Thread 512783971

Could this work? (don't steal my business idea)

>>512783971 (OP)
Goy, no. We track you.

>>512783971 (OP)
They won't pass emission standards.

>>512783971 (OP)
GE will buy all your stock and put you out of business.

>>512783971 (OP)
Iirc they made it so you have to destroy a lot of vehicles in crash tests to prove they are safe. It's like a trick to destroy smaller competitors

Toyota already does this and big US auto manufacturers do everything they can to stop those vehicles from hitting the American market. They want you to be forced to buy an expensive piece of shit. They are deathly afraid of having to compete with a reliable and affordable vehicle.

>>512783971 (OP)
It’s illegal to make vehicles without computers

>>512784264
The manufacturer model date has them set pre emissions

>>512783971 (OP)
No,. We have emission standards and efficiency standards.
We're not going back to 8miles per gallon because some fucknugget in texas wants to not repair his truck for 30 years.

I bet if you actually set up a company to manufacture a $10k pickup truck that you'd probably get targeted by auto unions and other groups, and sued into oblivion.

I've actaully been wondering lately if it's all "chinese ghost cities". I drive by so many car lots in my day to day... and this system really is retarded, and gay. Just by land mass, huge swaths of the city are "parking lots" holding cars that are "for sale" but... the inventory simply doesn't move at regular intervals. It made me wonder how much of it is a scam to move around assets, and to print money w\ mortgage-prices for giant pickup trucks.

Honestly, in a perfect world, we wouldn't have nearly as many just sitting around. It should be like the Tesla sales system, built to order.

>>512783971 (OP)
Kek cars were always digital you fucking retard. You can have zero or one cars. How the fuck do you have a wave of a car. Is this place actually fucking all brown people now?

>>512784446
The emission standards are a jewish trick. The reason the hilux isn't sold in the US is because "it doesn't pass emissions standards" but those emissions are proportional to the weight of the vehicle. A hilux is obviously better for the environment than an f150 or a diesel pickup.

>>512783971 (OP)
This is incredibly antisemitic, there's no planned obsolescence or firmware for CIA/MOSSAD backdoors.

>>512784411
>It’s illegal to make vehicles without computers
Not in Russia. They still make cars without airbags.

>>512783971 (OP)
I would settle for a fucking 1994 Toyota Camry. Comfortable, great mileage, electonic fuel injectio, cloth seats, , A/C, 250k miles life.

Just reissue that fucking car. An new-old truck would be sweet, but even a fucking car at this point.

>>512784068
Lol, thats how they justify the mark up, in reality they replaced all the quality parts with cheaper optimized to fail materials. Then slap some wifi in it with a jeeted app to claim to mark up despite cheaper design.

>>512783971 (OP)
Based Russia already had this idea

>>512783971 (OP)
For $20k, no way in hell.

>>512783971 (OP)
the reason such machines don't use that kind of antiquated tech is that the new stuff is just simply better, more efficient, and more reliable.
you're looking at the past with rose tinted glasses like someone with modern indoor plumbing wishing they lived in the seventeen hundreds... but not realizing that they had to wipe their asses with corn cobs and used rags etc and shut in an outhouse and washed their clothes maybe once a month.

the reason modern machines like trucks and washing machines aren't repairable is not because they use electronics, it's because the electronics they use are bespoke and closed source and incompatible from one machine to the next.
this is a very solvable problem, but it will not be solved as long as the ignorant masses like YOU keep buying from and rewarding the companies for making hardware and software that locks you into their walled garden.
in other words: if you bought a John Deere, or if you run Windows, or if you own an Xbox, etc etc then YOU are precisely the cause of the problems that you complain about-- and so you have no right to complain. YOU ARE DOING THIS TO YOURSELF.

if you demanded that Ford or Chrysler or john Deere open up and provide the source code for their electronics, if you run Linux at home on your computer, if you bought an open source smart phone etc, then you are part of the solution and have a right to complain.

>>512783971 (OP)
>no vehicle costing over 20k
You'll sell at a loss then

>>512783971 (OP)
No it can't work because if you make a good product you'll stop having customers because your product works. You need to make bad product that doesn't work, that is the heart of capitalism.

>>512784415
"New companies"

>>512784860
wrong

>>512783971 (OP)
Can’t make vehicles like that because of (((emission))) standards

>>512784264
this
energy star ratings for appliances and smog checks for cars would prevent this

>>512783971 (OP)
they will anhero you voluntarily out of a window with your hands tied behind your back just like the guy who figured out how to build engines running on tapwater and so on

>>512784688
>a jewish trick
Literally the opposite. It's a Henry Ford trick.

>>512784266
kek
>*GE Vernova

https://www.carscoops.com/2009/11/volkswagen-bids-farewell-to-golf-mk1/

Worked for VW

>>512783971 (OP)
Carburators suck, too many small parts hard pass that's boomer shit.

>>512783971 (OP)
Good way to get Tucker'd by Detroit even if they're not as powerful as they used to be.

>>512783971 (OP)
Dude, did you update your fridge’s app today? It added netflix support.

>>512785056
/thread

>>512784264
emission standards have been cancelled with Big Beautiful bill

>>512783971 (OP)
Vehicles is probably more difficult because of evolving safety regs but all appliances have entry level units with only the very basic electronics required. This has never not been a thing.

>>512784860
A new 2025 Honda Civic barely costs $20k. If you ripped out some more expensive electronics you could easily make it cost less than $20k.

>>512783971 (OP)
Won't work because of EPA and federal regulations. Get rid of Catalytic converters and you'll get an extra 20MPG but muh enviroment.

>>512784415
That makes no sense. Lets manufacture a vehicle in 2025 but say it was manufactured in 1975 lol

>>512783971 (OP)
Yes and there's definitely a market niche for such products yet nobody wants to do it. Makes you think

>>512783971 (OP)
Not feasible at all, big three have it locked down and the absolute cheapest would be like 40k which is what they do. Startups have to be different like Ineos and they start their midsize at 70k. Anybody who thinks the could do this is delusional

Regulations make this literally impossible.
You could make a truck/car/etc that easily makes it to 300k miles with only regular maintenance, but you have to saddle it with a bunch of dogshit prescribed to you by the regulatory agencies(Administrative state).
Thanks FDR.

>>512783971 (OP)
a few things
1. it is illegal to make vehicles that are simple due to emissions, mpg, etc. regulations from the 70's. Manufacturers get around this by making their cars huge and classifying them as trucks.
2. it is cheaper for the manufacturer to make digital over computerized slop (it's where the supply chain is)
3. You would probably have to spin up original factories and tooling to make any simple classic stuff. Can't buy that stuff from other people. Literally lost tech.

I have often thought of starting a company that makes like cheap ford ranger and lincoln town car clones but it is literally impossible.

>>512785056
Yeah, support this initiative except carbs. Keep those limited to ROTAX.

>>512784859
>have a reliable machine that does a good job at something
>add unnecessary complexity to it
>those unnecessary electronics are, coincidentally, the first parts that fail

Making them open source doesn't fix the problem. Turning simple machines into incomprehensible Rube Goldbergslop is a cancer. It's so kiked that it hurts.

>>512784688
Toyota already has the Tacoma in USA, which is more suited for wide american asses. So having (even a gasoline) Hilux and Tacoma would be redundant.

>>512785166
They already do that even with the added shit. Modern vehicles are pretty damn reliable and everybody has survivors bias for the old shit that people pump money into to keep going.

>>512784859
you can't refute this

>>512783971 (OP)
if they work and last 30 years, you won't sell much and go out of business

>>512785143
It's built by the millions in heavily automated factories that took tens of billions to build and furnish
You are not competing against that

there is a reason new car manufacturers don't pop up overnight and why so many people have been dooming over tesla for so long
Many of the current big auto manufacturers will probably be bankrupt within 10 years too.

>>512784860
Toyota makes a 10k truck, of course thanks to big beautiful tariffs they will never sell it here.

>>512783971 (OP)
Trucks will not pass emissions test without computers and modern engines and other equipment will not pass blue print tests as well

>>512785143
>barely costs $20k
they cost $25k, that's halfway to $30k, faggot. you barely have any sense.

>>512784859
Shut the fuck up linuxtard

>>512785230
I'll keep my shift an the fly 4x4 too along with my broken A/C, I'll fix it someday.

>>512785396
You would probably make most of your continuing income on parts sales and service. Not profit but just to sustain. Sales growth would run out eventually, but only after like they get sold to everywhere in the US and north / south america. By which point most of your cars would be 50 years old.

>>512783971 (OP)
You'd have to undo a lot of regulations here

>>512785396
sounds like retarded MBA thinking

like saying you can't sell videogames or computer software because it's infinitely copyable for free by basically anyone with a computer, which is a copying machine, so therefore there is no business or profit in software development

Very retarded shortsighted way of looking at things.

>>512785471
I already said this within the first 5 replies. I hate idiots who open a thread to respond to it without reading it.

>>512784446
a jew appears

>>512785166
I reckon if you stripped a car of most of the electronics except the A/C, blower system, cd/radio/mp3 player combo and whatever hidden security features I could live with that kind of a car.

It doesn't help that most cars look ugly and aren't aesthetic like the 70's, 80's or 90's car, I would rather those boxy edgy shapes than the boring balloon faggot aesthetic but... no money, and the car prices are inflated to all fuck, it's just about a miracle I have and own one, but too bad it doesn't do anything but cost a fuckload in petrol, tax and insurance costs per year; this is before you get into the clusterfuck of 2030 and the predatory electric cars ONLY retardry that is ruining cars for everyone

>>512783971 (OP)
If it made business sense, someone would be doing it already

>>512784266
don't issue stock

>>512784446
Lol had a 1970 Chevy Impala. Small block 327 with a 2 barrel carb. Had 3 gears. Went 90 mph in first gear. Got 20 mpg city and 28 hwy. You fags know jack shit about old cars.

>>512784264
This. We would probably still have 1960s style appliances and vehicles but corporate capture through lobbying for emissions standards has killed all that

>>512785576
you didn't say the price nor specify the cause, and I was replying to someone specificly, so get of my back nigger.

>>512785556
Look at Tupperware or instapot. They are having massive issues and bankruptcy due to not selling cause everyone already has one at this point.

>>512785636
it does make sense however the car manufacturer industry is old money and it is purposefully impossibly bureaucratic and expensive to prevent upstarts. Politicians always pandering to ford and gm and shit because they have power.

>>512784859
>plebs choose this path with their wallet!
>ignoring thousands of companies who chased the just in time ecnomic model coupled with globalism which stripped the buying power and industry from the plebs.

I won't mind tossing you with the 'rich' fuckers. You are using their arguments that we somehow deserve this hell. I never got a choice, I am forced to take what is offered on the market. I don't have the capital to do my own industry. Simple as.

Neither do any plebs.

>>512783971 (OP)
This faggot is a lame duck president starting next April. In 3 years, we will have full pendulum swing back to NWO programming (which the entire rest of the world is on) and emissions standards will force electric and battery and this vision will never ever happen. It's unironically overand that is why the epstein files need to be released now so all these faggots at the tops in governments and companies globally need to be exposed and killed in their homes NOW.

>>512785526
This is one of the biggest problems with capitalism in general. Making good products that last a long time is actually punished by low profitability. This forces companies to make shitty products with planned obsolescence so they can continue to sell and maintain the broken shit they peddle.

>>512784068
This is ypur classic 4chan doomer/naysayer

>>512783971 (OP)
Nope.
You have to meet government standards to mass produce vehicles or washing machines. You aren't the first to think like this. You could make very limited numbers of these products but then you'll never be very successful at it.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Could this work? (don't steal my business idea)
The car/trucks won't work in the US, there are already laws that would block you every step of the way and it would probably cost 100k anyways.

The washing machines are still being made, buy a fucking speed queen they're one of the few companies still producing appliances that last and are basic.

>>512784859
why are you open source preaching about appliances that don't need computing in them. I mean I use linux because of these reasons.
>the reason modern machines like trucks and washing machines aren't repairable is not because they use electronics, it's because the electronics they use are bespoke and closed source and incompatible from one machine to the next.
a washing machine doesn't even need a computer. nor does a car really. or it should be easily accessible to replace. the problem is you can't replace failed sensors on 80k vehicles that brick the vehicle for no reason. just get rid of the sensor and the bullshit safety garbage that makes the drivetrain lockup. let me take the motherboard out and fix it.
it is an open source question but try telling open source to republicans who want a 15k truck that the computing parts are minimized.

>>512783971 (OP)
It's a good idea.

>>512784721
We need cars like this

>>512785970
I have to wonder if you could circumnavigate these regulations by making a bunch of individual parts for a washing machine, that, when assembled in a particular way, just happen to coincidentally form a functional washing machine. you take the box of parts to a guy with a shop, he builds it for you, and the manufacturer isn't responsible for any of the bullshit regulations.

>carbureted engine
What is this nigger's problem? Fuel injected is superior.

>>512784721
And they cost x3 price of other countries cars

>>512785869
Not entirely. The problem is that we live in a time of extremely short boom - bust cycles for companies. Like how many start ups have you seen appear, sell a product, get shilled everywhere for a month, and then disappear..

Companies are institutions but we live in a meritocracy larp where we act like dick head on amazon selling off brand play-doh or cheap trimmers is an "entrepreneur" when in reality it's a Chinese factory undercutting the US. Why? Because it hurts America and the difference in cost of living and currency value favors them.

In the U.S. you used to have such institutions. They were essentially political-economic units like US Steel, Ford, and even small things like Amana making appliances (they last forever, I have seen multiple 30-40 year old amana appliances). These companies no longer produce quality goods because their profits aren't protected by the jews in daddy gov't because they are internationals who hate Americans.

EFI is far superior to carb. That's a fucking fact. Just get a 90s EFI if you want it dummy simple. Mechanical/Analog washing machines are still good through 2018 if you get a speed queen. New washing machines are objective dogshit at doing their job to save electricity and water.
t
>1994 F150 haver
>2016 Speed Queen
>also a handful of wringer washers, one is from 1920

>>512783971 (OP)
To drop a white pill,I waz watching Candace's doc, and It's just like I told you. All of these rich elite are hideously ugly from greed and fucking children.

>>512785613
just realised I am a dope. still need the electronics for lights; fml. anyway, would be a usable but dangerous car in the dark just listening to heavy metal and driving at 90mph in an unlit area until I crash into something cause I forgot to install lights.

still I don't think I am wrong in thinking most vehicles don't need most of the features like heated seats/steering wheels or subscriptions to netflix so you can watch shit on it or even sat nav system isn't necessary if you have a standalone - these are all features of convenience that I am talking about, strip that shit out and you have a vehicle that is cheap and does the job everyone wants it to do, but it's not available on the market anywhere

>>512785858
>we will have full pendulum swing back to NWO programming
the pendulum is a bad example cause the damage was done by obama and before. they've always been gatekeeping sane vehicles for the sake of something that isn't even profit.
I saw three cybertrucks saturday night. wow you bought an RC toy with a battery pack 200 times the size of a toy. it will all end up in some lake with the rest of the batteries.

>>512785313
Look I'm all for returning to tradition in some ways but you have to live in reality.
Before the industrial age people worked 24/7, they got up before the sun and worked on their farm until it got dark and then they did home maintenance until sleep.
Your 17 year old trad wife was ugly as shit 9 times out of 10 and there was no make up or any other shit that women used to make themselves look better.
Many died screaming in horrible pain because no modern medicine. Enjoy getting surgery with no anesthetics.
There are plenty of things to look back and appreciate but there was a lot of horrible shit as well and the modern world isn't nearly as bad. We're just so used to decadence that even a bit of suffering feels terrible when our ancestors would kill to live as good as the worst of us lives today.

>>512785396
They used to last 30 years and nobody went out of business

>>512786088
Nobody needs cars like that.

>>512783971 (OP)
>dear people do this

>>512785313
Whoever made this has an understanding of history based on Game of Thrones or Vikings. A feudal serf is closer to a modern day third world rice farmer.

>>512784264
What emissions standards kek? Zelden even removed diesel emission standards

>>512785475
>Engine burns gas
>The burning produces CO2
>Somehow if you put a computer in there it will lower the CO2
Why are you stupid

>>512786257
>still need the electronics for lights
you will always need electronics to distribute a spark to the cylinder, dude.

>>512783971 (OP)
Import them from Russia....

>>512786281
>Enjoy getting surgery with no anesthetics.
That's somewhat of a common misconception: Frog mucus was used as ancient form of it.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Could this work?
no, the 'safety tests' will all fail for some made-up reasons that only having tracking and kill switches can fix

>>512785483
You're forgetting taxes and other fees. It's probably much closer to 30k full price.

>>512786088
you had your own once

>>512786443
and don't forget alcohol

>>512786310
probably like>>512786215
says, the extremely short boom/bust cycle is caused by cheap money, which is convenient, so what do you do to capture that cheap money the government is printing and inflating the economy with? you add features of convenience or you skip a step and start half-arsing the work done, maybe you even send the manufactory abroad to let slaves build it to get a better tax rate and more profit by importing cheap junk. god I hate it.

>>512786323
You do understand that you only see your car for a minute before you get in ? You don't get to watch it while you drive.
That car doesn't look reliable

>>512786509
Take a swig of jack danials and then saw your leg off, tell me how that goes.

>>512785869
Making products that last a long time is sustainable - things break, new models release; there's always a certain amount of demand for a good product even if it lasts a lifetime.

The problem isn't that capitalism discourages this, because it doesn't. What discourages it is the stock market, supreme court, inflation, and investor expectations. It's not enough to make a decent profit year over year; your company is a slot machine that by law has to do everything in its power to make the investors rich. You can't just sit there for 50 years with a good company and then let your son run it and his son and so on for 20 generations making a small but consistent profit.

No, you have to nickle and dime and gouge and scrape every last penny out of your customers' pockets to keep up with market and investor demands, if the stock's not exceeding +8% year over year you have your company taken out from under you by someone else who can and will do that.

And that entire process is what leads to everything being cheap worthless garbage, not capitalism inherently. Capitalism, and long-lasting products can exist simultaneously if we would just have someone, for fucking once, think issues past the immediate and into decades and centuries.

these vehicles already exist you stupid fucking retards. americans buy stupid trucks because they're stupid, and "hurr durr i liked older shittier trucks" is just another way to perform masculinity and not in any way more practical or sensible

>>512783971 (OP)
>Could this work?

No because carburetors are a dead luddite technology. I seriously don't understand boomers obsession with getting rid of computers in cars.

>REEEEEEEE MUH COMPOOOOTTER IN MUH CAR
>REAL MEN CANT WORK ON THEM ANYMORE

ODB has been in cars since before I was born. You know how many times I've taken my car to a mechanic because I couldn't figure out the computer? Fucking zero.

>car won't start
>plug in code puller
>get code
>google code
>it tells you what is wrong with your car

A magic box in my car? That tells me exactly what I have to fix so I can get back to living instead of fixing this shit all day? Yeh lets get rid of that. Like holy fuck are you retarded?

>dur you don't get it

I have 3 dirt bikes all with carbs. I get it. Its fun as a hobby. Then for the real world I hop in my fuel injected computer controlled Dodge Ram. This larping that carbs are better for everyday life is fucking retarded and saying you hate computers out loud in conversation makes me instantly peg you as a fucking retard.

>>512786416
Modern engines adjust to environmental conditions much better than a dedicated fuel leak running your car.

>>512783971 (OP)
Illegal due to endless standards, regulations and other bureaucratic red tape. They have effectively turned everything into a disposable item while at the same time complaining about waste and efficiency. Everyone in charge of the 'green' agenda ought to be lined up and shot.

This thread was obviously made by someone who has never worked on a vehicle
Suggesting CARBURATORS marks you as an idiot

>>512786435
well. you are perhaps very mechanically minded and know more features that can be stripped, I was planning on having my ideal car started with a handcrank.

>>512786584
Aussie Utes are shit and that’s why you all are getting invaded by actual American trucks.

>>512785807
>I never got a choice
yes you did. you could have voted for a government that regulated the market to force large companies to give you better choices.

instead you chose to be an american, and you get what you fucking deserve

>>512783971 (OP)
>no vehicle costing over 20k
kek remember when last year Toyota made a 10k truck and everyone was excited about cheap pickups for work coming back and then Trump slapped tariffs on it and amazon made their own version of cheap pickup for but for 20k
you will never get a cheap truck goy

>>512783971 (OP)
Everything is gay now because of government regulations, in this case green shit.

>>512785712
>muh instapot
both missed huge opportunities to expand into new markets, that's why they're having issues. tupperware could have made bank during covid with disposable containers, but did they? no. pactiv did though, and the just got snapped up by novolex for $6.5B

>>512786504
That was a reliable little shitbox
Next stage was this but then the chimpout happened and now they don't produce anything

>>512783971 (OP)
They'll never allow it because of lobbying and (((emission standards))). Toyota made a $10,000 and it's banned from the United States.

>>512784264
The appliances could, easily.

>>512786584
>americans buy stupid trucks because they're stupid,

Why We Can't Have Small Trucks Anymore -

Blame the EPA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azI3nqrHEXM

>carburetor
Larper. They're fully obsolete, fuel injection is just superior in every possible way.
Not to mention that you can't run diesel engines without injection, does this retard thing a truck would use unleaded gasoline?

>>512786603
>A magic box in my car? That tells me exactly what I have to fix so I can get back to living instead of fixing this shit all day? Yeh lets get rid of that. Like holy fuck are you retarded?
Love that shit man. Truck is randomly stalling, rough as fuck idle, hates going into reverse gear from forward, instead of parts replacing liked a monkey pull out the OBD scanner
>your TPS voltage is out of spec
>$30 part
Done, fucking dummy simple.

>>512786761
They are trying, things like Dutch oven instapots and ninja collabs but people just don’t need them. I adore mine but don’t foresee another one

>>512786715
you know that even simple kick-start motorcycles and hand cranked cars used electricity to ignite the air fuel mixture in the cylinders, right? before battery powered systems they were fired by magneto

>>512786269
Pendulum swing as in the messeging will be overtly commie, unlike the fascist messaging now. Both have the same underpinning - it's a small group, and you ain't in it.

>>512784446
My 2025 CT5 Blackwing is averaging 10.4mpg. You sound like a faggot

>>512784264

This.

>>512783971 (OP)
Its actual regulation stopping this from happening. You are forced to buy the cuck washing machine that senses the weight of the laundry so it can save 1% water.

And there are so many things in cars that have been made less durable and reliable because the old version produced more drag that reduced fuel efficiency.

>>512783971 (OP)
great idea unfortunately you will be hit by an unmarked van when crossing the street

>>512784833
>OH NO, NOT THE PRETENSIONORZ
In this car we die like men, saar

Big brother needs to be able to turn your car off the moment you try to flee.
I don't know why they need computers in washers and dryers though.

>>512784859
>oh you don’t want a car where the doors can trap you if it’s on fire?
>you must want to wipe your ass with a corn cub huh???
Shut the fuck up, retarded pseud

>>512785083
>He doesn't have the new Samsung Skyrim fridge

NO ONE IS AFRAID OF BASIC COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY IN THEIR CAR.

THEY DON'T WANT TO BE FUCKING SPIED ON AND HAVE THEIR CAR AUTOMATICALLY DRIVE THEM TO THE POLICE STATION IF THEY GO ONE MILE OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND RECORD THEIR VOICES AND SELL IT TO GOOGLE.

I'M SO FUCKING TIRED OF THESE FAKE ARGUMENTS WHERE WE JUST LIE AND LIE AND LIE.

>>512786584
>americans buy stupid trucks because they're stupid
i buy trucks for the range (that miles, btw, NOT Km)

>>512787118
I am afraid of basic computer technology in my car.

>>512787068
To ration water usage for the foreign dignitary's Olympic size steam pool, plebian. Hail science!
>If you own "Smart" things, you're dumb kek

>>512784446
You niggers are so schizophrenic over the strangest things

>>512786546
>lada
>reliable
LOL

>>512787173
Omg same

>>512786281
I know you’re a literal homosexual faggot but most men are fine with ugly wives so long as they aren’t fat

>>512787118
There are a lot of boomer luddite retards who are not making the argument about spyware and malware, but act as if every computer in existence was created by the devil.

Computers, internet, electric vehicles, AI, telecommunications in general. The only modern thing they want to keep around is the idiot box that tells them what to think every day.

>>512784411
Thanks, Obama!

>>512786565
this 1000%
not to mention that lit literally takes millions to start any substantial business. Like if I took $50k and got a business loan I doubt I could even buy a car was let alone buy one. Most people aren't involved in the parts of the economy where inflation is the worst.

Milk is like 5x more expensive than it used to be. How much more expensive do people think the equipment to process, ship, distribute, etc costs now? I used to work at an ag dealer and like the cheapest shittiest tractor is like $300k. Every small farmer I knew was buying 10-40 year old machines instead.

>>512787337
Why haven't you moved to a third world country and gotten yourself a thin trad wife than larperfag?

>>512786902
they brought that upon themselves

>>512786088
unironically yes

>>512786565
The Dodge family deserves execution alongside the descendants of the lawyers who beat Ford

>>512783971 (OP)
I'm so sick of truckfags and I own a truck for my business but its just so gay. Every other retard wants some giant land boat

>>512786603
People had to buy whole new cars because the circuit board on critical parts quit working. Only my radio is digital. If that quits working it is no big deal. This is why you don't do that. Unless you are loaded with money and are unlikely to piss off the CIA.

>>512786117
you would be guilty because of the obvious intent. would not survive a lawsuit

>>512783971 (OP)
i think its a really good idea

>>512783971 (OP)
no. companies add all this shit because the average consumer wants it. you can still buy analog devices, but you dont because youre too stupid to understand what you want

>>512787173
All right Apollo

What color? BLACK

>>512786603
>there is no difference between a plug-in code reader and the ability to wirelessly disable your vehicle.
Fuck off kike, my piece of shit car will automatically apply the breaks to prevent an “accident”
Fuckt that, what if I need to ram something? Get this kike shit out of my car.

>>512784721
Airbags are a scam, they expire after 10 years and will likely burn you from using defective parts.

>>512787439
true, instapot is an example of something so well made that everyone who wanted one got it but then they couldn't sell any more. their product was literally so good the company went out of business

>>512783971 (OP)
The main problem would be government regulation. There are water-efficiency standards and energy-efficiency standards that cause all sorts of stupid problems for you, like your truck engine isn't "efficient" enough so you have to make it shittier from a long-term reliability standpoint in order to get the short-term fuel efficiency gains.

>>512787486
>would not survive a lawsuit
Neither would the judges and lawyers afterwards ;P

>>512787068
They have barbecues with computers and WiFi, there was a pic of a guy's barbecue that stopped working because it was updating.
Idk if it was fake

>>512787462
>only option is large trucks
>people buy the only option
>wahhhh people are retarded not the government fucking us over I would never blame daddy government please govern me harder daddy rape me ahhhh yeahhhhhh

>>512784961
Cant Trump make this happen for us?

Maybe ban it from interstate roads (like I95) or something, but FFS make something cheap and reasonable and new.

>>512787408
>larper
Kek what am I larping?????? What a strange reply

>>512786584
that's illegal in the US

>>512787608
>Maybe ban it from interstate roads (like I95) or something
Maybe kill yourself, bootlicker

>>512787651
And yet I see them all over the place, and KEI trucks
Suck shit, legalfag

>>512787602
I have one, never have had that issue in the 7 years I’ve owned it. Even still if that pic was real it’s like 1 more minute for a smoker that’s gonna take 12-24 hours

>>512784859
Toilet paper is full of PFAs that cause cancer.

>>512784688
why would toyota cannibalize their tacoma sales by selling another midsize

>>512784306
>Toyota already does this and big US auto manufacturers do everything they can to stop those vehicles from hitting the American market. They want you to be forced to buy an expensive piece of shit. They are deathly afraid of having to compete with a reliable and affordable vehicle.
Absolutely. And the consumer, in general, doesn't even want what the American Big Three are selling anymore. It's all overpriced, overcomplicated, sometimes unfixable (except at a dealership for much higher costs), unreliable crap.
People don't want that, but they're forced to buy it anyway. I.e., the "free market" isn't working.

>>512783971 (OP)
Those trucks would cost a mint to drive and would fail every safety inspection.

>>512787651
Not illegal in the slightest

>>512785143
No the fuck they don’t you ignorant fucktard

>>512785636
I don't know if I should tell you to read How to Win Friends and Influence People, or if I should beat you with a volume of the talmud.

>>512786584
>perform masculinity
Heterosexual men don’t say this

>>512787486
>guilty because of the obvious intent

>YOUR HONOR
>AS YOU CAN SEE
>WHEN THESE PARTS ARE ARRANGED IN A PARTICULAR MANNER
>IT FORMS A WASHING MACHINE
>*jury gasps*

We live in a society

>>512783971 (OP)
I’ve had this idea for years, but I don’t have the money to make it happen. A manufacturer needs to start selling 80% cars and trucks based on the peak designs of the late 80s through mid 90s japanese cars. Similar to 80% firearms kits, they could probably bypass manufacturers safety and environmental regulations as it would be a consumer built vehicle. States would need to be on board with registrations but most states do allow homemade vehicles. I’m thinking something like making a 1990 toyota camry and some sort of pickup truck based on an 80s ford or gm but using design for maintenance principles from the usps long life vehicle program

>>512784859
You type like a faggot, and you're shit is all retarded. Almost everything has had some level of electronics in it since the 1920s, the difference is after the 1960's things started to get transistorized, and after the 1980's everything started to get computerized. I've seen old 70’s and 80’s refrigerators and washing machines chug along for decades with minimal maintenance, but by god every year my less than 5 year old fridge freezes up and shit's itself.

The transistorization isn't that big of a deal, it's micro-transistors that come with computerization that are the issue in regards the electronics. The only fix to modern electronics is swapping, there is no maintenance that can be done with normal tools without out right scorching a bunch of transistors. Making parts open source doesn’t solve the core problem with modern electronics.

As for most appliances, I don’t think that’s the issue anyway, the longevity of the parts inside the machine are worse due to the efficiency of the device being the larger concern for the manufacturer.

As for vehicles go, look at an engine block and compartment from a 1970's car and compare it to a modern one. What you will find is that the older car has fuck you room in the compartment and the engine is set up with like how a technician would do it, everything is placed were you could reach it and work on it with relative ease. Compare that to a modern car and you'll find you could barely stick your soft miniature dick in it without having to remove something first.

>>512787835
It would be better if the parts could also form something else

this is literally illegal

>>512787117
it boggles the mind that a 2025 suburban gets less than 20 mpg how is this even possible

>>512787370
buy a car wash let alone build one*
my brain down't work

>>512786817
Jeet namefag

>>512785056

Agreed, carbs and drum brakes suck. But odbii from early 2000's with no other bullshit would be great. Basically make the mechanical equivalent of early 2000's Toyota's and chevy LS's and inline and quad 6's, but with actual style like the older vehicles. Simple airbags are fine. Crumple zone is fine. That is it. No $7500 taillight that connects to a fiber optic network and can be hacked. No GPS bullshit. No 0 weight oil and weak ass CAFE valve springs that don't make it 100,000 miles. No bullshit CVT or 15 speed transmissions that shit the bed.

Standardize DIN infotainment sizes and don't allow manufacturers to put one in by default-- just leave a hole in the dash. You have to buy it aftermarket and it is illegal for it to communicate with the rest of the car, or to send any data about you to anyone. Punishable by corporate death penalty where the company forfeits all assets to the customers it stole from.

Also, direct sales to people and schematics and repair manuals must be open source. Fuck dealers. Fuck no right to repair bullshit.

>>512787837
I was just talking about that
>>512786117
>>512787486

>>512786281
>Opium was known and used by the ancient Greeks, primarily for medicinal purposes
I hate reddit niggers so much it's unreal.

>>512787468
>(((People)))

Yeh I actually believe you. I'm sure there is some dumb woman that sold her car instead of replacing a $10 circuit board.

>women and midwit men can figure out computers
>lets get rid of them

Thats how you sound right now. Retarded.

>>512787562
the product was good, the company was mismanaged

>>512787899
weight

>>512785638
You aren't factoring in human greed.

>>512784264
Those are for fags, just get rid of them.

>>512784859
The fact that Toyota is the sells the most cars worldwide because they're reliable and simpler despite being behind on tech and efficiency says otherwise.

>>512784306
>Toyota already does this and big US auto manufacturers do everything they can to stop those vehicles from hitting the American market. They want you to be forced to buy an expensive piece of shit. They are deathly afraid of having to compete with a reliable and affordable vehicle.
Here in Soviet America, market captures you.

>>512787946
at least to circumvent firearms regulations you must do the work yourself, but kit manufacturers make it easy for guns. I’m not a lawyer but assume a similar tactic would work for vehicles

>>512787532
>Fuckt that, what if I need to ram something? Get this kike shit out of my car.

Actually based answer but I specified for every day driving so my point still stands. Unless you are running over people on a daily basis in which case I kneel.

>>512788027
>>512788049
>>512784306

>>512785686
>This. We would probably still have 1960s style appliances
The reason you wont have 50's or 60's style appliances that would last forever with some supply of spares is because corporations refuse to make 'em like that and consumers aren't willing to pay the price those would cost. Haven't been for decades. People back then paid far more for that shit than modern consumers for roughly comparable products.
>and vehicles but corporate capture through lobbying for emissions standards has killed all that
Vehicle manufacturers have lobbied against all those emission and fuel consumption standards. That is large part why US car manufacturers focused solely on pickup trucks and heavy as fuck SUV's that count as trucks. Because they became uncompetitive when it comes to actual cars.

>>512784264
because those standards are retarded and built on faulty premises. an engine does not need a computer to be efficient and the idea that such sensors actually do shit that an analog engine cant is absolutely retarded.

>>512783971 (OP)
Last 30 years? Easy to repair? That's too eco-friendly goy, you hate the environment because libtards like it don't you?

>>512786281
>they didn't work 24/7, they literally had ENTIRE MONTHS off
>"worked on their farm until it got dark"
>assuming literally EVERYONE was a farm hand lmao what
>home maintenance until sleep (the very homes that....still exist today)
>17 year old wife
>ugly (lol)
>surgery with no anesthetics
>lmao what is alcohol

bro you have no fucking clue wtf

>>512784721
>>It’s illegal to make vehicles without computers
>Not in Russia. They still make cars without airbags.
And that's a good thing!
My dad tells me all about it. He was an adult when airbags started to become mandatory. He says the car companies and the media promised that because of fewer traffic injuries, people's auto insurance rates would decline quite a bit. They just kept increasing anyway. Clearly, the insurance companies pocketed the savings and then charged more anyway to pocket that too. My dad hates to be lied to and ripped off because he has self-respect (not the most common thing nowadays).
He also says they made the same promise when seatbelts became mandatory to wear. Insurance rates would supposed to decrease, but they didn't.

>>512787957
God you're such a fucking faggot, you're the worst kind of contrarian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVsUOuSjvcg

you are actually on to something bigger than you might have imagined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUBS5WvL2kk

white men are wizards

its amazing

even old ideas come back and are developed further and boom opens up new worlds

9p.io
greenarrays.com
https://www.happstack.com/page/view-page-slug/5/happstack-philosophy

>>512788263
Chug a four loco and cut your foot off. Tell me how that goes for you double nigger.

>>512788274
>calls everyone who refuted him a “contrarian”
You learned that word from family guy and you’re just retarded. You’re getting bitched out

>>512784859
The best part is no part at all. The problem with anything modern is the number of parts inside has dramatically increased since the 70’s or 80’s. Sure they may work better, when they’re working, but they last half the time. More parts means more things that wear down and eventually break. This is just basic engineering.
And yes I have a degree in electrical engineering, you want as few parts as possible.

>>512785471
They could sell it here, they'd just have to build them at one of their US plants. They could even build and sell those little compact trucks that are popular in Japan.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Could this work? (don't steal my business idea)
Your business idea is to talk about the good ol' days like a curmudgeonly boomer, but unlike the boomer you're a retarded child with no life experience? lol just go buy used, get one of these wonderful computerless cars from the 70s or 80s. It was the golden age for automobiles, I tell ya.

>>512785970
>>512786117
>>512787486
>>512787896
>>512787835
if it works for an AR-15 it can work for a washing machine

>>512786385
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
>All told, holiday leisure time in medieval England took up probably about one-third of the year. And the English were apparently working harder than their neighbors. The ancien règime in France is reported to have guaranteed fifty-two Sundays, ninety rest days, and thirty-eight holidays. In Spain, travelers noted that holidays totaled five months per year.
Fuck. Off. Jew. Nigger.

>>512788356
>oh you don’t like technology X?
>well we can’t have anesthesia without it!
Retarded. Infantile. Clueless. Etc

>>512788437
It works for an AR-15 because you're expected to build a product that complies to regulations or otherwise do proper paperwork for nfa tax stamp etc. IDK what regulations a washing machine has, but like if you got an 80% car, built it, and went to register it with the DMV IDK if that would work.

>>512788453
"holiday" =/= vacation it means you don't have to work the lord's lands. you still have to work yours if you want to eat, as well as mend your clothes, make your bed, fix your house, gather and chop firewood, forage, tend to your animals, etc. etc. etc.

>>512788427
Imagine living at home and calling others a “retarded child.” You can’t register cars that old in some states, maybe most. I know you didn’t even think of that, because again you live at home

>>512784306
This. You dont think those toyota hilux technicals have def systems and glitchy oxygen sensors with an autocannon bolted to it?

>>512787899
Its not a suburban. Its a CT5 V Blackwing. It has a hand built supercharged 6.2L V8 that produces 668hp and 659lb/ft of torque. Its number 81 out of 553 produced in 2025.

>>512788557
>make your bed
Any other flag I’d think you were being retarded by accident

>>512783971 (OP)
For the washer/dryer, Speed Queen's 'Classic' model 'TC5' exists.

>>512788637
anon, in the old days people had to literally make their beds. you had to go and empty your old mattress and refill it with straw or leaves or whatever as the old stuff rotted

>>512784446
Meanwhile you could spend $90,000 on a modern truck, that still only gets 8 miles in a gallon, but costs six times as much and breaks down every three weeks.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Speed Queen
They already make the washer and dryer set
Buy a Speed Queen

>>512788698
oh no I have to like take 1-2 hours a couple times a year for basic maintenance when I have 5-7 MONTHS WITH NO WORK

>>512784306
You're talking about the LC70 land cruiser yeah? It's such a shame I wish we could have them here

>>512788698
That was not something you had to do every day lol

>>512783971 (OP)
>Trucks should be cheap CHEAP!!!
A 20k truck would be a death trap. At that point just buy a used truck since it would be cheaper, more safe and more reliable.

>>512788705
They get close to 20 in pretty much any configuration and don’t break that much. I certainly have had more issues with supposed “bulletproof” older legendary engines than nu ones. All while just working better

>>512788624
those are beautes. i thought cunt Barra killed blackwing?

>>512788793
it was merely an example of the many thousands of backbreaking chores that filled the days of peasants. for example, washing clothes by hand. scrubbing cooking pots. and so on.

the point here is merely that a holiday for a medieval peasant doesn't mean they don't have to work. it means that they didn't have to do the mandatory work on their lord's land.

>>512788821
refer to >>512788892

>>512784264
Someone should work on getting those repealed for certain circumstances, then

>>512786565
>What discourages it is the stock market, supreme court, inflation, and investor expectations.
And the only loophole to this is to never take your company public. Private companies sustain themselves and often thrive by never falling into the trap of going public. This keeps them beholden only to the will and sentiments of the people that created the company, instead of being held hostage by a board or shareholders.

>>512788840
>just buy a used truck

>Government designs programs to buy cheap used vehicles for the sole purpose of destroying them and taking them off the market
>Woops, goy! Looks like you'll just have to buy a new car lmao

>>512788548
>include the gay shit in the kit
>oops I didn’t install the gay shit

That or just make a washing machine that is designed to easily disable the gay shit, then spread the instructions online.

>>512785056
>Carburators suck, too many small parts hard pass that's boomer shit.
Electronic fuel injection is definitely good for the lifespan of the engine (i.e. how long that engine will go before needing an improvement).
For me, the sweet spot when looking for a car that doesn't cost too much and will run a long time without engine or transmission failure (regular, and some larger maintenance), runs from the latter 1980s, when fuel injection became standard, until about the early 2010s, when vehicles became overly complex and just started not to last as long.
A 1998 Buick LeSabre should easily get you to 200,000 miles. A late 80s to 2011 Ford Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, or Lincoln Town Car (which are all the same under the hood, they just have different badging and slightly varied exterior design, and all ended production after 2011), should last at least 300,000 miles before needing an engine or transmission rebuild; many run much longer, even over 500,000 miles without those parts failing.
We will never have vehicles like that again, not in America at least.

>>512785147
>Get rid of Catalytic converters and you'll get an extra 20MPG but muh enviroment.
yea but even if those were kept computers arent needed. The only "benefit" they might have is the ability to micromanage vehicles. the actual reason for computer in vehicles is 1) makes cars more expensive and 2) makes them need repairs more often.

Simply put if the carb is well maintained then the vehicle doesnt need any electronics more sophisticated than a couple of relays and even that is overkill.
>but you cant argue that cars put out less smog than they did in the 90s
No, I cant it would be dishonest to say so. But, it would also be dishonest to say this is because of electronics in vehicles, its because of better engine design with tighter tolerances that ensure that fuel is being burned more efficiently and completely than in engines that were designed prior to the r&d and manufacturing processes becoming much more advanced. if all the curves that are applied electronically to engine input devices were shit canned in favor of purely throttle driven, analog, mechanisms Im willing to bet big money there would be zero recordable difference in emissions.

But then, oh no! cars would cost 10-25k again and theyd last decades! wont someone think of the shareholders!

>>512785773
Car manufacturing at scale is extremely capital intensive business. You can't make cheap product at low scale. You need a lot of money and make product at large scale to achieve economies of scale. That is why almost all new car manufacturers start with luxury or sports cars. High value-low volume products to get some name recognition and hopefully attract investors for more mainstream products.

>>512785484
hes right you fucking cretin

>>512783971 (OP)
>carburetor engine
>pickup truck
This nigga is retarded.

>>512785712
so you say i can sell one truck to every murican and get filthy rich before they stop selling?

>>512784266
Isn't the goal of anything to make something and cash out eventually?

>>512785241
He's actually right though, it would be extremely easy to run most hardwares electronics off of hobbyist raspberry pi tier boards with software downloaded from github flashed on to them. The problem is these companies intentionally design them with convoluted closed source software and cheap boards from China that are designed to fail at regular intervals so they can keep you on the hook for repairs/replacements. It's called planned obsolescence,Samsung with their smart refrigerators and washing machines are some of the worst offenders of this.

>>512784859
Thread should have ended here.
>>512785313
You can do that right now.
You can move to a third world country and be a subsistence farmer.
Meanwhile people from these countries leave their village to go get cancer at a shipbreaking yard in Indonesia so they can send money back home for their family to buy a metal roof for their house.

You would need a metallurgy facility the size of a state for that

>>512788768
I just looked it up and the last one was made in 2014 but the production basically stopped in 2012
Still impressive, they should have kept going

How hard is it to DIY a washing machine?

>>512788600
Toyota has entire different product lineup for 3rd world and terrorists and western countries. Series 70 land cruiser from 80's is still being made in Portugal for 3rd world and military customers that don't need to comply to emission standards in western countries.

>>512785988
>it is an open source question but
open source is a scam
btw. Linux foundation funded COVID tracking shit. Never forget that.
It also has way more security issues, because being a software developer means jack shit when you are incompetent.

>>512783971 (OP)
Technically? Yes absolutely. But in reality the corporations will block you out of in the industry by hook or by crook. Also the auto industry is entirely pozzed by californian requirements which bloat costs by demanding tons of stupid little shit that doesn't matter.

>>512785712
>design something good and proper
>it does awesome and lives up to its name
>remain a one trick pony and then pikachuface when there's no more customers

>>512784762

geo metro bitches

>>512789238
If you have the hundreds of millions of capital then yeah. Most people want to stay in business though. A company popping up then dying and not being able to provide replacement parts does not inspire faith

>>512788816
You can, its just Toyota charges more that most people make in a year.

>>512789259
Surely, there are higher goals to aspire to than making money. Creating a lasting legacy, helping people by making them a quality product, creating a product that is truly the best it can be, etc

>>512789125
>1) makes cars more expensive and 2) makes them need repairs more often.
And 3) they can remotely disable your car like Tesla did to that rapper

>>512789418
>stay in business
you mean screw over customers, so they keep on paying for nothing in return?

>>512788576
>because again you live at home
Case in point, adults don't say shit like "living at home" because wherever you live is your home because your parents are either dead or in a retirement home. I think you're full of shit about not being able to register a car that old. But if you don't ever get to drive a car from the 80s then just take someone's word from it who has, they were not at all what you think they were.

>>512783971 (OP)
you can't due to regulations. For vehicles, new cars need to meet NHTSA standards which now include a reverse camera, air bags, side air bags, abs, etc...

For washing machines, you need to meet environmental, water usage standards.

So for your business, you'd either have to be very small, like niche and even then, they'd go after you, or you'd have to get the legal standards changed first.

Best bet would be to "restore" older trucks. If you see those crown-vic frame swap trucks or similar Those guys take an old crown vic, and old truck, swap them, title it as a197x truck but it has newer running gear, etc...

>>512789304
adding a computer to something that doesn't need one is retarded. I don't care if the software is open source and the hardware is non-proprietary. He is absolutely wrong.

>>512788263
I hate this argument.
People worked less, and they also basically only possessed that which they themselves made.
Oh the farmers worked less? Guess what? They also only got food out of it.

Let’s say people work 5x more hours than farming peasants did (ridiculous). Do you think they are spending 20% of their income on food?

Did you know you can also take entire months off? I’m doing that right now. I’ve never held a job that a highschool dropout couldn’t get with a firm handshake BECAUSE it allows me that freedom. If you want your high paying office job and corporate ladder climbing it comes with sacrifices
But you can live a life much better than peasants while working even less than them in much better conditions.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Carburetor
Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to go back to carbs is a fucking retard. You don't need any fancy chips to run fuel injection. An old 8-bit CPU from the 80s is more than capable.

>>512789364
Pretty easy actually.
Just takes time and effort to wash.

>>512789471
that's why great software developers and great engineers make shitty "business managers".

>>512789507
No being able to provide support for your existing customers. That’s shit is important as if things break and you can’t provide parts then it’s just a hunk of metal. Vehicle startups are probably the riskiest ventures out there.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Could this work?
all illegal today

>>512783971 (OP)
Got a new Maytag washer amd dryer. Fucking both are total dogshit. Any old washer with a proper agitator would wash better. The computor on the washer always fucks up the water level, and the spin cycle is absolute murder, always off balance, ha e to baby sit every last load. The dryer takes forever and the clothes are always damp. Just venting, but that post is correct, we need to go back to what works.

>>512789566
We could build very reliable analog cpu's to handle a lot of mechanical operations.

>>512787931
Kike thread derailer talking to one of the Whitest people on the board, as proven repeatedly.

>>512783971 (OP)
Why do so many people want to go backwards with technology? Why not push for modern technology that's just better built? Make a company that manufactures cutting edge and innovative tech that's made with high quality materials by Americans. That's what we did up until the 1990s.

Bring back the mini-van.

>>512789585
I literally don’t understand what these help with,

>>512789560
>They also only got food out of it.
>only
>Do you think they are spending 20% of their income on food?
What you define as "food" is chemical waste.
If you want to actually eat real food, then yeah, that will be quite expensive, duh.

>and you see, the slave system gives you a month off, A WHOLE MONTH
how nice of them

back then basically everyone could easily afford a house. Nowadays not so much.

>>512785143
They did like 5 years ago. Not anymore.

>>512784264
My 33 y/o Jeep has better emissions than new vehicles. The ECU has 256 bytes of ram and AM radio, let me guess you need more.

>>512787605
Have you considered that not everyone who owns a truck needs one?

>>512785858
Thats not the pendulum, that is just a rigged system that magically keeps all voting no matter how shit the west gets at 50/50. Its all rigged, or at least anywhere important.

>>512784517
car manufacturers in europe are largely Finance companies who have cars as a way to sell finance. the branded and non-branded car dealers are paying loans on the cars in their lots which sit unsold and the consumers are buying on finance. it is not a consumer buying a product business. it is a middleman scalping business.

>>512789868
>256bytes
Not a chance. You can't do shit on that little memory. At least kilobytes of memory would be needed.

>>512789795
Those are washing boards.
That's what people washed their clothes with before washing machines.
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qDLOhHdS_II

>>512789617
Without electronics garbage, what part would be unique and specially made by your company?

>Home appliances made in the 80s had thirty year lifespans
The millenial delusion here is unreal
I dont even know where to start

>>512790127
my grandma had a fridge, which was probably 50 years old and it worked just fine.
of course it had no internet support or touchscreens, but who the fuck cares about that

>>512789795
it's a washboard, you rub the clothes back and forth over it with water/detergent and it is supposed to remove dirt and clean the clothes much like modern washing machines do when they spin.

>>512783971 (OP)
You'll be shut down due to antisemitism.

>>512790004
I know what they are, I don’t know why rubbing your dirty clothes on these is beneficial.

>>512790004
ahahaha that video is so fucking gay I didn't even realize

>>512789758
That's just silly and unnecessary. There is nothing scary or magical about a basic CPU/microcontroller. It's all of the extra nonsense that has been added to the cars in recent years that is the problem. Cellular/satellite connectivity, subscription options, sacrificing reliability/simplicity for a 1mpg economy gain, etc etc

Early-mid 2000s level of technology in cars is perfect.

>>512789975
I actually reversed the ECU, it uses a MC68HC11 microcontroller, 14000 lines assembly with hand tuned spin locks.

>>512790127
If he wasn't retarded he'd say to make 1950s appliances with modern day analog components with much tighter tolerances.

>>512789796
>well what if I deliberately misconstrue everything you said
>checkmate, goyim
This user is a kike. Or at least has the trademark kike schizophrenia.

>>512783971 (OP)
>built to last
>cheap
bad business model you stupid goy

>>512790127
Some stuff did, but the 80s were when the movement toward disposable shit really took off.

>>512790024
Well if it’s my car then all of it. You can steal drivetrains from others but everything comes back to you to support.

They still make analogue wash and dryers. They’re the cheap shit

>>512790127
Turntables are one of the best examples of this. completely analog. The storage medium lasts forever if stored properly. The sound of the vinyl is still highly desirable. Look at all the gimmicks and bullshit digital technology have had to go through to mimic even a fraction of the power records had. It's almost a century later, and popular music is still fucking released on vinyl.

>>512789795
You scrape your wet, soapy clothes on em to get the dirt off.
Modern clothes would get torn to pieces because the fabric is garbage, but back then it worked.

>>512790305
>you can't tell me that my delicious $1 pizzas are poison
>I just got fat because of poor genes

>>512786281
I had a wound that got infected and closed up so they had to go in and basically scrub it out a 5 inch by 3 inch pocket of flesh with steel wool and then cauterize the whole thing and sew it up. I refused to go under general anesthesia and demanded local anesthetic only. They told me it usually doesnt work if the infection is severe enough and I told them ok do it anyway. The anesthetic did not work at all and oh boy did it hurt but it wasnt more than I could take. I wouldnt even call it 10/10 pain. In fact id go so far as to declare that there is no such thing as more pain than you can handle, but cowardice runs wild.

>>512790333
>you need special wheels only made by the one who made the car
>you can't use different wheels, because well you just can't
You can even use 3rd party parts for certain electronic devices

>>512790220
I guess you didn't watch the video, you use soap and water to you know wash them.

>>512790127
I just retired my 28 year old fridge everything still worked except it was loosing coolant and didn't cool as good as it used to.

In the old days I would have gone to the hardware store and bought freon and recharged it. Not anymore.

I will be lucky to get 5 years out of the new one before a circuit board goes kaput.

>>512790365
CDs replaced vinyl for a reason.

>>512783971 (OP)
modern carburetors are actually more efficient than computerized fuel injectors, but because of "muh progress" no one uses them
they're basically analog computers at this point, with the flow rate being the product of a number of variables which can be easily mechanically controlled, and because you don't have to power it with anything but the vacuum of the pistons it requires no external power
in fact if you remove all the modern techno faggotry of modern vehicles the weight savings alone would give you significantly higher efficiency, also reduces throttle lag since the moment you hit the pedal the airflow into the engine increases, rather than having to computer the proper ratios and shit.
throw in some aerodynamics and you can easily get a car that gets 60+ mpg

>>512789125
Retarded take. I looked into this, computers are by far cheaper than carbs, they manage some safety and on the older cars just hook up all the required sensors to the engine. With a carb, you have to fine tune the thing by hand, unless you want to dump a shit ton of money into having the carb machined precise enough where they accept uniform tuning. And even then, the carb has to be retuned for winter/summer cycles, and for different humidities to be acceptable and not dying all the time. Meanwhile a good enough computer ECU costs the company ~$100 to produce, is cheaper to install, and can be auto tuned.

>>512789560
>They also only got food out of it.
>only got food out of it.
>only
what more do you need?

>>512790418
>more pain than you can handle
there is a point on the pain scale where you literally can't handle it. I've heard that people will simply pass out when, for example, their femur is snapped clean in half.

>>512784859
What could a washing machine possibly need to do with a 'pooter? Does it really need wifi?

>>512790463
Yes but YOU have to be able t lo take care of it. Doesn’t matter if some slope out there decides to make wheels for it YOU have to be able to support it or people will have no trust.

>>512790127
Mine are over 40 years old now and running with complete neglect

>>512783971 (OP)
Dude, that was my idea. "Dumb" machines.

>>512783971 (OP)
Of course it can.
Will it habben?
Nope.
Shame.

>>512790499
Carbs cannot be more efficient than fuel injection because they cannot adjust to changing conditions to remain at maximum efficiency.

>>512790471
what's funny is my fridge "made in Germany" only lasted a few years, but was expensive like fuck.
now my new fridge that I bought 15 years ago or so is from South Korea, and I unironically hope that it would fail, because it's fucking loud compared to the expensive but broken "German" one.
I guess I'm just lucky / unlucky.

But right, a fridge should cool stuff, nothing else. And if it does just that, it can last forever.

>>512786565
Capitalism is just communism with more steps. Same fucking jews in charge.

>>512784266
This guy knows. Nikola Tesla style.

>>512784264
>>512783971 (OP)
In the US, the simplest route is to make all of these as DIY kits. Local Motors almost made it work with the Rally Fighter. Do the build as an experience in a proper assembly bay with trained techs.
DIY appliances would be interesting but the builder would know it inside and out. Assembly time maybe two hours.

>>512784264
You can make them to energy star ratings. This is just about getting rid of the unnecessary electronics.

>>512789364
just gave me a great idea. im gonna make one and hook the drum up yo bicycle peddles. my wife will love it.

>>512790591
reminder that good TVs 30 years ago came with full in depth tech papers, which meant any good electrician was able to fix it.

No one is stopping any company from doing exactly that.

>>512784762
You could just check craigslist and find one in decent shape for ~ $3k

>>512790127
You fucking ztards can't grasp penis=boy vagina=girl. Yes. We had appliances that lasted decades with maintaince. Things like freezers lasted forever. Shit my Grandma has a freezer from the 1970s that is still working that's older than me I'm fucking 41 and she's 96. I remember it being there since before first Reagan administration. There are fucking rolls in that freezer older than you or fucking mom in there you dumb little faggot. For God sakes voyager 1 and 2 are still working with minimal software patches for over 50 years and they are in interstellar space right now you little bitch. America was once great.

>>512790745
Lol, not where I live. Illegals buy up all the old Toyotas and Hondas

>>512789381
>Also the auto industry is entirely pozzed by californian requirements
bet ya if someone made a pickup that sold for $17k but was illegal commie states it would sell out instantly.

>>512788273
It's almost like the (((government))) does nothing but lie and try and enslave every free man. Anyone who thinks there is a peaceful solution is already dead.

>>512790803
>voyager 1 and 2 are still working
At some point in the future, we're going to look back and say, 'How did we do it without space?'”

>>512790803
41 = Birth year 1984
Reagan's first term started in 1981

You remember it from inside your dad's balls?

>>512790803
>we go to the moon with less processing power than a graphing calculator
>what if we digitized this technology?
>never step foot on the moon again

>>512790841
Oh it would, but the startup costs would be insane. I doubt anyone will ever take the risk on that.

>>512785209
Nothing is impossible, you just need to be willing to work at a net loss for a decade or two, easy to do. (((Profit))) comes from satan's asshole after all, you aren't a faggot who eats shit are you?

>>512790745
this is my plan next time i need a vehicle. what ever it would cost to buy new im going to dump into buying a 91 bronco and paying a shop to entirely rebuild it.

>>512787608
>Maybe ban it from interstate roads
Why? Like actually, what do you mean by that. A car without airbags doesn't spontaneously explode just because you drive fast

>>512784721
Lada Niva has had computers since like the 90's. I had one from 97 and it was quite computerized compared to say a saab from the 60's

>>512790921
well we destroyed the technology including the original negatives, for some weird space reason and it would be very painful to build it back.

>>512783971 (OP)
Can't because of all the made up financial red tape. That reminds me in some states they charge you a yearly emissions test if your car is older than 2 years. Truly we live in a jewish hell.

>>512790914
you dont have ancestral memory?

>>512790657
Because some German engineer was probably faced with the decision of making it reliable and simple but a little noisy vs making it extremely complicated, complex and a little quieter.

Then they made the German choice.

>>512783971 (OP)
>Beepboop manufacturers will demand government 'protect comsumers' from these devices.

>>512786894
>i love having problems. so much that i put a bunch of shit on my car that it doesn't need so it can break and have problems. then i have to put more dumb shit on there to figure out how to fix it because i'm a fucking dumb nigger. and just to make it even better, i'm going to have to buy some dumb shit to talk to the extra dumb shit to tell me what's wrong with the shit my car doesn't need in the first pace! and i may even have to PAY for the software so the dumb shit can talk to each other. so much better than just having a simple car!
what a faggot

>>512790929
yea i know I looked into it because I wanted to build something entirely custom from the ground up. the hurdles they placed on getting a vehicle recognized as street legal are fucking insane. When I was looking into it it was something like if your first design is flawless it'll still cost ya north of 5 million for all the testing and other bullshit.

>>512784446
I'm certain that ever tightening emissions standards really exist to stop anybody getting 100mpg out a motor.

>>512790921
The Apollo crafts used digital and analog computers.

>>512791061
no, fridges aren't complicated and that shitty German fridge was even without any electronics.
It was expensive as fuck, and the main part failed and I was told to buy a new one, because repairing would be 500 or 600 euro bucks.
my current one was even less than that as a whole. The German one was around 2000 bucks if I remember correctly. and it was a scam.

>>512783971 (OP)
if Chink 2k brand new trucks and cars were able to hit the US and Canada all US and Canadian car companies would go bankrupt in 5 years. this is why there are massive blocks from the government to stop people buying them here. manufacturing here has been completely gutted since Nixion opening up to China and no matter what manufacturing is never coming back.

only total fucking retards would rather pay 100k for a truck when the alternative the same size is 10k

>>512784306
what I want to know is what is happening to these new trucks and cars that come out every year who the fuck is buying them

>>512786846
When carburetors were the norm, you could repair every part of your car beyond the transmission and do it with average toolsets until you take apparent the engine itself. You could rip out entire wiring harnesses and replace it all in an afternoon with just yourself and a friend.

Everything may have been a bitch to work on, but at least you could. And it didn't cost thousands of dollars for some shit tier part, most parts could be had at the hardware store or even nigger rigged together to be just good enough.

Calipers, alternators, break pads, spark plugs, air filters and batteries. Anything else in the car was either hardware store generic item or junkyard scrap you could go rip out yourself. Now we have fucking HEADLIGHTS that cost thousands of dollars.

>>512790220
You use them with very wet clothes that are immediately pulled out of the water. The ridges push the dirty water out of the cloth no different than the agitator in a washing machine. Repeat it a few times and finish with 1 or 2 clean rinses, preferably on a second washboard. It's slow but your clothes come out very clean. We used to have them on the farm I grew up on and we used them sometimes for the hell of it. They work well.

>>512784965
Yep. Isn't that why they took our "pup trucks"?

>>512785656

>Went 90 mph in first gear.
1st gear: 2.85:1, 2nd gear: 1.68:1, and 3rd gear (direct drive): 1:1

Unless the rear axle was 1:1, or you had monster truck tires it could not go 90 MPH in first gear

>>512786894
>i love having a computer that can tell me the computer is having a problem which causes the entire vehicle to not function properly and then I can feel all proud of myself because the computer only needed a $30 computer part

>>512784264
>Just make rock solid Internal combusion People's Kar with no computers.
Oppressive Jewish Emission Standards.

Why don't both of you trade in those pink skirts you're wearing for some badass camos and jump on in for the big win? We'll pay you a million paper hung US Dollars and then make the Russians say yes to the other end of that trade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_o6vcB_f8

>>512791234
The thing fucking up mpg is vehicle weight (heavier weight), poor aerodynamics, and high speeds.

They could do it if everyone was willing to drive under 1000kg very tiny engined cars at a maximum of 50mph

>>512791394
most people don't even need a car. Plenty of people in third world countries live their entire lives being transported by motorcycle.

>>512791386
>I love having no idea there is an issue with the engine until it melts a piston from running too lean

>>512785018
Henry Ford git fucked by jews. He wanted to shorten the work week and raise wages, but jews sued him because they think that a companies job is to raise stock prices. You should look into it before blaming Ford himself.

>>512791386
what's funny is that IBM Thinkpads were and still are superb notebooks, and you still get replacement parts for them, even original ones. and you can replace basically everything.

meanwhile nu-notebooks are glued together, if anything fails, you throw them away.

You can have a computerized vehicle without being tracked and datamined. The ECU could even be open source with OTS parts and cost no more than $20. The only thing preventing this reality is the international jew. Henry Ford was right.

>>512785147
>Get rid of Catalytic converters and you'll get an extra 20MPG but muh enviroment

Not to mention the cost alone of a catalytic converter

>>512791499
>i have no accountability or autonomy and am incapable of doing pre-trips or inspections. i need buzzers and flashy lights like a child.
maintain your equipment you lazy faggot

>>512785166
My 2005 Toyota is at 265k and still going strong.

>>512791733
I’m sure you will immediately stop if one cylinder is leaning out for some reason right? It takes a pretty short amount of time for a cylinder to get hot and burn like that.

>>512785484

9p.io lower your tone apple user

>>512785556

the damage done by mba n university in incalculable

shit like flibe.com and greenarrays.com sits there wiating for china to grab

king now send irish italian and other non white male home, gak jew, and free girls and castles f
or white male engineers manufaturing free from king end corporaitons banks lanbdlords owners and other capitalist bullsh
it liek school shrinks lawyers unions etc use flibe.com and grenarrays.com to replace oil gas coal net media big tek a
nd other bullshit experiment with plan9 from bell labs and rmox occam-pi csp os from u kent in england as well and other
fre software noever llow owners again or middlemen and burn anti white racists for treason
any AI would say: make 100 rooms per white male, boot orc including irish and italians, gak jew, and girls are property
and force abort. Any society even with roman level tek which did this would be rich beyond measure.
Jew parasites live in castle make women whore by fake sales

>>512790382
Yup, that is some peak kike schizophrenia

>>512785576

cry more faggot I read from bootom

>>512790470
… are you retarded?

>>512790546
Electricity.

>>512785603

jews hate progress because something can make thier crap something to just be stepped around
flibe.com
9p.io
hydrogen car

>>512785636

kek

nice bait

explain flibe.com greenarrays.com not being funed or bought by china or russia?

>>512791394
It's more than just that, though weight is a big factor.
Adblue added like 50lbs to the vehicle weight. EGR and DPF directly adversely effect fuel consumption.

>>512783971 (OP)
controlled obsolescence has been in place since the 80s ... the jews will not let a profitable business model go.

>>512790807
We should deport all illegals by bus. Make them sell their assets to pay for the ride home. Used car problem solved

>>512785686

https://youtube.com/shorts/d3hyZO7t-24?si=cgD9RP1ykeR1ecH2

>>512792077
>schizophrenia
https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1941983158230028516

>>512784411
Yeah unfortunately. But it's possible to start a business that only sells pre-computer used cars and trucks and make a brand out of it.

>>512790921
Tut-tut

>>512785712


becasue capitalism is retarded

ending scarcity is way to look at it

build more rooms

capitalism obvious joke or rooms and pussy teen be 1$ by now

>>512785773

https://youtu.be/KbnGlcQiL1c?si=C-_CtEGZ0KsnxPo8

but we cant print half a trlloin to give ukraine

flibe.com
greenarrays.com
take money from university and school huge net waste laweyrs n shrinks too