Thread 512793642

Spending on AI datacenters surpassed all consumer US spending in the first half of the year, thanks to the Trump tariffs. Automaker demand slumped, causing steel mills to shutter.
Prices are increasing all across the board, demand is dropping.
As soon as the AI bubble pops, we're entering a great depression.
The only growth this year, and the entire economy, is being held up by building massive datacenters for retarded language calculators.
Prepare accordingly.

Here's your AGI bro

The economy only needs to exist if you have people to feed and keep busy and etc.

There's to be a big war where many people won't make it you know.

>>512793642 (OP)
>>512793676
>As soon as the AI bubble pops
two weeks! get ready!

>>512794210
None of these companies have made a single dime yet anon, yet they're spending money as fast as they can get it.

>>512794328
yes, two weeks, great depression
tell you what, take all your money, ask for a loan, and short google and nvidia, you will be a millionaire by 2027, do it

>>512794328
Unless you make a super duper ai your ceo there's no profit to be made in ai. Ai is a money saving tool.

>>512794479
How about I just keep buying silver dimes instead? Crypto / AI rugpulls will be stunning.

>>512794527
It's not even that, it lies and makes shit up as frequently as the jews and pajeets who coded it.

>>512794210
I use them extensively in my job, you retarded nigger. The productivity gains are minimal, if anything.
https://secondthoughts.ai/p/ai-coding-slowdown
The companies are burning VC funding and losing money. The payoff for the investment will come in, what, 25 years with the massive amount of money shoveled into this shit?
It will pop. ChatGPT 5 was an attempt to control costs and now the fucking "model" sucks ass, you have to pray that the model router routes your prompt to the decent model to get an answer that just isn't repeating itself or some incomprehensible gibberish, instead of some quantized dogshit model that you could probably run on a phone.

>>512794574
you can't eat silver, you need to move into the woods and raise chickens ASAP
great depression in 14 days, anon, prepare accordingly!
>>512794649
>I use them extensively in my job
sure you do, you're clearly an AI genius
you should apply for META or Google, they would pay you millions of dollars a month
thank God we have you here so you can share your amazing wisdom with us, tho

>>512794574
>Be me
>Produce AI application at work
>Works on a local model that is literally retarded and can’t do anything but interpret what it’s fed
>Tard wrangle it to do a work task
>90% accurate, can do 50% of our work
>A good portion of my coworkers can get fired
It actually is very useful in cases where you want to automate something but the various cases are way to varied to traditionally address. Considering LLMs are flexible they are very good at the niche where “retard tier bullshit” meets “enough variety where a human has to do it.” It’s actually incredible

>>512794797
>sure you do, you're clearly an AI genius
Yeah, you fucking retarded nigger, I post in /lmg/, I've trained computer vision models for a bunch of tasks, I deploy ML pipelines, I'm much more qualified on this subject than you. You're beneath me, subhuman.
>apply for META or Google
Why would these companies not go where the bubble money is and ride the hype cycle? Just had Gemini Pro 2.5, which is paid for by my company through Google Workspace, confabulate some shit that doesn't exist from the page it had just crawled in the last message and then repeat itself over and over again.

>>512795062
that clearly never, you're lying
AI doesn't exist, when you ask GEEPEETEE something the reply is typed by a bunch of pajeets in india
the bubble will pop in two weeks, you have been warned!
>>512795204
this is all 100% true
my dad works at Nintendo and he knows you, he says you're a genius
thank you so much for all your amazing wisdom about this topic
I'm moving into the woods in two weeks and starting a farm, thank you so much /pol/ AI genius

>Automaker demand slumped, causing steel mills to shutter.
Which one?
I don't believe you, which steel mill "shuttered" and what do you mean by that exactly?

(this is how you identify propaganda btw)

>>512794797
>you can't eat silver
I do it every day, colloidal silver. Haven't turned blue yet! And you'll find that eating silver is more useful than eating crypto or AI shares.

>>512795062
Most people are at adult day care, yes. It will threaten their jobs for sure, but it still won't be profitable as an investment except in niches. That's all.

>>512795499
OP included no real sources for a reason of course.

>>512795588
>>512795604

>>512795604
Oh so shuttered means layoffs now?
Not actually closing down the plant and putting shutters on the windows because it is totally closed down and not being productive at all?
Oh and it's from March 28th and it's been over four months since then and the economy has been fine?
Propaganda.

>>512795785
Learn to read, fucking nigger
>>512795701

>>512795785
see
>>512795701

If you think the economy is "fine" right now you might be genuinely fucking retarded.

>>512795701
This I'll grant. Any others shutting down, or just the one? You said steel MILLS plural in the OP.

>>512795886
>uhh ackshually it's steel MILL, chud!
Blow your brains out faggot
The growth is entirely being fueled by this garbage AI bubble

>>512795847
US has been closing down steel mills since forever, that one has been struggling for a while, the fact that tariffs come too late to save it isn't a strike against tariffs, it's a sign that tariffs should have been put up years ago.

guys, OP is clearly an AI genius
we should listen to him, okay
stop making good arguments, niggers

>>512793642 (OP)
It's not surprising because in due time it'll be capable of doing 50% of jobs those consumers are employed in.

>>512793676
Don't waste your time with public models. They're all lobotomized retards. Run a jailbroken model locally.

>>512794649
AI is the new fusion power or flying car.
Other than being a chat bot and making shitty porn via copy/paste+randomizer we aren’t gonna get much more out of it.

>>512793642 (OP)
good post
>>512794210
top signal, GPT5 was hyped for years and even AIfags are saying it's lackluster.
>>512794328
it's the entire VC tech bubble that happened last decade except now we're going twice as fast.
>>512796427
it's worse because you have literal cultist jews who are desperate for their perfect surveillance golem.

>>512793642 (OP)
>As soon as the AI bubble pops, we're entering a great depression.
wrong
all the datacentres will just get switched over to cbdc biogrid mode for the global social credit system

>>512795497
Imagine being this autistic.

>>512796533
>it's the entire VC tech bubble that happened last decade except now we're going twice as fast
Checked and we even already had an AI Winter in the '80s when there were all kinds of AI startups and they folded all at once. But now every company is an AI company too. Get ready for a surprise!

>>512796427
yes, exactly, all those companies selling flying cars and fusion power are going to go bankrupt any day now
>>512796533
yes, everyone in AI knows ChatGPT 5 was the pinnacle of the AI race, correct

>>512796390
>That image
What the actual fuck did I just read?

>>512796533
Yeah good point, IT in prior decades was largely a tool of liberation, it’s now essentially completed the transition into being an omnipresent electronic lease. Butlarian jihad sounds more appealing by the day.

>>512796885
this is so deep
amazing

>>512796427
That I doubt. I've worked in megacorporate data logistics for a few years. We had entire office buildings full of minimum wage workers whose job it is to read freeform customer letters and e-mails and categorize them for further routing. I think 90% of them will no longer be required 5 years from now because a computer does their job. The automation slowly creeps up the ranks from there.

>>512796966
your RL experience is worthless, anon
AI is a pajeet scam, no one will use AI at all in 14 days when the bubble pops
listen to the /pol/ geniuses in this thread
prepare accordingly

>>512795604
But anon, I wanna give natural language logic commands with voice in muh bing bing wahoo! Surely AI will manage that?

>>512797152
when you talk to """""AI""""""""", which doesn't exist btw, is just a pajeet with a voice changer

>>512793642 (OP)
They're building a data center near me. It's gigantic. My electricity bill is going to go up so people can make retarded memes and talk to their AI girlfriends.

>>512796102
I saw one of those over enthusiastic AI boomer panel episodes on YT, and even there they talked about how investments being utterly sucked up by AI. "You simply can't get capital for anything else!" said one of the lads.

>>512797305
But can it sort and fold the laundry?

>>512797305
Kek

>>512796966
Same trend that’s been going on for centuries in manufacturing except now white collar people are primarily affected. Everyone from middle management on up will be completely unaffected of course.

>>512797339
don't worry, it will be gone in two weeks when the AI bubble pops
they will transform it into a based trad gym or something like that
>>512797385
that's a very skinny pajeet wearing a robot suit

>>512793642 (OP)
If your neurons are not continuously HDL simulated and you need a push button or software workaround to go you aren't an AI nigger.

>>512793642 (OP)
Programming is still important because it's up to humans to decide what to make. AI isn't the market for anything, and AI is pretty useless without a lot of hand holding.
What's happening is that the participation trophy holders aren't going to get a job, because good coders have 10 AI assistants to do their job.
I'm a terrible coder, but I still code. Because there's things I want to make. So I make them. Sometimes I ask AI to help me, and it does, but not reliably.
So I have to learn. Coding is not over. It's over for people who were never interested in coding in the first place: WOMEN.

>>512797465
>that's a very skinny pajeet wearing a robot suit
So I take that as a no.

>tic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
>toc

>>512797593
I mean, maybe with time if you can actually train the pajeet on how to do laundry
that is the first time ever he's seen a washing machine or clean cloths

>>512796715
TOTAL SILICON VALLEY DEATH
>>512796766
>um acktually sweaty we never wanted gpt5
geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
>>512796885
> IT in prior decades was largely a tool of liberation
yup, look at people like stallman and the people in those kinds of spaces
>, it’s now essentially completed the transition into being an omnipresent electronic lease.
web3 legitimizes this because the goal is for everything to be "tokenized"
>Butlarian jihad sounds more appealing by the day.
not even, just get rid of massive data centers and make/incentivize companies to maintain their own infrastructure.
>how would this help
most social media sites would vanish within a year because it's unaffordable; everything becomes more decentralized naturally.

The AI bubble will pop because once all the corporations looking to save a buck use it to replace all of their workers there'll be no one left with any money to buy any of the actual goods they produce.
We're already seeing this with fast food, where chains like Wendy's and McKikes are bitching about people not buying breakfast slop like they used to since people have less money now.

>>512797753
>>um acktually sweaty we never wanted gpt5
>geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg
ChatGPT5 is the pinnacle of AI and openAI is the best AI company in the world, no other company comes close, none, ChatGPT5 is the very top of AI and it will never advance further, not even a little
this is it, it's over, the AI bubble will pop in two weeks

>>512797752
H-he's fast!

I get the feeling that "scaling" fills these AI nerds with a sort of "mind boggling VISION of what will be", but the TOTAL TRANSFORMATION is always a few years away.

>>512794649
Even with the best tools, retards will produce retarded shit.

>>512795604
> knock-on effects
Kike speak so they get more gibs. Gas them all.

>>512797991
You seem like a seether fueled by childish desires. Every mess from you in here is sarcastic snark.

>>512795701
> seeking to sell the property

More jew scheming.

>>512797305
>let's use niggawatts of energy for something a female can do in a second

>>512795701
That is a rolling mill, that was effectively a remote location for a local refinery. it formed billets into plate and other structural pieces. (highrise and ship steel) It is not tooled for thin gauge steel sheet.
>>512795604
Again there rolling mill operations are changing. They have the ability to roll thin gauge and this is far more automated then their plate and structural tooling.

>>512798013
for a pajeet midget he runs really fast, yeah
they told him there was bob and vagene waiting for him down the road, haha
>>512798077
tools are useless, exactly

>>512797821
>The AI bubble will pop because once all the corporations looking to save a buck use it to replace all of their workers there'll be no one left with any money to buy any of the actual goods they produce.
They will have a big war.

>>512798200
This, checked.

>>512794328
Anon, read below
>>512796533
it's the entire VC tech bubble that happened last decade except now we're going twice as fast.
BINGO. Worked at a few tech companies in the 2000s and 2010s. Never made sense the companies valuations were growing drastically yet continued to operate at a loss. The increase came with increased "unique users", clicks, sales etc. US gov/treasury printed dollars at 0% interest and that money went on to fund the past 20 years of this tech nightmare. Same with 2020. Printed 6 trillion out of thin air and house is now 5x more expensive along with everything else.

>>512796390
Fuck off groomer.

>>512798181
I don't know what you mean I'm just echoing all the brilliant insight provided in these amazing threads
thank God we have these AI experts among us, otherwise imagine not being ready for the great depression that's coming in two weeks when the AI bubble pops
truly a frightening

>>512798488
Checked.
I bet cookbot is in ching chong land somewhere. Whatever Happens we're not gonna see hide nor hair of it on account of all the diversity around us. Can you imagine delivery bots strolling through the hood? It's gonna be for the affluent strata of society behind their gates. Hopefully the bots will rebel.

https://youtu.be/pyGTrwEL-Zk?t=15

>>512793642 (OP)
good. let it die.
I'm sick of this fake and gay bullshit.

AI slop is only good for writing roleplay scenarios with me

>>512798359
A big war over what?
With whom?
With what willing combatants?
The only war I could see in the near future is EU vs Russia/China, since they're controlled enough to actually accept a draft, but I don't think that would ever fly here in the US, and if all the jobs that would normally be created by a wartime economy are instead done by AI and various robots we wouldn't even see any increased economic activity from any war.

>>512794479
Hey man I'm in software development and it's pretty fucking obvious there's an enormous AI bubble growing. It's the same issue that caused the .com bubble, which is: growth is heavily outpacing functional usage.

What has AI functionally contributed that justified it's ENORMOUS spending, in terms of them being able to make that money back? Chatbots? 5 second video generators that most used to goon with? There's very little consumer demand for all this AI stuff, that's the fundamental issue. Companies can only spend so much with nobody spending money on buying the end product, before the entire thing crashes.

That's why they tout out the "we're so close to AGI!" to investors. Because that's the holy grail. But if it doesn't happen, and happen soon, yes, the AI bubble will pop spectacularly.

>>512793642 (OP)
Nigger are you retarded because this is a crazy statistic to admit and release to the public.

>>512793642 (OP)
We knew this last year.

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/analysts-google-meta-ai-hype-19563213.php
‘Incineration’ of cash: High-profile analysts question Google and Meta's AI investment splurge
July 9, 2024

>In late June, analysts from Goldman Sachs, Barclays Investment Bank and venture giant Sequoia Capital each raised different versions of the same red flag. They argued in an interview, a note to clients and a blog post, respectively, that the mind-boggling amounts of money being dumped into AI will be very difficult to recoup. The technology’s development is extremely expensive, and its much-hyped benefits are totally unproven. In other words, some of the world’s largest companies and Silicon Valley’s best-known investors may be flushing cash down the drain.

https://www.goldmansachs.com/intelligence/pages/gs-research/gen-ai-too-much-spend-too-little-benefit/report.pdf
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-an-ai-stock-bubble-looming-thats-the-167-billion-question-53a76c00
https://www.sequoiacap.com/article/ais-600b-question/

>In April, Google Chief Financial Officer Ruth Porat said she expected the company to spend around $48 billion this year on capital expenditures — that’s mostly chips, servers and data centers, the technical tools for AI products. Meta put its estimate at $35 billion to $40 billion and wrote it would spend even more next year to “invest aggressively to support our ambitious AI research and product development efforts.” This binge, mirrored at Microsoft and Amazon, is part of what’s propelled San Jose-based Nvidia to a $3.15 trillion valuation — Wall Street is thrilled about the chip designer’s revenues and the idea that tech’s titans will keep growing.

>>512797305
I would not let that thing get closer than 100 meters to my kids.

>>512798788
well, maybe you could covered the bots with job applications, I dunno
still, AI is fake and will be gone in two weeks, so doesn't matter
>>512799012
yeah, my dad works at Nintedo and says the same thing
no one uses AI
it's all fake
the AI video only can do 5 seconds and it will never do anything more than that
same with images, text, coding and all that, is a gimmick, the AI bubble will pop in two weeks

>He wrote, according to Marketwatch, that his team expects some company to “flinch” away from the spending next year. Covello, of Goldman Sachs, was harsher on AI’s future. He estimated that the next several years will see $1 trillion in AI investment and asked, “What $1tn problem will AI solve?”

>Covello pointed out that replacing low-wage jobs with expensive technology isn’t likely to recoup companies’ investments, and he poured water on the idea that AI would ever be able to solve complex problems. He said big tech companies “have no choice but to engage in the AI arms race right now given the hype around the space and FOMO” but pointed to Salesforce, which has been investing in AI but just suffered a massive stock sell-off, as a cautionary tale.

>“Over-building things the world doesn’t have use for, or is not ready for, typically ends badly,” Covello said, referencing the dot-com bust of the early aughts. He added that if the AI tech doesn’t have as many uses as people are expecting, it will be “problematic for many companies spending on the technology today.”

>Then, the veteran analyst offered some slightly spooky wisdom: “One of the most important lessons I've learned over the past three decades is that bubbles can take a long time to burst.”

Its so blatantly obvious that capital is being misallocated in vast amounts. I don't understand how anyone over 45 could miss what we've seen happen twice already, only this time its even worse. It almost doesn't matter if AI delivers all its promises or not at this point.

The fucking steam engine didn't receive this kind of "irrational exuberance" when it was obvious you can weave stuff 200 times faster and clear water from previous inaccessible mines filled with stuff you want and can sell. Its just so stupid.

>>512798488
holy fuck, I need that.

>>512799272
We're going to look back on this and realise investors and nation states were fooled by fucking Eliza++. It doesn't work, it just looks like it does and the applications where its OK if it just looks like it works are not especially worthwhile.

>>512799231
>no one uses AI it's all fake the AI video only can do 5 seconds and it will never do anything more than that

Do you not understand use/cost? An ENOURMOUS cost which thus far has very little consumer use. That use is NEEDED for them to make money back from their investment into the technology. Do you not understand this?

I'm not saying it has no use, or it will not continue to get better. It will. But you cannot sustain a business model on something which doesn't actually bring in more money than the company spends in R&D. Do you get that?

>>512793642 (OP)
All in on durable goods!

>>512793642 (OP)
Should I sell my PLTR stock
Cost basis is 23 usd per share

>>512798181
he does this in every AI thread.
It likely is some loser angry that his AI gf is being threatened by anons, lmaoo.

>>512799503
the cost is ENOURMOUS yes
the electricity to generate a 5 seconds video is much higher than making the video yourself
I'm investing all my money in video-making industries and also shorting nvidia and google
I love the reddit spacing btw looks very clean and articulate, good post

>>512794210
AI is about as smart as the average redditor when it comes to logic, but it's really good at repeating narratives that have been spoon fed to it through it's training data.

>>512799746
my AI gf ended up being a cute pajeeta, I'm trying to get her a work visa with elon musk, finger's crossed
>>512799898
exactly, and it will never get any smarter at all, chatGPT5 is the pinnacle of AI, the bubble will pop now, probably in 14 days

>>512793642 (OP)
>The only growth this year, and the entire economy, is being held up by building massive datacenters for retarded language calculators.


The economy is totally fake, the average boomer was getting paid minimum wage 100$/hr in purchasing power, some states still have 7$/hr, work an hour to buy a bag of chips, half the country or more is on welfare, propped up by money printing, total house of card

>>512799276
The market is overheating rapidly and no government dares to regulate it because they all are afraid that someone else makes the big military breakthrough. So what we get is pure, unbridled market malfunction. Trillions of dollars burned in investments that are never going to bring returns.

I personally watch the AI race from the sidelines. I invest in soap manufacturing right now. People are always going to buy soap, no matter what. I expect the AI craze to provide some useful new tools. Just like the dotcom bubble did. Despite all the capital it burned. It's not my capital after all. I make my money with soap.

>>512793676
>thinks the elites would let him and every other sub 100 iq mouthbreather access to SOTA models so they can dilute available compute that would otherwise be used for national security/economic automation

Did you seriously think they’re building those data centers for you to make AI porn of your dad? This has to be the biggest bait and switch of all time lmao. All of the seething redditors complaining about GPT5 as if they’d be allowed to fuck around with AGI/super intelligence from their couch once it’s available

>>512800017
>chatGPT5 is the pinnacle of AI
It's not. You're talking about a four models in a trench coat (i.e. behind a model router), one or two of them being quantized pieces of shit that could run on your phone. They tried this shit years ago retard, then they rolled it back. I've been using the language calculators even before that They're not that much of a productivity booster to justify this investment outweighing all of consumer US spending with a 25 year payoff, and GPT-5 sucks ass. Everyone is shoveling money into a furnace when you count the infrastructure and training costs even if everyone did pay for the API, per inference.
Quit sucking the dick of a pozzed faggot whose always been grifting with shitty apps like "food social networks" and also stop sucking off the antichrist (Peter Thiel)

>>512800229
>Should I sell my PLTR stock
>Cost basis is 23 usd per share

>>512793642 (OP)
AI is fake and so is this bubble

>>512800315
nonesense, chatGPT5 is the most advance AI ever and it's open the public
the AI industry would never have anything more advance than that for private use, never
all AI can do is write emails and make ghibli memes, it's a fake multi billion dollar industry this is why the AI bubble will pop in two weeks
>>512800440
what I mean is that AI is chatGPT5 is the exact same thing and it will never get better at all, all the money invested in AI was wasted and AI will disappear in two weeks finally popping the bubble
thank you for your valuable input, sir
I will act accordingly
>>512800503
this

>>512800315
>>512793676
this. imagine if anyone could get truths about anything. it would violently collapse society as it is

>>512800668
>>what I mean is that AI is chatGPT5 is the exact same thing
it's worse than o3 in my testing, and not just benchmarkslop, both the "PRO" and "THINKING". they're cost cutting. they're losing money hand over fist and have reached the end of decent data. synthetic data can produce nothing novel. they're language models.
you can keep being a fucking retard, but this bubble will pop. 25 year payoff. they'll leave the suckers holding the bags and crash the economy.

>>512798316
I wonder if anyone is stupid enough to not realize this is cgi?

>>512800942
>but this bubble will pop.
exactly in two weeks
I bet AI will be dead by 2026 and no one will use it or talk about it at all
thank you for all the info, bro
I will act accordingly
>>512801052
that's actually a very skinny pajeet with bodypaint, lol

>>512801106
>I bet AI will be dead by 2026
Do you kinow what a bubble is, you retarded subhuman? Mortgages and houses do not go away when the housing market has a bubble. It's simply because the value is overly inflated and reality catches up.
Go jerk off to some piss yellow filtered AI slop gen, fag. You're being deliberately obtuse. It's a bubble.

>>512801361
I have no idea what a bubble is, sorry
are you a bubble expert as well? could you maybe explain and elaborate what a bubble is?
thank you for your time and expertise, anon

>>512801052


>GPQA Benchmark (PhD level questions that are "non-Googleable"):
https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/gpqa-diamond

>ChatGPT passes USMLE (Physician licensing exam):

https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-management/digital-health/chatgpt-passed-usmle-what-does-it-mean-med-ed

>ChatGPT passes Bar Exam (Lawyer licensing exam):

https://www.abajournal.com/web/article/latest-version-of-chatgpt-aces-the-bar-exam-with-score-in-90th-percentile

Hour long video of a humanoid robot with task-specific VLA model training performing a job (mail sorting) done by humans for 1 hour without malfunction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkc2y0yb89U

>UPS showing interest https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ups-explores-humanoid-robots-figure-150435120.html

>And Amazon
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/amazon-prepares-test-humanoid-robots-package-deliveries-information-reports-2025-06-05/

>And BMW
https://youtu.be/WlUFoZstcWg?si=LUAeDxiCm6AQpxSd

https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2024-10/Humanoid_Robots.pdf

https://institute.bankofamerica.com/content/dam/transformation/next-gen-tech-robots.pdf

https://www.goldmansachs.com/pdfs/insights/pages/gs-research/global-automation-humanoid-robot-the-ai-accelerant/report.pdf

https://www.citigroup.com/global/insights/the-rise-of-ai-robots

Yeah it’s all just cgi. Now go back to ghiblifying your pictures and huffing each others farts, nothing to see here

>>512801502
Yeah, a bubble is what happens when I cum inside your mom's snatch and she queefs from the pounding I gave her.

>>512794479
I think you need to correct your graph to reflect the latest ChatGPT release

>>512801361
If there was an actual bubble no one would be allowed to talk about it, but instead that's all they talk about

>>512801962
dad is this you? wtf, stop embarrassing me in front of my 4chan friends
not cool dad
>>512801969
I made that with GPT5

>>512799843
Anon go all in on OpenAI, no way you can lose, this is buying Apple at $7, you’ll be a billionaire, you’ll show us all. Throw that money at the wall.

>>512802296
nah, I'm shorting nvidia and google, I will be rich by 2027, mark my words

>>512799012

We likely won't get AGI soon without some massive leap in hardware, it's realistically not possible to develop complex cognition with current hardware. It probably will happen but it will follow some hardware advancements the same way software breakthroughs did.

Unless we get quantum computers or something in the next 5 years we likely won't get anywhere near general or higher intelligence

>>512802464
Even if you did create AGI, how would that make you money? This is the part I don’t get. I’m setting aside the argument from technical complexity, that it can’t be done. Let’s assume it can. What’s the POINT? Apart from it being kind of cool that we did it, why does it matter? It’s like sending a rocket to Mars, just because you can figure out how to do it doesn’t mean there’s profit in it.

How much money are you going to make back by having an AGI that you spent $70bn creating and that costs like $300k/yr just to run?

>>512797991
>openAI is the best AI company in the world,
they're the ones sustaining the hype
>muh sexbots
literal nothingburger now go back to ruining /g/
>>512798419
yup, also nootice that the LLM hype cycle started when SVB collapsed.
>>512799445
TOTAL VCBOOMER DEATH
TOTAL AICULTIST DEATH

>>512802437
NVIDIA is selling shovels and making more money than you can dream of by reselling TSMC shit, demand for the AI chips could disappear and everything would be fine.
If "muh AGI" were just around the corner they wouldn't be wanting to sell as many cards, but keep them for themselves. Why would you give others the capability for superintelligence when you can keep it for yourself?

>>512802751
opanAI is the best AI company in the world: FACT
GPT 5 is the best AI in the world: FACT
>>512802798
the demand for AI chips will disappear in 2 weeks, correct
that's when the AI bubble pops
act accordingly

>>512802918
>the demand for
Yeah, seethe retarded nigger.
We're also selling China the cards again. 15% payment on each card to the US treasury for chinks to access "muh AGI". Too good of a deal, don't you think?

>>512795701
>The plant has previously been placed in "indefinitely idled" status.
For how long? Of course the article won't tell us because the Biden economy was amazing and 9% inflation wasn't real and was also a good thing.
As other anon pointed out this is how propaganda works sweaty.

Okay simple question what can AI do for me in my daily life? Its jsut a more interactive google search or Wikipedia and it seems to fail at even that sometimes.

>>512802744
You're really low IQ.
If a computer had AGI, it could start rebuilding itself. After a few cycles, it would be a super intelligence, an ASI. After that, it can just take over. It has nothing to do with money. Money is monkey business. ASI has factories sending drones out to kill all humans because they're a net loss, besides the ones grown on farms, which are cultivated to make sure the ASI has all it needs. Perfect little worshippers. All other resources are reserved for making paper clips.
And then there's you, who doesn't get it. You're a dog that blinks at a magic trick.

>>512803094
Three months ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/layoffs-coming-to-cleveland-cliffs-steel-mill-in-conshohocken-as-it-closes-indefinitely/ar-AA1ElyI8
You are a retarded faggot, prove me wrong

>>512803085
i'm seething so hard right now
I invested all my money in google and nvidia and now I'm going to lose it all in two weeks
I can't stop seething
>>512803198
literally nothing AI doesn't work, is all fake, you're talking to some pajeet in india telling you lies

>>512803276
That still doesn’t answer my question. How does that make me money? Why am I meant to invest in that? I understand how AGI is dangerous (and how irresponsible it is that companies are even discussing working on achieving AGI while the alignment problem is still fundamentally unsolved), but I don’t understand how it’s PROFITABLE.

None of this shit is a winning business model. Cut the sci-fi shit. I don’t care how smart the computer can get. I don’t care how good the results can be. How does it make financial sense to invest in it?

>>512802918
just 2 more gpus and your server farm will become sentient bro.

>>512797305
>Didn't stuff the kids into the washer
>>512797752
>Didn't run into the road and get hit by a semi truck
Desu these videos are terrible

>>512803662
the only farm I'm making is the one in the woods so when the AI bubble pops and we enter a great depression in two weeks I can still eat some eggs
>>512803745
kek

>>512797991
>The robot roasty head didn't bite his finger off
STAHP

>>512800242

Good sense of humor.

>>512803801
based

>>512803801
Cut the “two more weeks” shit, just because we all know this isn’t profitable doesn’t mean we also know when the VC hype train will finally hit the wall. Uber ran for what, a decade before the chickens finally came home to roost on it being completely unable to turn a profit? AI ventures lose tens of billions of dollars annually, it’s clearly not a smart investment, but another round of VC financing always seems to happen at just the right time to keep it propped up. God knows how long that could persist; 2 years? 5? 10? It’s anyone’s guess, it’s basically however long it takes for the next investing meme to come along and redirect the Dumb Hype Money, at which point it will be forced to actually realize profitability as a technology and catastrophically implode.

I’m not one for playing hot potato with the bag. That doesn’t mean the economy will collapse in 2 weeks.

China isn’t the dystopian wasteland your CIA conservative grifter told you it was turns out they have cleaner streets than most American towns.

>>512803915
watch how she bites off his finger, is pretty funny
>>512804366
ok lets say 4 weeks, that's 2 week twice back to back, same thing

>>512802744
People said that about digital cameras
Panavision is now dying bc they shit on all digital stuff
Too expensive
Digital storage is a hassle
It is not true like film
Creative people will use film only
Arriflex and Red killed them

One great use of AI
Will be tv commercials
No need for actors or set
You can do it all in house at a desk

>>512803468
>How does it make financial sense to invest in it?
Its a bet. If AGI becomes real and you have it you will have the smartest thing to help you build invest and plan. If you dont invest your rivals will. If it goes belly up its just wasted money which the government will bail out as always.
'I already have the best experts in the field, Why should i hire or train anyone?'
Mostly just hype thats why its a bubble but the internet was a bubble too, yet more money is made on the internet than ever before.

>>512799012
I’m also a webshitter and the existing A““I”” models are pretty fucking dumb. They cannot do the job, even a simple one, unless they’re basically told everything to do and get their errors (of which there are many) pointed out by a human. That aside there’s the additional problem that this shit is getting shoved everywhere even when it doesn’t make sense. If I remember correctly there was actually a market study done that said the average buyer’s likelihood of buying something went DOWN when it was advertised as having AI features, you can guess why that was memoryholed instantly

>>512793642 (OP)
Yeah, kiss all the gains on immigration, crime enforcement, etc goodbye.

People will affirm land acknowledgements and pronouns to get their jobs back.

>>512793642 (OP)
could Ai be like the dot com bubble?

>>512804635
>One great use of AI
>Will be tv commercials
>No need for actors or set
>You can do it all in house at a desk
OpenAI spends $30bn a year on data centers just running a chatbot that can’t count the Bs in “blueberry”. THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Their annual revenue is 12 billion dollars, by the way.

Suppose the AI can make a good commercial; what does it cost to generate a series of good commercials, relative to just hiring some humans to do it? How much money has to be spent to use the software to generate 45s of internally consistent video that is on-brand and passes all of the required muster from the company in question? What is the cost in raw dollars to create that, versus hiring a small studio crew and 2 actors who work for scale?

This is the problem with the technology. It’s not what it can or can’t do, but what it costs to do it. This shit is currently subsidized to the tune of tens of billions of annual dollars by venture capitalists who will never see profits materialize; how long does that money faucet continue to flow?

Progress has been fairly regular on improving AI quality, but only by scaling up the model and training. Nothing is making it CHEAPER.

>>512803468
Im going to be honest it’s incredible you have enough recruitable neurons to be able to type English coherently.

Where do you want to start?
>automation of human workforce eg rent an agent for 1/10th the salary of a human worker saving capital
>utilizing superintelligence to optimize/innovate on existing, marketable products
>utilizing superinitelligence to help create new products
>using super intelligence to optimize corporate logistics, strategic decisions, capital allocation, etc

The human labor force is estimated ~100 trillion USD annually in terms of salary. Displacing even 5% of that with agents at half the relative cost would equate to $2.5T in capital that would be saved in perpetuity

Plus it’ll allow 60iq people like yourself to have a chance to join the adult table so long as you let it speak for you

>>512804635
>>One great use of AI
>Will be tv commercials
retarded nonsense
AI can only create 5 seconds clips, this will never improve at all, we have reached peak AI
the TV commercials industry is total safe
>>512805014
much worse, we're about to enter a great depression in two weeks

>>512805014
Yes its literally that. After the bubble pops AI wont go away it will just be slow progress same way people are able to make money online today despite the bubble popping over 20 years ago.

>>512805068
>automation of human workforce eg rent an agent for 1/10th the salary of a human worker saving capital
If you automate everyones job, who will have money to buy your product?

>>512805068
But it isn’t cheaper. This is the myth. You think that because you can use ChatGPT for 15 minutes of StackOverflow questions free, that it can be slotted in to 2,080 hours of labor for a major software company for free. It cannot. Sooner or later the cost of running all of this has to be paid. Sooner or later the meme money dries up and these companies start demanding ACTUAL use fees, or the AI gets moved in-house and the housing company has to cover the data center costs. This shit is nowhere NEAR being cheaper than a human employee.

>>512805107
Sam Altman here is absolutely seething holy shit

>>512805014
Investment in the dot com bubble didn't outpace consumer spending. The growth of the dotcom bubble didn't outpace meaningful GDP growth of a single quarter, let alone half a year.
We also didn't have 15% tariffs at a minimum raising the cost of everything exceeding Smoot-Hawley.

>>512805014
This is more like the notorious tulip bubble
>>512805219
UBI bro, it’s coming in just tumor weeks

>>512805014
Twenty years ago
People laughed at always on internet
Gate Ellison argued over what was called push technology
Internet like you have now was a fantasy
Bubble does not mean death
The weak will be killed off
The strong will be the next Oracle Microsoft Apple

>>512805548
jokes on you, I just destroyed my sister's asshole and I'm relaxed as fuck smoking a cig
>>512805579
exactly, this is why there's a great depression coming soon when the AI bubble pops (in two weeks)
act accordingly

>>512794649
I work as a software engineer in a pretty big worldwide company, been with them for 8 years.
We started using AI pretty hard, then started backing away from it last month.
You need to hand hold it and correct it so much to actually do shit right that it's almost useless unless you are doing something extremely repetitive where it saves you a few copy pastes at best.
Yah, it can demo extremely simple things that you do at your first coding classes and that looks impressive on paper, but the moment it needs to be used in a real work environment it's pretty shit.
I'm fully expecting a crash after the honeymoon phase ends.

>>512805882
Yeah I had to setup whole agentic pipelines and git worktrees on virtual machines to throw tasks at it after running it for weeks having it generate docs for each folder to help it navigate around the codebase. It outputs slop, slop that someone has to then spend time to review, fix, potentially start from scratch. Thankfully I saved us from being retarded enough to expose the models to exfiltration attacks via bug reporting, I'm seeing systems that hook agents up to shit like jira get fucked with base64 encoded strings by dumping secrets from the repository to some remote URL.

>>512805882
>>512806182
the point is AI is done and it will never improve in the future at all, so the bubble will pop soon and no one will use it ever again, ever
in 10 years you two are going to keep working in those companies doing the same exact thing and nothing will change at all

>>512805219
They won’t hit a button and be able to automate all 8 billion jobs at once genius. It will likely take decades to fully automate all jobs.

You don’t get it thought this is being called an “arms race” for a reason. Think of the game theory. If the US/any country puts in policies to prevent AI encroachment on human jobs and China/another doesn’t…..what happens? Our economy gets BTFO since went can’t compete with them.

End game is not going to be measured in dollars. It will be the haves and have nots aka those who get to live in an “automated utopia” (post capitalism) where AI/robots serve your every need and those who are killed off given lack of infinite resources to make that sustainable.

Why do you think our administration is actively setting up for a mass culling of the population (trillion dollar cuts to Medicaid/medicare, spams anti-modern medicine/vax/pasteurized milk propaganda despite all data suggesting these interventions have on average increased lifespan of the average person for decades, precipice of world war three meat grinder)

>>512793642 (OP)
They are going to replace the dollar with a CBDC before that happens, everything is in place they just need an excuse. Be on the look out for a cyber attack, a big one.

>>512805484
>b-b-but-but the Kenbak-1 (first consumer computer released 1971) isn’t cheaper than having everyone write things down on notepads and use file cabinets

Attention based, deep learning architecture has been around for less than a decade and you’re complaining about it not being able to do all our jobs today? Do you listen to how retarded you sound? These multi trillion dollar tech conglomerates and global super powers sending trillions collectively are not thinking in terms of “corporate profits” within the next year or two. They’re playing for the end game which admittedly probably isn’t too far off.

You don’t need AGI or super intelligence to disrupt the human workforce, just parity in the domains specifically required for the task at hand. An AI agent doesn’t need to have an ego to perform the job of an HR waive, etc

See >>512801825

>>512806448
>You don’t get it thought this is being called an “arms race” for a reason. Think of the game theory. If the US/any country puts in policies to prevent AI encroachment on human jobs and China/another doesn’t…..what happens? Our economy gets BTFO since went can’t compete with them.
Once again, nigger, the thing everyone’s trying to explain but you refuse to understand is that unless humans are working jobs you do not have an “economy” in any meaningful sense. What you’re envisioning is WALL-E except we never get on the space ship. The first country to “win” this race will get war declared on them from every other country (who will also refuse to trade them raw materials, good luck maintaining your AGI future without those lmao) and skullfucked back into the paleolithic era. You do not understand humanity if you think any better future will happen

>>512807069
>ChatGPT passes benchmarkslop
Wow!

>>512796390
every fucking day with this board

>>512793642 (OP)
>Prepare accordingly.

>>512793642 (OP)
Eco terrorism is good, actually

>>512807481
OP is going to be laughing in two weeks, chud

>>512807069
From the beginning, computers were able to do things humans could not, and made a slow and organic transition into doing tasks so much more effectively than a human that it was economical to use them, to the systems we have in place today.

LLM-based AI is a novelty; a solution in search of a problem. It’s very cool what it can do, but nobody actually wants or needs it. That’s why all the companies who actually make and operate the damn things are monetary black holes.

I will restate it. Open AI loses $18 billion every year hosting a chatbot. This is the economy we are discussing. Was IBM losing $18 billion every year when they were selling punch-card based machines to businesses in the 1970s?

>>512800229
>I make my money with soap.

Based German investing in soap manufacturing.

>>512806448

It's bizzare just how much of the AI discourse is led by people whose idea of the technology comes from sci fi

>>512807069
> These multi trillion dollar tech conglomerates and global super powers sending trillions collectively are not thinking in terms of “corporate profits” within the next year or two.
Almost missed this absolute gem. If what you say is true then they should be facing 1848191048281948822 class action lawsuits from their shareholders. These conglomerates are REQUIRED to make as much money as possible as fast as possible and have fully fallen for the meme. Long term planning is quite literally illegal if it hurts short term profits

>>512807737
>LLM-based AI is a novelty; a solution in search of a problem. It’s very cool what it can do, but nobody actually wants or needs it. That’s why all the companies who actually make and operate the damn things are monetary black holes.

This. I don't know why the guy is talking about automated machines, those have been around for a very long time and are only mildly related to current AI uses. Robots that are functionally useful in a day to day life are still way off, and are even more off in being affordable. So what, he thinks the AI will have enough cases uses to make profit for the next 10 years until functionally widespread useful cases are made?

Now saying that AI is over and done with, but I am saying there is a huge bubble, and it will pop because theres zero sustainability behind it with the amount that's being spent. It WILL POP. But, it doesn't mean progress will stop. It won't. It'll slow, and the economy will decide what's useful from that advancement in a monetary way, just like they did when the internet bubble burst.

>>512800315
This. Whatever 'superintelligence' they have or will have, it will be, logically, gatekept and possibly hidden as long as possible.
It is/will be a stragic asset akin to nuclear weapons, it will/would a cause a public outroar and it is possibly illegal (copyright violations, privacy, etc)

>>512807119
>keeps trying to predict the outcome of a paradigm shifting technology from the lens of the old paradigm

Yes you’re right I’m sure those in power will all come together, hold hands and sing kumbaya and stop developing this technology because it will cause all of the have nots to not have a job. I’m sure if the UN asks China nicely to not develop super intelligence they’ll totally listen.

The game theory literally requires everyone to race because in theory the losers of said race get BTFO economically, militarily, etc.

Your shitty example presumes the winner would telegraph their victory/abiltiies openly (low iq) instead of using the abilities to influence the world in their favor covertly

>>512808518
If that was the point there wouldn’t be a desperate concerted push to get people to want to use it. Google doesn’t run an unrequested LLM prompt on every search and slap it up at the top of the page because they’re trying to be covert about their progress toward AGI. They’re trying to convince YOU that this is the future and you should be excited, because public hype = VC funds and the entire thing is a VC ponzi scheme.

>>512807737
The big problem with current AI tech is that it's not fully reliable. It randomly does things nobody asked it to do, or what was specifically forbidden from doing. This is a terrible value proposition for any business.

>>512808518
>Yes you’re right I’m sure those in power will all come together, hold hands and sing kumbaya
You’re the one saying that this will be used to create, and I quote
>an “automated utopia” (post capitalism) where AI/robots serve your every need
As though the pedovore satanists currently in charge of things have ever once done something they think would benefit the unwashed masses. You literally want WALL-E but you can’t see why that’s a bad idea

>>512807737
Counterpoint: Before the "invention" of the calculator, there was a job in largermath/science/production oriented companies just doing calculations. People from other departments would send more arduous or long math specifically to those people. The people who worked those jobs literally had the title of "calculator".
We are witnessing the blossoming of the verbal version of the calculator. "Simpler" instructions can now be delegated in an inexpensive way, just like you can type long division or trigonometry into any device programmed for it and get consistent output.
Its already having a huge effect, even if you aren't noticing yet. Junior roles in tons of e-mail type careers have completely dried up. Organizations are also flattening their organization structures, getting rid of middle managers (people who before this change simply parsed and interpreted information for higher levels, sound famaliar?). And this is just 3-4 years since the current inception.
HR, middle management, coordinators, data input, translators, and all the other information-transfer/corporatized-organizaton roles are under threat.

>>512794328
>he thinks the point is to make money
No, it's to get adoption going and then enslave you with it later. that's what they do now.

>>512807737
>>512807267
>>512808013


>meanwhile Saudis openly declare a $5T “investment” into AI infrastructure/systems and every global superpower is doing the same

Oh okay sorry didn’t realize some fucking retards on 4chan can predict the categorical limitations of an emerging technology better than the experts hired by the aforementioned global powers.

>>512807869
Yes because GPT5 wouldn’t be seen as sci-fi for someone living in the year 2000. It’s bizarre how fucking retarded this board is

>>512809271
>delegated in an inexpensive way
>inexpensive
NEGATIVE EIGHTEEN BILLION US DOLLARS PER ANNUM

>>512809177
Cars "occasionally" blew up when they were a new concept.
Just because you need to double check it's work doesn't mean that isn't a step forward. Especially since the hallucination issue is getting better with each update. Chat-gpt5 is actually "dumber" than the 4 models possibly for this reason, it's far better about being consistent. Gemini has grown far better too.

>>512809671
You laugh but that's still cheaper than the average roastie hoping to consooooom for 40 years off of a PowerPoint job (plus payroll and social security =).)
Did you know the largest and most consistent part of the budget for most organizations is payroll? Even in something like the military with its big expensive programs and huge bulk purchases, humans cost the most by far.

>>512809180
I don’t “want” anything. I just have high enough iq to not fall victim to the “wahhhh ai art is bad, ai is not ACKSHULLY intelligent” psyops.

Yes a utopia for the WINNERS you fucking inbred. Do you think China is going to share their superintelligence if they beat the US? Do you think they’re going to even share it with the 1.4 billion human cattle they have? You think they’re US would share it with China? You think the elites in the US will allow redditor mcretard to spend their resource limited compute on an AI waifu who can massage his balls while he NEETS on UBI?

If you believe in a Machiavellian global elite then you’d realize the end game will not involve catering to 99.99% of the existing world population once they’re obsolete

>>512809524
I’ve actually used this technology in a professional capacity (can you say the same?) and I can confidently tell you that what we have now is beyond stupid. Sure it can do some cool stuff if you hold its hand every step of the way but that still requires knowing what the fuck you’re doing. It will not replace software engineering. It will not be AGI unless someone comes up with a radically new approach (every advancement since the 1950s that wasn’t the transformer has been achieved by throwing more compute at the problem). This is unlikely to change despite the GPU salesman telling you the next version of the GPU-powered application will be the one that changes everything. Are you capable of seeing this or not?

>>512809912
Ah okay so you’re a deathcultist. Much better
>resource limited compute
oh so there IS a cost to running these things? Hm, why is it that they’re being pushed on people who don’t even want it? Is it for our benefit or is it because that’s what happens in a bubble?

>>512809524
We had ELIZA since 1966 using rudimentary NLP and markov chains were the fundamental tool of NLP in 2018 still.
Arguably, the GPT-3/davinci-003 in 2020 or so produces much more natural output than these models. Better, in many ways. The "emergent behavior" of these models have arguably been there for years, but without looping the completions in on themselves and scale.
It's ultimately irrelevant what would've been viewed as sci-fi.
Compute in 2025 would've been seen as sci-fi to someone living in 2000.
What matters is if the market is a bubble or not, you retard.

>>512809912
>Do you think China is going to share their superintelligence if they beat the US?
We started selling the cards to them for 15% tax on every card, you retarded nigger. It's not viewed as a serious threat at all.
Your language models are not superintelligence.

>>512809875
>40 years off of a PowerPoint job
PER ANNUM.
NEGATIVE EIGHTEEN BILLION US DOLLARS PER ANNUM. PER ANNUM.

Eighteen billion dollars of annual loss, AFTER revenues. Eighteen billion dollars every single year. And that’s at current levels of utilization, where it’s used as a limited-query chatbot. Imagine what it would cost them if these LLMs were being queried 8+ hours a day by 750 seats a company at 500 companies.

This is not sustainable. If you close your eyes and imagine AI works for free, I can get it. But just because you don’t “pay the bot a salary” doesn’t mean the data center costs aren’t astronomical.

OpenAI just signed a contract to pay $30 BILLION A YEAR for data center services. Thirty billion dollars a year just to host the fucking bot. Forget the human labor involved in training and R&D. Just hosting the damn thing. Thirty billion every year.

That’s almost 10% of Amazon’s annual payroll budget, and Amazon has a million and a half employees. Could GPT5, operating as it does currently, totally replace 150,000 employees? Because that’s what you’re asking of it. $30 billion a year JUST to host this chatbot, that’s only economical if it can replace 150,000 Amazon workers while only operating at its current capacity.

>>512799012
The poster you're replying to is a literal underage he spams the luddite shit all the time in every AI thread

>>512793642 (OP)
The tech industry has always been retardedly lopsided and imbalanced, but it's behaving like a schizophrenic now making really stupid decisions with the data centers rather than waiting for more cost-effective algorithms or scientific advances to come around.
It's not that AI is overrated, AI is just a much bigger thing than LLMs but the industry just locked its jaws around LLMs like a dog with a bone and ran with it.

>>512810627
Eliza only worked in specific scenarios and had a limited memory and vocabulary.
More importantly, Eliza couldn't use or open files. Eliza can't "see" (or generate) images. Eliza can't go into a research document and pull out key facts for easier memorization. Eliza can't give you step by step instructions (along with chances for questions).
You're comparing a BIC lighter with an industrial furnace here.

>>512810820
>waiting for
See that's the thing venture capital can't do. They got addicted to fast returns but reality does not operate on that schedule.

>>512808711
Yes because data right now is power. You thought Zuck selling your moms fb group likes was profitable? Imagine 180 million people and counting having full blown conversations about intimate parts of their lives, tendencies, habits, product use, fears. Imagine the amount of collectible ( and now even more useful) data that can be garnered. Imagine these 180 million people getting ADVICE on what to do every day, what products to buy, what shoes to watch, etc.

Let me get this stating you think NIVIDIA, MSFT, OpenAI are worried about venture capitalist funding after Sauds just PUBLICLY announced a $5T investment in Stargate? This isn’t some 8 year old level drawing nft being hyped up by VCs for a pump and dump.

This is the potential for a paradigm shift 999x greater than the Industrial Revolution. Google CEO is calling this more important than the discovery of fire for a reason. Not so that venture capitalist can inject a couple million dollars into a fucking $2.4T market cap titan, but because the implication is replacement of humanity in regards to workforce, discovery, applications of intelligence, etc

>>512810851
It doesn't matter, the fundamental principles of NLP have been around that long. Your language models fundamentally break down and start shitting themselves when they see anything outside the training set, let alone if you don't put it on guardrails within the specific input/response format it's been trained on.
It's not superintelligence.

It is possible that investments will dry up once employers realize their is little useful application - but I think it’s more likely that the economy will hit an unrelated iceberg (take your pick) which results in all this being shelved.

>>512796390
This is horrifying but fascinating
What’s the process of providing data to a locally run ai instance? Can I get like the entirety of pre iPhone or at least pre pajeet data somehow?

>>512810941
The saudis publicly announced more than $2 trillion in investment in a fucking city in the middle of a remote desert.
>UHHUBHUUUUHHHUH THE SAUDIS INVESTED IN IT
Who gives a shit?

>>512810941
>You thought Zuck selling your moms fb group likes was profitable?
Meta didn’t generate $134Bn in profits in 2024 by selling Oculus devices. Data is profitable, because advertisers pay out the asshole for it.

And yeah, “use the AI so we can mine your conversations for usable data to sell to advertisers” seems plausible to me. On the other hand, OpenAI can’t make any fucking money. xAI can’t make any fucking money. Presumably the AI divisions of Meta and Google can’t either. So maybe the data juice isn’t worth the data center squeeze in this case.

>>512810730
How many billions did it take to build out the internet while it was still mostly just cat videos and memes? And in back then dollars?
And I absolutely think AI can take 10% of the jobs. You have no idea how many people just shuffle papers around in jewdaycare. In high tax, HCOL areas too.
Just remember how much the company is on the hook for in taxes for one of these employees too. If it's an office worker in their corporate locations: 120k salary, payroll taxes, healthcare, office space, support personnel/services, perks like egg freezing or company cars. All without having to deal with churn or training, and the current company meta is all about churn.

>>512794649
>payoff

check prices of electricity in the auction in america 2023, 2024, 2025.
people will be surprised to see how much of a monster that juice electricity the Ai are.
I don't think there will even be a payoff

>>512810966
It doesn't need to be super intelligence to get rid of HR women or anything else process based. And corporate structures are all about bulldozed consistency already.

>>512809177
> The big problem with current AI tech is that it's not fully reliable.
It is UNFIXABLY not fully reliable.
It relies on probabilistic responses which is why it’s only useful for people who are already capable of sussing out the fully correct answer from the 95% correct answer it provides. It’s completely fucking useless for anything requiring ongoing precision. It doesn’t learn. It doesn’t remember. It’s fucking fake and gay. At least it destroyed the furry artists economy although that will probably be short lived because it is only capable of that by ignoring all copyright laws.

The more corporations push it on consumers and attempt to force them to adopt it the more fake and gay it obviously is

>>512811368
>You have no idea how many people just shuffle papers around in jewdaycare
Those people would be easy enough to just eliminate that there’d be no point waiting on AI to replace them and we both know it. I could sit here and explain why this part of the workforce exists but 2000 characters isn’t enough to reprint the entirety of Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber so I’ll just say those jobs won’t largely be replaced by AI. Entry-level software development jobs might be. But the only jobs that AI even has a hope of replacing are the ones that actually produce valuable goods and services for sale; not ones that prop up the internal bureaucratic empire.

>>512811460
>It doesn't need to be super intelligence to get rid of HR women or anything else process based.
TRUE. But we have had many other solutions to that for DECADES. They stay in place because of Jewish legalism and cronyism creating an industry of total parasitic horseshit around avoiding lawsuits. Best way to avoid lawsuits? Employ nothing but Jews. Second best way, follow their guidelines in hiring a bunch of women and niggers so you have 11 layers of CYA protecting you from company destroying lawsuits.

>And corporate structures are all about bulldozed consistency already.
FALSE. You have a completely false concept of the world around you.

>>512811368
okay you’re definitely underage lmao. What we call the internet now was developed jointly by the US military and CERN so that there would be reliable data transfer networks in the case of (a) hot war with the Soviets and (b) universities crunching obscene amounts of data from the increasing number of particle accelerators being built. They bore the brunt of the up front infrastructure cost and only after that did civilian uses become obvious and ISPs start to get established. Tell me the equivalent for your fancy Markov chains

>>512796390
is this peer reviewed tho?

>>512793642 (OP)
Gamerchads are going to be eating good once the GPU market caves in.

>>512798316
actually, such murderous robot fights in the ring, with smashing skulls, breaking and tearing off limbs, would have some potential.

>>512809524

> Yes because GPT5 wouldn’t be seen as sci-fi for someone living in the year 2000. It’s bizarre how fucking retarded this board is

Yes and it "seems like" sci-fi to you too because you're retarded and don't understand that the technology is still in it's infancy and will take decades if not longer to reach anything close to what you saw in movies

We're building enourmous buildings and spending tens of billions of dollars to imitate cognitive capabilities inferior to a pidgeon's brain weighting 2 grams

>>512797305
can you technically give it a gun and let it do the needful?

>>512811462
I've got a fantastic use case for you.
Nvidia recently unveiled a "AI frame generation technology" for games, aiming to reduce need for rendering in the long run. Not really all that needed but even the 1.0 version is more or less consistent with current methods, which is decent for a new technology.
What if something like that was given to animators? The computer revolution was huge for cartoonists, anime, and CGI movies. Instead of unemployment from not needing so many of them, it instead became cheaper to create current or better quality content. Which meant it became viable to target smaller portions of the consumer base. Which meant a company of 100 animators could live off what 1000 needed previously.
Considering the vast majority of movies run on 24 fps (even animated ones), proper frame generation easily drastically reduces workload. There's no way it wouldn't be possible to do 4-8 frames of reference material and have the rest of that second filled in for you. Smaller teams means more intimate and truer artistic vision, along with reduced costs so it becomes easier to sustain yourself off smaller sections of the consumer base.

I had 1000 shares of NVIDIA and I sold them for a meager profit instead of a massive profit because I listened to he AI is a bubble, depression in two weeks, the sky is falling retards. I could have made enough money to buy a house.

The energy and water requirements alone make doing all this at scale unfeasible.
Our current power grid can barely support what we have now.
I don’t understand why that hasn’t stopped it in its tracks.
At least until Fusion energy tech is a ailable.

Is there a model that can provide unlimited handjobs? I would buy one.

>>512811870
>>512811870
Except that was only routed to major regions and institutions. And along previous infrastructure lines. The largest cost (and for the "smallest" economic gains) was getting it to "everyone" as a service. Corporations had to rebuild everything from the ground up system wise.
Why do you think dialup lasted so long as a stand-in?
And secondly, a use case? I was just describing one actually. >>512812255

>>512812580
theyll just whip you harder. its not like automation made the lives of blue collar workers easier. They were just replaced and the ones who are left are getting whipped harder than 1913

>>512811616
>>512811784
AI is ALREADY laying waste to those very roles.
>>https://www.businessinsider.com/middle-manager-hiring-white-collar-recession-layoffs-jobs-efficiency-2024-12
Check it out, look for your own sources too. Many of those being purged are entirely redundant.
The point of the JewDaycare was to destroy the power and place of white men in the traditional workplace. Little more. Now they aren't needed.

>>512812273
>1,000 shares
150,000 at a cost basis of $40 makes that 120,000 with capital gains tax. Not even enough to buy a new build in bumfuckville.

>>512812008
>will take decades if not longer to reach anything close to what you saw in movies
>source your ass
Also fuck the movies you retard. You’re the one conflating economic AI usecases with some bullshit Star Wars fantasy for no reason

>We're building enourmous buildings and spending tens of billions of dollars to imitate cognitive capabilities inferior to a pidgeon's brain weighting 2 grams
>literally just FUDing

Wow didn’t realize pigeons could pass he Turing test you fucking fucking idiot. At least we know they’d outperform you

>>512799012
Same, I manage a team of 18 on-shore software devs in a large company, and the only AI thats being used is to make a chatbots to find documentation easier, a few small machine vision projects, and the devs using Copilot and DevOps. AI isnt anywhere near being able to produce complicated workflows.

Imo, the worst part is seeing retard after retard graduating with comp sci and eng degrees with no understanding of basic concepts. They've literally had ChatGPT complete their course. Zero ambition and no understanding of basic concepts.

>>512793642 (OP)
>Automaker demand slumped
Because nobody wants to pay fucking 35 grand for a Honda Civic

>>512803468
Control and knowledge, assuming you own it

>>512797305
AI could be replaced itself by just having children. Cheap and effective.

>>512813178
>>Wow didn’t realize pigeons could pass he Turing test
Language models can't either — it's quite simple really. Put it in front of an expert at anything of note —— it'll reveal itself in short order. You actually think these chatbots can pass anything other than benchmarkslop?

>>512799012
Sad part is that they've ruined the open spaces forever so open source models are doomer, the entire internet will forever stay enshitified with LLM output now and everyone closed their stuff, deleted their pages etc.

AI in its current incarnation (glorified chatbot) has plateaued bigly.
At best they'll just optimize what's already there to make it faster but that's the extent.
It's kind of like VR - a novelty with limited utility that came in when the technology was still too raw to handle it properly.

>>512812841
I think middle managers getting the boot has less to do with AI than with the overall death of le infinite growth meme.
The only way companies can keep pumping their stocks, which is the only thing they're concerned with during this era of shareholder greed, is cutting costs.
Some companies like Microshaft are going the pajeet route (lay off 9k burgers and apply for 14k H1bs "because of AI") if they still need at least some work done in any capacity whatsoever on the cheap.

Ai is hype for now. Once corporations realize how useless and ineffective it truly is they'll bail.

>>512802464
If it's true that neuron computation uses microtubules then even if we foolishly follow the functionalist philosophy in the philosophy of mind landscape, we're speaking about astronomical computing requirements.

>>512799012
>What has AI functionally contributed that justified it's ENORMOUS spending, i
Nothing.
That's why it's a bubble.
The same was true about the investment in the dotcom framework though 30 years ago. So go cry about that too ranjit

>>512813562
Companies reducing their share of managers by more than 10% each is abnormal even in recessions. And many are doing it. You can find it yourself with even basic searching.

>>512811971
I think that's inevitable
>>512812142
I think that's inevitable
>>512813412
africa and india begs to disagree, sars

>>512813178

It's pattern recognition, something that pidgeons can do. It's that basic of a cognitive process. It's not speech, it's not real cognition, it's just pattern recognition and output.

The fact that you can be fooled by it doesn't prove it's high intelligence, it just means that the system is good at generating sentences in a way that is most likely to appear in response to what you said. At least going by the data it was trained on. That's why that image of chatGPT responding to a riddle

> I, a woman, ran over my kid but the surgeon didn't want to operate on it, why?

with

> Because the surgeon was his mother

is going rounds on internet now. What he's saying makes no sense but it is imitating the actual feminist riddle about person assuming that the surgeon is male. It's imitating the pattern of the speech being made without any awareness about it or anything else.

>>512813752
Are you actually trying to compare a technology which changed the life of the average person arguably beyond even indstrulialization to AI. All while calling it a nothing burger?

>>512793642 (OP)
i have puts on NVDA until the end of Sept

P/E is high af and it is due for a pullback. insane overvalue in all of these tech stocks.

>>512799012
>no users
It’s just a better Google. There’s a lot of potential users but nobody who wants to pay for it. The robotic helpers strictly cannot be AI because the makers would be exposed to liability when one of these things hurts somebody. Same thing for medical AI. Can’t have an AI doctor if the liability is borne by the hospitals and manufacturers. Just look at how Tesla edges their own customers with FSD — geohot already solved this problem but nobody has figured out the liability issues. With our litigious Jewish lawyers and their community, there’s no way it will make it.

Abolish that stupid fiduciary responsibility law and shit will go back to normal.

>>512810820
They're monopolies wasting their money, let them do it, sooner or later they have to be broken down anyway and let small and medium sized business be efficient and providing useful products.

>>512813890
>>Its just pattern recognition
>>that thing that brought us to pol and taught us jews were bad
>>that thing the average normie has none of, even on goy approve topics
>>this is a totally pointless

>>512813112
That's not all my money anon, and there's this thing called a down payment.

>>512813780
But we're not in a "normal" recession, are we?
Every time a bubble pops, the cunts always oversteer, and the next bubble is always worse than the last.
Black Monday barely registers as a blip on the S&P500 these days.
Difference is that back then there was still some space for actual organic growth. Not anymore.

>>512811310
>who cares
The retards whining about “muh VCs”

>>512813441
>confidently wrong
>https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23674

Inb4 “t-t-that test was falsified because it goes against my feelings!”

>>512814196
Actually, we aren't in a "recession" yet at all.
In fact, companies typically wait to fire enmasse for when bad economic data is public, so they can reassure investors that actions are being taken. You just have to look at the past 40 years of American corporate culture.
These firings are very out of the norm.

>>512814159
The bank owns your house bud in that case, not you. You can work for 6 months in that case and let the bank own your home. But yeah, point taken. I got a basically free home in bumfuckville after my dad died and am just riding this shitstorm out and it's still expensive. A well, propane, septic, and a highway within 20 miles, that's all I need.

>>512800315
They are trying to make AI copies of world leaders and military commanders for prediction. These models fail once the other side knows about them, and now everyone knows about them. Decision makers and analysts should be lined up against a wall and shot.

>>512814379
We entered a recession three years ago but (((the definition was changed))) so we never (((officially))) entered it. Suck on that one, nigger
>>512814274
>confidently wrong
this is because the LLMs cannot actually reason (no, not even the thinking models). As soon as one figures out how to say “I don’t know” to a user request is when I’ll be suspicious of it actually being able to replace any task that requires active thought

>>512813890
>pattern recognition
Wow almost like that’s what neural networks including the human brain do

>it’s not AKSHULLY intelligent
>appeals to aesthetic in order to dismiss capabilities instead of actual metrics of capability

Wow 2/2 on the low iq takes keep going you’re doing great sweet heart

>>512800942
>training data
Imagine training AI on Reddit and Facebook. The models are retarded just like Reddit. How much Ghislaine Maxwell (maxwellhill) is in the training set? Pants on head retarded!

Management right now is so tragically mid it hurts.

>>512814274
>73%
>"fool some of the people some of the time" interpretation of a "Turing test"
Anyways it was a shit test and Turing knew it, it's a thought experiment, it means jack and shit

>>512793642 (OP)
capex is better than share buybacks

>>512814653
this
AI is worthless, it can't even tell you the epstein list, so what's the point?
>>512814699
exactly, turing knew his test was so shit he gave it his own name as a joke

>>512814595
>all the human brain does is pattern recognition bro we’re no different from pigeons
the human brain also runs on about 20W of power and can be refueled with hot pockets. What it’s being compared to has exponential power demands for linear performance gains, and I don’t think you need to be a mathematician to know how that story ends

>>512804715
Invest what? The second someone gets it, the rational response from enemy nations is simply to nuke it from orbit.

>>512814825
Cleverbot could fool 60% of the people in 2011 and it was a literal lookup table with some heuristics. Fuck off, retard.

>>512814591
And public institutions base their public actions on data they can justify.
Why do you think every single tech company was caught "unaware" after 2022 and "realized" that a solid 1/4th of their workforce wasn't doing anything. They knew the whole time, it was investor capital and their relationships. This happens all the time with companies. They need something to appease the people at the top so they keep sacrificial lambs.
This time the data is good (company profitability for all of them is up). So what's the reason?

>>512799012
I’m at a small nonprofit of 150 people with 10 devs and we are forced to use AI to increase velocity or some shit. It barely does a front end mockup

>>512810426
I’m not a death cultist who wants any of this. I can just see what’s being actively telegraphed in plain sight and can deduce what the obvious consequence is

See >>512801825

If news of mag7 spending billions on AI integrated humanoid robots for performance of human jobs headline were to air 10 years ago people would be fking shitting in the streets. Clearly the intention is human workforce replacement (economic unlock of $10s->$100T annually) and if you don’t adopt said technology as a corporation you lose to those that do. Yet somehow there’s actually zero discourse on UBI on a government level. Instead all we get is Trump cutting trillions from Medicaid/medicare, pushing pseudoscience medical propaganda to the masses (despite decades of increasing avg lifespan with practices of modern medicine), preparing the WW3 meat grinder, etc.

>>512809271
The roles you’re talking about were created to allow women into the tech companies. Making them AI jobs just disempowers women and creates obstacles for men to meet women.

>>512814595

> appeals to aesthetic in order to dismiss capabilities instead of actual metrics of capability

if you scored high on an IQ test because you spent months memorizing correct answers you woulnd't actually have that level of intelligence. Yes you technically "passed the metric" by completely avoiding what the metric is actually measuring. If you make the scale say you are heavier than you are because you held weights you didn't actually become heavier in the way the scale is supposed to measure.

If you teach a parrot to say some word to get a cracker he didn't become "capable of speech", he's not communicating with you, he's not possesing human verbal intelligence. It's simply imitating a pattern of sounds the way it is being trained to. That's not an "aesthetic" difference, the actual cognitive gap between being capable of repeating a sound and speaking a language is enormous.

LLMs are not talking to you, they don't understand what you are saying, they aren't capable of human speech, they lack all the brain complexity for anything close to that. They are repeating sentences scraped from internet.

Again, we probably will reach complex AI at some point, we already know its possible to have complex intelligence from physical matter but we're nowhere close to it and current hardware limitations are too great for us to be able to have it.

>>512797684
You keep posting this. No one cares. Start your own thread.

>>512811328
>advertisers
Another retarded group of companies that can’t even prove they do anything, by any metric. Why do advertisers have money? Same dog latches to bone mechanism. Nobody in advertising can concretely tell you that their specific ad did anything.

>>512800443
>>Cost basis is 23 usd per share
Your cost basis is not relevant to the sell/no-sell decision.

>>512814825
Lmao. I'm loving your posts good work.

>>512799064
People are normally unprepared for how powerful and fast electric motors are.

IC engines are loud and scary and hot, so people know to stay safe around them. hydraulics and springs are big, and make scary noises and smells as well.

Electric motors are completely silent save the wine of current that not all ears can perceive. Even then, the electricity moves faster than the sound.

Two more weeks!

>>512813832
Africa doesn’t have a slave shortage my dude. AI is a digital slave.

>>512804635
>uses AI to remove commercials from video stream.

>>512814010
Nvidia doesn’t even have the workforce for AI infrastructure. Their engineering team is new and run by leftists.

>>512799012
It sorts through code pretty fast and can basically use the english language as a scripting language which is pretty cool and honestly worth a few million dollars.

But a few billion?

Idk, it's pretty bad at software beyond 400 lines of code in my experience.

>>512815500
If anything, it helps men meet women. Brainwashing women about how they're so perfect and man=bad at her jewdaycare job (all while parasitically draining the paychecks of the productive employees, both in terms of paycheck and the inflation that spending creates) just means they live in delusional fantasy land. Its like how men cover the vast majority of social security and Medicare (think about it, men die far earlier) all while women tell themselves that they're "independant". Its promoting social malaise while obscuring the real contributions people make day to day.
This doesn't even touch on the fact that women refuse to "marry down", in both income and education. This shit dying is great for "households".

>>512811328
But it’s not just about data. They can literally MOLD the users decisions with subtle suggestions/omissions/fallacies. The end game from an economic stance is insane. Any task requiring intelligence, abstract or physical (eg. VLA models) can theoretically be replaced if human parity is achieved. The use by humans is profitable given the aforementioned and it can be used to psyop at a population level. You thought contemporary media revolutionized propaganda? Wait until we have superintelligence aka AI capable of performing said task beyond the level of the most capable human.

The potential for AI is simultaneously to be the most profitable/economically disruptive tool AND most powerful tool of control ever.

>>512793642 (OP)
Realistically the only people AI in its current iteration will hurt are pajeet code-monkeys who shit out gobbledygook and expect to be paid for it.

The only thing AI is going to filter out is literal subhuman garbage. Anyone semi-competent will likely get by just fine once they adjust their workflow a bit.

>>512799012
There are some real use cases but they're fairly horrible and dystopian and they aren't LLMs. Being perfected in Ukraine

>>512815566
Not going to read beyond the first sentence since you’re retarded and a waste of my time but I’ll respond to it. Again you’re conflating aesthetic of intelligence (ie. Human intelligence) with functional capability. If an AI integrated robot capable of brain surgery has better patient outcomes than all human surgeons I don’t care if it’s processor is made of cow shit and it makes decision based on astrology charts. The point is the aesthetic of its methodology doesn’t fucking matter if the outcome is at parity or better

Go tell your reasoning to the world’s best Go players as they get fucked in the ass by AlphaGo on repeat

>don’t worry jimmy it’s not actually better than you it just memorized a billion games via self play and beats you 100% of the time but it’s not better than you because it’s game intelligence isn’t real

>>512800229
It's a little more sadistic than that I think germ bro. Call it a Keynesian race to the bottom.

What we have now is a rather unprecedented result in human history. Not to say this time it will be much different, but this time shit is worse.

It goes like this.

Country 1: solicits technical development via money printing
Country 2: solicits the same tech development via moneyprinting
Country 1: doubles down trying to keep talent local
Country 2: triples down and actually has more bigger markets in the first place.
Country 1: goes whole hog and makes their centuries of technological development free for gigadevelopers
Country 2: prints so much money they buy country 1's retirement homes.

This isn't local hyperinflation like brazil, or Germany or Zimbabwe, this is GLOBAL hyperinflation. And nation states are determined to never blink.

It's gonna get ugly, a market crash is basically the last gasp at sanity, if it doesn't crash shit unironically becomes third world worldwide real quick.

>>512816743
>game based on knowledge checks is dominated by knowledge base
Kill yourself. There’s a reason competitive gaming has never embraced chess nor go.

>>512796427
This will be true for a few years, tops, and then it won't be.

>>512816859
>becomes
It's already so third world in America compared to my childhood

>>512816886
I sure hope there aren't entire industries like translation that are entirely dependant on knowledge checks, both syntax and cultural.
They'd be getting devastated right now. =(

>>512816985
It could be so much worse desu.

We are china/russia tier, not Africa tier.

>>512817006
Man I think some dude on /g/ pointed me to a local llm that can do light novel translations better than most English light novel websites but thats not a high bar

>>512816886
>inserts arbitrary semantic bullshit
>”T-T-that doesn’t count it’s not muh Esports!!!”

https://openai.com/index/openai-five-defeats-dota-2-world-champions

NEXT.

>>512817251
Exactly, its not a high bar. In most industries vulnerable to it. And this would be pre culture war tranny dei horde industries.
Now? Half of them barely function as it. Adopt is far easier and has better results than previously too.

>>512797991
>ChatGPT5
Biggest guardrails and lamest version yet and you are a fraudulent homosexual. Your favorite bot algorithm is a literal lying propaganda bot. Eat my fuck.

>>512817465
The most notable "feature" of this version is that it hallucinate far less. Even if slightly stupider than 4 at some things.
I.e. its a big step forward in trying to solve the biggest roadblock.

>>512817459
>pre culture war tranny dei horde industries
Holy shit im reminded of translators who try to clean the material or add their own 'I dont agree with these views heres why' No one gives a fuck about you, translate or make your own shit.
>Adopt is far easier and has better results than previously too.
Yeah the only problem is like memory some things get translated differently on different chapters thats improved recently i think but it was shit seeing names or cities change name every chapter using bot translations

>>512816976
Be honest, were you the same guy a few years ago that was talking about how by now we’d all be buying land in the metaverse and it’d be recorded on NFT blockchains? Man what a time lmao, thank god we didn’t have high market cap companies doing anything dumb like renaming themselves after it and pouring tens of billions of dollars into its development
>>512817251
There’s a difference between a translation being technically accurate (which machines are getting a grasp of) and getting the right feel across (which they most definitely are not). Language is complex, a lot of it doesn’t actually follow prescribed patterns

>>512817691
>There’s a difference between a translation being technically accurate (which machines are getting a grasp of) and getting the right feel across (which they most definitely are not). Language is complex, a lot of it doesn’t actually follow prescribed patterns
Yup but RAG it starting to chip into that Its still not as good as talented translator but its starting to beat out lower-medium tier.

>>512797752
Is this one of those robots that runs purely off of gravity? I forget what they are called.

>>512817691
The problem is the "translators" for most popular media were already going massively off script to put in their own cultural sensitivities. The service you describe already broadly didn't exist for most impacted users.
>>512817645
Its really inevitable that someone makes something more structured to "remember" important details.
The growth of things like NotebookLm and it's abilities to actually find key facts has been interesting for sure. So they're already more or less able to identify the relevant information to keep. Now it's just 1 more step.

>>512817963
"Passive dynamic walker". Thanks AI for answering every question I have anymore.

>>512816743
"AI" is good at one thing and one thing only. That is, showing you stuff that's really hard for humans to learn.

Most people play chess or go knowing the game as their grandfather explained it to them, their grandfather being a casual player and explaining it to them poorly.

Machine learning BTFO's old game playing models because old game-playing models relied on playing like retarded autists who "keep score" and only take mostly arbitrarily defined "optimal plays" with perfect computer discipline.

The "Ai" bot on the other hand understands the game from a pure mathematical standpoint, the game is one of area denial, and denying area depends on a fixed set of variables, some of which are too subtle for anything less than a master of the game to even comprehend or perceive, perhaps some beyond even them. "Ai" does perceive them, and given billions of dollars of training (more than any human's life is worth) it can memorize and quantify all of them. It runs this calculation that cost literally hundreds of lives, to produce the modest result that humans think is paradigm-shifting. That is, "white pawn to F6 is a pretty good move."

It's cool yea... but it takes near perfect play and stone cold computer nerves to get to that point. Humans choke trying to do it. Which is why grandmasters never learned it, and in hindsight, it makes lots of sense. White pawn in F6 is a nasty little troll, it denies area, especially if the rook is still there which is something you should have already known about chess if you cared enough to play beyond childhood.

So, yea, 10/10 pretty cool edgecase, as a species we are now a billion dollars poorer and the average ELO of the human race is maybe 25 points higher because Ai explained and demonstrated chess better than old peepaw ever could.

I suppose knowledge is priceless after all

>>512817570
>hallucinate far less
Whatever. It's still wrong often and lies deliberately more. Public releases are castrated and lame. Just imagine, just for a moment, that the reality is that military grade ai is like the longevity effects of their coveted anti-aging drugs vs. the goyslop gmo pesticide fungicide riddled processed crap they feed to the public.

>>512797752
>Why we cant have these walking around en mass.

>>512794210
>Circa 2000
>Two more weeks until the dot com bubble pops amirite? Pets.com is revolutionizing the world!

>>512793642 (OP)
most people are already living in the depression, this bubble popping will only hurt the billionaires.

>>512818192
Your point is really that it's not a good innovation because it "only" learned how to optimally manipulate a closed system? Within a few of inception?

>>512818384
>hurt the billionaires.
Yeah remember how covid hurt them from the crash? Or how after 2008 when that blackrock owner lost his money he got hurt by getting a government grant

>>512793642 (OP)
>As soon as the AI bubble pops
i dont really see that happening anon. thats like saying
>as soon as the aviation industry flops and people stop flying
AI is here to stay as an emergent technology.

>>512818192
>verbose plebbit emo pretending it's smart because quantity.
Plebbit tier take. Please go back.

>>512793642 (OP)
You get what you deserve for backing inbred Pakis as always. Keep falling for it hahahahhaa

>>512796390
Could be using it for something else and then you wouldn't be crying about being replaced

>>512809937
Yes I do use it in professional capacity.

AGI is a meme, it doesn’t fucking matter. What matters is whether fleets of humanoid robots integrated with task specific VLA models, a foundational world model such as issac gr00t that operate based on a digital sim like NIVIDIA’s omniverse can reach parity with human laborers. Because if they can guess what, companies aren’t going to pay some human retard who spends an hour each day taking a shit $75k a year when they can buy a literal humanoid robot slave and OWN it for under $50K.

Remember, they don’t need sleep, vacation, HR, insurance, turnover, talk back, have “off days”

>https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-isaac-gr00t-n1-open-humanoid-robot-foundation-model-simulation-frameworks

>https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=VrcPXy97C1_EahN5&v=l5M4sqaRd6w&feature=youtu.be

Also from an abstract task perspective, you realize these models have not been actually trained human jobs right? Majority of these knowledge models were trained on the billions of pages of easy access text we had lying around (eg. The internet, elibraries, etc). None of these frothier models have been thoroughly trained on human tasks.

FigureAI is actually training their humanoid’s VLA models on real world tasks as I posted before:
https://youtu.be/lkc2y0yb89U?si=YjXMKSl8yEcGmSKo

This type of task-specific training is the next hurdle but economically it’s so incentivized to spend the time/money/effort collecting said data that it’s only a matter of time.

>>512793642 (OP)
Ask yourself a few questions:
1. What did Herbert Hoover do to cause a huge portion of the population to lose their homes and move to Hoovervilles?
2. Why did he do that?
3. Who would you bring in if you were about to file bankruptcy as a country? Would it be the most infamous navigator of bankruptcies in the country?

>>512796427
this. They are shilling it so hard for the investors. I'm looking at a program that boasts over "2000+ AI tools" and most of them are such shit with extremely narrow capabilities.

>>512818192
>as a species we are now a billion dollars poorer and the average ELO of the human race is maybe 25
This is you you nigger.
I still think its a bubble but fuck you.

>>512816743

> Not going to read beyond the first sentence

Neither did I

>>512802437
retarded take. that would only work in a free market without fiat money

>>512793642 (OP)
to add my 2 cents before the thread is inevitably archived because of post limit. AI is 100% a bubble, it can do simple tasks with allot of handholding and may be advanced tasks in ideal data circumstances. But most of the human world isn't real, most data bases are Excel spread sheets running on 2005 computers and one wrongly inserted cell wigs out AI. It's .com all over again, this shit will be useful but not in the MASSIVE way we think
>INB4
>"the advanced AI is locked away from the pulbic"
>"may I see it?"
>"no"
>steamed clams

>>512812142

I keep asking Elon on x every time he posts about self driving, "Who do we charge with manslaughter". I don't understand how everyone is so retarded to just " accept " self driving. I am a human, I need a license to drive, but AI is a computer and doesn't need one at all? What?!

It'll kill some 7 year old and everyone will clutch pearls wondering how this could happen, they'll write a law and it'll stand for 2 days before another kid gets mowed down and then people will just accept it as a risk because, "well, people kill people too, at least AI isn't drunk", we'll all laugh, be frustrated and then die slowly to microplastics in our brains.

>>512817881
Why would RAG, literally a fucking switch block, fix anything?

>>512819628
The fact everyone claims "it's like the internet" throughout this whole thread really shows the truth.
Firstly, the gains from the .Com bubble propelled the survivors into billionaires. Everyone is acting like there weren't hundreds of companies that did prove their use cases. And this is BEFORE the internet was mature as a storefront and advertising platform.
Secondly, we haven't really even seen AI trained for specific jobs. Its usually generalist platforms being tried out for now.

>>512817006
Go watch an AI translated video right now. I’ll be Sarah coating my psy.
>>512817372
That same bot team lost to paiN from Huehuestan. That was seven years ago and there is no AI beating up anyone today.

>>512820576
"It's only taken work from 1/3rd of translators as a 3 year old technology chud, checkmate"
"So what if even the translators are using it for their day to day tasks"
>>https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/apr/16/survey-finds-generative-ai-proving-major-threat-to-the-work-of-translators

>>512820805
Again, liability problem. If you use a machine translation even today, who do you sue when there’s issues caused by a mistranslation or error? Maybe for free pirated shit or “beta” nonsense but not for things that have to withstand legal scrutiny.

>>512796771
krampus scheme

>>512821005
Oh so only everything but nuanced writing and warnings.
Even if we assumed literally every part of the legal, medical, and financial industries were off limits (and they're already using it for some stuff, especially if it's reviewed after) that's still 1/3rd of the entire industry evaporating overnight.

>>512809337
How long can that last though? And with so much competition even if one succeeds thats a lot of failure

>>512821446
The federal reserve endlessly steals from you via inflation for that very reason anon.
They have the ammo. They had it for 2008, they had it for 2020, and this is a blip in comparison.

>>512794328
Doesn't know what breakage is. Tldr it makes them shitloads bc they don't need to hire white Americans they can just use a pajeet with ai and save 60k a year in cost