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Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512822108 [Report] >>512822351 >>512822639 >>512823602 >>512823610 >>512829125 >>512830058 >>512831258 >>512831462 >>512833304
Is finishing off wounded faggots a warcrime?
How do you know they're hors de combat unless they're dead?
Anonymous (ID: QNv49/V+) United States No.512822295 [Report] >>512822502
More humane than letting them just slowly die to the elements and their wounds
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512822351 [Report] >>512822502 >>512825423
>>512822108 (OP)
its actually more effective to just wound them and leave them alive.
that way the enemy has to spend resources for medivac, the wounded will also clog up their hospitals and become a large burden for the enemy.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512822502 [Report] >>512822829
>>512822295
I agree.
>>512822351
Russia doesn't do medivac bro.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512822639 [Report] >>512822742
>>512822108 (OP)
yeah, this is a blatant war crime
theyre obviously hors de combat
you dont just lie on the ground in a fucking warzone unless you cant move
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512822742 [Report] >>512822941
>>512822639
>theyre obviously hors de combat
How do you know though?
>you dont just lie on the ground in a fucking warzone unless you cant move
They play dead all the time.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512822829 [Report] >>512822890 >>512825807 >>512826449 >>512827019 >>512830424 >>512833882
>>512822502
>Russia doesn't do medivac bro.
they will if you allow them to, crippling enemys is more effective than killing them.
a society will break apart quick if it has to take care of hundreds of thousands of cripples, its a massive strain on the economy.
thats also the actual NATO doctrine, thats why we use 5.56, to cripple and not to kill.
if you just kill them you make it easier for them, kinda counter intuitive but its true.
there is also a lot of propaganda value in just crippling your enemys. they go back home and spread fear, uncertainty and doubt among their own population making the war less popular at the homefront.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512822890 [Report] >>512823320
>>512822829
>they will if you allow them to
>a society will break apart quick if it has to take care of hundreds of thousands of cripples
It's like you don't understand the contradiction here.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512822941 [Report] >>512823020
>>512822742
I think the main thing is that they dont have a weapon
If theyre lying on the ground with a gun in their hands, theyre still in combat
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512823020 [Report] >>512823173
>>512822941
>I think the main thing is that they dont have a weapon
It's laying right next to them and either way, that's not part of the Geneva Conventions anyway. No way to tell if they have a grenade or pistol.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512823173 [Report] >>512823304 >>512825807
>>512823020
>that's not part of the Geneva Conventions anyway.
From what I remember it is actually
If they're not able to fight back, i.e wounded or without a weapon theyre hors de combat
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512823304 [Report] >>512823504
>>512823173
Nope, there is absolutely no specification in Geneva for what "hors de combat" means. It also doesn't say in Geneva that you're required to take POWs at all, only that if you do, you have to treat them in a certain way.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512823320 [Report] >>512823394
>>512822890
there is no contradiction, thats simply how it is, crippling enemys is always more effective than killing them.
its also a waste of ammo to finish of wounded that pose no threat, the munitions could be used on other more dangerous targets.
its another one of many reasons why Ukraine is losing.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512823394 [Report] >>512823568
>>512823320
Why would Russia want its wounded back when they're a drain on society like you said? That's the contradiction and it is obvious.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512823504 [Report] >>512823585 >>512823717 >>512827453 >>512830622 >>512832349
>>512823304
Why are you so confidently lying?
At least from the documents about it i've read it has a very specific criteria actually
What the fuck is wrong with you?
https://www.icrc.org/sites/default/files/external/doc/en/assets/files/publications/icrc-002-0173.pdf
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512823568 [Report] >>512823613
>>512823394
>Why would Russia want its wounded back
because the PR would be bad for them if there is hours upon hours of video showing their soldiers dying from lack of medivac while nobody attacks them.
so they are forced to pick them up.
you can even assist them in it by grabbing these wounded yourself and then exchanging it for your own healthy soldiers etc.
shits really simple.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512823585 [Report] >>512823613 >>512823632
>>512823504
That's not Gevena fool.
Anonymous (ID: xYhHwSkT) No.512823602 [Report] >>512823639
>>512822108 (OP)
yes, my tax money paid for that bomb
Anonymous (ID: D41NIYR+) United States No.512823610 [Report] >>512834023
>>512822108 (OP)
It's a mercy killing. Russians made it very clear to the conscripts that medevac simply isn't possible and so no aid will be coming if they get wounded, its why you see so many of them off themselves, they know they aren't getting any help.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512823613 [Report]
>>512823568
>because the PR would be bad for them
Oh my god, imagine being this naive. Anyway look at the great medievac here>>512823585
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512823632 [Report] >>512823986 >>512827453
>>512823585
are you fucking retarded?
Anonymous (ID: xYhHwSkT) No.512823639 [Report]
>>512823602
why not send troops in there to shoot them.
Anonymous (ID: /68aanfl) United States No.512823696 [Report]
>warcrime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
>lol
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512823717 [Report] >>512824069
>>512823504
hes mad that Ukraine is losing again, not only on the battlefield but also on the political stage.
that makes all the shills rage with butthurt.
you can even see this in the catalog, everytime russia grabs more land or closes another cauldron the piggies start to cry hard.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512823986 [Report] >>512824101
>>512823632
The Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 are not the same as the Geneva Conventions, which were pre-war. The 1949 conventions were intended to supersede them, but were not ratified by a large number of nations.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512824069 [Report] >>512824155 >>512824221
>>512823717
We're talking about whether this is a warcrime. Go cope in another thread. Plenty of Pokrovsk falls in 2 weeks threads for you to seethe in anon.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512824101 [Report] >>512824222 >>512827453
>>512823986
thats just the geneva convention that the icrc gave me when i went to their website
it seems both ukraine and russia have ratified this one
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512824155 [Report] >>512824441
>>512824069
uh oh stinky
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512824221 [Report] >>512824369
>>512824069
its not looking good for Ukraine cucks.

>Russian Armed Forces have broken through the front line by 10 km near Dobropillya, — Ukrainian media in panic
>"The Dobropillya-Kramatorsk highway is cut off and under Russian control in the area of the settlement Novovodyane.
>The situation is critical" – report Ukrainian war correspondents

so as you see the strategy of bombing wounded soldier that pose no threat and wasting ammo on them didnt help Ukraine turn the war into their favor at all.
Ukrainians are losing and they will continue losing as they keep doing more such pointless shit.
I heard they even tried another excursion into Russia but got BTFO earlier.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512824222 [Report]
>>512824101
Perhaps you are correct then, but you should look at the section concerning "reprisals". You'd be surprised.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512824369 [Report] >>512824557 >>512824627
>>512824221
This is a thread about the legal status of drone warfare and the disposal of troops either wounded or feigning injury. Please seethe elsewhere faggot.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512824441 [Report] >>512824519
>>512824155
Oh dear, you're just a shill too and not an actual anon. That sucks.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512824519 [Report] >>512825092
>>512824441
nah lol i laugh at both sides when something goes wrong
both of you faggots are insufferable
when zog loses i kek, when rusniggers lose i kek
i cant lose
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512824557 [Report] >>512824627 >>512825092
>>512824369
>Please seethe elsewhere faggot.
>ad hom
sounds like you are seething because Ukraine is losing. see, its not effective to bomb injured enemy soldiers.
it changes nothing on the frontlines. actually makes the enemy hate you more and he fights you harder.
Anonymous (ID: RItmHtUl) No.512824627 [Report] >>512825092
>>512824369
>This is a thread about the legal status of drone warfare and the disposal of troops either wounded or feigning injury.
>>512824557
>ts not effective to bomb injured enemy soldiers.
>it changes nothing on the frontlines

see is not that hard to understand even for a gorespammer
Anonymous (ID: DaWv1XkC) United States No.512824888 [Report] >>512825124
How can there be war crime when there is no war??? Putin said this is a special operation not a war.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512825092 [Report] >>512825124 >>512825259 >>512827152
>>512824519
Then why did you come to this thread?
>>512824557
Still here seething sigh
>>512824627
How do you know they're injured though when they play dead? This is considered a "resort to perfidy" and places soldiers outside Geneva protections.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512825124 [Report] >>512825301
>>512824888
I dont think there needs to be a formal declaration of war, the geneva convention typically uses the word "conflict" which is far more broad
>>512825092
To discuss the OP question
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512825259 [Report] >>512825331
>>512825092
>Still here seething sigh
but its you who is seething, because Ukraine is losing.
whenever you have to face this reality you seethe.
we all know.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512825301 [Report] >>512825331 >>512825438
>>512825124
Okay, good. So how does resorts to perfidy and the reprisal clause in Geneva affect this in your opinion? This video is a clear example of just such perfidy, which would place the soldier in question outside Geneva and also justify reprisals against his comrades. Or do you disagree?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512825331 [Report]
>>512825259
Okay, fine whatever. What about this question then>>512825301
Anonymous (ID: EsYAPKps) Sweden No.512825423 [Report] >>512826005
>>512822351
>its actually more effective
This tired old meme, yeah maybe then and there on the battlefield. But the only thing that makes war less politically popular then maimed soldiers is body bags.

And war is just the continuation of politics by other means.
- Some german guy probably
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512825438 [Report] >>512825608
>>512825301
Why would it justify reprisal against his comrades?
What?
He's clearly in combat as he's got a gun but I dont understand what you're saying
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512825608 [Report] >>512825836
>>512825438
Because they can't tell who is dead/wounded vs. who is being perfidious, obviously. Read the reprisal clause as I suggested. The Geneva Conventions literally authorizes massacres.
Anonymous (ID: /tFiKJt3) Canada No.512825807 [Report] >>512825878 >>512826129
>>512822829
russians just leave them m8, they don't give a fuck about getting them home; did you not see that clip of a russian finishing off a wounded comrade ? he barely breaks stride, just puts one in his head as he's passing.
>>512823173
"without a weapon" is meaningless - ukranian civilians don't have weapons, are routinely targeted by russian forces.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512825836 [Report] >>512826177
>>512825608
from just scanning the document all i could see was the prohibition of reprisals
maybe give me a page number
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512825878 [Report] >>512826246
>>512825807
>"without a weapon" is meaningless
it means theyre not armed and yes murdering civilians without weapons is a warcrime
russia commits warcrimes daily as does ukraine
this is just slav behavior 101
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512826005 [Report] >>512826177
>>512825423
>But the only thing that makes war less politically popular then maimed soldiers is body bags.
its way waay more demoralizing if every other guy you see is a cripple.
if they are dead they are out of sight and out of mind and its easier to cope.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512826129 [Report]
>>512825807
>they don't give a fuck about getting them home
they would if they could but even if they dont, they have some explaining to do to their own soldiers on why they arent evacuating their wounded.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512826177 [Report] >>512826259 >>512826376
>>512825836
>maybe give me a page number
I don't have it in book form, just search for "reprisal". Basically Geneva allows warcrimes to be committed as a "reprisal" for warcrimes being committed against you. An enemy the regulary feigns surrender or plays dead, etc., might be considered subject to reprisal. But read it for yourself.
>>512826005
At least you're finally being honest about why Russia doesn't do medievac.
Anonymous (ID: /tFiKJt3) Canada No.512826246 [Report] >>512826289
>>512825878
russian troops might not be shouldering a rifle but they're in uniform, likely have some other weaponry on their person, are still memeber of an opposing and invading force - i don't see a problem with picking them off unless they're laying down all weaponry and obviously surendering, think they should gtfo of ukraine if they don't want to get killed.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512826259 [Report] >>512826715
>>512826177
>But read it for yourself.
I did, nothing in there about reprisals being allowed
Everything I read prohibits it
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512826289 [Report]
>>512826246
Im not discussing opinion, im going off whats written in the geneva convention of 1949
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512826321 [Report]
Anonymous (ID: OdzWkZ2F) United States No.512826333 [Report]
Modern war looks like looney tunes. Imagine dying to a toy robot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzIsuD7NO8M
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512826369 [Report] >>512826989
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512826376 [Report] >>512826767
>>512826177
>about why Russia doesn't do medievac.
they dont because its often too dangerous to do.
but if it wasnt dangerous and the ukrainians would say "here you can pick these wounded guys up and we wont be attacking you when you do" then there is no excuse.
Anonymous (ID: vEH939PM) United States No.512826449 [Report] >>512826534 >>512826961
>>512822829
>thats why we use 5.56, to cripple and not to kill.
Certified retard
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512826534 [Report] >>512826825 >>512827420 >>512827453
>>512826449
seethe posts are not arguments
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512826715 [Report] >>512826806
>>512826259
The section you are referring to refers to civilians and noncombatants, which are protected anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reprisal
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512826767 [Report]
>>512826376
And also because they don't want a bunch of cripples showing up back home...as you said.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512826806 [Report] >>512826928
>>512826715
Well yeah and so it doesnt apply in this case, because people who are hors de combat are protected regardless
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512826825 [Report] >>512826907 >>512827420
>>512826534
Russia uses 5.45x39, which is even more underpowered than 5.56
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512826907 [Report] >>512826975
>>512826825
they had the same idea with that and they do provide medical help to wounded ukrainians.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512826928 [Report] >>512826989
>>512826806
No, you're not understanding. If an enemy makes wide use of perfidy, including feigning injury or playing dead, then the other side is authorized to treat them generally as such. Same as if one side uses prohibited weapons, the other side is authorized to as well.
Anonymous (ID: l/OZNAID) Canada No.512826961 [Report] >>512827420
>>512826449
It's half the reason, the other half is more rounds for the same weight.
It's more harmful to your enemy to wound them than to kill them. It's counterintuitive.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512826975 [Report] >>512827487
>>512826907
I think you just say whatever anon. Vranyo is the term yeah?
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512826989 [Report] >>512827120
>>512826928
From all the sections I read, it appears that they're protected no matter what:>>512826369
You just cant have reprisals against them no matter what
Anonymous (ID: gyg+WLp6) Croatia No.512827019 [Report] >>512828108
>>512822829
Germans are psychos
Anonymous (ID: GiB6wV7M) No.512827104 [Report] >>512827183
Does posting drone gore mean that Ukraine is "winning" this war?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827120 [Report] >>512827220
>>512826989
>it appears that they're protected no matter what
no, this is simply false and no one would sign a convention that only restricted them but not the enemy. The USSR didn't sign Geneva pre-war, which is why the Germans didn't treat them in accord with it.
Anonymous (ID: k7lSipxo) United States No.512827152 [Report] >>512827244
>>512825092
>Pilpul
>Pilpul
>Pilpul
When you have the chance you should kill yourself
>Inb4 seethe cope shill
I won't be back to read it so don't waste the (you)
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827183 [Report] >>512827244
>>512827104
No, it just adds context and seems to cause upset, but that is okay.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512827220 [Report] >>512827510
>>512827120
well idk, thats what i can read from the document
seems like they signed it just fine
maybe post a section
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827244 [Report]
>>512827152
>>512827183
See? This is the upset I was referring to anons.
Anonymous (ID: vEH939PM) United States No.512827420 [Report] >>512828191
>>512826534
>seethe posts are not arguments
You're an idiot
>>512826825
Another one
>>512826961
>It's half the reason, the other half is more rounds for the same weight.
>It's more harmful to your enemy to wound them than to kill them. It's counterintuitive.
Weight is the main reason. Also recoil control and a whole bunch of small arms history that are too big brained for this thread. I guarantee this wounding vs killing urban legend wasn't part of it.
Anonymous (ID: xnhtzk9F) United States No.512827453 [Report] >>512827514 >>512827623 >>512830981
>>512823632
>>512823504
You are literally talking to a retard who has been told this for 3 fucking years. He doesn't care, he's blatantly wrong and lacks basic comprehension or understanding of international law but will never admit it, even when he gets told in threads. He's nothing but disingenuous.
>>512824101
It is literally Geneva btw. The reason it's plural is because there have been multiple ones over the early 19th century but he's pretending to be ignorant by only referring to the 1949 one, which starts out by recognizing the prior ones. He'll also feign ignorance to Hague.
>>512826534
5.56 was not chosen because it would wound more, the tumbling effect causes bigger wound channels and more lethality, rather than simply going through like bigger rounds. The whole 2 people to carry 1 wounded had nothing to do with 5.56's selection. 5.56 is simply better for modern war below 300 meters and with fully automatic fire. The Soviets also went to a .22 caliber bullet too, so it's not a NATO exclusive thing.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512827487 [Report] >>512827623
>>512826975
I think you are just seething because Ukraine is losing.
also are you anti Trump? the guy is throwing Ukraine under the bus after all
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827510 [Report] >>512827655
>>512827220
Nope, they signed it post war, not in 1929. And Putin withdrew from sections of it in 2019
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/russias-putin-revokes-geneva-convention-protocol-on-war-crimes-victims-idUSKBN1WW2J3/
Here is another example of perfidy.
Anonymous (ID: xnhtzk9F) United States No.512827514 [Report]
>>512827453
>over the early 19th century
*over the early 20th century
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827623 [Report] >>512827891 >>512828229
>>512827453
Hague was superseeded by Geneva and no longer is active, as are more than one of its provisions.
>>512827487
Back to beep bopping and changing the subject I see. Oh well.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512827655 [Report] >>512827839 >>512827839
>>512827510
>Nope, they signed it post war, not in 1929.
Why are you talking about ww2?
lmao im focusing on the russo-ukrainian war
Also:
>It is still a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, which is made up of four of treaties and three additional protocols.
Regardless, reprisals against non-combatants (see hors de combat) is still not permitted
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827839 [Report] >>512827972 >>512828425
>>512827655
>Why are you talking about ww2?
Because that's what we were talking about. You said:
>seems like they signed it just fine
But that was post-war, not the 1929 Geneva, which is why it wasn't in effect on the Eastern Front during the war.
>>512827655
>regardless, reprisals against non-combatants (see hors de combat) is still not permitted
I never said they were and have specifically said otherwise at least once already. I'm not referring to reprisals against non-combatants, but soldiers.
Anonymous (ID: xnhtzk9F) United States No.512827891 [Report] >>512827959
>>512827623
>Hague was superseeded by Geneva and no longer is active
Nope, this was established at Nuremberg.
>Several of the belligerents in the recent war were not parties to this Convention.

>In the opinion of the Tribunal it is not necessary to decide this question. The rules of land warfare expressed in the Convention undoubtedly represented an advance over existing international law at the time of their adoption. But the Convention expressly stated that it was an attempt " to revise the general laws and customs of war," which it thus recognised to be then existing, but by 1939 these rules laid down in the Convention were recognised by all civilised nations, and were regarded as being declaratory of the laws and customs of war which are referred to in Article 6 (b) of the Charter.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512827959 [Report] >>512828216
>>512827891
Nothing you said had anything to do with Hauge not being superseeded by Geneva. It is not still and active binding treaty, sorry. And why are you arguing with me at all given what you said before dear?
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512827972 [Report] >>512828078
>>512827839
>>seems like they signed it just fine
Im talking about the events that are relevant to this war, so it was signed before the war began
I never mentioned anything about ww2, you might be confused
> I'm not referring to reprisals against non-combatants, but soldiers.
Soldiers who are hors de combat are no longer combatants, hors de combat literally means out of combat
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512828078 [Report] >>512828187
>>512827972
>Soldiers who are hors de combat are no longer combatants, hors de combat literally means out of combat
I understand what it means. But soldiers who play dead are not hors de combat and are committing an act of perfidy, which not only places them outside Geneva protections, but exposes their comrades to (legal) reprisals.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512828108 [Report]
>>512827019
there are many examples for this to work.
see the Vietnam war for example, the Gorilla warfare of the Vietcong left a lot amerimutts crippled (300k+) so the Vietnam war became so unpopular that the US Gov had to abandon it which lead to a total gook victory.
Anonymous (ID: A00dyDL4) Australia No.512828187 [Report] >>512828888
>>512828078
Sure, but you still cant go around blowing up everyone who is wounded, theyre still protected
Reprisals dont apply to that group, simple as
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512828191 [Report] >>512828520
>>512827420
>I guarantee this wounding vs killing urban legend wasn't part of it.
it literally is, they teach this in the military.
Anonymous (ID: xnhtzk9F) United States No.512828216 [Report] >>512828888
>>512827959
See what I mean? Feigning or perhaps literal illiteracy.
>but by 1939 these rules laid down in the Convention were recognised by all civilised nations, and were regarded as being declaratory of the laws and customs of war which are referred to in Article 6 (b) of the Charter.
>https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/judlawre.asp
It could not possibly be more clear. Hague was superseded, but not "no longer active".
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512828229 [Report] >>512828948
>>512827623
answer the question shill
Anonymous (ID: xnhtzk9F) United States No.512828425 [Report]
>>512827839
>But that was post-war, not the 1929 Geneva, which is why it wasn't in effect on the Eastern Front during the war.
This argument was literally ignored at Nuremberg. How can you be so pathetically ignorant of war crimes but speak so certainly?
Anonymous (ID: vEH939PM) United States No.512828520 [Report] >>512828847
>>512828191
>they teach this in the military.
The German military?
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512828847 [Report] >>512829816
>>512828520
yes, thats what they teach in the Bundeswehr and have been teaching there for the last 3 decades.
the Bundeswehr is also a defensive military so all orders to shoot are always shoot to maim and cripple and not to kill.
>but muh broomsticks
no reason to make our real weapons dirty when we just train the maneuver.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512828888 [Report] >>512831110
>>512828187
No, they do if the enemy feigns injury or plays dead. Same as if they throw away their weapons but don't surrender but try to flee back to their own lines...these troops are not protected and are not hors de combat.
>>512828216
Oh look, still arguing with me for some reason.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512828948 [Report] >>512828998
>>512828229
What question shitskin?
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512828998 [Report] >>512829129
>>512828948
if you are pro or anti Trump
Anonymous (ID: C2kBSdX8) United Kingdom No.512829125 [Report]
>>512822108 (OP)
>Ray
>u ok?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512829129 [Report] >>512829427 >>512831168
>>512828998
Oh I voted for Trump 3 times. And?
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512829427 [Report] >>512829547
>>512829129
the current Trump admin is throwing Ukraine under the bus.
how do you cope with that?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512829547 [Report] >>512829847
>>512829427
Ok well he just imposed tariffs on India and sent subs to offshore Russia because of Medevev's seething. But whatever you need to cope I guess. What does this have to do with the subject of the thread?
Anonymous (ID: vEH939PM) United States No.512829816 [Report] >>512829968
>>512828847
Origin & intent — The 5.56×45 mm NATO (and its U.S. cousin, the .223 Remington) was developed in the late 1950s–early 1960s for the M16 rifle program. The U.S. Army wanted a light, controllable cartridge that a soldier could carry in large quantities, with good hit probability in fully automatic fire, and still be lethal at typical combat ranges (~300 m).

Why smaller than 7.62 NATO — Lighter ammo means more rounds carried, and a lighter rifle means better handling. The 5.56 mm was fast enough to cause significant tissue damage through yaw and fragmentation when it hit at high velocity, especially inside 200 m.

The “designed to wound” myth — This idea likely comes from two misunderstandings:

1. Geneva Conventions/Hague Declaration — People sometimes confuse the ban on expanding bullets with a “rule” to wound, not kill. There is no such rule. Militaries aim for effectiveness, and a wounded soldier can burden the enemy logistically, but that was never the design goal of the round.


2. Smaller caliber perception — Compared to the 7.62 NATO, the 5.56 looks “less deadly,” so some assumed the choice was political or humanitarian. In reality, the cartridge was lethal enough for military purposes but offered less recoil and more ammo per soldier.
If anything, early field reports from Vietnam showed that the original M193 5.56 round caused more catastrophic wounds than expected due to fragmentation — prompting some criticism that it was too destructive, not that it was meant to be gentle.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512829847 [Report] >>512830589
>>512829547
Trump is moving towards a complete cessation of funding for Ukraine and wants to achieve a "peaceful resolution of this issue... Americans are tired of spending their taxes on it"
thats what he said.
>What does this have to do with the subject of the thread?
I'm just interested in hearing your opinion.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512829968 [Report] >>512830297
>>512829816
thats incorrect tho
Anonymous (ID: /Biz71R/) United States No.512830058 [Report]
>>512822108 (OP)
It's a waste of ammunition.
Anonymous (ID: vEH939PM) United States No.512830297 [Report] >>512830573
>>512829968
No, it's not. The 5.56 was originally designed and fielded at 55 grains out of a 20 inch barrel. They knew very well from testing that this caused catastrophic wounds due to the bullet reaction with soft tissue. If anything it was designed to kill more effectively and to be an expanding bullet without being an expanding bullet. Your oft repeated myth, is false.
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512830424 [Report]
>>512822829
Based and shoot to maim pilled.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512830573 [Report]
>>512830297
>If anything it was designed to kill
in the Bundeswehr we dont shoot to kill, we aim to maim.
and thats why you are still more likely to surive the 5.56 than the 7.62
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512830589 [Report] >>512830730 >>512831487
>>512829847
But what does that have to do with the topic of the thread?
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512830622 [Report] >>512830707 >>512831809
>>512823504
He's American there is a 40% chance he's a retarded lying goy a 40% chance he's a nigger, a 5% chance he's a kike, a 4% chance he's chinese, and a 1% chance he's a mentally ill wild man that somehow wasn't killed by police yet.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512830707 [Report]
>>512830622
You have have swapped VPNs babe.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512830730 [Report] >>512830923
>>512830589
you are the OP and a famous pro ukraine shill here on /pol/.
now the orange guy you voted for 3 times wants to help Russia win but you are a Ukraine supporter.
there is some serious cognitive dissonance going on with you kek
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512830923 [Report] >>512831049
>>512830730
I'm famous? Really? Aww...does that make you a fan?
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512830981 [Report] >>512831114
>>512827453
Shoot to maim is more effective, it destroys morale, both on the field and at home. It dumps valuable resources into medical care which is demoralizing and useless for the war effort.

Unless you have total dominance over your rival, shoot to maim and other demoralization tactics is how you actually win. You need to make your enemy go home and shut his door that's what victory is. It's why your second amendment doesn't exist and it's why your first will go away. It's why china owns all your airports and gyms and israel owns all your lawyers and your politicians.

You are maimed in youth, in schools, in your first job, in your home, you are crippled before you know it, you will never fight, you never could.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512831049 [Report] >>512831114
>>512830923
>does that make you a fan?
of course, you are one of my favorite lolcows
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512831110 [Report]
>>512828888
If you feign an injury that you actually have is it really feigned?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831114 [Report] >>512831308 >>512831417 >>512831868
>>512831049
don't be angry :)
>>512830981
shoot to maim isn't an actual war strat bro. You shoot to hit and try to stay alive. real war isn't like a vidya
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512831168 [Report] >>512831456
>>512829129
>voted for russian bedfellow and self professed mafia man.

Lol.
Anonymous (ID: Br4oPcwR) United States No.512831258 [Report]
>>512822108 (OP)
Jews don’t care about rules of engagement or war crimes. All the wars currently happening are Jewish wars. Jews should have never been shown any mercy at any time in history, because they’ve never shown mercy.
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512831308 [Report] >>512831456 >>512831975
>>512831114
My nigger there is not a video game on gods green earth that simulates shoot to maim.

The entire point is that there are worse things to than death, the goal of war is not to kill someone, it's to make them do what you want.

What better way than to break their children's legs and make them pay the medical bill?
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512831417 [Report] >>512831489
>>512831114
>don't be angry
I'm not angry at all, stop seething :)
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831456 [Report]
>>512831168
You make him sound badass and are angry because you lost I guess.
>>512831308
I know, that's why what you said is so retarded and silly.
Anonymous (ID: 0TUFOCw8) United States No.512831462 [Report]
>>512822108 (OP)
Ukrainians can drop grenades on wounded non-combatants as much as they want. It won't bring back those oblasts.
Anonymous (ID: 9KcZiBey) No.512831487 [Report] >>512831516
>>512830589
You sound like a possesed faggot retard. Also like an antifa.
Seek help retarded fuck waste of flesh.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831489 [Report] >>512831565
>>512831417
No seethe, I'm too famous for that and will see you in my next thread love.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831516 [Report]
>>512831487
You sound really fucking angry for some reason.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512831565 [Report] >>512831737
>>512831489
>No seethe
you are seething the entire time bro
its funny how fragile you are and how easy it is to make you butthurt.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831737 [Report] >>512833246
>>512831565
You flatter me honey, calling me famous and everything...and bump like a good girl.
Anonymous (ID: 9KcZiBey) No.512831809 [Report] >>512831885
>>512830622
It looks like demonic possession, why would these retards care about some random shithole thousands of miles far away from them with no reason all of a sudden(last 3 years) and continue debating as if they re paid to post.
Something is wrong with these retarded fucks. Acting as if it was their country or something and spamming shit with blood lust instead of doing anything better.
Demonic possession thru mass media mind manipulation or CCP propaganda is the only answer if they do it for free.

Captcha 8mmw2
Anonymous (ID: j6E3U1rB) United States No.512831868 [Report] >>512831923
>>512831114
Seriously nigger, you act hard and you don't know the first thing about 3rd world evil.

Go outside and watch a cat torture a mouse to death, that's you.

Now find a nigger and see them torture a cat to death. That's you in a decade, you are the cat. You think you are hot shit now because some dumb human feeds you, but some 78 IQ nigger is smarter than you and is going to introduce your dumb ass to things you never considered before. Why? Because you voted for and support dumbass nigger logic and think that pain and suffering are simulated.

These "modern weapons" are all crafted to make war more terrible, so that war is not fought. It would be nice if we could all have good fun and chop each others legs off with swords and blow ourselves up with cannons. You won't get that luxury nigger at best you die instantly, perhaps your enemy needs to make Lockheed stock go up so they kill you with an extra bullet so they "feel better" because they didn't keep you alive to suffer.

That's not nigger, slav, hispanic, jew or even east asian world, that's polite happy civilized world. Even the swarthy germans know that killing a wounded soldier because "he's le faking it" is just moral fagging
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831885 [Report]
>>512831809
How do you know it is 1000s of miles away from me?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512831923 [Report] >>512832082
>>512831868
tl;dr
Anonymous (ID: vEH939PM) United States No.512831975 [Report]
>>512831308
>What better way than to break their children's legs and make them pay the medical bill?
This is what you guys sound like with this shoot to maim crap. Truly what militaries care about is incapacitation effect what happens after is ancillary. Not all enemies care or are capable enough to even treat their wounded. Do you think the Viet Cong had medevac to fancy hospitals?
Anonymous (ID: 9KcZiBey) No.512832082 [Report] >>512832222
>>512831923
You have no soul nigger. You d make the best zogbot drone in the next war. Hope you will join it s the best for you to let those frustrations out there in the battlefield.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512832222 [Report]
>>512832082
How do you know I'm 1000s of miles away from Ukraine?
Anonymous (ID: 0TUFOCw8) United States No.512832349 [Report] >>512833296
>>512823504
He's a lying retard man, they're all like this. They'll never acknowledge these rules. Even if backed into a corner they'll just shrug and become nihilists in face of war and suffering (until Russia does something that is). They will make any argument, any excuse, and any cope. They just like mutilating and torturing wounded Russians because they're mad. That's it. They see as the ends justifying the means so no matter how much you argue with them and explain to them how retarded and depraved they are; they will go to the grave thinking they were in the right. You just can't do anything with these types of people.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512833246 [Report] >>512833327
>>512831737
>and bump
every bump makes you look more stupid and more people can see your seething and butthurt :)
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512833296 [Report]
>>512832349
every accusation is a confession...
Anonymous (ID: 6rfh0m22) United States No.512833304 [Report]
>>512822108 (OP)
Not when Saint Ukraine does it.
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512833327 [Report] >>512833556
>>512833246
As long as you're bumping and calling me famous anon, and I will see you in the next thread as I said.
Anonymous (ID: qLX6DLJD) Germany No.512833556 [Report] >>512833940
>>512833327
>and calling me famous
yes a famous butthurt ukraine lolcow.
Anonymous (ID: i+TnDu0L) United States No.512833882 [Report]
>>512822829
B8 or retarded?
Anonymous (ID: 2uHhR+rd) United States No.512833940 [Report]
>>512833556
>famous
thank you
Anonymous (ID: U+0Wz8Rh) United States No.512834023 [Report]
>>512823610
You see. They want to die.