Daily reminder, the roman empire fell within 100 years of christianity becoming the state religion… after 1,000 years of success as pagans.

>>512767287 (OP)
yeah the trinity is really stupid yet 90% of christians believe it

>>512767287 (OP)
That is because Christianity worships a living God who prophesied it would happen.

>>512767287 (OP)
It fell between 476 to 530

>>512767287 (OP)
The byzantine(roman) empire existed till 1453, which is nearly 1,500 years since it's foundation

>>512767355
Jesus even tells his disciples that neither he nor none of the angels of heaven know the hour of the judgement. How can Jesus not know if he is also God?? Christians will argue "well he was in his physical form so was limited!" Didn't stop him from walking on water and curing blind people. It's all cope.

>>512767600
nor any*

mistyped after editing first time around.

>>512767287 (OP)
it was the roman republic for those 1000 years, and fell after Julius Caesar posthumously turned it into an empire
Christianity hadn't even reached Rome when it fell to the Visigoths in 40 AD, if anything it salvaged what remained of the republic and made it great again as the Holy Roman Empire

>>512767369
Jesus told his disciples he would return before some of them died. He also says he doesn't know the hour of judgement (despite being God?)

Not adding up chief.

>>512767355
We are made in his image.
>[Gen 1:27 KJV] 27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Body(Jesus), soul(God), and spirit(Holy Spirit).

And Satan as well:

>[Rev 16:13 KJV] 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Dragon is Satan(soul), the false prophet his body, the beast is his spirit.

Everything has a physical form and also there exists a spirit form. If it is a living thing tha breathes then it also has a living soul.

>[Gen 2:7 KJV] 7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

>>512767690
He did return after he died, to them just as he promised. Just read the next chapter.

>>512767287 (OP)
>I’ll just ignore the crisis of the third century

>>512767287 (OP)
It's the Christian churches that are pozzed not the Bible itself. The Bible is all about racism. Blacks are cursed and bastards can't go to heaven are just 2 examples. Most of it is written in coded language. The beast of revelation refers to non whites. All the talking animals are non whites. Eve's sin was race mixing with the talking snake (non white), and on and on. But none of the mainstream churches will teach you this of course.

>>512767710
that has nothing to do with what I said - turning the holy spirit into a personality and making the godhead closed and confusing af is just retarded

>>512767931
It's not retarded it's key to understanding scripture and mathematical you can't deny the numbers which is the language of God.

>>512767931
[1Co 15:44 KJV] 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

>>512767830
>crisis of the third century
Could have been avoided if not for christcuckery

>>512767710
The dragon refers to the Chinese.

>>512768160
Before the ming dynasty the Chinese did worship the dragons and would talk to satan through oracles. Fortunately they don't do that anymore, they would even sacrifice children to the dragons.

>>512767666
> 40 AD Visigoth sack of Rome

I think you're missing a digit there, mate. It was in 410 AD. Barely 30 years after Christianity was made official religion.

>>512767666
digits confirm

>>512767287 (OP)
>What was Byzantium
>What was Constantinople and who was it named after
>Rome fell but then why do all US Capitol have Roman architecture.
>What is the Vatican
Rome never fell, it evolved and adapted

>>512767830
OP is a jew. Just saying.

>>512767287 (OP)
I hate Christians as much as the next person but blaming Christianity for the collapse of Rome is stupid. The bigger cause is the decline in the martial nature of the Roman people, decline in the proficiency of auxiliaries (who actually made up the bulk of the army for the entire imperial period as far back as Augustus), and acceptance of foederati as replacements for soldiers actually directly loyal to Rome even if through their generals. When not only your soldiers but your military commanders are all cultural (and religious seeing how Goths and Vandals were Arians and Franks were polytheistic) outsiders it's inevitable that your state will collapse to them taking whatever they want.

>>512767866
We're being overrun by foreigners because we turned out backs on God. It's right there in Deuteronomy. Chapter 28.
>Muh joo text
They follow the Talmud and the Midrash and a bunch of Rabinnic bullshit and rejected Christ.
Don't let their curse become ours too.

>>512768651
>it says it right here, in this book of fairy tales written by jews!
jew worshiping filth

>>512767600
Well, it's simple, hoss... humanity decides the hour of judgement when we all end up as fags, free-will and all that.

>>512768242
They also claimed to have survived the flood because their god diverted the river away and protected them. Make of that what you will. The
Wikipedia account has changed drastically from when I first looked it up so you'll have to dig deeper to find the one matching Genesis.

>>512768311
no, the Vandals sacked Rome in 410 AD, after the Visigoths lost to them
once the gates of Rome were breached the first time, multiple invasions ocurred, each Germanic tribe replacing the previous
only the Christan Emperors managed to put a stop to it

>>512768724
white /pol/ atheist: Religion doesn't matter, only race does.
white /pol/ Christian: I love Jesus.
white /pol/ atheist: DIE CHRISTIAN SCUM!

>>512769288
t. Conquistador1488, aka Pablo Gomez
Galatians 3
>28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>>512768942
Yes, and some evidence that their logographics contain traces the Old Testament. For example a woman is represented by two trees (the two trees of the garden of Eden) and the word Sacrifice is represented by a sheep and a knife.(The lamb of God AKA the Gospel.)

>>512769288
Sounds like made up nonsense

>>512769488
that's actually a powerful verse.
notice it's saying outside of the context of soteriology that race is as real and meaningfully part of the created order as male and female.

meanwhile, under atheism, race is a made up arbitrary social convention.

>>512768724
The Bible is all copied from ancient Aryan texts. Jews never invented anything.

>>512769624
>notice it's saying outside of the context of soteriology that race is as real and meaningfully part of the created order as male and female.
Not really. As neither of those things matter for salvation

>>512769624
>meanwhile, under atheism, race is a made up arbitrary social convention
Also incorrect. Atheism has no stance on race.

>>512768942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA-AkJzpKmg

>>512769699
>nuh uh
oh, it's ghost of mesa.
>As neither of those things matter for salvation
that's what soteriology means.
i'm saying outside of soteriology, the distinctions of race gender and bond or free actually do matter despite what's being said in this epistolary statement, as evidenced by other doctrines espoused within this epistle, such as the immediate few verses within chapter 4 speaking of the inheritance of sons rather than daughters.

>>512769730
i see dawkins as more of an authority on the doctrines of your religion than you, and he says to shun it because we're a very uniform species.

>>512769971
>i'm saying outside of soteriology, the distinctions of race gender and bond or free actually do matter
Not outside Christianity

>>512770030
>i see dawkins
Has nothing to fo with me. Nor do I care

>>512769642
that includes the ancient "aryan" blood ritual of circumcision eh?
retard jew worshiper kys

>>512770030
>your religion
Why is it so easy for supposed Christians on this board to lie?

>>512767287 (OP)
Christianity is just a plaything for the goyim to distract themselves with, look how many times it's reinvented, raped, redressed, coddled to capitulate to contemporary politics, so obvious it's stupid yet here we are even having this conversation. If there is a "god" I'll gladly kick him in the nuts a billion times for cursing this world with Jews.

>>512770065
>i'm saying outside of soteriology, the distinctions of race gender and bond or free actually do matter
>Not outside Christianity
...huh?
so to clarify, because you love to bandy about the strawman accusation and what you've just said here is absolutely perplexing.
you're saying race and gender distinctions are only meaningful within the Christian framework? that goes even further than the position i was shitting on the other atheist fellow from.

>>512770131
if you're not an adherent of the religion of atheism there's no need to be upset or accuse me of lying.
i'd just assumed since you were playing apologist for it that that's the religion you subscribe to.

>>512767287 (OP)
Daily additional reminder, the Christian Roman Empire survived 1000 years longer in Constantinople.
Daily additional additional reminder, Roman pagans genocided Celts in Gaul, imported Africans to Europe, let literal Arabs become emperor and failed to innovate like the decentralised Greeks had done. It took Christian Europe to launch the Renaissance and Scientific and Industrial Revolutions. Pagan Rome never advanced beyond the crude scratch plow in agriculture.

>>512770280
>about the strawman accusation
I've made no strawman

>>512770280
>you're saying race and gender distinctions are only meaningful within the Christian framework?
Demonstrate where race and gender matter for salvation
>>512770280
>that goes even further than the position i was shitting on the other atheist fellow from.
Sounds like a strawman
>>512770344
>the religion of atheism
Oxymoron. It's funny that you realize realize religion is bullshit. It's why you use it here as a pejorative and then try to bring me down to your level lol

You know atheism isn't a religion

>>512770419
I assume that when France becomes 100% nigger and arab you'll still consider them French because they occasionally use a loan word

>>512770419
>survived
good choice of words, I love it when christanzees bring this up and they themselves ultimately use the right words, "survive", just a gradual pathetic loss of everything the pagans had conquered all the way to Greece itself

>>512770474
>about the strawman accusation
>I've made no strawman
i didn't say you did.
please take some deep breaths and calm down, your reading comprehension ability is suffering.
>you're saying race and gender distinctions are only meaningful within the Christian framework?
>Demonstrate where race and gender matter for salvation
they don't.
wow man, let me restate my position.

the initial reason Galatians 3:28 was brought up by your fellow adherent to atheism was an attempt to say race and gender don't matter in any context at all ever.
i pointed out that the only place that those distinctions are erased within the Christian framework is when it comes to soteriology, no one is more saved than another based on racial pedigree social status or sex. however, Christianity in every other context is complementarian rather than egalitarian. there are specific prescriptions that go only to men and not women in the next few verses.
>that goes even further than the position i was shitting on the other atheist fellow from.
>Sounds like a strawman
see?
>the religion of atheism
>Oxymoron.
we could go into this topic if you'd like, i have a pretty strong case for as to why atheism especially in america fits the definition of religion.
i personally think it's a boring topic and the fact that you're bristling against this charge so hard and playing apologist for religion runs counter to your position.

>>512767287 (OP)
Pagan Rome was already crumbling. Christian Rome tried to salvage, but it was too late. The Eastern Roman Empire even held a Triumph when Christians somewhat succeeded in a reconquista of lost Roman holdings.

>>512770098
They added their own bits of course but the Bible is still copied from the Aryans.

The Roman Empire is overrated

1. Mighty military?

Roman soldiers didn't win because they were inherently superior, but often because their enemies were disorganized or divided. Plus, Rome relied more on sheer numbers and infantry mass than mobility or tactics, and many strategic innovations were actually learned from neighboring tribes. The idea that Roman military was exceptional is mostly a glorified myth made by later generations

Even They couldn't recruit enough legionaries from their own citizens, so they ended up enlisting "barbarians" from the frontiers and those very people later brought down the Roman Empire

2. Refined culture?

Average Romans were illiterate, entertained by blood sports
Poetry and philosophy? Just Greek knock offs for aristocrats
Roman aesthetics were half stolen, half steroid pumped versions of Greek art.

3. Wealthy economy?

Couldn't function without slaves. Real economic engine was slave labor, not innovation
Why invest in tech if you can just buy more slaves? When conquest slowed, so did the slave supply, and the economy crashed

4. Civilizers?

Actually conquerors and destroyers
for stealing land, destroying cultures, and selling people into slavery
Also The idea that Rome civilized barbarians reflects a colonial mindset

5. In short
Romantic fantasy made by later Europeans
Renaissance scholars idealized Rome to look more glorious themselves
The real Roman Empire, by today's standards, was a war addicted state and a half-baked civilization that couldn't survive without slavery

>>512770779
>i didn't say you did.
Then why bring it up?

>>512770779
>>Demonstrate where race and gender matter for salvation
>they don't.
Done and done :^)
>>512770779
>>Oxymoron.
>we could go into this topic if you'd like
And I'll destroy you like usual

>>512767710
People who took the covid vaccine are NOT made in the image of God but are made in the image of the beast, triple stranded helix, marked by the beast

>>512770842
dumbfuck asshole kys

>>512771199
>People who took the covid vaccine are NOT made in the image of God
Yet God made these people knowing what they would do and still made them

>>512771199
>>512771309
Then apply this to those that made the Covid vaccine and those that pushed it

>>512767866
>It's the Christian churches that are pozzed not the Bible itself.
What happened to "good trees cannot bear bad fruit"?

>>512771309
God wanted to see which dumbfuck goyim would sell their soul for their wageslave job, travelling or even a donut or free beer

>>512770957
>Then why bring it up?
in almost all of my previous dealings with you, you attempt to make some terse vague point (because you are a phoneposter and don't have the ability to comfortably lay out a full coherent thought) and then accuse me of dishonesty or strawmanning for not reading your mind properly.
what you'd said in the post i was replying to was absolutely retarded and didn't even seem like a position you'd hold, so i had to ask for clarification, otherwise if i ran with it you'd accuse me of strawmanning, which is irritating.

>And I'll destroy you like usual
alright, here are the reasons your religion is not only just a mental stance toward the proposition of theism, but also a religion.
1: atheists have their own churches.
2: atheists have their own religious monuments outside of state courthouses detailing statements of beliefs
3: atheists have their own symbolism
4: atheists have their own rites and rituals, one of which are debaptism ceremonies featuring hairdryers
5: atheists have their own holy days (darwin day, national day of reason, festivus)
6: atheists have their own sacred texts and manifestos (the god delusion, god is not great)
7: atheists debate religious figures, write essays attempting to persuade and create content aimed at proselyting others into atheism
8: atheists have moral codes and philosophical frameworks
9: atheists form identity based movements (brights, nu-atheism) that reflect a collective identity with shared goals values and a sense of belonging
10: atheism is protecting under the first amendment as a religion

i await your thoughtful erudite rebuttal with baited breath.

>>512767287 (OP)
roman empire didn’t last 1000 years you fuckweasel.

>>512767287 (OP)
>the roman empire fell within 100 years of christianity becoming the state religion
Fake, The Byzantine Empire was a thing and would last even more if the 4th crusade never happened

>>512768380
Russia is canonically the third Rome.

>>512767866
>The beast of revelation refers to non whites
Ok im seeing a lot of revelation posts here so i gotta remind you that ITS A TOTALLY FAKE BOOK THAT TOOK CENTURIES TO CANONIZE BECAUSE ITS KABBALISTIC FEVER DREAMS ARE SO EMBARRASSING THAT MARTIN LUTHER PUT IT IN THE APPENDIX OF HIS TRANSLATION

>>512771641
>accuse me of dishonesty or strawmanning
Which you do, watch

>>512771641
>1: atheists have their own churches.
>2: atheists have their own religious monuments outside of state courthouses detailing statements of beliefs
>3: atheists have their own symbolism
>4: atheists have their own rites and rituals, one of which are debaptism ceremonies featuring hairdryers
>5: atheists have their own holy days (darwin day, national day of reason, festivus)
>6: atheists have their own sacred texts and manifestos (the god delusion, god is not great)
>7: atheists debate religious figures, write essays attempting to persuade and create content aimed at proselyting others into atheism
>8: atheists have moral codes and philosophical frameworks
>9: atheists form identity based movements (brights, nu-atheism) that reflect a collective identity with shared goals values and a sense of belonging
What you've described are atheist, not atheism. Meaning these people are acting in their own and are a small group.

The only commonality atheist have is the disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods.

>>512771641
>atheism is protecting under the first amendment as a religion
Also incorrect. Not as a religion. But deserves the same rights and protections as religion does

Thank you for demonstrating your strawman and dishonesty

>>512768135
>c-christianity caused the crisis of the third century
No. You had that rock worshiping tranny Elagabalus destabilize things so badly his successor couldn’t keep things together so he was assassinated. From there it was multiple civil wars, two breakaways and an economic meltdown. Christianity has nothing to do with it.

>>512768380
>bro Rome never fell!
>despite its customs and culture completely going by the wayside
>look at these cargo cults!
The absolute worst historiographic trend I’ve ever seen.

>>512767369
He's alive?
Where is he?

>>512771587
By their fruits you shall recognized them?

>https://www.youtube.com/live/4FYtNQ8izM0?si=KiYLjH7QdcLjqXwV


let the bloodletting begin

demolish the vatican

>>512770894
>he wrote in latin script.

>>512767287 (OP)

Christianity was brought in as an attempt to hold power together. The old Rome was already falling.

>>512767287 (OP)
Correllation is not causation.

>>512772343
Writing in Latin script just means it was the tool available, not proof of Roman brilliance

Scripts spread and change hands all the time... Greek letters influenced Latin, and Phoenician influenced Greek. By that logic, we should be worshipping the Phoenicians, not Rome.

>>512768787
But what about him being omniscient?

>>512767287 (OP)
>muh rum
A bunch of sephardics fabricated roman history to revolt against the greeks. I don't care what their religion allegedly was. More capeshit.

>>512767287 (OP)
You dont realize this but Christianity was the woke belief system. It appeared as a counterpoint to the despair of people during era where corruption was ruining every aspect of Roman life. But the state chose to embrace it by coopting it and wearing it like a skinsuit to delay its own demise. you are here

>>512772860
https://youtu.be/j_9OSxN8O7U?si=_tune7aEVacHsif4

>>512772043
>those are just atheists, not atheism
this distinction is philosophically bankrupt. a semantic dodge that ignores how worldviews manifest in society.
religions aren't abstract voids, they're defined by practices and communities and doctrines.
as daniel dennet argues in "breaking the spell," religion arises from shared rituals and identities, supernatural or not.
atheism, far from a passive negation, has evolved into a positive framework (naturalism, scientism, humanism) complete with institutions.

the behaviors i cited are atheism in action.
churches like "sunday assembly" provide atheist congregations,
monuments counter other religious displays,
symbols (atomic A) foster identity,
rituals (debaptism) affirm belonging,
holidays (darwin day) mark observances,
texts (the god delusion) serve as manifestos,
proselytizing debates evangelize,
ethical codes (humanist manifesto) guide morality,
movements (new atheism) build collectives.

crucially, the US courts treat atheism as a religion under the first amendment, granting it religious protections, if it's just "disbelief" why such parity?

your minimalist definition reduces atheism to etymology, blinding us to its sociological reality.
atheism is not a vacuum, it's a belief system quacking like a religion because it is one by virtually every definition.

>>512772318
Maybe Attila the Hun was sexually abused by pope urban(?) and the ransoms were paid to settle out of court? Maybe sex abuse hysteria is just another moneylaundering scheme.

>>512767866
None of this stuff happened before 1300AD.

>>512767287 (OP)
>the roman empire
layoff corn syrop, burger, Eastern Roman Empire did chose christianity for state religion, survived up to XV century AD
>1000 years of success
shit went downhill when Rome had no real enemy like Carthage, moral values end ethis went to away to be replaced by happy merchantism, basically Mamon sect; no wonder later they got civils wars

>>512773176
>the behaviors i cited are atheism in action
Nope. They're atheist in action
Nothing in atheism says to do anything that those people did. It's amazing that you zoom in on a minority of people but disregard the whole.

This is how disingenuous and dishonest you are. It's like me saying that because some Christians rape kids then that represents Christianity as a whole.

If you were actually honest and say that some atheist treat atheism as a relgion with dogmatic zeal then. I would agree. Thay doesn't make atheism a religion.

But you're not an honest person

Literally do not care. Christ is King. You will seethe and I will pray.

>>512771587
>"good trees cannot bear bad fruit"
with competent graft technique you can make weird things happen

>>512773610
The covid vaccine and the nasal swab test was the mark of the beast. Jesus will kill all pork eaters on his imminent 2nd coming see isaiah 66:17 for proof

>>512773610
Cool story bro

>>512772657
>we should be worshipping the Phoenicians
Did you read the op?
Christians are the bronze souls of the phoenician noble lie.
Yahweh is a Phoenician god.
Phoenician was derived from Egyptian.

>>512773453
ah, my tubby friend, your ad hominem flourish, branding me "disingenuous and dishonest" betrays a desperation unbecoming of rational discourse.
far from dishonestly, my argument rests on empirical observation, philosophical rigor, and legal precedent.

you erect a firewall between "atheism" (supposedly inert disbelief) and "atheists" (those enacting behaviors), insisting the latter are negligible minority whose actions don't define the former.
this is a reverse fallacy of composition, dismissing systemic patterns as anomalies.

moreover, your analogy to Christian rapists is a grotesque strawman, as those acts violate Christianity's tenets, whereas the behaviors i cite (church, rituals, proselytizing, the apologetics you're employing) are deliberate celebrated expressions of atheist identity, endorsed by luminaries like dawkins and hitchens.

your claim that "nothing in atheism says to do anything" is a naive reductionism. rejection of theism is not a philosophical void, it's a stance that inevitably leads to alternative metaphysical commitments like naturalism, scientism, and humanism.
if some atheists treat their disbelief with religious zeal, organize communities around it, and evangelize its virtues, then we must ask,

at what point does a worldview functionally become a religion regardless of its self description?

>>512774407
>your ad hominem flourish
See? You can't even get this right.

There >>512774407
>your analogy to Christian rapists is a grotesque strawman, as those acts violate Christianity's tenets,
No shit. Hence why I said it.

This is how dumb and dishonest you are. You can't even get the nuance of whay I said. Instead you see it as an attack..

Atheism isn't a religion. The only commonality atheist share is the disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods to.

Outside of that, it's irrelevant to atheism.
It soesnt matter how many irrelevant paragraphs of strawmanning you write

>>512774407
>my argument rests on empirical observation, philosophical rigor, and legal precedent.
No they don't. You look at what some atheist are doing and apply it to all and then deem that group the definition of all.

>>512767355
A person isn't a Christian if they reject the trinity

>>512769730
Atheism stands for many things.

>>512773429
this

>>512774971
>A person isn't a Christian if they reject the trinity
>Atheism stands for many things.
>Why? Because I say so.

>>512767287 (OP)
Daily reminder Rome fell because of kikes.

>>512774971
>Atheism stands for many things
Just the disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>512774774
i understood your analogy perfectly, and explained why it fails.
Christian rapists violate their doctrine, atheist evangelists embody theirs.
that's the distinction you ignored.

you keep repeating your religious dogma that "atheism is not a religion, it is merely a lack of belief in a gods" as if repetition makes it true.
but when disbelief becomes identity, community, ritual, and evangelism, it begins to function religiously.
courts have recognized secular humanism as a religion, it's time your rhetoric caught up.

>>512768465
>decline in the martial nature of the Roman people
"Thou shall not kill"

>>512771641
>1: atheists have their own churches.
>2: atheists have their own religious monuments outside of state courthouses detailing statements of beliefs
>3: atheists have their own symbolism
>4: atheists have their own rites and rituals, one of which are debaptism ceremonies featuring hairdryers
>5: atheists have their own holy days (darwin day, national day of reason, festivus)
>6: atheists have their own sacred texts and manifestos (the god delusion, god is not great)
>7: atheists debate religious figures, write essays attempting to persuade and create content aimed at proselyting others into atheism
>8: atheists have moral codes and philosophical frameworks
>9: atheists form identity based movements (brights, nu-atheism) that reflect a collective identity with shared goals values and a sense of belonging
Also, none of these make a person an atheist

>>512767287 (OP)
It (the west) had also split up multiple times in the preceding century, so how about you stop being a retard? The eastern Roman Empire survived for another thousand years

You will never win. All anti-christs will go to Hell.

>>512767287 (OP)
how many years after openly endorsing sodomites did it take to collapse? same question for the other med empires

>>512775269
>i understood your analogy perfectly, and explained why it fails.
The fact that you had to explain means you didn't get it.

>>512775269
>Christian rapists violate their doctrine
Yet they still do it. So, what we have now is a statement that all Christians don't follow their religion 100%.
Thanks for demonstrating that.

>>512775269
>it is merely a lack of belief in a gods"
It is. You haven't cited anything exclusive to atheist other than their disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

Thanks for playing though :^)

>>512772186
>eastern Roman Empire
>cargo cult
Retard

>>512775269
>but when disbelief becomes identity, community, ritual, and evangelism, it begins to function religiously.
Also see
>>512773453
>If you were actually honest and say that some atheist treat atheism as a relgion with dogmatic zeal then. I would agree. Thay doesn't make atheism a religion.
;^)

>>512767287 (OP)
>fell within 100

Rome didn't fall in 100 years, you fantastic baboon

It was a 400 year decline

Christianity is embraced after we've realized our mistakes. It's a course correction, not the cause of the decay.

>>512775439
>tHanKs fOr pLaYiNg tHoUgH
Holy cringe

>>512775509
>;^)
Fooled nobody award. You are a seething retard relying on semantics for gotchas that aren’t even gotchas

>>512775439
You are a circumcised cattle.

Why are they doing this to beef? It's completely artificial like the egg thing, but the prices will never come down for beef. It's over.

>>512775563
>>512775605
>maybe this will get him!

>>512775616
>thinking about dicks
Christians everyone

>>512775439
>no counter-evidence, just repetition and sarcasm
the fact that i explained your analogy doesn’t mean i misunderstood it, it means i exposed its flaw.
you admitted that Christian rapists violate doctrine. that’s the point, their actions contradict their creed.
in contrast, you atheist evangelists promote yours. that’s not contradiction, it’s embodiment.

if your only rebuttal is "thanks for playing," then yes, the game's over. but not for the reason you think.

>>512769642
Then why would you worship a Jewish mockery of those texts instead of going straight to the source

>>512767287 (OP)
You forgot about the Eastern Christian Roman Empire, as usual.

>>512775797
You are an anti-christ and a circumcised cattle. You will die, and go to Hell.

>>512775807
>the fact that i explained your analogy doesn’t mean i misunderstood it
100% it didn't need to be explained but it was already implies. You still don't get it lol
>>512775807
>if your only rebuttal is
See
>>512775509
>>512775439
>>512775300
Most of which you ignored.

>>512775807
>you admitted that Christian rapists violate doctrine. that’s the point
And atheism doesn't have doctrine. The only commonality atheist have is disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods.

Can you demonstrate anything outside of that which is exclusive to atheism?

>>512775914
>thinking about my dick still
You're a homo

>>512776114
I made a music for all of you anti-christs. It's pretty amazing. Praise be to the Lord.

https://www.mureka.ai/song-detail/QQughun5yyogyy4aUZFA25?is_from_share=1

>>512776114
sympathy for the branded shouldnt be mock worthy

>>512776241
It's so fun though

>>512776369
All anti-christs will go to Hell.

>>512776509
Not my problem :^)

>>512776579
You will die, and go to Hell.

>>512767287 (OP)
The empire was going to collapse regardless, if anything Christianity helped stabilize it for a bit longer.
Obviously paganism worked just fine for them and multiple other milennia spanning empires, so I don't hold Christianity to be some universal truth or anything, I just think that it's overly maligned nowadays.

>>512776612
I don't believe you

>>512775685
Keep in mind they have to consistently raise and kill these animals over and over again in an endless cycle. Think of how high the demand is for red meat now that their Vegan scam fell off. This is what we get for being modern domesticated slaves. We should be hunting for our own meat but that's virtually outlawed worldwide.

>>512776065
you keep cowering behind the minimalist definition of atheism as "just disbelief," but that's not how worldviews operate in practice.
no doctrine? fine. but when a shared disbelief consistently produces communities, rituals, manifestos, holy days, symbols and evangelism like you're practicing now, it begins to function like a religion, regardless of whether or not it has supernatural claims.

and no, these behaviors aren't "exclusive" to atheism. but exclusivity isn't the standard. religions overlap all the time. Christianity and mormonism both have prayer, scripture, moral codes and holidays. that doesn't make them indistinct.

what matters is that the religion you practice has taken on the social architecture of religion.
if you want to define atheism so narrowly that it excludes everything your fellow adherents to the religion actually do together, then you're not defending atheism, you're defending a dictionary entry.


so here's the real question:
if a worldview builds institutions, rituals, symbols and evangelism around a shared mental stance, even if that is belief or disbelief, what do you call it?

>>512776660
Your kids, and you lover will be eaten by the Dogs.
>Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

>>512774859
>bulk of atheists act like faggots
>n-no I’m different I’m not a faggot!
When the bulk of the group acts in a certain way, it sticks to all. This really isn’t difficult to understand.

when archaeologists dig this monument up 500 years from now, they're going to jot it down as a monument to a dead religion, not a dead non-religion.
just as trannies will be known to archeologists as the gender they were born as regardless of their preferred pronouns.

>>512776766
um, sweaty, according to rabbi yeshua gentiles are dogs and any salvation they are granted is because their nice jewish masters tossed them some scraps

>>512776706
>"just disbelief," but that's not how worldviews operate in practice.
Again
>>512773453
>If you were actually honest and say that some atheist treat atheism as a relgion with dogmatic zeal then. I would agree. Thay doesn't make atheism a religion.
>But you're not an honest person
Thank you for demonstrating how dishonest you are

>>512776706
>like you're practicing now
I don't practice any of that
Thanks for doubling down on your strawman

>>512776706
>if a worldview builds institutions, rituals, symbols and evangelism around a shared mental stance, even if that is belief or disbelief, what do you call it?
A movement. None of these fit any definition of religion

Otherwise any group of people meeting up sharing similar ideas would also be a relgion. But it isn't

Is the chess club a religion?

Is meeting up to play a MTG even a religion?

Is going to a sports game, bar, event a religion?

No. But do some of these people treat those things as such? Sure

Still doesn't make them a religion

>>512777085
According to Me. The chosen ONE of God.

ALL anti-christs will go to HELL.

>>512776830
>>bulk of atheists act like faggots

>>512767866
>It's the Christian churches that are pozzed not the Bible itself.
True, the Vatican jesuits who took over this religion have no god.
> Most of it is written in coded language
Also true.
We have achieved Free Energy level civilization at that point , when everything collapsed
>due to a war or some world wide event like a volcano that's erupted
Then the Vatican jesuits took over ancient Free energy generators and called them "churches" and "cathedrals".

>>512777169
lmao! retard

>>512777177
>no u!
See >>512776968
There is 20 years of online and offline discourse of atheists being complete faggots.

Mock all you want. You will be nothing btu a cattle for the DOG in Hell.

Eaten. Resurrect. Eaten. Repeat.

Just like all the cattles that you have eaten for granted.

Your turn will come.

As above so below.

>>512767287 (OP)
Mostly because of all the germniggers they allowed in

>>512767666
>666
>Nero
checkem

>>512777169
>>512776509
>>512776612

Hello satanist vatican jesuit . Hasn't met you in a while.

So tell us . Your satanist worshipping of Satan and trivial manipulations is what made you "chosen by god"?

>>512777271
>being complete faggots
Amen sister

>>512767287 (OP)
You will have a bad Judgment Day.

>>512777353
I do not worship satan. I am Satan. I deceived myself into becoming a weakling, and walk on this earth. So that I can judge you properly.

Eventually. I will gain the power over times itself.

>>512767287 (OP)
>This is what penal substitutionists actually believe

"Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death. And on those in the tombs bestowing life" is a far more defensible atonement theology

>>512777302
>You will
I promise you all the good things for eternity, all you have to do is submit while you're alive, don't think for yourself, allow the holy man in yahweh's temple tell you right from wrong.

>>512767287 (OP)
>the roman empire fell
Midwit tier take.

>>512769288
Of course. You saulstians always call for the death of Pagans, and you admit to loving niggers and being spics.

I don't think any God or gods exist, but if they do. They are not our friends. They are not our pappy. They are not looking down on us and helping. Even within their own holy texts, they gloat about the destruction they have brought and will bring. What they ARE, are parasites. They've attached themselves to us from time immemorial. They demand sacrifice, obedience, worship, and humiliation rituals. They promise a reward when you are dead. They take credit for all the good things, but when bad things happen they work in mysterious ways or blame another deity like being. They proclaim their great deeds in helping a slice of humanity thousands of years ago, but have not shown up since. They claim that they used to join us down here on Earth in some form or another, but no longer do.

They are the enemy of humanity, nay they are the enemy of nature itself. As i said, parasites. We must purge them. Break their temples, burn their texts, shatter the living memory of their existence. Brothers, we must KILL the deities. They are holding us back for their own empowerment, we should be the rulers of this Universe, Yet we are CHAINED by these horrid soul suckers.
Brothers? Do you get what I call for? I call for Krieg, WAR. A war to end all wars. A War of Heavens if you will. Drown Vishnu is butter, Rape Zues to death, throw Yehwah under an Iron Chariot! Eviscerate Satan, use his horns to gouge out the eye of Odin! Turn that homosexual flying snake into a belt, wear it while you enslave Thunderbird to power humanities grid! We must split their lungs with blood and thunder. No deity should be safe from our natural wrath.

>>512777302
>>512777169
>>512776509
>>512776509
Tell us, satanist jesuit.
Why did you guys burn all the libraries around the world ?
Why did you want to destroy all knowledge ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyed_libraries

>(popcorn)

>>512777543
I already worship the Almighty One. My whole existence belongs to GOD.

>>512767287 (OP)
The Roman Empire had been in slow decline since the Republican era and further deteriorated in the third century.

>>512770894

>nooooo it was heckin based to fuck young boys and feed people who disagreed to wild animals before stuffing yourself so full that you had to vomit to fit more in your stomach before fucking each others wives
>those dang dirty Christians had to ruin this pvre trad cvltvre
lol
lmao even

>>512777497
>>512777621

>I am Satan
>I don't worship the Satan
You are confused?
Do you know that god isn't your negative entity you call "satan" ?
Why are you satanists worshipping satan?

>>512777599
I'm a Catholic.

>>512777735
Might makes Right. Power is Absolute. God is the strongest.

>>512777739
I know you are a catholic jesuit.

Tell me buddy, why do you wear a satanist woodoo doll of a dying person on your chest?

And Why did you burn all the libraries world-wide?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyed_libraries

>>512777725
>feed people who disagreed to wild animals
Sounds based to me.
Animals are useful, commies are not.

>>512777367
>more no u
https://atheistalliance.org/atheist-refugee-assistance-program/

Hilarious.

>>512767287 (OP)
>the Roman Empire fell within 100 years of Christianity

Pretty sure the Byzantine Empire was around until the 15th century

>western Rome fell within a century

It’s true. Even though the intellectual elite had converted to Christianity, most of the common public were uneducated pagans who had come to live decadently and lazily while their lands and possessions were being taken by outside invading forces.

However, within a few centuries, people organized around the basis of Christian kings who ruled as patriarchs of their specific ethnic groups. This gave rise to the basis of the modern day nation state based around a particular race, which the Western Roman Empire was decidedly not given its multicultural and multiracial makeup and civnat philosophy (citizen of Rome = based and equal, doesn’t matter if African, jewish or otherwise).

God judged Rome for essentially being a proto globohomo/Tower of Babel and separated it into separate languages and ethnic groups exactly as that story foretells. Pretty neat huh?

>>512777739
Jesuits are catholics

>>512777771
>might make right , we can burn all libraries and destroy all knowledge that we please
>we also worship satan
>join our religion

How about NO?
How about you release all knowledge that you are hiding from people in the Vatican Library?

>>512777902
>it's commie to disagree with fucking young boys
lol groomerfag detected

>>512777920
Have a nice day bro :^)

>>512767287 (OP)

>>512777879
I do not wear any unnecessary accessory. I will walk the earth nake if I can.

Clothing is a symbol of shamelessness, and man original sins.

https://youtu.be/NuYUb8z3p00?si=zhFG6hTs26I7HwEe

>>512767287 (OP)
>look satan mommy I’m attacking Christ again!

>>512774019
Yeah, Yahweh might have Phoenician roots, and Phoenicians got some ideas from Egyptians...
But i meant, Rome just recycled ideas like every other civilization.
Stop pretending any of this gives Rome or Christianity some special authenticity or power.

>>512778130
You too faggot!

>>512777138
you call it a "movement," but movements that build institutions, rituals, symbols, shared moral frameworks, and employ evangelism around a central metaphysical stance aren't just movements, they're religions.

your analogies to chess clubs and sports fans miss the mark.
those groups don't claim to answer ultimate questions about existence, morality or human purpose.
they don't publish manifestos, hold debaptism ceremonies or seek first amendment protection.
atheist organizations do.

courts have even ruled that secular humanism qualifies as a religion under US law. that's not my opinion, that's legal precedent.
so if you agree that some atheists treat atheism like a religion, and that organized atheism mirrors religious structures, then the only thing left is semantics. you can call it a movement if you like, but this movement walks, talks, and legislates like a religion.
the rest of us recognize it for what it is. even if its adherents don’t.

>>512778224
Romans were idiots when they fell for Christianity because of intangible promises

Jesus won, you might not like it but accept the facts.

I lost my mind completely. Dejected, sniffing, eyes dry

I'm a weird Jew

God might be evil

I am tormented

>>512778500
Cool story, bro.

>>512778322
Guess what empires we are not debating special authenticity or power of?

>>512777771
>God is the strongest.
Yes the power of the Creator is absolute.
The Creator's power is Love and Light.

>>Might makes Right. Power (of vatican jesuits and satan) is Absolute.
See you are confused and are trying to use trivial manipulations to claim that YOUR power and power of your jesuit satanists is absolute.
It isn't so.

I am the Real Chosen One .
Representing the power of the Creator, which is Love and Light.

I am here to destroy you Satanists and the Evil you caused to millions of people.

>>512778424
Romans were convinced of the authenticity of Christianity through a lot of rigorous debate and discourse actually; Neo-Platonism is really interesting because it essentially introduces the concept of a trinity to Platonism around the same time that Christianity is starting to become really popular in philosophy schools around the 3rd century and began to push Platonism to the way side, they were actively developing coping mechanisms based around Christian metaphysics because they couldn’t find a way to dismantle them from traditional views (ie resolving the one and the many problem which is what defeated old Platonism in the first centuries AD)

>>512779044
What is my Sins? Speaking Truth and Judge you worthless mortal to Hell?


All anto-christs will go to Hell.

This is the Truth.

>>512779491
You and your jesuits destroyed ancient Power plants that used to produce Free Energy across the planet.

You and your evil satanists have burned easily 20 libraries, if not more. To destroy ancient knowledge and science.

You are behind various scams like Big pharma industry.

YOU will go to hell for eternity.

>>512779146
Logic might have justified it but we all know people flock to christianity because their lives are shit and they want a cope such as heaven, plus all the people who didn't agree with them get punished eternally (they actually believe this)

>>512767287 (OP)
>"Why would I sacrifice myself to myself?"

Classic disingenuous atheist arguments: Jesus Christ is God IN THE FLESH, He sacrificed Himself for our sins because the punishment for sin is death and a sacrifice is necessary to cover sin. Jesus Christ, God the Son, coming down from Heaven as a man became the perfect sacrifice for sin, He bridged the infinitely wide gap between God and man that exists because of man's sin, now we are free to come into fellowship with God and are able to escape the judgement that we deserve because that judgement has already been passed on Christ when He bore our sins on the cross.

You retards have already been told this countless times. Time washing faggots.

>>512770894
The Romans had a bad habit of stabbing each other in the back and fighting civil wars over it.

Eventually, the barbarians learnt to fight Roman style and beat them at their own game.

How many Roman fanboys would be slaves of Rome if that rotten empire still existed?

>>512779768
I will live for Eternity with God, because I belong to God.
Can't say the same for anti-christ. They belong in Dogscape.

>>512779146
Saulstianity was imposed on the people by corrupt leaders using saulstianity to reject Aryan meritocracy and instead creating hereditary dynasties. Saulstian leaders, even since Rome, never outlawed judaism, but they did punish by death Paganism. All saulstians are enemies of the Aryan race, by choice. They are willing golems and would rather be surrounded by blackest gorilla niggers than by Aryans who reject the cult of a fictional jewish rabbi who is also the fictional god obsessed with giving everyone hemorrhoids, cooking and throwing feces, and raping little girls.

>>512768787
Free will is as abstract as divinity, if you don’t ground it with something it just floats away
Like divinity it has never been proven or disproven, you cannot prove destiny/fate anymore than you can free will

>>512779794
Certainly possible for some to misinterpret it that way, particularly Protestants. But that’s not the traditional or actual view of the churches, as someone from Orthodox laity. Our view is that all humans deserve hell because we all hurt each other and are constantly doing our own will and desire, and in doing so inflict pain upon God as well. No one can be sure who gets into heaven or what happens in the afterlife, but we know God has grace and mercy and that he can see inside of our hearts. If you are genuine and work to be a good and moral person according to God’s will and law, and take part in the community of the church, we believe that you are saved, and this is usually accepted by newcomers once they see how much better and transformed their lives become. I’ve seen former addicts, depressed people, miserable shut ins slowly get coaxed into joining and becoming happy, glowing people, totally sober, starting relationships and families and being freed of all their past baggage. It really is remarkable and lends great credence to this lifestyle.

I have virtually never seen a miserable atheist pull themselves into contentment and achievement off of nothing but the back of their own incredibly blinding “intellect”, that’s for sure.

>>512779822
anyone with any sense would see it for the decadent, corrupt, degenerate, gay, globohomo shit that it was.

>>512779807
Yeah, you told us. Then we asked for proof and here we are.

>>512779966
Cool story, bro.

>>512780057
> the fictional god obsessed with giving everyone hemorrhoids, cooking and throwing feces, and raping little girls.

I think you’re confused? That sounds like the “based pagan Aryan gods” you supposedly worship doesn’t it? What makes those things bad? Or drinking cum from a tree or whatever based Wotan does? Aren’t those things based because your epic “Aryan” gods did them? Seems weird you would act like they’re “bad”, not that you have any justification for having the moral values you claim to.

>>512768380
...and it is still trying to conquer the world.

>>512779794
>we all know people flock to christianity because their lives are shit and they want a cope such as heaven

Actually retard take, totally the opposite. If God exists and He is perfect and just and holy and we are wretched, full of sin, in need of salvation and forgiveness then it is so much harder to live as a Christian.

Atheism gives numerous temporary outlets for misery that don't require coming sincerely to God, confessing your sins and asking Him for forgiveness. With atheism you can simply get high, jerk off, hire a prostitute or give all of your money to some OF star. You can find a cuck who will let you sleep with their wife, you can do whatever you want and die knowing that there is no such thing as accountability or purpose.

But for us who believe and know that there is a God in Heaven we know that we are accountable to Him and that to deny Him is to deny life, God and His judgements exist whether we believe in them or not, the moment we close our eyes in death the reality of God is made manifest to us and there is no turning back, no more space for repentance, your way has been chosen and eternal judgment awaits.

>>512767287 (OP)
Yes, it was a mistake. The inherent characteristics of the religion are one thing but Christianity crucially fractured the Roman state where pagan noblemen and generals were in charge of part Christian part pagan armies where the Christian parts of course disdained its masters. Moreover, it set up a parallel state in the form of the church with its own hierarchy, schools, teachings etc. In the span of a few decades mighty emperors who were gods in their own right had degenerated into a state where they would kiss the feet of some wretched priest.

>>512779966
I'll just 2nd the other anon.
Cool story bro.

IMMEDIATELY RELEASE ancient documents that you are hiding in the Vatican library that you satanists stole.

>>512780120
I've seen your ilk rape kids and genocide ethnic groups.
But keep thinking your superior.
That's part of your cult's design after all.

>>512780229
Death is the transition of consciousness. Earth is not your Final Destination.

Becoming a cattle to be eaten over and over again?

Thta's the Final Destination of those who reject God.

>>512780166
>We asked for proof

Yeah and it has been given over and over and over again but you deny it. You expect us to call God down from Heaven as if you or I have the authority to do so, If you won't listen to reason and look at the history of evidence that exists then you are lost, I can't help you.

Chatgpt, what was the religion of Rome when it was at its height of power?
What was the religion of Rome when it fell?

>>512780425
That’s called the human condition. All humans deserve hell. Christianity accounts for this and explains how it came to be.

Can you?

>>512780486
That’s what’s going to happen to you by the real creator of the universe, careful what you wish for

>>512780120
I just can't vibe original sin, it seems like something a BPD whore would make up to control you, it also sets a bad tone for the default nature of humanity. I prefer to look at us as advanced animals that are rising beyond our primitive habits, through experience. We learn that everyone benefits when you act with justice, no need for a sky or lava boogeyman to scare us in place, just raw nature and interpersonal dynamics forging us into better beings. Saying that everyone is by default bad and they need to pray to something is flawed in my mind. The earth could be impacted by another asteroid or something, and knowledge of christianity could be lost. That implies that everyone would be doomed until god somehow recreates the same thing again. I've also seen absolute crackheads go on and on about god, watching joel olsteen and generally being insufferable retards, because well christ redeems (kek) all their sins anyway so who cares? The sense of community the church provides is good though, I'll give you that.

>>512780120
>particularly protestants
rent free

>>512780606
I worship the Destroyer of the universe. She is my God, and my Master. Hell is nothing to her.

>>512780486
k
>>512780513
Well the proof you gave wasn't convincing, so here we are. I guess you need better proof.

>>512780563
Christianity explains everything doesn't it.
All you need to do is ask your child rapist holy man god's interpretation.

>>512778411
>your analogies to chess clubs and sports fans miss the mark
No they don't. They March exactly what you're talking about becaue at times the people that associate with those also do
>>512778411
>institutions, rituals, symbols, shared moral frameworks, and employ evangelism around a central metaphysical stance aren't just movements,


The problem here is that base everything you don't like off of social media memes..it's painfully obvious you don't actually go out and talk to people or have genuine experiences

>>512778411
>those groups don't claim to answer ultimate questions about existence, morality or human purpose
Neither does atheism.

>>512780733
All anti-christs will go to Hell.

>>512779807
>Jesus Christ is God IN THE FLESH,

>>512780563
Having an answer doesn't make that answer correct.

>>512780843
k

>>512780858
You sins reek like shit.

>>512780803
>March
Match*

>>512780736
>if God real why bad people? checkmate christman
lel

>>512779966
>>512780731
I worship the Destroyer
We know.

Cool story bro.
Don't tell me that all those bones and dead bodies appear randomly
all by themselves in various "churches" , "cathedrals" and even in pyramids.
And that you vatican jesuit satanic cultists aren't doing this and that you don't know WHAT you are doing and WHY.

Now are you still claiming eternity with god, or eternity buring in hell?

>>512780858
Mary was 14 when she had Jesus so the bible is a loli doujinshi.

>>512780803
i'm bored of this topic (which i said i was before it even began) and your rebuttals to my argument are garbage.
what's something else you'd like to talk about?

what do you see as the strongest argument against theism? or are you just a "i don't have one, i just find all of theism's arguments lacking." kind of guy?

>>512780961
Death is a mercy.
Here. You can always kill yourself.

However.

You will not have that in Hell.

>>512780960
>I'll just mock your argument because I can't refute it.

>>512780667
>Yeah I just can vibe with simple math, it sounds like something a controlling woman would make up. Like, maybe 2 + 2 = 5 in my world, like, bro you ain't control of me.

I know this is going to sound insane but it doesn't matter what you agree with or can "vibe" with, young blood. It matters what is true, God is true and His word is true regardless if it "don't be sittin' right wit you". Fr.

>>512780960
Your god is so fake his most devout followers rape kids and war against each other constantly.

>>512778411
>so if you agree that some atheists treat atheism like a religion
Yup
>>512778411
>and that organized atheism mirrors religious structures
Nope.

Again,.with the dishonest strawman

>>512780667
A lot of things need to be understood on multiple levels to fully grasp them, which is why Orthodoxy is so vital, as they are basically academic experts on scripture and its meaning, and even why Catholics tend to be better educated than Protestants.

Original sin, to explain the long and short of it succinctly, is basically how human consciousness “grew up” into adulthood. It was a necessary part of God’s design because in order for humans to be fully autonomous creatures with their own will who can choose their own path, they need to be given a choice; at the end of the day, they can follow either God’s path, or go against it for what they perceive to be their “own”. But here’s the thing; God is existence, love, and goodness. Thus evil is the lack of God. To exist out of accordance with God, to go against his will for what is apparently your “own”, you are essentially submitting to the absence of God; which is synonymous with evil, ie sin. Thus when we prioritize our own desires, our own wants, and hurt others, we make a conscious choice to follow a will which is against God or God in absentia, which is evil. This is how we have a moral basis and justification which most people cannot explain or justify outside of Christianity.

You yourself claim to believe in some kind of naturalist materialist view where everything is matter and chaos which coincidentally formed our existence. Of course in this case anything being “moral” or “true” or having value is utterly meaningless and pointless. It’s all an illusion you’re going along with just because. That’s much more logically untenable and frankly ridiculous viewed outside of the purview of modern propaganda from a purely neutral intellectual position

>>512781145
>source: dude trust me bro
you're the one operating on vibes, actually

>>512781054
>Don't tell me that all those bones and dead bodies appear randomly
>all by themselves in various "churches" , "cathedrals" and even in pyramids.
All of the ancient Energy Generation Fields.

>And that you vatican jesuit satanic cultists aren't doing this
>and that you don't know WHAT you are doing and WHY.
I know and the Creator knows why you are doing this . It's over.

You have a final stage - admit your sins, including your Satanism.
Or burn in hell for eternity for it, for destroying Billions of people.

>>512780864
But it does make the attempted argument which is supposed to be based on pointing out a contradiction or flaw fail when you can actually account for the point the argument was trying to push.

>>512781050
>i'm bored of this topic
You're defeat has noted once again
>please change the subject to something else I can strawman
Kek

>>512781265
>All of the ancient Energy Field Generators.

>>512781165
>Why bad thing happen if God real?

You people are pathetic. I'm beginning to think atheists have a learning disability related to theism. Some kind of spiritual retardation. Kek

>>512781297
Can you prove your answer is correct or not?

>>512781402
Truth is a bitch

>>512781402
>>512781109

>>512781298
what's up, doc?

>>512781225
you're kind of strawmanning in that last paragraph there, you can't just categorize my beliefs with other people without me actually saying it. I'm not an atheist, but I do think humanity is better off shedding the abrahamic concept of god and going for a more new age approach (I'm sure this will spur another straw man) But anyway, it was a nice chat, I hope you have a good time with your church buddies and whatnot, you seem alright. A lot of evangelicals give your religion a terrible name, just so you know, which I suppose is a strawman as well, but it explains why so many people are put off by christianity, it's not just reddit tier fedora tipping, it's a response to hypocritical jew simps

>>512781226
>I am a dishonest faggot who has no interest in genuine discussion

I accept your concession and feel bad about your inability to have discussions about difficult topics due to fear and weakness.

>>512781109
I've argued with you lot for over a decade. It always amounts to the same thing. See: hitler debating the jews. You'll never learn and if you're proven wrong one day you'll just spout the same ideas the next.
Simpler and more effective for the peanut gallery to see your ideas reduced to what you're actually saying and then soundly mocked.
Also it's true what they say: atheism is the easiest religion to troll.

>>512780240
> Or drinking cum from a tree or whatever based Wotan does?
Does your script never update?

>>512781458
Yes.

To accept reality as coherent, we must accept universal laws such as logic and causality. These laws demand a First Cause outside the natural universe, supernatural, eternal, and uncaused, because infinite regress is incoherent. This First Cause must contain within itself all aspects found in creation: rationality, personality, love, relation, and more. Therefore, it cannot be impersonal or monistic.

Only the Christian Trinity, a triune God of three distinct persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) sharing one essence, fulfills this. Unlike monadic deities in Islam or Judaism, who are non-relational and require creation to express love or will, the Trinity is inherently relational and self-sufficient. All human traits such as love, reason, and relation exist in God eternally.

Reality itself reflects triadic structure: atoms (proton, neutron, electron), logic (subject, object, relation), and even geometric principles. This mirroring of the Trinity is not coincidental but foundational. Other models (dualism, monism) cannot explain how unity and diversity coexist without contradiction.

Supporting this are empirical and historical evidences: the preservation and predictive nature of Scripture, Christ’s universally revered moral life, the transformative effect on the Roman Empire, and martyrdom of His followers. The Shroud of Turin, scientifically inexplicable, further affirms His resurrection.

Alternative worldviews collapse into absurdity or incoherence when trying to explain consciousness, morality, or purpose using purely materialist assumptions. Only the Trinity provides a framework where truth, love, and intelligibility make sense. Rejecting this leads to nihilism or contradiction.

Therefore, the Christian Trinity is not merely a theological idea. It is the only logically coherent and existentially satisfying explanation for reality.

>>512781225
Hey anon,

Orthodox inquirer here. I've been going for a few months after getting invited by a friend. Completely unrelated question though- what thoughts go through your mind while you venerate icons?

>>512781298
let's talk about your tattoos.
is the one opposite of the forearm with what looks like hebrew runes a koi or a dragon?

>>512781552
I was mainly taking from when you said this:
>just raw nature and interpersonal dynamics forging us into better beings.

Which is normally the go to atheist/materialistic cope for how humans have actual moral values.

You seem intellectually honest and open. Keep reading and asking questions. I bet you will surprise yourself where you end up. God bless

>>512767287 (OP)
The absolute state of these christcucks claiming they built Western civilization when they literally caused the dark ages - imagine being so delusional you think your desert death cult "civilized" Europe while spending centuries destroying classical knowledge and shitting in the ruins of Roman buildings.

These historical revisionists are actually bragging about inheriting the greatest civilization on Earth and turning it into an illiterate shithole where people thought bathing was heresy. Fucking parasites spent generations burning books, murdering philosophers, and destroying art while claiming divine right to rule over peasants who couldn't read. Then their modern slaves on /pol/ try to take credit for civilization while coping about how great it was when their cult turned Europe into a disease-ridden wasteland of superstition and shit.

>destroyed the greatest empire in history
>turned classical knowledge into toilet paper
>caused centuries of civilizational collapse
>murdered anyone who could read Greek
>proudly maintained illiteracy as policy
>"We built Western civilization!"
Pure narcissistic historical revision from brainwashed slaves who think civilization is when you burn scientists for saying the Earth moves. These parasites still crying about their "contribution" to Europe while their ancestors turned Roman baths into torture chambers because cleanliness was "pagan."

>>512781505
Your arguments have been refuted and you just keep claiming that they haven't be refuted, exactly like faggot liberals who lose debates and still just keep spewing the same arguments over and over again. It has to be some kind of learning disability where you are not able to take in new information that goes against your atheism, it's either that or pure stubbornness.

Either way you are a broken faggot.

>>512781666
Kek.
>this will surely get him now.
How many other dudes pics do you keep on your device? Just mine?

Christianity isn’t just a slave religion—it’s a Jewish psyop that turned goyim into obedient Torah Thralls, worshipping their enemies without even realizing it. The Yahweh Cattle love to screech about “muh chosen people,” yet their entire existence revolves around licking the boots of a god who explicitly chose Jews over them. They bow to a book written by Pharisees, worship a Moshiach meant only for Israel, and then cope by pretending they’re somehow the real inheritors of a covenant they were never invited into. It’s the most pathetic display of spiritual cuckoldry in human history—Covenant Cucks simping for a foreign god while their Jewish masters laugh all the way to the bank.

Every time a Christcuck spergs out about “Christ is King,” just remind them that their king was a Bethlehem Bootlicker born under Roman occupation, executed by his own people, and buried in a borrowed grave like the broke rabbi he was. The entire religion is a golem program designed to turn proud nations into passive, self-hating serfs, waiting for some Hebrew miracle that will never come. They call it “faith,” but all it really is a coping mechanism for weak men who would rather serve than think. The sooner they realize they’ve been conned, the sooner they can break free from their Synagogue Serfdom and stop being nothing more than Shekel Shepherds herding their fellow goyim into submission.

>>512767355
>>512767600
>>512767620
>>512767690
look at these retarded muzshits

any of them still around?

The idea that Jews hate Christ more than anything is just another layer of Christcuck cope, designed to make them feel like their religion is the ultimate threat to Jewish power. But if Jews truly hated Christ, they wouldn’t have spent 2,000 years making sure the entire Western world worshipped him. Christianity was never a rejection of Judaism—it was an extension of it, repackaged for gentiles. The Old Testament is still scripture, the Ten Commandments are still law, and Yahweh is still God. Even the New Testament constantly reinforces that Jesus was a Jew, sent to fulfill Jewish prophecy, and that salvation comes first to the Jews. If Jews really saw Christ as their greatest enemy, they wouldn’t have let his message spread—they would have crushed Christianity at its birth, instead of letting it become the dominant religion of the West.

What Jews actually hate isn’t Christ—it’s any ideology that takes power away from them. That’s why they attack nationalism, pagan revivals, and anything that gives people a strong, independent identity outside of the Abrahamic framework they control. Christianity only gets targeted when it stops being useful—when it resists their social agendas, when it stops promoting universalism, when it becomes too aligned with nationalism. But for most of history, it’s been their greatest tool—keeping gentiles submissive, obsessed with suffering, and worshipping a dead Jew as their savior. If Jews truly hated Christ, Christianity wouldn’t exist today—it would’ve been erased before it ever left Judea. Instead, it flourished under Roman rule, was later weaponized by Jewish converts like Paul, and became the dominant worldview of the West—all while keeping gentiles trapped in Jewish moral frameworks.

>>512781759
>tHe ChRisTiaN daRk aGes

>>512781624
>The year highlighted for some reason

>>512781762
>you are not able to take in new information that goes against your atheism.
What information goes against my lack of belief in God or gods?

>>512781666
>>512781788
>goober lookin ass hates God
a tale as old as time

>>512781788
what's the answer though?
>How many other dudes pics do you keep on your device?
i have bunch, are you an informed atheist enough to be able to name this guy?

>>512781590
>you are a dishonest faggot
>>512781728
>You seem intellectually honest and open
kek the duality of pol
I do enjoy these discussions, orthodox bro, one of the few thread types that still offer some thought and insight. So thank you

>>512781888
See >>512781636

To deny a supernatural first cause encompassing human nature is to deny the basic laws of causality and logic in general. In such a worldview, there is no logical grounding undergirding anything and everything is essentially operating on a “just because” or “because I say so” approach, which is obviously irrational and intellectually dishonest.

>>512781984
>>How many other dudes pics do you keep on your device?
>i have bunch
Kek. I bet. Hahaha

>>512782018
>To deny a supernatural first cause encompassing human nature is to deny the basic laws of causality and logic in general.
OK, anything can be "supernatural" like aliens. But the truth is that anything that interacts in nature then no longer because supernatural. I don't see why I should believe your personal feelings about supernatural

>>512767355
>>512767600
>>512767620
>>512767690
calling all stupid muzshits in this thread

all stupid muzshits in this thread

jibrile is waiting for you at the front desk

you are needed at the front desk

>>512767287 (OP)
>Decimated the Jews by killing millions of them
>Exiled the rest of the Jews and turned them into rootless Gypsies doomed to wander the world
>Destroyed Judea
>Destroyed the Second Temple and turned its ruins into a garbage dump
>Destroyed all Jewsish records
>Banned Judaism
>Banned circumcision and executed anyone who practiced it
>Banned the Jews from Jerusalem
>Took the Menorah as loot
>Won every single war against the Jews
>Renamed destroyed Judea to Palestine after the Philistines, the ancient enemies of the Jews
The Romans were infinitely based gigachad BVLLS. GLORY TO ROME.

>>512782038
i'll give you a hint, he was recently in a debate with mike jones on the topic of "why secularism is better for society than Christianity" and was utterly demolished.

>>512780667
"We are all born evil" works when you're talking about jews, not Aryans, so of course it doesn't "vibe" with us. We see it as profoundly repugnant.

>>512781876
Because it shows it's part of a recent push. It's not a historical view, it's some modern jewish bullshit that only exists because Adolf Hitler didn't win. Same shit as muh Romans and Greeks were fags because of 99% deliberate misinterpretation and 1% saying cases of elites raping children is fag friendly, to then say pedophilia and homos are completely unrelated.

>>512782184
>i'll give you a hint
That you have no pictures of family, friends, wife or kids?

Yes, I know.

>>512781649
Just deep emotional reflection at the sacrifice and pain all of them went through. The idea of willingly undergoing extreme torture and eventual death which I could stop at any time by simply recanting my beliefs, but refusing to because I am more dedicated to truth instead, is extremely powerful and humbling to me. Like if Winston had managed to completely resist his torture in 1984 at all odds. That’s what Christ and his followers achieved. Could I do the same? I’d like to think so but I really don’t know. Could only hope God would give me the same strength in convictions to overcome the physical torment in pursuit of truth

>>512782154
>aliens

That would be natural, since they’d originate in the natural universe.

SUPERnatural ie beyond the natural, ie prior to the natural universe and its logic. Before time, before causality, before matter, before math. Etc

>>512781402
I asked why your most devout choose to do these things if your religion is real then your faith should be strong.
But it's not.
You routinely commit atrocity.
Your churches are akin to synagogue.
You exclude people who don't attend and give preferance to those who do.
You each teach that the other churches devoted to christ are fake and blasphemous and that yours is the one true church.

Two millennia later and they're still seething

>>512782310
>That would be natural, since they’d originate in the natural universe.
And so would your favorite flavor of God. Yet we don't have evidence of either
>>512782310
>Before time, before causality, before matter, before math. Etc
Yeah <insert any supernatural I can make up>

All you're doing is presupposing God of the gaps

>>512767287 (OP)
Reminder that Pagan Rome had
Synagogues, even in Rome itself
Jews were exempt from conscription
Jews were exempt from Roman religion and could do what they wanted
Jews could hold office and many did
"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SACKING! LOOK LOOK MY MEME YOUTUBE VIDEO"
They saw them as rebels and literally bent over backwards for them later
They didn't understand or care how Judaism worked and had a "these ones are rebels but these guys are the good ones" attitude
They happily accepted money from Jews in times of crisis and gave them special privileges
Consider actually reading for yourself instead of glossing over a wikipedia article you then call jewish ten seconds later
"B...B...B...B"
They literally are destroying America after they literally saved them from the Holocaust and gave them an entire country of their own with unlimited funding
Jews autistically seething at something long after isn't evidence of persecution

>>512781762
>It has to be some kind of learning disability
It's actually a jewish tactic, the goal being to push you to exhaustion so you either give up and they claim victory, or you start becoming righteously violent and they claim persecution for their beliefs when they dindu nuffin.

The only way to argue back against those jewish liars, is to exterminate them mercilessly. They see us as literal animals with a humanoid appearance, I'll treat them like rabid animals with a barely humanoid appearance.

>>512782467
>Jews autistically seething at something long after isn't evidence of persecution
Yup, remember the 64 millions

>>512767287 (OP)
>coordinated effort
I hate you, fags, for ruining this board

>>512782445
>75 years is the blink of an eye
So, he’s saying we shouldn’t forget about Herod, then?

>>512782245
yeah i'm not stupid enough to post images of myself or loved ones on 4chan.
atheists are amoral and would likely to stalk me.
you're only safe posting your tubby body on here because Christians are commanded to love their enemies rather than hunt them down and shove their thumbs through their eye sockets.

>>512782678
you have one with his wife?

it's nothing dishonorable,
i'm just curious as to what caliber of woman would marry a reddity goober who hates God

RETVRN

>>512782678
>yeah i'm not stupid enough to post images of myself or loved ones on 4chan.
But you'll mine 4chan for dudes that hurt your feelings lmao..
>>512782678
>atheists are amoral and would likely to stalk me.
Like keeping your pics in their device?
>>512782678
>Christians are commanded to love their enemies rather than hunt them down and shove their thumbs through their eye sockets.
We all know Christians like you cherry pick your religion. And I also know your a limp wristed faggot. So you pose zero threat to anyone anywhere

>>512782678
>because Christians are commanded to love their enemies rather than hunt them down and shove their thumbs through their eye sockets.
That only applies when the enemy is jews. Filthy fucking jew-worshiper beast, you'd gleefully kill me for being a free Aryan, but you wouldn't touch a single hair on a jew.

Saulstian leaders outlawed Paganism under threat of immediate death, and committed countless genocides against non-jew worshipers, and after a millennia of absolute saulstian power, the jewish issue still hasn't been resolved, not a single saulstian leader in History tried to kill the jews or at least exterminate their power, you don't have a single Hadrian, Titus or Hitler. Death to you and all traitors like you.

>>512782678
>your tubby body
Where?

>>512767287 (OP)
>success
>entire lifespan was riddled with civil wars and absurd corruption
>the very fucking second german tribes decided to push into it the whole rotten structure fell apart

>>512782632
Turns out most politics are based on ones personal religion.

>>512782935
way to reply, anonymous expert

can you tell me why you're posting photos here?

>but hey they built some fucking nice stone structures which poisoned the whole ass population and built some fancy ass baths(gay bars) for their pedophile elite so it's all okay
>-american with the same pedophile elite and water poisoning

>>512782811
i don't.
>>512782935
>Like keeping your pics in their device?
i don't keep it on my device, i just visit where you posted it here:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/505058625/#q505079820
if you were smart you'd report and delete it, someone could probably easily find you given the fact that the name you namefag with points to a city and state.
>>512783061
>bottom right

>>512782177
>Jewsish
Jewish*

>>512783061
>based late 2024 freemium ai
prompt in "rectify arthritis in fingers", it should iron it out if you're still within first 5 prompts when it's using the better version

>>512767710
All abrahamic worshippers are narcissist schizos like their "god", so yeah I guess they're "in his image".

>>512783311
>i don't keep it on my device, i just visit where you posted it here:
Oh, even better. You go searching for them lol. Ahahahaha
>>512783311
>someone could probably easily find you given the fact that the name you namefag with points to a city and state.
None have so far and none will. And if anyone wants to try then should learn the gun laws.

I know you're exactly like a leftist. You won't do anything but you post this hoping someone does.

Let me know when you can point out losing 125lbs and lifting weights = tubby or fat

You won't. Instead you'll post more jealous seeth :^)

>>512782452
> And so would your favorite flavor of God. Yet we don't have evidence of either

Uh, no? No offense but you seem a little bit intellectually stunted. I literally gave you the definition of supernatural, prior to the natural universe, which the Christian God perfectly aligns with as he is the basis not just for material but for time, logic, mathematics, everything in existence.

> Yeah <insert any supernatural I can make up>
>All you're doing is presupposing God of the gaps

Incorrect. Different supernatural entities would have different properties which would be logically untenable in our universe. For example, Judaism and Islam both claim to follow a monistic, unitarian deity which is completely separate from human nature and unknowable. But if that’s the case, that would mean humans have abilities exceeding that of their creator God, and it would also mean that He is impossible to know - which refutes the very idea of those religions being valid descriptions of God in the first place.

Christianity uniquely and originally explains how God and human nature are intrinsically linked, how love is an eternal aspect of his own nature, and how/why Christianity can claim to know and understand and teach about God’s nature; because He became one of us, He created our nature and being, and He wants us to know Him and understand Him. It is the only acceptable answer.

>>512783348

>>512767287 (OP)
it's always Christianity (((they))) attack, they never go after islam or hindu or whatever, always Christianity, makes you realize by in-direct circumstances what the TRUE religion/God is, the only God who doesn't need to beat his chest and throw lightning bolts or have a harem of women in his celestial palace, whose strength is perfected in weakness, something mortal men just cannot truly fathom. A God that serves rather than to be served, who liberates instead of enslaves

>>512783499
>And if anyone wants to try then should learn the gun laws.
pretty based, my respect went up for you 10pts
still in the negatives though, fat greasy heathen.

>>512767287 (OP)
>historical causation

But the history doesnt even make sense and seems riddled with logical contradictions and plot holes...

Why is everything soo cartoonish and ridiculous??

What's the real world like?? What's the real deal, not your bullshit manipulation story, but what's the real real? It sure as fuck isn't your "religious" takes... What's the real world like? Are emotions real? Made up? How about thoughts, motivations??

>>512783566
so you can see my posts

now give me the retarded point you made that got you strutting around like a peacock

unless you're yella???????????????????

>>512783531
>Uh, no?
See
>>512782154
>But the truth is that anything that interacts in nature then no longer becomes* supernatural.
>>512783531
>prior to the natural universe, which the Christian God perfectly aligns with as he is the basis not just for material but for time, logic, mathematics, everything in existence
I don't see why I should believe your personal feelings when I can just replace "Christian God" with any other God or make up my own.

You're presupposition fails to demonstrate past its own bias

>>512783531
>Christianity uniquely and originally explains how God and human nature are intrinsically linked
To you.

>>512783622
>fat greasy heathen.
Just like I said
>>512783499
>Let me know when you can point out losing 125lbs and lifting weights = tubby or fat
>You won't. Instead you'll post more jealous seeth :^)

>>512783717
>so you can see my posts

>>512783889
ya huh

that's your retarded goober concession then

peace out, hobo

>>512783811
>I don't see why I should believe your personal feelings when I can just replace "Christian God" with any other God or make up my own.
>You're presupposition fails to demonstrate past its own bias

>>Christianity uniquely and originally explains how God and human nature are intrinsically linked
>to you

Nope, it’s a logical argument based in objective truth claims, feelings irrelevant. You can’t explain any other God or belief system that explains what I’m positing. I welcome you to try; but I noticed you still haven’t and are just insisting you could “pick” or “invent one” without doing it.

This is common among atheists, ironically; they simply insist upon it over and over but never provide empirical examples or logical argumentation.

>>512779491
Based and Gro'Goroth pilled

>>512783621
>Isn't it suspicious how you're looking for a cure only for the disease you have?
No, jew, it is normal. Kirchenkampf was right, so that nonsensical bullshit picrel of yours can go away. There are still churches everywhere and movies praising yeshuah, you can screech yeshuah is king in the streets as much as you want, meanwhile people are unironically arrested for drawing a Swastika in the sand.

>>512784023
>>>Christianity uniquely and originally explains how God and human nature are intrinsically linked
>>to you
>Nope,
Yup

>>512784023
>it’s a logical argument based in objective truth claims, feelings irrelevant
Such as?
>>512784023
>You can’t explain any other God or belief system that explains what I’m positing
Yes I can. I can even make up my own God. Or I can just claim aliens that exist in a supernatural alternate universe crossed over and made this one.

>>512784023
>I welcome you to try; but I noticed you still haven’t and are just insisting you could “pick” or “invent one” without doing it.
Just did
>>512784023
>but never provide empirical examples or logical argumentation.
Your favorite flavor of god is without those as well

>>512784023
atheists are always the most miserable seemingly, it's also their "religion" even though they claim to not believe in anything, they are to be prayed for

>>512784256
>even though they claim to not believe in anything
I never claimed this. I believe in a lot of things

>>512784154
Yes this response tells me you 100% have not read the gospels or Paul's letters, Christianity is the MOST anti-semitic religion in the world, God will burn religious jews and non believers in a lake of fire for eternity, they will be banished to the outer darkness, a place of gnashing teeth, it doesn't get more anti-semitic thatn that, there isn't a second place

>>512784243
> Yes I can. I can even make up my own God. Or I can just claim aliens that exist in a supernatural alternate universe crossed over and made this one.

Failure. You’ve failed to address the problem of infinite regress or the origin cause of human nature and relationality. Try again. There’s a logical structure you need to adhere to, this isn’t atheist science funko pop time where you just shit out sci fi tropes on a plate like a medicated child, you need to account for the nature and structure of reality and explain;

Relationality
Human nature
The origin of the laws of logic and mathematical structure
How the natural universe must adhere to these or explain how it wouldn’t have to (ie law of non contradiction, law of causality)
Unity in diversity

Failing to do this and account for these things is an intellectual failing based out of ignorance.

>>512784521
>You’ve failed to address the problem of infinite regress or the origin cause of human nature and relationality. Try again
How? These aliens are enternal and have always existed duh.

>>512784521
>Relationality
>Human nature
>The origin of the laws of logic and mathematical structure
>How the natural universe must adhere to these or explain how it wouldn’t have to (ie law of non contradiction, law of causality)
>Unity in diversity
The eternal aliens from another dimension did all those things duh

>>512784521
>Failing to do this and account for these things is an intellectual failing based out of ignorance.
If you don't believe in my opinion about enternal aliens from another dimension then you are ignorant!

:^)

>>512784480
I have read the entire bible, it is a filthy jewish book, and saulstians are degenerate jew worshipers. No amount of cope will change the fact you jew-worshipers have NEVER solved the jewish issue or even attempted to, that something like Charlemagne beheading 4500 Pagans for refusing to worship a jew has never been done against jews by any saulstian leader in History, or the fact that your leaders outlawed Paganism but never judaism. You are all spiritual jews, you are enemies of humanity, and if you were given 6 bullets and put in front of 5 Pagan Aryans and 1 jew; you'd kill every Aryan and let the jew go on about his day. You are our enemy, you chose to be, and you will be killed for it.

>>512784723
So your final argument is that you concede the necessity Christian God but you’re just calling Him “aliens” instead? I guess if that’s the only way you can submit to me while still keeping your dignity I’ll take it. Thanks for playing

>>512784897
>So your final argument is that you concede the necessity Christian God but you’re just calling Him “aliens” instead?
Incorrect. My argument is that I can make up and presuppose any "supernatural" thing is the first cause with the same logic and argumentation you use for your favorite one.

Which means you really don't know but you really really want it to be your favorite thing

Thank you for letting me walk you through it

>>512785117
Yes but then you proceeded to assign all characteristics of the Christian God to it because it’s logically necessary but you just called it a different name because you were intellectually dominated. Read a book or three

>>512785615
>Yes but then you proceeded to assign all characteristics of the Christian God to it
Incorrect. I said aliens, as in plural. It'd a.whole society of these beings. Duh dude c'mon. You're so ignorant

>>512785743
Nope. You’re trying to assign naturalist views to supernatural characters. You’ve failed logically. Read a book, this is embarrassing and you’re unfit for such discussion

>>512785615
>all characteristics of the Christian God
Then you assume that your favorite flavor of "god" only has these characteristics or that it was the first

Read a book, or three

>>512785880
Christianity is unique yes. You have no proof of a religion with the same teachings because it’s unique. You’re insanely stupid, unfit for discussions here.

>>512785808
>You’re trying to assign naturalist views to supernatural characters
Like man assigned characteristics to your god
>>512785808
>You’ve failed logically
Which is just you admitting you gained logically because I'm doing exactly what you're doing kek

Concession accepted

>>512785954
Incorrect, Christianity logically coheres, your beliefs don’t because you’re an intellectual lightweight and your best argument is making up “aliens” that perfectly mimic the Christian God. You’ve failed. You’re unfit.

>>512785936
>Christianity is unique yes. You have no proof of a religion with the same teachings because it’s unique
Changing the goal post from characteristics of God to teachings.

Greeks and Taosit predate your "teachings" because your "teachings" are from them

>>512786040
>Incorrect, Christianity logically coheres
You haven't demonstrated how. Just keep claiming it

And you want be able to without relying in your personal feelings and opinions

>>512786108
I already did

See>>512781636

You haven’t addressed any of this at all. Pathetic.