Thread 512765182

A blueberry bush costs ~20 bucks and will give you far more than 20 bucks worth of blueberries every season, ESPECIALLY if it's an everbearing variety.

You guys talk about investments all the time, but you are wasting your land on growing grass clippings instead of loading it up with all sorts of perennial fruit/nut plants. The returns are so fucking enormous, it's a no-brainer.

>>512765182 (OP)
people have nowhere to live
they don't have the spare room to grow anything

>>512765285
>people have nowhere to live
those are niggercattle not people

>>512765182 (OP)
I grow nettles in my garden

>especially if it’s a GMO variety

It’s all so tiresome these white faggot niggers

>>512765182 (OP)
they banned you going to forest, they will ban this next

>>512765359
that nigger cattle would be you
you are one court decision away from it

>>512765182 (OP)
Birds eat them all here

>>512765402
I do not live in Nova Scotia and my province has a history of bombing the government. Don't push it.

/pol/ - Fruit

>>512765411
If that is a concern, I recommend netting.

>>512765182 (OP)
My best garden investment this season was a Hubbard squash plant, which is spawning 7 separate large fruits this season that I can use for all kinds of cooking and which will store for up to a year once they are cleaned and dried.

The initial investment was $4.99 for the plant. The market value of the squashes is hard to determine, since they aren't usually sold at stores.

Blueberry plants are nice if you can water them regularly and get them enough sun.

>>512765465
WW's 1 and 2 averaged out to ~5 years each.
How long can you live off your emergency food?

>>512765439
>I do not live in Nova Scotia
if you think they are done, your not paying attention

>>512765182 (OP)
Yeah. Those are excellent. Easy to grow, does not take much effort to take care of them.

>>512765479
It's kind of insane how much space a single squash plant can cover. If you don't like the part where you actually dig holes in the dirt, they're a very good option as far as annuals go.

>>512765182 (OP)
Until you're sued into a lifetime of poverty for violating a patent. Was it really worth it for saving $10 on your grocery order?

>>512765558
There's massive pushback. A guy just literally walked up to the police, said "I'm walking into the woods over there in violation of the order" specifically to get a ticket so he can challenge it in court.

I grow blueberries and let all the birds eat them. I like birds.

>>512765367
You don't actually know what a GMO is

>>512765605
So anyway, what rifle do you guys use for dealing with pest animals?

>>512765605
the state is bad yes

>>512765713
Strictly speaking, all our foods are GMO and have been since long before we even knew what genetics was. Our corn is very different from teosinte.

>>512765716
I shoot squirrels with an air rifle.

>>512765759
A lot of early corn isn’t even different utility wise and it takes much less resources to produce.

>>512765716
Ruger American Miniranch

>>512765759
There is a distinct difference between plants that were selected for certain traits and GMOs. The average person can't even buy GMO seeds

>>512765474
if not birds, raccoons and squirrels will fuck your shit up. You need a chickenwire enclosure.

>>512765182 (OP)
I have a tiny yard but still grow potatoes, zucchini and tomatoes on it. I also have some red currant and gooseberry bushes; the soil can't support anything fancier.
Of course my whole family can't subsist on what can be grown here, but it's a nice addition.
For blueberries I can just walk into the forest from my backyard and come back with any amount of berries I want. They're free and no one has time to pick them all.

This shit so bad now I bet the seed rot real easy.

>>512765182 (OP)
peppers and tomatoes are my crop of choice. i have too much salsa stored in my bunker

>>512765873
>You need a chickenwire enclosure.

Exactly, ugly and makes the garden look shit. If I want to eat blueberries myself, I just buy them from the supermarket. They taste exactly the same as the ones I grow for birds, or the ones grown on the farms near here.

>>512765873
Rabbits will also eat my blueberry canes to the ground over the winter if I don't protect them

>>512765759
That's fucking bred to be. GMO on the other hard artificially changing DNA structure which fucks with people on the long term but that doesn't matter fuck the future I need big bucks NOW

>>512765182 (OP)
deers eat them all

>>512765405
Someone is angry lol

>>512766000
There are a bunch of old methods.
One classic one is irradiating seeds.
More modern techniques are much more precise, giving the plants the specific modifications desired. You do it by shooting the plant with a "gene gun" (Yes, really).

>>512765182 (OP)
i need to own land for that :(

>>512766057
sounds like a free meat situation

>>512766000
Not everyone wants to whore themselves out as a hobby

>>512765479
Hubbard are delicious. Taste similar to butternut, but get up to 20 pounds.

>>512766057
Fun fact: Deer are edible.
>>512765989
So are rabbits.

Dude just grow your own food in your toxic suburban soil where all the produce you grow will have 500x the lead concentration!!!!
Boomers poisoned the earth and never apologized for it.

>>512765479
not bad anon, happy 4 u. great win

>>512766149
You want these berry pickers to eat meat? Dumb

>>512765439
Im pretty sure I read this exact line when discussing early covid lockdowns in Canada on this board.
Nothing ever happens.

>>512765847
The Ruger American is a nice option. I was thinking of grabbing a Mossberg MVP to make use of my AR mags.

>>512765405
I'm not a nigger that can't pay his bills. What about you? Kek.

>>512766162
I live in the countryside, maybe you should too.

>>512766196
The Canadian government had to declare martial law to end the protests, Anon.
Where was your national lockdown protest?
Oh wait, you didn't have one?
Maybe YOU were the cucks.

As reminder, if you want to save on fertilizer, and are planing to use your own urine. At first dilute it to 20% concentration.
If possible, look at weather prognosis. If at night will be mild rain, water urine solution on bushes at evening.

>>512766296
Just piss on the compost pile.

>>512765182 (OP)
The blueberry bush i have is a piece of shit. Apple and cherry trees are much better.

>>512766296
Alternatively just piss on your compost pile

>>512766329
>is a piece of shit
For what reason?

>>512766329
The sweet cherries don't do too well in my climate. Just a bit too cold. The sour cherries love cold, though.

>>512766372
Look into the University of Saskatchewan sour bush cherries. I have several of them

>>512766329
>blueberry
Is it planted in ericaceous compost, and are you watering it with pH 4.5 to 5.5 water during dry spells?

>>512766321
Have not tried it.
But for plants, undiluted urine can be a bit too "concentrated". Especially, if they receive it in same spot again, and again, and again.
When diluted, and once in two weeks (during phase of rapid growing), works well. Three weeks before harvest, stop.

>>512766413
I was looking at the nanking cherries. I have very little room for trees, so I gotta be very selective. Semi-dwarf max.

>>512766340
>>512766455

>>512766372
They are sour cherries and i didn't plant them. My commie grandparents did, i think.

>>512766362
Not enough blueberries
>>512766419
No, but thanks for the info

>>512766523
>My commie grandparents did
Because they would've died otherwise.
Everyone had to grow food or starve and we're likely headed into to similar times.

>>512765182 (OP)
The acidic soil is a pain in the ass to maintain if you don’t have naturally in your ground though

>>512766463
UofS cherries will blow nanking cherries out of the water, don't even bother. You should have no trouble finding them in leafland, they're a bit harder to get here

>>512766596
>Not enough blueberries
Blueberries can be moderately self-fertile but generally need a pollinating partner. Get yourself a second bush

>>512766596
>Not enough blueberries
Self-fertile plants still produce much larger yields if they have a genetically dissimilar partner nearby.

>>512765405
>you are one court decision away from it
It's the free market, man. It sorts it self out, man.

>>512765182 (OP)
It takes a few years for a fruit tree to start to produce a large amount of fruit, also you can get fucked if the soil isn't good and weather can fuck you up real good.

>>512766607
True, that's exactly why I grow mine in fabric pots.

>>512767019
Stocks don't give you earnings right away, either. That's why I made the comparison.

>>512767073
Don't know about investing but imo growing fruit trees has less return. You have to be either dumb or stubborn if you want fruit trees, and I would know since it's second year that I'm fucked by the weather. Oh well there always next year.

>>512766643
>>512766638
Interesting. It's a small bush, maybe it will grow. I just checked what it looks like.

>>512767461
To continue the stock analogy, it's important to have a broad portfolio. Don't just have one kind of plant. Have something that fruits early, something that fruits mid-season, something that fruits late. Choose varieties that are hardy to both higher and lower than average temperatures for your area. I'm in zone 5, but most of my plants are good to zones 3 or 4.

>>512767068
I don’t bother and just grow other berries. It hits -30c where I live and I don’t want to drag a bush into the garage every winter unless someone has a better idea

>>512765365
I planted Japanese knotweed in your garden.

>>512765182 (OP)
What do you imagine is the net worth of the average autistic NEET virgin posting on /pol/? How many acres of land do you figure most of the posters here own?
Of those of us who do own land, what makes you think it is all ready for planting, will support food crops, or that we don't already have some fruits planted?

>>512767528
Berry bushes generally take 3 years to reach maturity. You'll get a small harvest on the second, but if you're really a tryhard you pluck the flowers until the third year to tell the plant to focus on roots. I don't do that kind of stuff. I'm not crazy about pruning for maximum yield and all that. I let the plants more or less grow as they feel they need to in that environment. They know their own biology better than I do.

>>512765182 (OP)
found 1.5kg of chicken of the woods yesterday

>>512767679
What are you growing?
My currants and raspberries are doing really well.

>>512767742
Okay, if Anon is a NEET living in his mother's basement, then I'm sure she would be overjoyed if he took an interest in a field that is the very definition of productive.
>Hey Mom, do you mind if I do a whole bunch of landscaping work for free? Also you get free produce
Even Boomers will say yes to free stuff.

>>512767798
Raspberries and currants actually. Planning on getting a Bartlett pear tree next year

>>512767796
FUCKING SCORE.
Legit jealous.

>>512767550
I got fucked by sudden frost, massive hail storm and really hot weather, so no cherries, no peaches, no apples and no pears this year. By some miracle strawberries survived, figs are great and I got a lot of blackberries. So I hope you are having a better year then me.

>>512765881
You guys lack Mexicans. This fuckers strip the parks and forests bare as soon as anything is edible. They gather acorns and horse apples. No idea what they do with them btmy the bucket load.

They gather shit too early and kill the source plants seemingly just to prevent others from foraging too. Keep quiet about your blueberries or squatty little beaners will show up and strip the forest bare!

>>512767906
>Bartlett pear
DON'T.
They STINK.
Get an Asian pear. IIRC they handle the cold better, anyway.

>>512768001
Pears have the advantage of not being filled with worms and their shit like apples do. Flies stay away from them for some reason.

>>512767897
>Okay, if Anon is a NEET living in his mother's basement, then I'm sure she would be overjoyed if he took an interest in a field that is the very definition of productive.
If any of these demoralized losers had the motivation or future time orientation for planing a fruit tree they'd be home-owners or working towards it.
Now tell me how much effort will it take me to clear rough northeast forest full of hardwood and granite to clear a couple of acres to turn into an orchard? Can I do it with just my skid steer and chainsaw or will I need an excavator and a skidder?

>>512767942
>massive hail storm
Aww, that's unfortunate. We get those every now and again, as well. It gives the auto body shops lots of work. Golf ball sized lumps of ice.
The grapes here got most of the leaves devoured by fucking Japanese beetles despite my best efforts to spray them with soapy water. I'm crossing my fingers, but I don't expect them to be as sweet as they were last year.

>>512767679
Understandable, I'd be the same under those conditions. I have a couple of lemon trees I'm bringing inside over winter, but that's my limit.

>>512765182 (OP)
I've got a lime tree.
Last year I plucked all the fruit off it as it formed so it would put all of its energy into growing bigger.
This year it's producing limes the size of tennis balls and so many of them that I don't know what to do with them since I gave up drinking the year before I got the tree, so margaritas are out.
These limes are so big that I get about 1/4 cup of juice out of each one.
Have made lime pie, lime cheesecake, lime and coconut cake. Going to have a stab at marmalade with them this weekend.

>>512768089
The fastest way into a man's heart is through his stomach. Everyone loves good food.
Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when fruits and vegetables from the grocery store actually tasted of something. Modern tomatoes are like wet Styrofoam.

>>512768194
Try candied lime, also. It's fucking amazing.

>>512765182 (OP)
Kek imagine being poor and not just buying anything you want when you want it.
Spend time to create money. Why would I spend time to create food when the ROI on creating money is much more efficient.

>>512768089
its the stumps and big boulders gonna be the challenge of course. just start small and see how it goes i guess.

>>512765182 (OP)
Pair that with a freeze dryer and you've got a legitimate money printer or top-tier prepping tool, that can save foods for 25 years. Either way thats a massive W

>>512767942
I feel you anon, I lost all my cherries, peaches, plums and apples this year too from a late frost.
>fig I started from a cutting over the winter

>>512768171
I have 2 lemons, 2 limes and a kumquat that I bring in, they give me something to do over the winter

>>512768342
>Go to store
>No food
>Fuck
>Food bank
>No food
>Go to farmer
>Won't take your money
>FUCK
>Go to neighbour who grows food
>He tells you to go fuck yourself
>All the money, no food to eat

>>512768148
Damn that's rough man. I heard that Asians soak tobacco in water and spray plants with it, but it can fuck up some plants.

>>512768433
Freeze drying is very energy intensive and you DO need to maintain the vacuum pump. Dehydrators are more attainable for the average person.

>>512768451
Look at how fucking JUICY it is, holy shit.

>>512768342
It's just a hobby for me, it actually works out more expensive than buying from the store after fertiliser and compost are taken into account (I can't be arsed to make my own). My sungold tomatoes are much sweeter than anything I can find in the supermarket tho, and lettuce is a nicer when freshly picked, as opposed to sitting in a bag in the chiller for a week.

>>512768240
>Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when fruits and vegetables from the grocery store actually tasted of something.
Nigger, I'm 52, I own 10 acres, and have a garden and some fruit trees, berries, and grapes on my land. I raise ducks, geese, and chickens (sometimes turkeys) for meat and get a bit of venison when deer are stupid enough to come through my yard.
Now tell me why I'd drop 30-50 grand on an excavator to open up enough space to plant more food than I can eat when that same 30-50K in a dividend paying stock throws off enough money every year to buy all the food I can eat.

>>512768384
>just start small and see how it goes
Just say you've never tried to clear land before.

>>512768451
I hope you have more luck next year, and I hope you enjoy figs for many more years they are a very underated fruit.

>>512768568
Because that supply is not necessarily going to be there in the coming years.
Let me put it this way...
You know how SIG screwed the pooch with the P320? Well Glock suddenly has military orders that take precedence over the entire civilian market, so if you want a Glock in the near future buy it right now.

>>512768384
>>512768633
I've actually done the job of going into fields and picking out all the rocks. It's very difficult work. I much prefer fruit picking. Mostly did apples and berries, but that's what my areas grows, so...

>>512768798
area*
fat fingered that one.

>>512768702
>Because that supply is not necessarily going to be there in the coming years.
I bought a literal ton of store-able food some years ago. I've got enough wheat berries, oats, beans, rice, and salt to survive for 2 years without leaving my property (that has solar and a dug and drilled well) and a year's supply of meat before I'm doing just beans for protein.
Good luck being a subsistence farmer though. I've got to get to work because land, a house, vehicles, and heavy equipment takes money to operate and maintain.

>>512767742
>What do you imagine
>Leaf made a good post

Everyone should be thinking long-term and food for forage. Don't have land? Guerilla garden. So many plants with tubers & leaves that 99% would just walk by. Plant on state land, parks, town woods, etc. Most they do is mow lawns. State workers aren't checking plants at periphery. Only guideline is do not plant near roads. Unburned fuel, detergents, oil all get into soil. You don't want to eat that.

>>512765182 (OP)
You don't buy asparagus at the (((supermarket))),
right?

>>512765182 (OP)
I have very large gardens and a few fruit trees. my wife and I really love gardening and eating our harvests.
No matter what I do ai cannot grow blueberry to save my life. I have read everything there is to read about it.
I bought the right soils. I even got so desperate I would check the ph of the water and the soil. I used all the right nutrients. I have tried to grow 4 different blueberry bushes and they have all failed me. same with raspberry. I would love to have fresh raspberry jam!
with say no to me. Thankfully basically everything else we have tried to grow did/does fine.

>>512768885
WW2 lasted 6 years, Anon.

>>512768633
i mean start with a small area and see how you get on with it. if you cant do it with the tools you have, then you'll know. but whatever.

>>512768938
Nice, might have go at that next year.

Going to grow some Japanese Mizuna and Mibuna too. Good luck finding those in a local supermarket.

>>512768934
All varieties of hosta shoots are edible.

>>512768938
I planted ~35 crowns this year, can't wait. My absolute favorite vegetable

>Grows useless forest plant in his garden.
>Meanwhile lithuanian forests are full of things for free that you grown in your garden.

>>512769040
>t. deernigger

>>512769047
>Can you BELIEVE he planted FOREST PLANTS in his FOOD FOREST?
>WHAT A RETARD

>>512765182 (OP)
>don't have the spare room to grow
u can grow a few anon

>>512769132
I tried this with strawberries and they got dry too fast, as well as one side not receiving any sun and falling over in the wind if it's more than 3 high

>>512765285
>don't have the spare room to grow
u can grow a few anon

>>512767957
>gather acorns

Ideally white oak type (picrel). Much lower in tannins, can be boiled out quickly and used. 50/50 flour or cornmeal and make bread, it's good. Many recipes and processing info online.

>>512769112
only braindead retards plants forests plants in his garden and not something more useful. Move into Lithuania while land is stil cheap, Go into forest and stop wasting your land for some wasteful shit.

>>512769132
>by lowering ground level we can raise sea level and reduce all usable land

>>512769047
Forest berries suck. They're tiny. They're more of a gypsie thing.

Vertical planting is the next big scam after “bigger harvest”

>>512769256
Just feed those to pigs, tee bee ache, family.

>>512765182 (OP)
>>512765479

Are you aware that you're impacting GDP negatively? Kikes are going to suffer because of your actions.

>>512769218
>>512769287
sry anons i had posted to wrong person

>>512765182 (OP)
depends
on the side of the streets, sure, you'll get decent money for it. But you won't sell tons of this stuff
selling in bulk to a trader, it's really not that much, unless you've got big plantation and workers.

>>512769321
Nutrient content of berries is huge. Especially the richly coloured ones like aronia or bilberry.

>>512769321
Lmao completely braindead. Blueberies grow best in forest you complete degenerate.

>>512769380
My local pépinière is doing quite well, thanks.

>>512769394
Restaurants love fresh local produce.

>>512765182 (OP)
Blueberries are overrated
Such a gross ass fruit.

>>512769040
>hosta

Wild, I just read about that. We call it deer chow. Best in spring and new shoots from what I read. We have a lot of it, will give it a shot. Another champ is dandelions, eat the whole damn plant. Again, new leaves. Get bitter as they age. Flowers excellent battered & fried.

>>512765182 (OP)
There is literally 2-3 pests/invasive species for every major orchard fruit now.
You'll have fruit flies on walnut and cherry trees that can damage entire harvests, several types of moths that go on apple trees.
You'll end up spending more money/time on pesticides than you would have for buying the fruits. Not to mention that pesticides aren't even feasible for larger trees.
Then add the extra amount of water that you will need in some years, pruning and picking, all takes effort and resources.
If you have the time, space and motivation to do it, it's fine. Definitely not a no brainer.

>>512769397
>aronia
Aren't those awfully tasting?

>>512769397
I forgor I planted one of these this year too

>>512769418
You can grow bigger ones yourself. We can modify every natural plant to be better.

>>512769343
>feed those to pigs

One year acorns were ankle deep. Would be great feed if you keep animals, we don't. Thinking about goats though to deal with weeds.

>>512769647
This goes for everything. Nature doesn't pull shit dna from the gene pool as immediately as we do.

>>512765182 (OP)
in USA the blueberry (and other) bushes they sell are a trick, they are made to die soon after you buy them no matter what you do. i dont know how but its a fact that i plant them in the ground following internet tutorials to caretake them and they always die.

>>512769465
yeah, you could probably drive around and ask, if not too many people had that same idea
where's will, there's way. But I don't think it's anything more than just a way for few hundreth bucks on the side, once per season, unless you do bulk sales and have workers. If you have various kinds of berries, you can probably extend the harvesting period to like a month.

how much have you made on the berries this year? I think for a single person with a garden, few hunrdeths bucks is realistic, if they're diligent about it. So an amount most of the tards here wouldn't even bend down to pick up

>>512769647
Thats not blueberry you braindead imbecile, you can only grow disgusting heathberrys, you need forest for blueberies.

>>512765182 (OP)

THATS NOT BLUEBERRY BUT HEATHBERRY YOU COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON.

>>512769418
>Blueberies grow best in forest

Mine in middle of yard, full sun, ~19mm berries.

>>512769787
>t. gypsie education

>>512769793
THATS NOT BLUEBERRY INBECILE BUT HEATHBERRY OR BILBERRY INBECILE.

>>512769787
based blue berry against heathen berry crusader

>>512769859
billburry

>>512769787
The forest is gay in any case

>>512765182 (OP)
Those aren't blueberries. Blueberries grow in small shrubs and they cost you nothing, they're all over every forest. Those things aren't even blue on the inside, just blue-ish on the outside.

>>512769832
THIS IS BLUEBERRY YOU MORON, IT GROWS IN FORESTS AN HAS INCREDIBLE NUTRIETS.
>>512765182 (OP)
THIS IS HEATHENBERRY CONTAINING NO VALUE ONLY SUGAR.

>>512769397
>ones like aronia or bilberry
>Leafs coming thru today

In northern New England, had both at old house. Should plant where we are at now. Aronia great in baking.

>>512769554
Not many plants put out berries constantly throughout the growing season, though. That's pretty cool.
I do prefer saskatoons, though.

>>512769953
>>512769859
It's literally just North American blueberry vs European blueberry. They're both vaccinium

>>512769556
Yeah, you only harvest really early in the spring when they are still like little spikes poking out of the ground. You treat them like asparagus. Chop them up and sauté them in butter with some pepper.

>>512765182 (OP)
Dear Diary
Today, leaf faggot OP was not a faggot
But he was still a leaf

>>512770071
no its not RETARD. Blueberries dye your hands blue, heathenberries are just sugar bomb trash.

>>512769593
Eating them raw would be a waste.
Same as red currants. Make a jam.

>>512769780
Where do you live?

>>512769786
I'm not selling them. I'm growing for personal use.

>>512770034
>saskatoon

Believe this in yard now, bushes are tall, berries excellent.

>>512770230
so if you have no business model tested, why are you presenting this to anons as a business idea?
there's no returns in this. You just don't spend your money on berries. You could do that without berries as well

>>512770017
Ironically, it's originally from here but became more popular in Europe.

>>512769787
The real blueberry is apparently called a "bilberry" in American.
The American "blueberries" are a different plant altogether. (If you ever wondered why the supermaket so-called "blueberries" taste nothing like the real thing - now you know.)

>>512765716
Trap then swimming in a rain barrel

>>512770147
It's ok anon, you're allowed to be wrong and learn from it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueberry

>>512770315
I have been proposing it for personal consumption this whole time, but it absolutely can spin off into a business or at the very least be a good bribe for your neighbours.
Getting a basket of hazelnuts would make anyone (who isn't allergic to nuts) happy.

>>512765182 (OP)
You dont need to grow it yourself, its all over the woods, nobody farms blueberries

This thread needs Finns to comment
>t. Finland, land of 1000 berries.

>>512770354
We grow more varieties than you think. The "wild" blueberries you get from Quebec are fucking amazing.

>>512770079
>treat them like asparagus
>another one to plant

Some are perennial, just keep harvesting them.

>>512765182 (OP)
I get like a handful of blueberries out of my bush every year
Not really worth it

>>512770381
LMFAO you grow that trash in your garden? I ate it one time and moved back to bilberies.

>>512770354
thanks for the clarification.

>>512770504
Plant a second one, we've been over this. Self-fertile plants produce more with a partner.

>>512770381
When Europeans say "blueberry" they mean this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilberry

The American "blueberry" to the real thing is like an American nigger to a real homosapien.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbhziUSIzmE

These things are fucking amazing.

>>512770354
Bilberries/blaeberries have never been known as the original blueberry
But yes bilberries are vastly superior, shame you can only really get them wild in this country. Used to live near a big patch of them

>>512765285
"people" who live in cities arent people.

>>512770610
OR, hear me out, you could PLANT SOME.

>>512765182 (OP)
These are not blueberries though. If the juice color doesn't ruin cloth forever it's not a blueberry.

>>512769968
Nah. Those are "blackberries". Forest blueberries look like picrel.

>>512765182 (OP)
American Blueberries fucking suck. Watery, big, taste like shit. Real people eat European billberries.

>>512770730
No, blackberries are the black raspberries.

>>512770504
>handful of blueberries

They like acid soil. You can amend it with coffee grounds if you have them.

>>512770696
You cant, bilberies only grow in forest. bilberies need delicate forest ecosystem, they will get out-competed by other species in on plantations.

>>512770696
Blaeberries are minimally productice compared to blueberries, variable in their output even in the wild in a big clump, and most of the UK doesn't have the soil for them
Blueberries are a better option for container growing. Might get another bush if they really do better with some cross pollination

>>512770362
sad but true

>>512770790
Then you CREATE THAT ECOSYSTEM.
That's the point of permaculture, Anon.

>>512770767
Here those are called as "goose berries", but what in Americas are known as gooseberries, called as "thornberries".

>>512770362
although careful about using that water. some of those critters carry some nasty parasites and stuff and might shit some out. raccoons are bad.

>>512770730
those are shitty bilberies, without any taste, the darker ones that grow in my country are much sweeter and intense.

>>512770771
Yeah I have it in ericaceous soil in a container. It is well watered but notice there is a bit of chlorosis this year, might need to get some fertiliser for it

>>512770857
... What the fuck is wrong with Latvia?

>>512770849
You need a forest ecosystem. You need to grow a forest and plant bilberies there.

>>512770950
>CAN YOU BELIEVE HE PLANTED FOREST PLANTS IN HIS FOOD FOREST?

>>512770790
They can grow on open heathland, hill slopes etc, I rarely see them grow in forests in this country and where they do they are weaker

>>512770976
True dat. they only grow in forests here and are delicious, more sweet than I found in other countriesin non forests.

I have 3 blueberry bushes, a peach tree, and a fig tree.

Eating well all summer, pesticide free.

>>512765182 (OP)
local chuddie discovers doing labor in exchange for profits

>>512770974
do you even imagine how much work you need to cultivate a forest you braindead moron.

>>512770914
Those "darker" ones, they are in waaaay higher numbers. It makes more sense to focus on picking up those, as you can get more of them, per hour (if you don't mind mosquitos, and other forest insects which will try to bite you).

>>512771092
Sometimes all people need is encouragement and actually helpful advice. Your hatred of others is larger than your willingness to make the world a better place. Clearly the hallmark of a great person. /s

>>512769218
you're right, you'd have to be there turning it throughout the day, ez solution would be, something sturdier (for wind) & facing one way (toward sun).
>>512769338
it works for climbing plants/vines

>>512771113
I dont pick them, poor people pick bilberies for me and i buy 1 liter for 5 euro. Sometimes i go hiking in forest and find good untouched massive spots.

>>512765182 (OP)
House I bought has a 30 foot row of them that must have been planted like 20 or 30 years ago. I prune them every winter and we get a shit ton of blueberries. I have also planted more because I like them. Zone 8.

>>512771105
>Companion planting is impossible, you can't do it
The bar can hardly be set any lower, Anon. If you think this is all beyond you, then your learned helplessness is beyond fixing.

>>512769787
>>512770354
Does not matter what kind it is
Leaf OP's point is instead of growing grass clippings, grow something that will be a food source for you and for others.
He's not wrong
I watched a video of a barely-sapient Hue grow a banana tree in half a 2 liter bottle on the roof of his ghetto using nothing but dirt and rainwater
If some hue can do it, then others can

>>512771113
the trick is to use hair combs and pick all bush instantly.

>>512771201
bet the same thing happens when you scratch your ass.

>>512771047
There's probably an extent to which it's just too cloudy here for them to do well in the understorey compared to elsewhere
This is the patch I used to pick, can't see it well but the light green are the bushes, they were always very productive

>>512765182 (OP)
This reminds me of that funny Owen Benjamin's bit, in which black people come up with a new hustle, to use seeds to grow food and sell it for a profit

Like the black is letting you in into the scam, because you'd be making money on just waiting for the plants to grow

>>512771201
I know someone rich enough that they have a private helicopter. You know what they use it for?
Going to their berry field to pick the fruit.

>>512770927
We have around 10 berries which you can pick up in a forest, including "bear berry". Probably named because some ancient balt seen some bear eating them in late summer.

>>512771235
do what you want moron, ruining natural forests here is illegal, you only can pick bilberies that grow naturally and not plant them.

>>512771250
just grow an apple tree if you want pure nutritional calories from sugar you moron.

>>512770457
>nobody farms blueberries
picrel: exists

>>512771336
>Bearberry
That's a cool one. I'm also looking at crowberry.

>>512771058
>and a fig tree

How long ago was that planted? Had a fig in yard when I lived in CA. It was there 75 years or more. Great trees, wonderful fruit. Had loquats too, also wonderful. Yard was a snack bar.

>>512771374
>and not plant them.
Why the fuck not?

>>512771272
>jeet cant stop thinking about feces.

>>512771377
name?

>>512769218
>strawberries

Chipmunk vermin eats them as soon as they start to turn pink. Will do them again but under wire mesh.

>>512771433
because its illegal to ruin forest natural moss.

>>512771374
The first thing I did when I bought this little run down farm on a foreclosure was reclaim a horse pasture gone to weeds and plant an orchard
Apples, walnuts, plums, almonds...

>>512771269
Sisters like berry picking. Personally, I am more of a mushroom guy. Also, later in autumn, when there are a lot of shrooms, mosquitos and other insects are less active, and you can spend waaaaay longer hours before getting annoyed.

But about those combs, they are leaving mess. Does not look nice. Reason why are not very popular here.

>>512771437
you continue to be the most retarded and disgusting poster itt. i hope you're happy.

>have to pay for place
>have to spend time caring for it
>have to buy insecticide
>only get half a case at once

Blueberries cost 3$ bro. Farmers price stuff so that it is dumb for you to grow it, your math is awful

>>512771484
The colour is actually the fruit tanning. It's not actually necessary for ripeness.

>>512771487
That doesn't explain why you can't plant them in your yard. It's a fucking local plant.

>>512765182 (OP)
>leafsplaining something that can't grow everywhere
I mean, I've got these growing in my yard, but I don't eat enough pizza to grind them up on.

>>512771539
>>512771539
>>have to buy insecticide
You are retarded.

>>512771607
Make a hot sauce or something.

>>512765359
No, some people can't afford housing after a lifetime of work because faggot boomers turned homes into financial instruments. Stop being an ignorant jackwagon.

>>512771631
He killed all his pollinators and wonders why he gets no yield.

>>512771652
I've tried, they're so small and thin that the only thing good to do with them is dry and grind them.

>>512771411
It's not very old. I planted it about 7 years ago. Last year was the first time it really produced a significant amount of fruit. This year looks like it'll be even better.

>>512771449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--PBy1QYHss

>>512771404
Name "cranberry" are composed from "crane berry". As during autumn migration, they liked to hang out in swamps. For a rest.

>>512771250
>Leaf OP's point is
>100%

And it's a great point. Even in an apartment get some containers and grow something you can eat, peppers, cukes, herbs, anything. Learn to cook too, best skill you can have. This hit home during lockdowns and "supply chain interruption". We ate well as we knew what to do with what was available.

>>512771704
Yeah, so toss them in some nice vinegar and let it take in all the goodness.

>>512771578
plant your useless blueberries with no nutritional value its not my bussiness. Bilberies are the actually valuable stuff and they only grow in forests.

>>512771404
How about some snozberries?

>>512771770
You can grow potatoes in piled up old truck tires or 5 gallon buckets if you drill holes in the bottom
Otherwise, it gets moldy

>>512771336
Those are hard to find. They're in swamps. I'm afraid of swamps.

>>512771832
It's all about variety, man.
>>512771876
Watch it, or I'll feed you some soap berries.

>>512771250
> it takes no brains to grow something in Brazil
You don't say.

>>512771895
Not if your country is just one large swamp

>>512771659
you live in the richest country in human history, if youbare too stupid to get any of it you are a worthless retard

>>512771814
Yes, that's exactly what I tried. It also doesn't help that only a few go ripe every day, and then they start drying up immediately.
>>512771680
I let the local wild sunflowers grow in my yard this year. The wild bees (smaller than honeybees, and no stinger on their butt) love them. The coolest part is probably the few mutant flowers that have extra rows of petals, up to and including flowers that are all petals like a yellow chrysanthemum.

If you're lazy, you could plant some jujube. You can either eat it when it looks like pic related, which tastes like a caramel apple, or you can leave it on the tree and let it dehydrate on its own, which we call "Chinese dates". No processing necessary.

>>512771876
Sorry. Best I can do is a sneedberry.

>>512772102
Dry peppers will be better for making into a sauce anyway.

>>512771981
Not seeing where Leaf OP is wrong
tj0hj

>>512772164
It takes a massive mental investment to grow even grass clippings in white people country.

You Americans and other niggers have no idea how good you really have it.

>>512771714
>about 7 years ago

Amazing, that's a reset for me. Thought they took decades to produce. New England not good climate for them.

>>512771895
Eventually you will stumble on them, while picking shrooms. Remember that place, remember how to get there. And you will have your own "bear berry" spot.

Swamps can be quite fun. Just need to be careful, and not to do dumb stuff.

>>512772298
>New England
Yeah, you're just on the edge of where it can be done without bringing the figs in every winter.

>>512772391
How to become a bog body in one easy step

>>512765182 (OP)
on our last walk in the forest, my friend who worked an australian blueberry farm, took a little blueberry bushling from the forest we happened upon. He explained to me that you can quite quickly breed them at home to produce larger berries.

>>512771885
>potatoes
>yessir!

Had Yukon with eyes. Put a few pieces in big deep pot after last frost on front porch so rain could get it. Did nothing, turned into big leaf bush. Sometime in August dumped it over and had 15+, 2-3" mini potatoes. They were delicious.

>>512772531
Even fruit that aren't actually tasty, like many of the wild plum varieties across the Americas, are still useful for breeding.

>>512772458
Likely, there are open water (lake) few meters further. And it is not really a bog, more as lake which is turning into it. And there is about 40cm thick layer of growth at surface of water, which is thick enough that people can walk on it.

>>512772606
Might be an artificial lake. Decomposing plant matter just starts floating after a while.
I've always been really tempted to shoot one of those floating piles of methane with a flare gun.

>>512769256
you're telling me these little dicklings are actually food??????

>>512765182 (OP)
Looking to eventually get there.
Just got peas and fucked up pumpkin as of now.

>>512772768
You have to process them if you want to eat them yourself. Not really worth it. Just feed them to pigs or something.

>>512772769
Squash is really fun because they hybridize super easily. Very easy to make your own varieties.

>>512765182 (OP)
yeah but the dirt is poisoned. What the fuck do you think happened to all the lead in leaded gasoline that was used for many decades? Let alone the other heavy metals.

>>512772688
Dunno. Likely natural lake.
In some places, patches of such "growth layer" detaches, and floats as islands over lake. Depending on a lake. Sometimes they again get stuck at one of coasts, and "re-attaches" again.

>>512772851
As opposed to the dirt on the farm where your food is currently coming from? Or did it get shipped in from a different planet?

>>512772397

Just read there are a couple varieties that work but seems like too much effort. Not put in any fruit trees yet, Next year maybe dwarf apples & pears. Have sickly grapes I'm trying to save.

>>512772851
>>512772926
its easy and cheap to get your soil tested if you think its a problem

>>512772978
Apples are a pain in the ass, IMO. Not worth it unless you make cider.
Plums do well in your area, both the European and Asian varieties.

>>512772261
You assume I am some provincial burger faggot who has never been anywhere or done anything
A bit of poetic license
I've lived on 3 continents for years at a time
Spent time in stinking malaria and yellow fever infested central and south American mangrove swamps.
Baked in the burning desert sun where the dust fine as wheat flour gets into everything.
Had to live in 3rd world shitholes where you have to step over bodies laying on the sidewalk to get anywhere
Stood in the morning stillness in the snow and bitter cold at sunrise - and listened to all the church bells in a German city ring at the same time on Christmas morning in celebration of Our Savior's birth
I live where I do and grow my own food because I have seen the world, and I think what I do for the same reasons
You are correct - most Americans do not know how good they have it

>>512772768
>you're telling me these little dicklings are actually food??????

In ancient times, in southern Europe, people grew olive trees. In more nothern climate, oak trees. As you can harvest acorns, and feed it to pigs. One of reasons, why in ancient time, at almost every farmers house there was oak tree. In Spain, they still have regional pork variety, which is famous because pigs were fed on specific locally grown acorns.

You can use acorns as medicine too, but there are special procedure to prepare them. Relatively rarely used, as there are alternatives which require way less hassle.

>>512772575
I made the mistake of assuming more = better
My wife likes yellow potatoes
Closest to what they have to where she is from are Yukons
I planted some seed potatoes
Big hit.
Year after that I planted 100 seed potatoes
We had to call in family to help dig them all up
We were giving them away by the bagful - no idea where to put them all
Had bushels of them in the basement

>>512765182 (OP)
Just go to the nearby forest and pick some? The blueberries are everywhere.

>>512765182 (OP)
Now tell me how I can benefit from all this in a 1 room apartment as I'm not a multi millionaire so I cannot afford a house with a yard..

>>512772298
>Thought they took decades to produce
I got a ripe fruit two days ago from a cutting I started over the winter >>512768451

>>512771539
>Blueberries cost 3$ bro
And you get shitty Peruvian blueberries bred to be as tasteless and good for travel as possible

>>512765182 (OP)
I have one, but it does NOT make as many berries as OP shows in picrel. It's not too small (like 60 cm x 60 cm), and it can grow to about 1.5m x 1.5m. I could eat about 5-10 berries every other day, and it does so only in the summer for about 2 months. Even now when it's still hot, and it's kinda over (the berries aren't growing big anymore). So until next year when I'll be able to eat from it again.
>>512765411
The only times any bird would come eat some was when I forgot to go and pick the fruit (forgot more than 2 days).
>>512765873
Raccoons and squirrels do fuck up my entire garden, and netting does fuckall. I really need a chickenwire enclosure, but it looks like shit. But they don't touch my blueberry bush for some reason.

>>512772838
I'll make pol's pumpkin or squash one day.
A cultivar made in freezing injin land for pol's amusement.

>>512773239
Okay, but imagine just stepping outside in your bathrobe, coffee still in-hand, and you just pluck some fresh fruit right off the bush a few steps from your door.

>>512772391
Did they get out of there?
But i'm legit afraid of swamps.

>>512765182 (OP)
I live in the desert, only thing I can grow are cactus fruit and dates.

>>512766329
Yeah same I can barely eat 10 berries every 2 days.
>>512766419
How? Do you mean to add vinegar to the water when watering it?

>>512772768
>actually food

Yes but only those. The smaller red oak too but way more boiling to process. These bad enough as the shells have to be split to get meat out. I take a big bowl, put something mindless on, and split open with wide chisel. Then chop up insides into tiny pieces and boil for 10 minutes. Water turns brownish. Dump water & repeat until clear. For me that was 2x until clear. What's left mashed up and used wet with flour or cornmeal & baked. Dried and use as flour (maybe, not tried that). Or added to soups & stews. I've used it with corn meal to make muffins. Did not rise as much and were dense. But, they tasted great. Not really figured out a decent recipe yet but could eat those often. If not such a pain in the ass to process would do it more.

>>512773293
There are lots of varieties of blueberries, Anon.
Lowbush, midbush, highbush and all of them have varieties that bloom earlier or later than others. Some bloom all season, and those are the "everbearing" ones.

>>512765182 (OP)
Most people are too stupid to plant a blueberry bush in soil with the correct ph and nutrients.

>>512773375
That's a cool looking plant.

What's your hardiness zone?

>>512773101
>Apples are a pain in the ass

No decisions yet but I do like cider. Peaches & plums also, maybe. Have never grown a fruit tree except a dwarf lemon inside. It actually fruited and doing well until cat started pissing in pot.

>>512773375
How do the date stalks or sheathes look?4

>>512773357
Probably swam like 3 meters under that layer, and got out. Do not have longer version of this video.

Swamps indeed ARE dangerous. But similarly as with fire, you learn how to handle it.
In summertime, most annoying part are fuckton of mosquitoes. Later in autumn, when they have became more lethargic, it is nice there.

Post some weird fruits!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkFJyuO0X5Y

While you guys are busy losing your ass on buying plants, I’d like to also mention the Bible demands you do not mingle seed. You are legally bound by God to only grow one type of plant at a time, to avoid growing pests in the environs.

>>512773375
Thought about a greenhouse?
If even only to keep the moisture in the soil - if you have a non-government water source on your property like a deep well

>>512772978
>sickly grapes
What area are you in and what kind of grapes? If you're in the south you almost have to grow muscadines

>>512773565
I'm thinking of getting a Mount Royal plum. It's a self-fertile variety of European plum that is acclimated to Quebec (so it should do really well in your area). It has a sweet blue skin (Many plums have sour skins) and sweet yellow flesh. Very attractive fruit that makes nice purple sauces/jams.

nothing is better and easier than having chickens and their eggs
zero effort
i cant believe nature made chickens make eggs all the time and not just when its mating season
God exists

>>512773701
He's in New England, so he has a lot of options.
So far my green grapes are the ones that are doing the best. IDK the exact variety. Very much a table grape, though.

>>512773447
Well I should have read about that before buying it on a whim then lol. Also idk how much the everbearing ones would help since it gets to -30 degrees in the winter here, and the summer is barely 3 months.

>>512773492
those are Peruvian apples, they have texture of watermelon with soft black seeds, really good. I can't grow blueberries in 115f heat.

>>512773152
>most Americans do not know how good they have it

Learned helplessness every generation from the 70s on. All public schools and why school choice fought so hard by leftist swine. "Don't do that, you aren't qualified.", "That's not safe, don't try.". "You need an expert.". Commie propaganda to infantilize and push state dependency. Glad to see this thread and more thinking about the basics.

>>512773720
We have French and Italian plum I planted 10 years ago
The French plums, we will probably lose them
The Italians are doing fine
Got ours from here
>https://www.treesofantiquity.com

>>512773771
It's not all the time. It's just when they have lots of food. It's an adaptation to deal with food sources that are intermittent. When food is plenty, it just shit out eggs constantly.

It just means that we're really good at feeding them.

>>512773796
Berries are your best bet in general in Canada. They tend to do the best in the cold.
You should definitely plant some honeyberries and arctic kiwis, btw.

TOTAL BLACK KNOT ERADICATION NOW!

>>512773848
That's where I got my mirabelle plums from this year. Trees were quite large and pricy but they were just about the only place to have them

>>512773234
>We were giving them away by the bagful

That happened when we first started gardening with cukes. We both love cukes but never wanted to see them again. It was years before they made it back into rotation. Only so many raw, in salad, or pickled you can eat.

>>512773865
instead of making 82 posts you should go out and get some new pictures

>>512773292
>ripe fruit

That was delicious would bet. Figs are so good.

>>512773925
For me it's total japanese beetle death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAqoiCvyeVQ

>>512773973
I'm not a photographer.

>>512773321
>pumpkin or squash

Townsend's youtube channel has an ep on pumpkins. Revolutionary War here it was a go-to meal. Throw in coals for a few hours & eat.

>>512774116
Dude, ever just dump a whole chicken inside of a pumpkin and bake that shit?

>>512773444
hmm yeah seems like a pain to process. But couldn't you do it on a large scale? Like boil 500 of them in a huge pot? Once boiled, they should store well?

>>512773701
>what kind of grapes?

I don't know yet. New property, not here long. Found vine in weeds threaded all over. Pulled it out, got on trellis & mulched base. Leaves all pale & bug eaten. It's rebounded and putting out new leaves but no idea if it will produce.

>>512774322
>>512774322
>>512774322
>>512774322

>>512773828
>Learned helplessness
This.
I am an autodidact. I just decide to do things, learn how by reading and then do it.
I have a pretty good resource library built.
Some of the knowledge is esoteric, but most can be applied to daily life.
Drew up plans for a water filtration system for our ducks - 500gal livestock tank for the ducks and an Archimedes screw similar to this vidya feeding into a smaller elevated 100gal tank with filtration pads in it.
Operated off a series of 12v batteries in parallel to up the amp hours, topped off by a livestock fence solar panel charger
Standalone - just put it out there - no external power supply needed.
You can run it off a garage door opener from your porch.
Archimedes screws move * a lot * of water and debris, but can't lift it very high.
Got all the parts in the next room and out back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9s-2oJag8

>>512774326
Make sure the seeds do NOT look like a crescent moon.

>>512773918
Yeah I also have 2 raspberry and I used to have a blackberry. Wait by everbearing did you mean that it lasts from summer to summer? If so, yeah that's the one I have. I thought you meant that it would give fruit all year long, which would never work in canada.

>>512774397
No, everbearing means it doesn't have a specific flowering window. Like some will only flower in a couple weeks during the spring and then you get one crop of berries. Everbearing means as soon as you pick the berries, it starts flowering and growing more berries. You just keep picking them over and over and over. It's a great plant for nibbling.

>>512773572
date trees grow naturally all over in my area, my grandparents had a date field and sold dates.

>>512773720
>acclimated to Quebec

Description is exactly what I'd want. Always amazed by Quebec produce too, quantity & variety. Was going to Montreal 2-3X yearly from late 80s until covid. Jean-Talon market staggering in variety.

>>512774492
I see thanks. Yeah I mine isn't like that then, it barely lasts for 2 months even though the temperature is still adequate.

It's August.

I'm sick of squash.

I'm up to my neck in summer squash.

Half my yard is winter squash vines.

My tomato plants got destroyed by deer. All I have left are squash.

I have squash vines growing up my trees, they wind around them like Christmas lights.

Squash squash squash squash squash! I see why jack-o-lanterns are a thing. By October everyone is sick of squash!

>>512774174
>not yet

>>512774727
Cut 'em open, remove seeds, chop into consistently sized chunks, fry in butter (whole stick) until they are getting golden-brown all over. Bonus points if you sprinkle some corn starch in and stir so it coats all the pieces and absorbs the butter, forming a nice little crust.

>>512774042
>>512774116
Alright, I'll subsist on them as I wage jihad against the japanese (beetles)

>>512774739
It's fucking amazing. Maybe toss some cranberries in there, too.

>>512774253
>seems like a pain to process

You have to get them out of the shells 1st. chop them up to increase surface area so the tannins boil out faster. Smaller pieces boil out faster. Otherwise it could take hours. Chopping up insides quick. It's the shell splitting that's tedious. Not sure how they'd store. Would bet they go rancid quickly if not used right away. Freezing might work but I've not tried that.

>>512774873
>BANZAIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>512774370
>I just decide to do things
>same

This is the mindset you need. Don't worry about failure, failure is good. It's how you learn. It's how you know what you have to improve.

>>512774393
>Make sure the seeds do NOT look like a crescent moon.

So far it's just leaves & spiral stringers. No flowers, nothing. Grew up in California, grapes in every yard we had. But really don't know much about them. What's the deal with crescent shaped seeds?

>>512775265
Moonseed grapes are poison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menispermum_canadense

>>512774873
>wage jihad against the japanese (beetles)

Only reason to grow roses, sacrificial offering.

>>512775354
There are roses that produce edible fruit.

>>512774885
>toss some cranberries in there

Twist my arm further, love cranberries. Never knew this was a thing, thank you!

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=whole+chicken+in+pumpking&t=brave&ia=web

>>512775449
You can do the same thing with watermelon, btw.

>>512775354
>>512775370
Like an actual rose or those wild edible rose buds?

>>512775503
Yes, like actual roses. They produce rose hips.

>>512775335
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menispermum_canadense

Fairly sure they have scalloped leaf edges not smooth but will check. Thanks!

>>512775370
>roses that produce edible fruit

Beach roses, have them, untouched. And they are starting to fruit, yippee! Other roses typical old lady type and were destroyed.

>>512775497
>watermelon

That's a pass. Like watermelon but mashed up inside skin and filled with vodka.

>>512775503
>actual rose

This, beetles set up ghetto dwelling on them.

>>512775783
>Like watermelon but mashed up inside skin and filled with vodka
That's good, too.

>>512775566
>>512775830
You think my artic roses will distract them? Or will the beetles see it as lower than section 8 and attack my fruit?

>>512776020
Hard to know, man. They go after the least nutritious part of the plant.

Please migrate to the new thread.

>>512774322
>>512774322
>>512774322

Back to work, one more thing: Anyone without a set of manual tools (carpentry, mechanical, auto, plumbing, etc.) put it together along with a work table. May need to fix or build shit and you can't do it with a Leatherman Wave.

>>512765182 (OP)
Yep. I've got two in my backyard and they make so many fucking berries, we can't keep up. Pies, muffins, bread, jam, etc. We have to give it away. They are very low maintenance. I just feed them coffee grounds every once and a while.