I want Europe to be in the Russia sphere to make global energy cheap again so I can get rich. I have holdings in several sectors that boom when energy is cheap. Change my mind without sounding like a bleeding heart pussy.

A lot of you are in the same boat as me whether you know it or not. Pretty much every sector except energy exporters booms when energy is cheap. Your fucking job would probably profit and give you raises. Pretty much the whole economy improves when energy is cheap

Well sell your assets and buy stocks in Tech and AI related stuff. That is the new gold mine. Energy will become more and more expensive regardless. So if you are going to bet on energy to become cheap again, you will lose everything.

Ok so hating Russia is just a feefees bleeding heart position. Glad we had this talk.

>>512857664 (OP)
>Change my mind without sounding like a bleeding heart pussy.
you must be some sort of retard who thinks angels are soft fluffly cherub looking motherfuckers
you're going to get torn the fuck up

>>512857664 (OP)
Cheap energy and lower costs bad for goy because Russia man bad
Dead industry and impoverishment good because Russia man bad can't do trade with bad russian man.
's simple as tha'

>>512857664 (OP)
*BANG*

>>512858436
New sources are found all the time. The only sectors that don't boom when energy is cheap is energy itself. You're just begging me to pump unproven bullshit. Nope. Fuck you. Keep those bags. Europe will cave soon. Buying American LNG is so ungodly expensive that Europe will have riots soon. Especially when cheap Russian energy is right fucking next door and the only person not giving consent is on the other side of the fucking planet. It's inevitable. The spice will flow.

>>512858574
Feefees. Gaaaaaaay.
Wanna see my gun collection :^) ?

>>512858706
No, it's just your mind fading to nothing and our problem dealt with.

>>512858758
Feefees. Gaaaaaaaaaaaay. The adults are talking.

>>512857664 (OP)
When Europe is in the Russian sphere, you will pay the Russian mafia to keep your money or life. All your richness will be transfered to the Russian Elite.
Better would be Russia is in the European sphere. A non corrupt goverment creates more money for a business than an Oligarchy.

>>512858831
This isn't a discussion. It's you dying for being a faggot who thinks he can rule us from half a world away for his own profit.

>>512858865
I don't live in Europe. Being in the Russia sphere just means buying their energy, Russia doesn't force clients to house Russian military assets in their county (like Uncle Sambo) as a prerequisite to buying their energy. You read too many Tom Clancy novels

>>512858893
But we do that all the time though????
Sorry Timmy, you're gonna buy the cheap Russian LNG and it's gonna revitalize your economy (no more need for immigrants) and you're gonna like it, bitch. Don't you want to keep England English?

>>512858641
You dont understand how engergy prices work over here. Energy prices has risen and risen even before there was any issues with Russia. I dont care if you keep your investments because its going to go down regardless. Does not matter if everyone became frens again. Energy will go up. And the reason why energy will go up is because of the policies around energy are what they are.
Here in Norway we have record high prices in electricity, oil, gas, alternate energy etc etc. Why is that? We are 100% self sufficient with energy. Should be cheap right? No. Its because of policies and politics and fees and taxes and bla bla bla. Same goes for the rest of europe. We could be given free oil and gas from russia, saudi arabia, china, the us, etc etc. It would not change a thing. Zero. We could build nuclear energy facilities and there would be a group of people who would focus on 5 apple trees close by that dries out because of the built, and gov will spend billions in making those 100 protesters happy before passing the bill onto the consumer.
So no. Energy will continue to rise and rise and rise.
An no. There will be zero riots of any means. Energy can rise 500% tomorrow and streets will be filled with people for a week or two, and then its all over and people will pay what they have to pay.
And russian oil and energy will not be a part of EU for generations. So if you think or bet your money on EU becoming a friend of russia again, you are living in a fantasy world beyond a fantasy world.

>>512859151
You will come out of your house one day and be shot dead from nowhere. There will be no cowbow high noon standoff like in your head. The culprits will be out of the country before anyone even realises what happened.

>>512859274
I'm the majority though lol. You are the hated minority.

>>512859170
Everything has a breaking point. You think people will accept infinite abuse but historically that's not how things work. Every nice thing Europe still has is a concession to you so you don't riot. Keeping out Russian energy not only defies the will of the people, it defies the will of the market itself. You cannot ignore these forever.

>>512859529
No retard. The majority do not support Russia taking over Europe again.

>>512859020
What you mean isnt Russian sphere but Europe-Russia trade normalisation. Sphere always means influence like Georgia or pre-2014 Ukraine.
And i never wrote military, but Russia exports Russian Mafia or Oligarchs.
You should read more books maybe Tom Clancy novels to increase your level of reading/writin skills.

>>512857664 (OP)
lol lmao

>>512859582
Buying Russian energy so that Europe can actually have industry again will naturally give Russia significant leverage over Europe with or without mafia tactics. Now we're just arguing over semantics.

>>512859581
The majority want to keep Europe European. But you will need native industry to do that. And you're not getting native European industry back until you buy Russian energy. The masses are slowly seeing this to be the case. It is you that will be in the unmarked grave soon enough. I am the soul of the European Phoenix. You are the jew.

>>512859860
>I want to profit off of Europe being under a Russian boot
>You are the Jew

>>512859987
>giving you the resources to have a real economy again so you can be sovereign
>"under a boot"
Meds.

>>512860053
Fuck off and fix your own collapsing shithole.

>>512860105
>reeeeeee nooooooooo, i want to stay poor and totally dependant on Uncle Sambo!!!!!!!!

>>512859529
What you are talking about is a perfect world. Problem is that it dont exist, and especially over here. Europe is a part of the world that is filled with restrictions and not innovation and logic. That is why companies over here struggle bigtime and most companies listed on stock exchanges are non investable compared to The US where same type of companies can rise and become massive.

That breaking point is very far down the road fren. When the pipelines from Russia were blown up and energy prices jumped, and gas was record high and everything was record high, people yelled for a few weeks and then it was over. Then people accepted it and paid for overpriced gas.
Everything within electricity over here is crazy expensive. It is almost $1000 a month if you have a small house, and people pay it.

They even say here that energy will become more expensive. And the main reason for it is because we are going to save every single country beyond our own borders and part of the continent while things fall apart here at our own doorstep.

>>512859860
No, we are not argueing over semantics. Russian energy isnt without alternatives. See how Europe didnt frooze to death.
You think a common good like energy gives enough leverage to call it an influence sphere. Maybe if it was the only source like Romania or Hungary have.

>>512860546
There is no economy without affordable energy. The price of energy is the economy. They are one and the same. You cannot fake an economy without energy. Something will give soon enough.

>>512860727
The "alternative" is 500% more expensive. That's not an alternative, that's a hostage situation. The European economy is literally shutting down.

>>512859860
Germany + Russian energy will cause anglo dominance to diminish. That’s why poland is getting all the gibs. The only reason poland exist is to hamper russo/germanic trade

>>512861078
Yuuuuup. It's also why Poland is allowed to kick out Muzzrats. It's all about making the Morgenthau plan real.

>>512857664 (OP)
Europe should invest in nuclear power, electrification, breeder reactors, reprocessing, carbon capture, desalination, electrolysis, synthetic hydrocarbons, etc. instead of relying on imports.

>>512860839
It will not come from Russia tho. That much I can guarantee you with 110% certainty. Leaders are stepping on so many toes world wide at this moment that it is either going to become a full blown WW3 in Europe again (I believe it will), or we will have different countries in the world, perhaps saudi arabia, that would be the new solution. It most def will not come from Russia. That ship has sailed.

>>512861232
Nukes are real. You're not going to war with Russia lol. Only your politicians hate Russia. Your citizens are indifferent and just want cheap energy.

>>512861227
Cyber punk fantasy. Your economy is dying in real time. There is no time for these fantasies. You need a real source of energy yesterday

>>512861339
Well they are kind of doing everything to end up in a war. We dont have big brains running things over here I can tell you that much.
Cheap energy would be great, but everything has just risen for consumers and it will continue to rise. Its because politicians regardless of who we vote for will make it more expensive. Its a part of their ideology. Energy is one of the biggest ways to gain tax money. And taxes are tattooed in each and every leaders mind in almost every single country.

>>512861911
Oh yes, I know there is no political solution. But you can't give people nothing and expect them not to revolt. I get why you think they'll take infinite abuse but you're not understanding how much worse things can still get. And they're heading there fast until Europe can buy affordable, abundant energy.

>>512857664 (OP)
I just want cheap gas

>>512862248
Of course you do. And it's hilarious to hear people say it's more complicated than that. Europeans are like anyone else. They just want to make money. So do I. Nobody cares about Oinkraine or all the Putler rhetoric. That narrative is just put out there as a plausible excuse for your politicians to fuck you. Nobody buys it.

Also, denying Russia the ability to sell energy to Europe only deepens the ties between Russia and China which will only accelerate European economic collapse.

>>512861561
These technologies have existed since the 1940s and 1950s. The "too slow, too expensive" argument had been used since the 1990s, if not earlier.

>>512863703
Yea, because it's still true

>>512857664 (OP)
The era of fossil fuels is gone, dumbo. Get with the program, vatnik.

>>512864527
Absolute tranny tier delusion giga cope.
I self identify as energy independent.
I'm not actually energy independent but I identify as energy independent XDDDDD

>>512863984
No it isn't. Only solar and wind fags think that it's true. Meanwhile, just the grid upgrades are costing £35 billion between 2026 and 2031. France and Norway have cheaper bills than Germany and the UK.
If you want cheap energy now, the North Sea has plenty of oil and gas, but due to retarded market mechanisms, it is first exported to the market, then reimported at market price, which is much more than what it actually costs to produce, transport, etc.

>bleeding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
>lol

>>512858545
>memoryholes the jewish pricegouging by russia before NS2 got retired
kek

>>512864919
Nobody is interested in rescuing the zigerian economy from collapse, vatnik.
Go peddle your worthless fossil fuels somewhere else.

>>512864527
Actual retard. Fossil fuels are here to stay for the next few decades at the absolute minimum, and that's assuming trillions in investment for building replacements.
If you want to get rid of fossil fuels and biomass, then you have to understand and respect their benefits so that you can make effective replacements.

>>512865024
Russia were the ones that shut down NS2 well >>512865024
before it was blown up.

>>512857664 (OP)
>change my mind
No. You're literally compromised.

>>512865024
Russia shut down NS2 well before it was destroyed.

>>512865024
Yes, people use trade as a diplomatic weapon. This is known. You only get to decide who's values you align with more. Uncle Sambo will sanction you useless you do white genocide. Russia will sanction you if you help Uncle Sambo. Which sounds worse to you?

>>512864927
There is insufficient output there to reindustrialize Europe. Besides, you should want there to be several competing rival energy exporters fighting for your money, that's good for you.

>>512857664 (OP)
energy will not get cheap I'm sorry goy this is not how it works. prices go up or stay the same. they never go down.

>>512865146
See
>>512862865

>>512865146
>Pointing out that the economy relies on reliable, cheap energy makes you a Gazprom shill
kek

>>512865338
just look up the energy prices before it got cancelled.
russia tried to raise the praise with some turbine bullshit.
i pay now in 2025 less than in 2020
>>512865411
dont care.
with this turbine bullshit i lost every respect for putin

>>512865411
>There is insufficient output there to reindustrialize Europe.
I was talking about the UK specifically when I mentioned the North Sea oil. Europe can't reindustrialise on expensive imports.
>Besides, you should want there to be several competing rival energy exporters fighting for your money, that's good for you.
That's not how it works. We're exporting our own oil and then reimporting our own oil at market price.

>>512865662
>Respect
Feefees. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaay

>>512865424
Why is electricity cheaper in France than in Austria?

>>512857664 (OP)
You're fucking weird if you support steppeniggers.

>>512865678
Yes but even if you didn't do that, it would still benefit you to have rival energy exporters fighting for your money. It's basic economics.
>but they'll just make a cartel tho
They're in rival states, not gonna happen.

>>512865662
You still have some of the most expensive bills in Europe.

>>512865821
Feefees. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

>>512865797
because France bet on nuclear power and until recently got its uranium cheap from their former African colonies
Austria has jack shit

>>512865835
Private sector competition is generally good for the consumer, but some things (like energy) are natural monopolies.

>>512857664 (OP)
It sounds like you're still under the impression Russia is a global power. There is no "Russia's sphere", it can't hold anything beyond its own borders and its only "projected power" is oil money.

>>512865662
>i pay now in 2025 less than in 2020
you lying nigger
>>512865868

>>512865980
There can't be a monopoly when the sources are region locked. That means they are pretty much just a component of the states they live in.

>>512865908
Uranium is cheap even if you buy it from Canada, Australia, or Kazakhstan. Austria built a nuclear power station with the approval of the Austrian parliament, had a referendum after it was finished and chose not to use it, and then built a coal (now gas) power station instead.

>>512866014
>There is no "Russia's sphere"
they are still forcibly keeping some -stans and Chechnya and Georgia under their boot
but that's the extent of their power projection
the tatar-mongol's dream of letting his horse drink from the Seine will not come to pass

>>512866149
the referendum was probably influenced by Greenpeace or other 'environmental' organizations, i.e. the Kremlin

>>512857664 (OP)
Why are you framing it as if Russia are the bad guys? Russia are and have always been the good guys in this situation.

>>512866014
The entire global economy runs on oil.

>>512866186
Probably. It was still retarded to hold a referendum when parliament already approved the thing.

>>512866186
Nuclear is a fucking joke. It takes about 20 years to build a reactor and that's just 1 at a time. It's a fucking science fair project. It's not even going to ever get to 1/100th of the output Europe needs to reindustrialize. Only fucking redditors think that shit is viable

>>512866355
>retarded
most definitely, which leads me to believe it was influenced like I said
the world shit its pants after Fukushima, but Austria has neither the sea, nor earthquakes

>>512866071
The UK isn't like the USA, where basically every state has lots of oil. Even in the USA, each state is a utility monopoly and the attempts at creating competition just created a farce instead.

>>512866419
>Nuclear is a fucking joke.
Not when you live next to Russia
Poland is building a nuclear power plant as we speak, with Westinghouse reactors and tech
>It's not even going to ever get to 1/100th of the output Europe needs to reindustrialize. Only fucking redditors think that shit is viable
all I hear is
>buy russian oil and gas
lol, no

>>512866014
They have nukes. They're here to stay. Cry about it.

>>512866278
I'm not?

>>512866152
We'll see what happens between Trump and Putin later this month >>512808203 should be interesting

>>512866419
Russia and China build reactors in 4-7 years. South Korea build them in 10 years. France built 45 large reactors between 1974 and 1989. It was so fast that they had to create demand with some electrification of railways and heating.

>>512866617
It'll be a nothingburger at best.

>>512866580
They take literal decades to build ONE AT A TIME. You're actually overdosing on copium.

Oh and the global reserve of Uranium is like 100 years at CURRENT usage.
So you're a double retard. Congrats.

>>512866748
>please just buy russian energy, okay? Just do, no questions needed, just do it.
lol, no

>>512866748
https://whatisnuclear.com/nuclear-sustainability.html

>>512866633
>if if if maybe maybe maybe
That was then, this is now. Now they take 20 years.

>>512866825
No argument. I accept your concession of total defeat.

>>512866832
Yes, with theoretical reactors that don't yet exist.

>>512866835
China literally just finished one in 4 years. Nuclear power stations can have several built at the same time. It's what France did decades ago.

>>512866516
Ok, and? We're talking about countries

>>512866939
>33 pbtid sucking russian cock
there are no decision makers ITT, Ivan

>>512866939
Breeder reactors have existed since 1940s and 1950s. The BN-600 and BN-800 are in commercial operation.

>>512866952
Go move next to a Chinese nuclear reactor please lmao. Also, you don't have the industrial output of China because you have ultra expensive energy as is lol

>>512867048
With dismal output. You would need to make millions of them.

>>512867047
>even more no argument
I accept your 2nd concession of total defeat

>>512867008
>The entirety of the EU is one blob, while each state in the USA is definitely separate
>Coal in Poland is the same as oil in the UK
Retard.
The only thing that you got right in this thread is that cheap energy is important.

>>512867207
>I accept your 2nd concession of total defeat
you just can't stop winning in your mind, can you
lol

>>512867117
The Chinese aren't magic. They just use the same tactics as France of nationalisation, standardisation, and constant construction.
Cope more.

>>512867224
Nigger, you have completely moved the goal post. We were talking about a hypothetical monopoly made with a merger between a UK and a Russian energy exporter. A fucking fantasy in other words

>>512867343
Ok so conditions that would require a total revolution of the post WWII world order anyhow?

>>512857664 (OP)
There is a very long list of everything that is wrong in the world. But energy is outrageous, its criminal.

>>512867224
>cheap energy is important.
it is, but buying cheap russian energy is like importing cheap immigrant labor
it's profitable at first and everyone is happy with cheap shawarma
but then come the consequences

>>512867453
>"consequences"
>less jew influence from the Jewnited states of Brazindia

>>512867207
More like ~25,000.
https://pris.iaea.org/PRIS/CountryStatistics/ReactorDetails.aspx?current=451

>>512867642
Ok so an equally comical totally unobtainable number, cool

>>512867417
What? Nationalised energy isn't communism. France is a capitalist country.

>>512867453
I'm not advocating for importing Russian fossil fuels.

>>512867704
Cope more.

>>512867534
>>"consequences"
poverty, HIV, corruption, disregard for human rights, government in bed with criminals, the works
all those things come with russian influence
>>less jew influence from the Jewnited states of Brazindia
no amount of LGBT parades can match the shit russia brings with their 'sphere of influence'

>>512867713
Not what I said at all. You're really on fire with these strawmen. To get your county to be in a position to manufacture all these tens of thousands of breeder reactors lickity-split like you're proposing would require a fundamental restructuring of the whole civilization first

>>512867753
I know, I was making a general point about

>>512857664 (OP)
You are free to sign the contract

>>512867853
Wow, all that fits in a gas pipeline? Thanks for at least admitting the Jewnited states of Brazindia does indeed pressure Europe to be more gay and brown.

>>512867815
See
>>512867857

>>512857664 (OP)
what are you holding?

>>512868050
Name 1 sector that doesn't boom with cheap energy besides energy itself, I'll wait.

>>512867962
>Jewnited states of Brazindia
all this emotional wording lol
feefees much? Gaaaaay.

>>512868292
>not denying it
S E E T H I N G

>>512868327
denying what?
I already told you, no amount of negative US influence outweighs the shit russia brings
it's just a fact

>>512868500
>admitting the parameters of your cope were feefees from the get go
You lost

>>512857664 (OP)
>Change my mind without sounding like a bleeding heart pussy.
You literally destroy most of the infrastructure needed for cheap energy transit. Even if the war in Ukraine ends tomorrow you will not see pre wartime Good times in a long while, maybe 20 years if things are fast

>>512867857
>>512867962
Dumb retard. The number that I gave was for the entire world's energy consumption and ignored things like district heating and hot water in order to take into account inefficiencies like e-fuels and increased energy consumption in general.
If you want cheap energy now, then you build fossil fuels, but if you want energy to stay cheap, then you build nuclear power and hydroelectricity. You can build fossil fuels now and gradually replace them with nuclear power and hydroelectricity. Governments are in fact capable of building things if they decide that they want to.

>>512868167
petrol, utilities, renewables, and materials. are you holding transportation or consumer discretionary stocks?

>>512868559
you're the one using emotional language lol. Gaaaay.

>>512868167
Exactly.

>>512868650
>petrol
Relies on cheap energy.
>utilities
Rely on cheap energy.
>renewables
Make energy more expensive.
>materials
Rely on cheap energy.
The entire world economy relies on cheap energy

>>512857664 (OP)
Hoi will be a slave to the Czar and so will your children's children, and the Czar will seize your riches and you will toil in the mines until your body fails you.

>>512868648
More magical religious thinking from you. No, you do not, in fact, have the capacity to make enough reactors. You have hard output limits. Material reality says no. Go start a church for your insanity.

>>512868650
Petrol is energy.
Renewables were never about profit.
Utilities buy energy from power companies, they're middle men, they add meters and profit actually.
Materials have energy in their overhead, they profit as well.
Try again.

>>512868658
>not denying his cope is indeed feefees based and not economic
You lost. The US is factually kiked, spic'd and jeeted to high hell. It's fact. Cry about it i guess lol

It's only a matter of time before Germany realizes the people blowing up their oil line isn't actually their friend. The primary thing holding back European/Russian relations will (as always) be the Poles. The west has managed to keep them in an MK Ultra'd state of thinking it's still the 1980's and they are now a perfect, irrational actor for the west to sacrifice, just like Ukraine was. I used to stick up for poles when people would call them toilet cleaners, but they really do fuck everything up.

>>512857664 (OP)
Me too because Russia doesn't have much soft power to influence us and US is selling gas with 5x prices to european countries, we're getting scammed

>>512868992
Selling energy to a country that's using it to reindustrialize is implicitly an agreement to let them become more sovereign. Industry is political power.

>I want Europe to be...
I want russia to be scorched earth

>>512869537
An American with a brain. Very rare.

>>512869056
>No, you do not, in fact, have the capacity to make enough reactors. You have hard output limits.
Nuclear reactors are very resource-efficient. The parts are made on factory production lines and then the completed power station is built on site. You can start construction at several locations each year and move each stage (earthworks, foundations, concrete, etc.) to a new site each year. That's how France built so fast decades ago, and how Russia, China, and South Korea build fast now.
Governments are bad at innovation, but they are good at making the same thing over and over again.

sounds like a jew problem

>>512869682
>Nooo, we need to remain reliant on imports!
Retard. Industry is important for both military and civilian uses. Tourism won't build tanks and fighter jets.

>>512869682
We know, jew.

>>512869736
You do not have the GDP or natural resources to afford to both reindustrialize and also build revolutionary science fiction infrastructure simultaneously in a human life span. You have a few decades at best to fix your country. Not that you should even want your county blighted with thousands of hideous dangerous nuclear reactors anyhow

>>512868875
>>512869056

>petrol
oil producers lose money when oil is cheap to produce
>utilities
lower prices when energy is cheaper. govt controlled
>renewables
similar to utilities, they lose profit because there is more supply than demand
>materials
adjust profits as energy becomes cheaper, competitors can produce for cheaper.

i can provide examples if needed. but i think you both get the picture

so its transportation and consumer discretinoary. thanks

Imagine betting on cheaper energy when the future only demands more and more and the world is being cucked by green policies
lol
lmao

>>512870049
Utilities & renewables are a tiny totally insignificant portion of the economy.
You're just plain wrong about materials, basic supply and demand. They have always tracked with energy prices.

>>512870299
Investing in literally anything but energy is "betting on cheaper energy" because everything profits from cheap energy. Energy is the economy. They are 1 thing.

>>512870525
Not everything profits from cheaper energy retard

>>512870738
Yes it does. Except energy itself.

>>512870040
>You do not have the GDP or natural resources
Yes we do. Nuclear power is very resource-efficient.
>both reindustrialize
You need energy to reindustrialise.
>revolutionary science fiction infrastructure
Literally existing technology, retard.
>in a human life span. You have a few decades at best to fix your country.
That's plenty of time. You can even build fossil fuels first and then nuclear power and hydroelectricity second.
>Not that you should even want your county blighted with thousands
More like hundreds in the UK's case. ~25,000 is for the world's total energy consumption.
>hideous
Industry is not about aesthetics, and nuclear power stations don't take up much space compared to how much energy they make, unlike solar and wind farms.
>dangerous nuclear reactors
Nuclear power is the cleanest and one of the safest sources of energy.

>>512870872
That's current consumption. If you reindustrialize, you'd need to 4x that. Nobody wants to invest in this breeder shit when fusion is a possibility because it would reduce the number of reactors needed enormously. It's not gonna happen. Nobody is doing breeder

>>512870049
>oil producers lose money when oil is cheap to produce
No, since cheap energy means more energy consumption.
>lower prices when energy is cheaper. govt controlled
They skim profits off the top either way. When energy is cheap, their customers can handle more profiteering.
>similar to utilities, they lose profit because there is more supply than demand
Solar and wind make bills more expensive. They get paid either way.
>adjust profits as energy becomes cheaper, competitors can produce for cheaper.
Materials use energy as an input. When energy is expensive, their input costs are higher, which makes them less competitive. Factories and mining machines don't run on thin air.

>>512870802
I get the macro perspective you are trying to paint, but it's not the full picture.
There is industrial entities that are not directly tied to energy that does not profit from it. It's not completely black and white even though you are MOSTLY right.

There is long-term contracts that may be broken and technologies, grids and other infrastructure that can completely go under due to cheaper energy. And some may survive and see bigger returns in the future due to the cheaper energy, but it's not bulletproof.

>>512871137
>That's current consumption.
No, it's peak historical consumption, taking into account the energy of imported goods because we moved industry abroad.
>If you reindustrialize, you'd need to 4x that.
I'm not opposed to that, but you're literally making things up.
>Nobody wants to invest in this breeder shit
Russia and China are. Everyone was doing so a few decades ago.
>when fusion is a possibility
Fusion is decades away. Fission (both breeder and non-breeder reactors) exists now.
>it would reduce the number of reactors needed enormously.
Russia is building a larger reactor (the BN-1200), but that isn't finished yet, while the BN-600 and BN-800 exist now. Even the BN-1200 is closer than fusion.
>It's not gonna happen.
Only because governments currently don't want to build anything.
>Nobody is doing breeder
Again, Russia and China are. Everyone was doing so a few decades ago.

>>512857664 (OP)
The only reason l hate russia is their race

>>512871664
Infrastructure and grids are not going to go bankrupt just because energy got cheaper. The entire world economy relies on cheap energy.

>>512871664
Yes, there is always short term loss for a few specific entities that fail to innovate in a restructuring but you fail to consider my holdings could be things that simply profit from people just having more money in general as an inevitable, perhaps somewhat long term, outcome of cheap global energy.

>>512871743
It's a cool back up plan for the military. It's not a replacement for the energy back bone of an industrial economy.
You know how the main energy cost of a car is in making it vs the fuel it'll use?
Breeder is that phenomenon at scale.
It's thousands of times more resource and cost effective vs building a long fucking pipe. You do not have the GDP to swing this. It's a fantasy. A reddit fantasy at that

>>512872251
Cost intensive*

>>512871897
There is grids set up specifically for a certain type of energy and require maintenance from materials that lag behind heavily. It's a short term vs long term type deal, and we would have to get into specifics about what form of energy we are talking about as well. Most of the world operate on borrowed money and I don't think you realize how fragile it can be.
It's not given that every sector of the economy survives if one form of energy got super cheap over night.

>>512873176
For places that have 0 native production (besides cope solar or cope nuclear), it kinda is that simple.

>>512872251
>It's a cool back up plan for the military. It's not a replacement for the energy back bone of an industrial economy.
It's actually the other way around. Breeder reactors are rubbish for the military. They are good at making lots of energy and reducing reliance on imports.
>You know how the main energy cost of a car is in making it vs the fuel it'll use?
Which is why electric cars are retarded.
>Breeder is that phenomenon at scale.
No it isn't. The scale and resource and efficiency gains are far different.
>It's thousands of times more resource and cost effective vs building a long fucking pipe.
Pipelines are built because they are very efficient at transporting large amounts of liquid or gas. Nuclear reactors (especially breeder reactors) are very efficient at turning small amounts of fuel into lots of energy.
>You do not have the GDP to swing this.
Yes we do.
>It's a fantasy.
No it isn't.
>A reddit fantasy at that
"Nuclear power bad" is a reddit opinion.

>>512872763
Concrete and steel are some of the most common materials in the world.
Fossil fuels are for cheap energy now, then nuclear power and hydroelectricity are to keep energy cheap in the long run.

>>512873176
Yes, you can put a nuclear reactor in a car or a tractor, but reliable cheap electricity isn't going to short a grid, unlike solar and wind.

>>512874209
*can't

>>512873326
Without going into voodoo economics any more. I can only see the demand for global energy surpassing supply in the foreseeable future because of the human element, sanctions, wars and green policies.

But hey, I'm just a guy on the interwebs, what do I know.

>nooooo you have to buy russian shit
Once russia splinters in many little states it will be very easy to buy their resources

>>512874698
>There's no need to make energy cheap because we will definitely balkanise Russia. Two more weeks bro!

>>512874698
ETA?

>>512857664 (OP)
I want Russia to be in the European sphere of influence.

>>512874698
>*gets nuked*

>>512874128
Well this is all about right now. You don't have long to reindustrialize and you truly must, it's the only way you keep your sovereignty.

>>512874476
Yes, there is already a shortage, that's why it needs to be unrestricted

>>512875225
Well you don't export finished goods or energy so it's not gonna work that way.

>Russian sphere
Hey asshole. I know you're a Jew, but imma say this anyway.

Europe has the best soldiers on the planet. You can shill your "muh gay" shit as long as you want, but we both know you wouldn't say that in front of an SAS/KSK/FSF regiment.

The best forces in the world. Even the US SOF admit that. Europe also has nukes, aircraft carriers, submarines, satellites and the technology is advanced enough.

We will rather die than live in the Russian sphere. We don't need the US. We are more than capable defending ourselves. You invested wrong. Cope.
https://youtu.be/JF4ra7LVdaI

>>512875442
This is about trade. There will be no hot war. Neither side can advance.

>>512875285
Again, a few decades is more than enough to quickly reindustrialse now using fossil fuels first and then build out existing technology second.