore. The whole neoliberal system is terribly outdated.

>>512751989
And babadupindru pupindu to you as well, saaar

>>512751812
Okay well think about them all the time then and never stop.

>>512747002
>wooden houses
so?
>walmart
so?
>doordash?
irrelevant

>>512746748 (OP)
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>>512753591
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>>512749440
That's a legitimate problem
They need households to sell property and buy liquid securities

>>512751910
It's fine if population and productivity keep pace with money supply. But we all know that hands must be rubbed.

>home prices drop meaning more people can afford them than previously
>people think this is bad because the top .2% of Jews use homes as assets to sell later instead of actually living in

How is this psyop still working?

>>512754251
Please consult the glownigger manual

lmaao laugh at those little chinks
their homes keep getting cheaper, soon every little chink with a job will be able to afford a family home, they'll literally have no blackrock or real-estate investment scene

We must avoid this at all costs. This is a deflationary death spiral. This is total collapse. This is doom and death. A healthy economy needs investment, it needs capital firms holding real estate. If everybody owns their own home then there's no point in investing on Blackrock shares.

>>512747287
A recession is not good because it implies the people became so fucking poor that even when prices finally collapse, the average man STILL doesn't spend his money, because he STILL can't afford it and needs to save as much as possible just to maintain his dues. The average wage in China's richest cities like Shanghai/Beijing etc. is only about $1500 a month, and that's because it's propped up by the literal 1% billionaires who live in those cities. You can google that right now. There are active riots in China right now, and while this information is normally difficult to access, it's gotten so bad you can also google the riots and they actually appear on google/youtube because Chinese people are really fucking angry right now.

>>512746748 (OP)
One positive development Trump is responsible for is buttfucking china to death with his big orange cock.

>>512751271
>YOUR CULT
>my girlfriend is chinese
>i've been to china

So are you african british or british-british (indian)?
Because you've got that third world sensibility in your fucking text ya little fruitcake.

>>512747222
>Overpriced houses get closer to their actual value and regular people can afford them again

The horror!
What do you suggest? Endless appreciation?

>>512746748 (OP)
>Houses are cheap in china and here's why it's a bad thing that people can buy them and start families without beeing indentured servants for the next 25 years of their lives!
They do understand that Chinas economy is, unlike Europe, built on production. Not Speculation on assets. But even so they print this garbage.
I hate the jews.