Thread 512823087

nuclear war it is

>>512823087 (OP)
>UN anything
into the trash

>let’s do elections in the 100% abandoned destroyed area
>that we brought a bunch of insectoids to
>that Russia controls access to
*deep sigh*

>>512823087 (OP)
>"water supply to crimea assured"
read: 10 year ceasefire
>"highly likely to be the outcome in the end"
what a fucking retard.

>>512823087 (OP)
the ukrainians would probably agree
but the reddit crowd has decided on the "to the last ukrainian" plan

>>512823217
Functionally the same as having referendums every year until the party in power gets what they want, as has been done in multiple EU states

>>512823087 (OP)
I stand with Ukraine and fly my flag proudly (to show support). Putler needs to be stopped with force. Nuke Moscow and send all western nations into Ukraine to enforce peace keeping. I'm too old for military service, but a new conscription program would shape up our lazy youth into the once great men that struck fear into Nazis everywhere 80 years ago.

according to this only 12% of new recruits for the ukraine armed forces actually volunteered. but the reddit crowd, safe in their homes, are super passionate about making sure ukraine fights to the last man. all to make sure that one sides oligarchs win the russian speaking east ukraine over the sides oligarchs. millions more must die for this apparently.

>>512823087 (OP)
>Ethnically cleanse regions of Russians
>Hold elections after the fact
>"Sorry Putler, looks like democracy says you gotta stay out! :^)"

Or how about this, Russia continues steamrolling Ukraine until the entire country gets annexed.

>>512823087 (OP)
Look at Elon trying to stay relevant.

>>512823087 (OP)
flood both sides with jeets until unconditional surrender that is what he really proposes

>>512823087 (OP)
Neither side will agree to this. But that would be idealistically decent.

>>512824113
Lol at nuclear war.

>Redo elections
Not happening in any situation.
>Crimea
That's a retarded argument even though I don't see Ukraine getting Crimea back.
>Ukraine remains neutral
Finlandization isn't neutrality, but it's a possible outcome.
>Highly likely outcome
Lol
>Nuclear war
Elon please

>>512823087 (OP)
> highly likely outcome
The annexed regions won't have another referendum, they are already integrated parts of the Russian Federation. You must be out of touch if you believe that Russia is going to revert this integration even if it was only for the farce of redoing the referendum under UN supervision. They will never implicitly question the validity and finality of the referendum they held. Anyone with half a brain understands this even if he wished he wouldn't.

>>512823087 (OP)
Russia's demand is not just that Ukraine remain neutral but that it not receive weapons or troops from the US or Europe.

>>512823087 (OP)
the US doesn't want peace its a ruse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fwXBgu6Z5I

>>512823087 (OP)
Another drug induced genius plan kek.
KWAB

>>512823656
You're an absolute NPC faggot.

They already voted to join the Russian Federation lol.

>>512823417
Based tranny redditors

>>512823217

Yes. That’s how democracy works. The people currently living there get to decide.

>>512823087 (OP)
>UN oversight
>Ukraine remains neutral
so hes just kicking the can down the road
genius strategy

>>512824459
Still mad Carney won lol? Elbows up, kiddo.

>>512824263
Russia's "raison de guerre" in the first place was to remove and prevent any military threat from building up in Ukraine. Demilitarization and denazification were just catchy slogans for this. Russia will not tolerate any troops of NATO members. Ukraine would be very tempted to provoke their involvement in a direct conflict with Russia.

>>512823087 (OP)
I would vote no just because the UN cant be trusted it isnt a 3rd party and it is extremely biased.

Lol believing we actually care about democracy

>>512823087 (OP)
I accep
SIKE

>>512823087 (OP)
>UN supervision
I take it Dominion is going to provide the voting machines?

>>512823417
>Anyone who doesn't support the "last ukrainian" plan hasn't met a ukrainian ever

>>512823087 (OP)
You're dumber than you look, if this is a serious proposal, Elon.

>>512823087 (OP)
>M-m-muh democracy
Pussy gay shit. War is the ultimate physical debate of who rightfully gets to squat where, and it is paid by blood and souls unfortunately. Any external suggestion that Russia should somehow give up it's gains is feminized liked thinking. Russia may propose to relinquish gained land though, as it is their right to do whatever they want with their possessions-- but it is not the place for losers and bystanders to propose such

nuclear blackmail is so fucking stupid

any nation that threatens the use of nuclear weapons in any context with the single exception of in self-defense should be attacked with a first strike

this idea that nuclear capabilities mean an aggressor's demands must infinitely be met needs to die immediately

>>512823087 (OP)
Elon is a fucking retard.

>>512823705
He isn't wrong though.

>>512823087 (OP)
Nah, Russians can fuck off. They can desalinate or ship their own water source.

>>512826062
or kill everyone upstream and take their land?

>>512826102
Good luck with that retard. See you in the next drone compilation.

>>512823087 (OP)
>Likely outcome
Lmao the delusion.
Best case for Ukraine at this point is anything east of the Dnieper + Odessa is definitely, unambiguously russian and the rest of Ukraine is not neutral but a completely depopulated puppet state of Russia. That's the best case scenario for them and I don't think Putin will settle for anything less.

>>512826102
What's your life worth anyways, you are the white pajeets at this point.

>>512826245
There is zero reason to not fight to the last man if that’s the only other option

>>512825776
you can`t though, their nuclear capabilities are designed to survive a first strike then deliver a counterattack. so then you would just have a nuclear war, the very situation you were seeking to avoid in the first place.

>>512826335
why are their lives worse less than their government?

>>512823217
They already voted, with guns, something you cucks will never do as your country get browner by the minute. You can only bow to Russia

>>512823087 (OP)
Jesus Christ long is this going to go on for?

All these idiots so is talk about Ukraine peace deals.

This is never going to end. This infinite loop of psyops is worse than Trumps first term.

Are we stuck in some kind of infinite loop Time Machine? If so how do we stop it?

>>512825776
You obviously don't comprehend the purpose of nuclear weapons. They are mainly a means of deterrence, and yes, by threatening to use them if deemed necessary, by what else? Nuclear capabilities mean that you respect the security interests of the one having them at their disposal. The aggression of Russia was the result of the West violating Russia's interests again and again. It did not fall from the sky and surprised anybody.

>>512826584
It's insane to me how obvious Russian posters are. It's like they took classes on how to write annoying flowery bullshit. kys.

>>512826335
>fight to the last man
you spelled "use a false flag to start ww3" wrong somehow. And I agree, if Odessa is gone too and Ukraine is cut off from the sea you might as well go big.

>>512824732
You are wrong friendo. Democracy works like all other governments. Government wants something, people find out, government gets what it wants regardless of whether the people want it. In democracies we add another step or two here and there just so people can continue deluding themselves into thinking their government is theirs.

>>512823087 (OP)
Tie him to a Shahed and fire him at Moscow.
He's ready.

>>512823087 (OP)
What a dumbass. Anybody living there got already cubed, or deported to Siberia, and replaced by churka.

>>512825483
How many weapons do we need to give Ukraine for them to take Russia down with them though

Rate my plan:
>Redo elections in all of Europe under Russian supervision. Globohomo leaves if that is will of the people.
>Everything east of Oder formally part of Russia, as it has been since time immemorial (until Nicholas's mistakes).
>Copium supply to NAFO assured.
>EUSSR remains cucked.

>>512823087 (OP)
I did not know he was such a fat retard.

I am surprised he didn't suggest renaming the Ukraine to Xkraine.

>>512823217
>Referendum
If we follow this idiot, in 20 years a referendum in Europe will be to determine the new Ayatollah.
Replacement is as real as it gets. Democracy is shit in this case

>>512823217
The past is the past. Wars happen. People live there now. Should they never have elections again? At any point will Ukraine supporters finally admit that they do not care about "democracy" at all?