Thread 512895356

The situation for the evening (Moscow time).
Ukrainian bloggers write that the Ukrainian armed forces are trying to transfer some troops from the Sumy direction in order to try to stabilise the frontline
By the time they get there and are deployed, the situation is likely to be catastrophic for Pokrovsk and, subsequently, for the entire Ukrainian-occupied part of Donbas.
There are no defences there at all, they were unable to build them because of the actions of Russian drones, which destroyed any construction equipment in the construction zone. Zelensky is throwing in new meat to defend the fields. Literally a human shield.

Okay, all right. What about the Sumy region? The British press wrote that an assault force is being formed there and a huge amount of equipment for the upcoming assault, which will probably begin if the negotiations fail.

What does the NATO general staff in Belgium think about this? The Ukrainian army is fighting under their direction, on their standards, and using their prepared intelligence.

>>512895356 (OP)
Jews need to do more rituals and this War will turn to Zelensky's favor

Holy fuck i wish to live in a time where i dont have to hear about neither xoxlostan or pidorashka again

All the spam just makes Russia look desperate.

Looks like the Russians have gotten them self in to a huge cauldron. Expect massive losses on the Russian side

>>512895356 (OP)
None of that was even strategically relevant and billions of russians died for every millimeter of dirt

>>512895356 (OP)
14:1 bros...

>>512895577
There is a major shift of the front, do you expect people not to talk about it?

>>512895356 (OP)
>That close to Novoalexandrovka
You gotta be shitting me, is this pro-Ru or pro-Ukr mapping?

The 12th "Azov" Brigade (1st corps) of the National Guard of Ukraine (NGU) has been redeployed to the Novyi Donbas-Stepy-Rubizhne line in an attempt to contain the chaotic situation east of Dobropillya.

Literally Zelensky's personal guard. Russian soldiers are only too happy about it. The Russian army does not take Azovs as prisoners.

>>512895796
Maybe if there wasn't 3 years of "major breakthrough, front is collapsing!" spam constantly, people might actually believe you and maybe even care.

>>512895796
It doesn't really matter at this point, you've destroyed your entire military to pray that you can break through eastern Ukraine.

>>512895796
to that muttoid, this war is only words
in his mind, there is no distinction between talking of defeat, and actual defeat

>>512896148
LMAO AHAHAHAHHAA

>>512895356 (OP)
THE SNAIL GROWS

>>512895356 (OP)
You failed to account for the mouse trap my sweet vodka child.

>>512895801
AMK is pro Ukrainian.

>>512895356 (OP)
>Ukraine says small Russian unit passed defenses near Dobropillia but denies breakthrough claims

The headlines are incredible. They broke through, but didn't.
Ukraine won't admit this until everything starts to collapse.

>>512897354
And to elaborate, Russian mappers are not showing these developments at all, only divgen shows some movements in Rodynske.
It's all Ukrainian mappers from Ukrainian Telegrams and sources like Deepstate. Russian sources are weirdly quiet.

>>512897228
The classic Stinky Brap Trap. You just can't get over it until it's too late.

God I can't wait for uhg drone gore fags to disappear forver

Honestly I can't wait until Ukraine gets destroyed so shills and retarded /k/opers shut the fuck up for good

>>512896148
Good so we can stop sending them money since Russia's army has been destroyed.

Keep an eye out for US and Danish troop "accidents"
15 dead

>https://www.rt.com/russia/622814-russian-strike-foreign-fighters-ukraine/

>>512896033
The same operation they did in avvidivka withdrawal

>>512898884
In Avdeevka they were covering the retreat routes, now they are way up north hoping to prevent breakthrough over there near Belozerske and Dobropolie. Which can prove fatal to Pokrovsk defenders, if Russians manage to shift their center of gravity towards Rodinske/Hrishino.

>>512895751
There's a lot of rare earth minerals in that area, which now belongs to Russia instead of America.

>>512899464
There was only one rare earth mine in ukraine and it went dry 50 years ago.
If there are rare earths in ukraine they arent economical to mine.

All reports of rare earth minerals in ukraine came from 60 years old questionable soviet surveys.

>>512895356 (OP)
The goal of Trump is to get a ceasefire, and then Europe (not America) move troops into Ukraine, in an attempt to prevent the war restarting.

Ukrainians are done.

>>512899315
I think you can assume correctly that they have elements that will be blocking the north and covering a withdrawal with limited counterattack. Depending on the on the ground situation it could be a worse withdrawal of in fact the breakthrough in the north is supported with heavy mechhized and armor. In avvidivka they only had unimproved roads here they have several improved roads to use but those are probably completely under fire control.

>>512898780
Now that is Jewish levels of nitpicking. And we haven't sent anything substantial in almost a year, you want more money? Get a job. You want our tax dollars put to better social uses? Stop voting for maga republicans to bling up the white house.

>>512899464
Too bad they'll never be able to make use of it. This war will stretch on for several more years, which is longer than the russian state has left

>>512898780
Oh I didn't even notice your irrelevant flag, yeah in your case money sent to kill Russians is a better investment than serving tax gibs to Eskimos that want clean needles to shoot up with.

>>512899464
>>512900267
>oil refineries in russia proper explode nightly
Surely the most sanctioned country on earth will be able to operate strip mines in an active war zone. Think of all the resources they can sell for pennies on the dollar to absolutely no one.

i guess now we know why the russians were bombing all the train stations in that region all of a sudden.

ukrops trusted trump now they die

how mad are the russian jews and their children who escaped to america ? like that fat ugly jewess

>>512895577
Russia is advancing on every front, NAFO troon.

>>512895356 (OP)
you don't understand geopolitics.
Take a look. That has been your influence. Now cut away a lot of your cake the last 30 years. The guys in Belgium don't begrudge you the bombed-out Donbass. Ethnic Russians live there anyway - poor bastards.
If they had told me in 2010 that 80% of Ukraine would become European, I would have laughed out loud. Of course, the scenario is unthinkable, but you failed it hard. It wasn't enough for the whole of Ukraine, you failed Kiev. Now you just storm the donbass against a 30km fpv death zone.
80% of Ukraine + Russia used up all Soviet military stocks.
I would even go so far the guys in Belgium party every night.
so geopolitically, especially now that you've lost the south caucasus as well as syria. strange to see people who just don't see how hard russia is being taken from behind. kek

>>512900932
not every night and not every one
there's a surprising number of ziggers in my friend group
mind you my friend group isn't very representative
Personally I'm glad that I could give the man I was name after who probably died in Ukraine during the 1943 summer fighting a proper tribute by having russians blown up
je offer voor je Volk zal geëerd worden

>>512900643
Are you dumb? Biden was president when this shit swung into motion

I'm sick and tired of this faggy war. I hope Trump curbstomps both you stupid pathetic faggots.

No wonder hohols and trump are begging Russia for peace. I hope Putin doesn't cuck out

>>512895356 (OP)
stinky status?

>>512897597
god save them from the 11th tooting braphogs division

>>512900188
You are incoherent wwxk

>>512895356 (OP)
Do it Borris. We're all waiting. What's taking you so long? Waiting for the e-scooter to charge up?

>>512901477
Trump was the only one to send offensive weapons during his first term, its fair that they considered he'd be more willing to send more. The jews do have control of Trump but they were satisfied with the Iran limited war and will allow him to pull the plug on Ukraine. Zelensky is the only one who has ruined the chances of receiving any more equipment from trump.

They have broken through but can they exploit it? With drones it is impossible to mass armour to exploit a breakthrough and enter manoeuvre warfare. It's pretty bad but I don't think it's front collapsing for Ukraine. I do wonder when/if Ukraine will attempt to pull out of Prokrovk. They have a habit of staying too late.

The timing couldn't be worse for Ukraine. Putin is also going to play the we have 350k men encircled in Prokrovk and we will save them for a ceasefire to trump like during Kursk. Zelensky cannot withdraw Kramatorsk or Slovyansk both militarily or politically.

>>512902938
They just need to finish the encircled city. Whether they can further exploit depends on the situation in the north. If you see they are beginning to push through Lyman first in the northern forest. They will consolidate porkroast and intensify the offensive towards siversk imo.

>>512896062
Dude even Azov are tweeting shit like "Major breakthrough" and "catastrophic" and "front has collapsed". Maybe if you nafo faggots hadn't spent the last three years pretending Ukraine is wiping the floor with Russia while losing ground every day I wouldn't take this as a sign the war is just about done.

>>512896033
>The Russian army does not take Azovs as prisoners.
lel still butthurt over how Azov ruined the invasion by holding Mariupol for so long?

>>512895796
You can only talk about it and spam /k/ when NAFO is winning

>>512903364
Yeah man it sure did suck having them hold up in one city while they took half if Zapp, and for what? To be a pain in the ass for a while? What in your mind did they accomplish besides a propaganda victory

>>512903478
Winning what?

>>512895356 (OP)
Z.

>>512902165
I'm sorry you have a reading disability

>>512903518
>Russia being forced to redirect tons of forces for months to try and take Mariupol didn't affect anything else!
Why are ziggers so delusional? Russian commentators are less delusional than the average /pol/ zigger

>>512903364
they're probably seething cause azov are le epic nazis

>>512903609
I could read the words fine, but they had no coherence and resemble rambling about things that don't matter and conflating non correlating subjects

>>512903259
>uh acshully my twitter shill pages say some rando empty farms mean some thing
no one gives a fuck you retarded zigger

>>512903708
How will they spin it once a peace deal is made and all they get is some clay when they were supposed to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine? Clay is not the same as defeating racism and bigotry in Ukraine!

>>512895577
This would be a pretty significant event in the war, it's basically a collapse of the front. They have no reserves so they need to take other troops from the rest of the line leaving it undefended... in the face of an impending offensive. Eventually this would have happened one way or the other. I've heard estimates and Ukraine's own intel agency or defense ministry say they can only last until the summer and it's about that time.

>>512900932
>>512901323

Ukraine lost. Cope harder. Also all EU leaders are criminals and anyone who supports them is a brainwashed retard NPC.

>>512897751
>implying they won't just pretend it never happened, that they never believed those things, and seamlessly move on to whatever the next reddit cause celebre that they can be sassy and annoying in service of is
This is a personality type

>>512896062
It's like 8km long and 3 km wide. It's a nothingburger

>>512904315
Kiyv in 14 days nigger

>>512903913
probably the same as every government does
>this is what we wanted anyway, the good guys win again!!

>>512903673
Its was a siege, they just waited them out and they surrendered. I'm not sure what you are implying they held up. A brigade?

Ukraine lost when they fell for the Wagner ruse in bakhmut. Waste of resources

There were only 11,000 troops between them and Moscow

Bakhmut slog gave Russia critical time to rebuild its army at the cost of a bunch of prisoners

>>512900932
what a retarded take.
Crimea was the Crown Jewel, and NATO lost it in 2014. The rest of Ukraine is irrelevant, the Donbas is the fortress, and it is about to fall. Russia doesn't need to take the rest of Ukraine to have won strategically.
The remaining Ukraine will not be in Europe, and if it ends up being, it will just be a black hole that will accelerate the collapse of the EU.
You idiots don't realize that you are vassals, and as such your purpose is to serve empire, that means if we want your industries, they will relocate state-side, like they have been because your own politicians shot themselves in the head with sanctions. Energy prices go up, empire offers a better deal, corporations relocate out of Europe. This is literally happening in your "country", and I do that deliberately because you haven't been an independent country since April 1945.
As far as depleting Soviet stocks, the only stocks that have been depleted are the Soviet stocks from the former Warsaw pact, plus a good portion of NATO stock. Russia probably hasn't even used 30% of its Soviet stock. Not to mention they have the industrial capacity to scale up production to replenish their stocks. Their only limitation is the work force, which they can easily supplement with, for example, North Korean slave labor.

NATO generals have been proven to be wrong, they got excited with Kharkiv in '22 but got literally taken to school by the Russians in '23 with fucking textbook Soviet tactics.
It seems every other generation, retarded Europeans go bash their heads up against Russia at the behest of the international jewish banking cartel, and all that ends up happening is the steppes get fertilized with white people's blood.

>>512895356 (OP)
Don't worry they got their bargaining chip oh wa-

>Ukraine will collapse for real this time
I'd probably believe you if I haven't heard this like 10 times before already

>>512903806
>No one gives a fuck
You obviously do care alot

>>512905569
>5 important cities are simultaneously under siege
>Their main defensive line is getting flanked
>ITS A NOTHINGBURGER!NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!

ukraine is about to decisively lose the battle for Donbass.They are attritted and if you nafoids would had paid attention instead of making up cope narratives you wouldn't be surprised that the war is eventually reached this stage.

the russian has a mongoloid head

>>512903923
Hardcore hopium. This is not a war winning event. It's a very bad event for Ukraine but it's not a front collapse. Because of the suppression and lack of armored vehicles the Russians won't be able to fully exploit the breakthrough. It's going to be like Ocheretyne again.

>>512905920
This plus, all this nonsense about Russia running out of people is clearly just lying.

>>512906000
>Because of the suppression and lack of armored vehicles
wait till you find out the meta is now motorbikes and small infantry groups, shit works
apcs are basically out, makes sense

>>512902938
Lmao. This is precisely why every British lead and planned op was a complete disaster. Drones are merely ATGMa with slightly longer range. And given that this was a 16km breakthrough from the front the Russians are PASSED the primary drone units locations. This is why the blocking blocking troop (12 azov who blocks the blocking troops) has been deployed >>512896033 this is an absolute code red that has to be met with a mechanized force or the limited break through will become maneuver warfare and ukraines army will melt away mostly through desertion. But here’s the thing, if the 12th azov takes significant losses then they’ll be unable to fulfill their role and again ukraines army will melt away through desertion. VERY dangerous break, and it’s not clear what reserve exists to plug this gap.

>>512906412
anon they also had to pull those troops from Khrakiv, we're about to see some shit the next few months

>>512895356 (OP)
>What does the NATO general staff in Belgium think about this?
>Alexus Gregory Grynkewich (call-sign "Grynch")
The hope is probably that putin will show weakness and fall for the west again.

>>512906412
the main problem for russia is I'd assume that it doesn't seem to have commited the armored fist it's own doctrine calls to be pushed trough within 24 hours after a break trough at the latest.
it can take and hold with it's light elements but in order to turn this into fully mobile warfare it needs mechanized units that can operate without outside artillery and drone support.
still very bad for Ukraine but not war ending in and of it's self

>>512906228
I remember a year ago when Russians started using motorcycles nafoids made fun of it.I tried to explain to them why it makes sense but they just wouldn't listen.Now they are eating their words, like always.Its like how they mocked Russian cope cages then it becomes standard in the war used by hohols as well.Then they mocked the Surovikin line then they got broken by it and tried to replicate it and failed lmao.
These people just always end up wrong and looking stupid.

>>512906770
Its better to let us look stupid than to correct us

>>512906733
>I'd assume that it doesn't seem to have commited the armored fist it's own doctrine calls to be pushed trough within 24 hours
probably, I expect a localized collapse, maybe dontesk falls but no marching on kiev unless Ivan pulls it out of his ass
>>512906770
I'm a zogbot, I'm pretty sure our SF uses motorcycles and now we're all realizing "Oh shit cavalry's back" I heard russia made a dragoon school focused on bikes like it's 1831, it's heartwarming to my /his/ heart
shame about the ukie men but I will enjoy their women, Russia will too.
have you seen those hairy tanks? I wonder how western tanks will adapt this if we will at all
[spoiler]we haven't fucking adopted mass drones like china, russia and ukiraine [/spoiler]
I'm so not renlisting after this shit, china is gonna pack us up if we don't get our shit in line

desu, in 30 years when this shit is all over, I hope we can all travel to the battlefield and just look at at it all.

>>512895356 (OP)
It's over...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Mb2T1qRhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjc1V9mZN2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVN32QrZeis

>>512906733
>russian doctrine calls for mechanized units to be pushed through a gap.
Missing a rather important point here: USED TO. See doctrine has changed quite a lot through this war, and infantry on dirtbikes are capable of bringing sufficient weapons to shred mechanized counter attacks. (FPV drones are more than capable ATGMs and MUCH lighter). Couple this with the empty battlefield created by massed standoff fires (this is ALL still in range of Russian artillery cover) and mobile infantry is 100% the way to go to exploit this breakthrough rapidly.

The game has changed quite a lot and basically all major militaries out there don’t seem to understand the lessons here:
>shotguns are must haves
>fiber optic drones are must haves
>very small unit tactics are critical
>communication devices must be at the individual troop level (as teams will be one to two total)
>cope cages need to be on EVERYTHING and way thicker than you think
>motorbike assault teams are critical engagement units
On and on. Tons of lessons that the empty battlefield has provided but no one seems to be paying attention. The Is militaries response was to teach soldiers how to mount trash on a stick to try and counter FPVs….

>>512906469
We are in for an interesting couple of days (and if Putin doesn’t cuck out in Alaska, in for an interesting few months!)

>>512895577
back to the front kike

>>512907390
>shotguns are must haves
>fiber optic drones are must haves
>very small unit tactics are critical
>communication devices must be at the individual troop level (as teams will be one to two total)
>cope cages need to be on EVERYTHING and way thicker than you think
>motorbike assault teams are critical engagement units
Thats really some cyberpunk ghetto shit.

>>512901807
Uh oh!

>>512907170
>have you seen those hairy tanks? I wonder how western tanks will adapt this if we will at all

Yeah but i don't see much Nato adaptation at all.They are too invested to the narrative of ''everything that Russia is doing is retarded/dumb''.I have seen very high ranking Nato military people talk about how Russians are just mass assaulting ukrainian lines and ukrainians run out of ammo from ultrakilling Russians and that's how Russia can advance and similar things.Nato leadership is stuck in WW2 and Desert storm.Eventually they implement some stuff that they saw Russians are doing but they won't change their main doctrines.Like i saw how the US made copies of Geran drones lmao.Doubt they will mass produce them though.

>I'm so not renlisting after this shit

How long you still have to serve?You might get fucked if Nato/US escalates in Rus-ukraine or China-Taiwan.

>>512900267
How does the war stretch on for years when Ukraine is out of manpower? The Russians just rode through 3 lines of fortifications on motorbikes.

>>512907844
5 years, I got one more, it's national guard shit not active anymore
just want that last year to get a VA loan
I haven't seen any US drones mass produced yet, my intel guys tell me we're doing it but in the meantime buy your own chinese drones to practice with

>>512906412
>it’s not clear what reserve exists to plug this gap.

NONE NIGGA, EVERYBODY DEAD ALREADY

>>512895356 (OP)
Zigger cope

>>512895577
>>512895751

>Make total unverifiable and ridiculous claim Russia is losing 14 men to every 1 Ukrainian
>Spam said propaganda all week
>Significant, tangible battlefield events take place that both show just how badly Ukraines state of attrition really is (literally entire holes of unmanned front lines) and how strong Russia stands in contrast (they still dictate when and where all action on the frontline takes place).
>"ThE SpAM mAkeS RuZZia loOk deSpErSte!!"

I think you'll find it's quite the opposite friendo

a quick victory is just around the corner for russia a couple more sons for the old mans war

>>512903806
>No one cares that's why in responding to you telling you how much I don't care
Kek

>>512895610
That’s not a cauldron.
That is a break into weak enemy lines.
The frontlines are busy fighting while orc hordes storm their rear destroying supplies and gaining new firing positions.

A cauldron is a slow accumulation of offensive firing positions around a defensive position

>>512895356 (OP)
How many piggies are stuck in Pokrovsk?

>>512908328
They saw what it looks like when the west is allowed to plunder russia in the 90s. And to this day, they haven't brought all the oligarchs installed by the west under control. Therefore, I don't think this kind of propaganda will work on them.

>>512908053
>5 years, I got one more, it's national guard shit not active anymore

Yeah don't renew that shit.Something will likely go down in the next few years.

Pokrovst
then Kramatorsk
then...?
I keep hearing about this being the last line of defense before the Dniepr
but I remember people talking like that about Bakhmut years ago too

>>512907585
zerglings are goated even late game

>>512907390
it has changed but not as much as you think it has.
those light elements work by probing again and again until they find a weak spot and then apply pressure there until it gives. if they are check while exploiting they will have to start probing all over again at that point they are just light infantry again and the risk of a collapse is averted. still fucks the ukrainians on the tactical but no longer on the strategical level
a proper mechanized force can commit to direct assault if it starts to be checked during the exploitation. it might be costly but it can keep it's moment going.
it's the same as with the Ukrainian counter attacks they found a weak spot, poured trough and ran rampant until checked.
FPV's can't replace armor or IFV's on the offensive because they have different jobs to do.
you need to dismount to use them, it takes set up time, the drone needs to get to the target, survive EW and hard kill and that saps momentum. Armor can put down fire on the move and a ATGM is a lot faster to bring into action when you dismount.
Nor can russian artillery provide massed support at those ranges unless they've pre-positioned a lot of their longer ranged guns to support the attack.
the russian artillery park has been struggling to make up for it's heavier, longer ranged gun losses. A lot of it now is older and towed guns number of barrels wise. those can still reach but you'd have to bring them right up to the pre break trough contact line. the break out base isn't wide enough the provide them the space they'd need to stay safe. Providing air support so far in is also very dangerous due to the saturation of manpads and co. glide bombs are nice for static targets that don't relocate. But it takes to long to get them on target to keep up momentum.

>>512908480
>That’s not a cauldron.

Pokrovsk is about to become a cauldron though.

>>512905164
>by the Russians in '23 with fucking textbook Soviet tactics.

Could you go into depth with this or give maybe a youtube vid link?

>>512908480
Anon, its a couldron. Trust me i recognize it on a map when i see one. This is gonna be bad for the Russkies

>>512908723
Yeah that is another one for sure!

>>512908660
>Pokrovst
>then Kramatorsk
>then...?

Then they basically lost the battle for Donbass and the Russians move for Pavlovgrad,Zaparozia and Dnipro but by that point ukraine(Nato) basically lost the war.

>>512898813
>Keep an eye out for US and Danish troop "accidents"
>15 dead
Haven't seen a Blackhawk crash in a minute

>>512908761
it's the failed summer offensive
US advisors got very gungho on trying the surovikin line without proper air support.
as a result the attack got bogged down in mine fields and russian rotary aviation had a great time picking off armor that got stuck and wasn't properly supported.
it wasn't pretty but also wasn't on a massive scale.
it did produce that one picture of those tanks and IFV that got hit in the same area that got spammed to no end for over a year

>>512908911
How long will that take? Another three years?

>>512908660
>then
Dnipro
Kiev
Lvow
Warsaw
Berlin
Stockholm
Paris
London
Washington, DC

>>512908911
>Then they basically lost the battle for Donbass
true but that's not the end of the war
russia hasn't taken any city with a pre-war population over 70k. It also want Kharkiv with a pre-war population of over 2 million and to get to Kherson never mind Odessa or Kiev they will have to cross the Dnieper again and this time there will be no coup de main to take a bridge intact.
is it will still end with negotiation, russia will get more but not everything. unless ofc it commits to those things

>>512909098
yeah

>>512909098
>War is linear
no wonder you lost the war in the colonies

>>512909098
ukraine is way too attritted to fight another 3 years.They are increasingly incapable of just holding their lines and Russians are going to go around their defences more and more.
It looks like the war could be going back to a war of movement.

>>512895577
> All the spam
I'm genuinely interested in that information. Our mainstream press is reluctant to cover the situation.

>>512909225
They won't need to cross the Dnieper. They can invade via Belarus and connect with Transnistria, cutting Ukraine in half.

>>512909225
they don't need to, they just need to grind ukie young men to literal dust and there is no resistance anymore in major cities
like how Germany in 1918 despite it's last offensive collapsed

>>512908761
Not that guy, but artillery spam and strong surface to air defenses.

NATO has always been like, unguided munitions and are so last millennia, We're going to win the war purely with precision guided missiles that cost $1 million each. It worked against goat fuckers in the Middle East, so it works against everyone! Who needs air defenses when we got a strong air force!

And then starting from 2014 they started training Ukraine in "modern NATO warfare". Then the Russians arrived, and NATO was like, holy shit we can't produce enough $3 million Patriot missiles to shoot down the Russian ballistic missiles that have the guidance system of a Game boy and costs $10k each.
Holy shit our F-16s are useless, they can't even approach the Russian borders without getting shot down.
Holy shit our defenses are useless, they just artillery spam the entire city.
Holy shit we're running out of precious HIMARS missiles against an enemy who has more than a few hundred tanks and artillery!

NATO was used to fighting goat fuckers where they had more precision guided munitions than insurgents had equipment, and this just doesn't work against Russia's scale of production.

There is a reason why the German Gepard AAA are so highly valued in Ukraine. They use good old anti-air cannons to shoot down drones. Munitions are cheap and available in the hundreds of thousands.

>>512895751
> None of that was even strategically relevant

>>512908660
>I keep hearing about this being the last line of defense before the Dniepr
There are a ton of large cities on the road from Bakhmut to Kharkiv - Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, Izyum, etc. - places where AFU troops have been able to dig in and hold out against Russian advances for months, and before that Bakhmut served the same purpose to prevent advances from Horlivka.

There are no large or even medium sized citizens between Pokrovsk and Pavlohrad - it's all sparsely-populated, low-density villages with lots of wide open farms and yards. Nowhere to dig in or bunker up; basically it's just ~100 km of undefendable highway.

If the Russians push through Pokrovsk in force, the AFU's withdrawal has the potential to become a rout.

>>512909225
>russia hasn't taken any city with a pre-war population over 70k.

Melitopol,Mariupol probably a few more if we don't count the large cities that they just annexed without fighting like Donetsk,Luhansk or Simerofol.

If ukraine lose the Donbass they also lose most of their army there.They can ofc organize some half assed units to defend their big cities once the donbass falls but if they can't hold the flanks in the fields the Russians are just going to encircle those cities and take them eventually.
This war was always going to be decided in the Donbass.That's where the two army is fighting it out and that's where on army is going to be destroyed.

>>512909337
all they'd have to do is admit defeat and fall back on a shorter more defensible line
I don't see it happening but they can do it
also finding this break trough took several months of constant probing and pressure. even when it becomes more frequent it's still going to take russia a lot of time and a lot of losses
>>512909380
going via Belarus would mean shifting a lot of troops and attacking trough swamps that the ukrainians have been turning into a giant mined quagmire for 3 years. the only way to go around those is to attack right near the Polish border and then you are just one "fuck up" away from art.5 being invoked. plus Lukashenko doesn't want more russians on his spoil because he doesn't want to get pushed aside.
still better then trying to force a crossing but not exactly a swim in the park

Taking territory shows just how desperate monke and Russia really is. They are losing 500 men to every 1 Ukrainian drone.

>>512896033
>an attempt to contain the chaotic situation east of Dobropillya
They're kommisars sent there to shoot retreating Ukrainians.
They'll never see a Russian.

>>512909830
The issue is Ukraines northern border is completely undefended west of Kiev. Mines are not enough to stop a potential invasion. Also going near the Polish border is risky, but as long as threats are managed Poles won't be able to article 5 their asses out of a few stray rounds.Maybe the Hungarians can get parts of western Ukraine during the panic as well.

>>512909830
>all they'd have to do is admit defeat and fall back on a shorter more defensible line

An organized retreat from a critical position is one of the hardest military maneuver to pull off.
They need discipline,equipment,organization skill,deception and political will to pull it off.Surovikin could do it, but the ukrainians can't.

>also finding this break trough took several months of constant probing and pressure.

Yeah attritting the enemy and looking for weaknesses, now they are attritted and out of reserves while new Russians reserves are still waiting to join the battle.It will still take a while but expect more of this in the future.

>>512909809
>Melitopol, Mariupol
my bad but those sill don't compare to the karkiv
>If ukraine lose the Donbass they also lose most of their army there
not really they have some important units there but there's enough left to keep up the fight on a shorter line and that would assume that all those units get completely wiped out witch won't happen.
>eventually
is idd the key here russia has the larger population ect. so if it keeps applying pressure long enough it will break ukraine eventually
but can russia keep up that pressure for eventually longer
>>512909397
the problem with that is that as their forces get reduced they will be forced to leave a lot of open terrain uncontested and take up better defended positions
the previous and currently breached lines are solid lines, but it's still just open fields.
there are half a dozen tributaries of the Dnieper they can retreat behind if they want or need to
until now they have been fighting for every inch of land.
they have plenty of fight left in them if the rationalize their lines

>>512910247
>An organized retreat from a critical position is one of the hardest military maneuver to pull off.
>They need discipline,equipment,organization skill,deception and political will to pull it off.
I remember reading a really interesting account about the Byzantine army that was able to pull off an ordered retreat, and the amount of times the commanding officer was praised for his leadership in navigating the retreat was very revealing.

>>512910141
>northern border is completely undefended west of Kiev
It's one giant swamp, they've blown up roads and bridges, build strong points and sewn it all with mines. it would take very little forces to hold it.
>the hungary delusion
look that's been going around for over 3 years now but the moment he goes for it his ass is toast it's very unpopular in hungary never mind what the rest of Europe would think of it
>>512910247
>An organized retreat from a critical position is one of the hardest military maneuver to pull off.
they have done it before no grantee it would work now ofc. but even if it's a route plenty of men and a decent amount of equipment will get out
>attritting
it's not so much about attrition as just going in over and over again. trying to find just the right place, the right approach, tiring out the defenders. attrition plays it's part but it isn't how it works. and besides if they pull back on a shorter more rational line never mind if it's behind a river then you have to start all over again. because it takes a lot less men to hold that and it's a lot harder to get probes and assault groups across
most of russia's on paper reserves are also conscript formation or formations that are used as palace guard. committing them is a political move that the Kremlin would prefer to avoid
if it's manpower was doing so great the enlistment bonuses being offered wouldn't keep going up and up

>>512910340
>not really they have some important units there but there's enough left to keep up the fight on a shorter line and that would assume that all those units get completely wiped out witch won't happen.

Most of the ukrainian army is in the Donbass and the units there are also their most experienced and best equipped.ukraine are almost completely out of reserves while Russia just prepared two new armies ready to get deployed.The military balance have already shifted against ukraineIf they lose like 25-50% of that army in the Donbass its over.

>but can russia keep up that pressure for eventually longer

They can, but its a matter of willpower now.Is Putin going to cuck in Alaska?

>>512909330
Funny, cause line warfare is why they lost. They made two lines out in open fields and one line reloaded and the other shot. Absolute retardation. But the bankers had to kill off the excess goy some how.

>>512910556
I mean compare how Surovikin managed to pull out the Russian army from certain defeat in one day without losses to how the US fucked up their Afghanistan withdrawal.If they can pull it off its a sign of competent military leadership.The Byzantines have a well organized army so they could pull these things off.

>>512911031
>Most of the ukrainian army is in the Donbass
by raw numbers, no
by elite units, yes
but again they wouldn't be losing all of those even if it goes completely tits up for them
again those two armies are mostly conscript formations. those can be deployed but the Kremlin could have deployed conscripts for the past 3.5 years
when a few died at the start of the war the Kremlin apologized
there is a political cost to deploying them and the Kremlin hasn't been willing to pay it
those two armies are also by all reports and indications very under equipped
like having just the couple of vehicle to do a company level exercise with for a nominal battalion
>willpower
not just willpower there's also the state of the economy "winning" the war but crashing the economy is just as dangerous for the Kremlin as losing the war
and every month long that the war goes on they have to sell a pound of flesh more to the best korean and the chinese

>>512911098
linear warfare was the logical conclusion due to limits of technology of the time.
there wasn't any communication faster than a mounted courier and due to the rate of fire cavalry was still a very real danger so more compact formations where needed both to allow the commander to control his force and to allow it's units to defend them selves.
gunpowder smoke is also a bitch and after a couple of round individual targeting becomes a right old bitch so group fire was needed
there was also the problem of keeping the men in the fight and again tight formations allowed the officers to control their men

>>512905920
"to the last hohol" isnt a bug, it's a feature

>>512911379
>in one day without losses
it took weeks of planning and there where certainly losses
I don't see how you get phone signals floating down the Dnieper with out a human floating devise during a full on evacuation

>>512910992
>they have done it before no grantee it would work now ofc. but even if it's a route plenty of men and a decent amount of equipment will get out

You mean the Russians did it, what the ukrainians are doing most of the time is not an organized retreat but a disorganized one or often a chaotic one like in Avdeevka.

>Its not attrition its probing

Its both.Obviously the Russians are constantly probing and looking for weaknesses on the tactical level but ukraine on a strategic level is also getting exhausted and attritted so those probings get more and more effective.

>most of russia's on paper reserves are also conscript formation or formations that are used as palace guard.

No, i heard they set up two new armies from the contract troops.Thats around 150-250k.The Russians don't seriously use the conscripts for any military activity, they are just there to get future recruits for their contract army.

>if it's manpower was doing so great the enlistment bonuses being offered wouldn't keep going up and up

I tell you something now, the biggest manpower loss for the RU army is not from KIA or WIA but from contracts expiring and soldiers going home.Most contract soldiers sign 1 year contracts IIRC.Russia needs keep increasing the pay to constantly get new recruits or convince veterans to come back.

>>512895356 (OP)
Oh shit they captured like 20 fields. I guess this time it's finally over for Ukraine.

>>512895577
>All the spam just makes Russia look desperate.

>>512896033

is this like reaching 1945 berlin levels of desperation if theyre using those kinds of units?
gimme it to me straight russian anon
is there just thousands of miles of empty space between kiev and donetsk right now after these fronts are unalived

>>512912172
>Even though Russia despises every single American and actively seeks to divide and destroy you, I'm going to shill for them anyway.

At least Ukraine doesn't attack my country. so by default I hope they win.

>>512906733
Armor has become a vulnerability with the advent of drones.

>>512911513
>those two armies are also by all reports and indications very under equipped

I heard different.I started hearing about this two new formation like half a year ago and i heard that they are getting kitted out with new equipment like ne T90M tanks and stuff.If this was conscript trash they wouldn't even be talking about them.

>Economy

At current rate it looks like the EU economy implode way earlier than the Russian economy.The Russians are expertly balancing out their diplomacy,military operations and economy, i never expected anything like this.Cuckler is cucking to victory lmao.

>>512911932
>it took weeks of planning and there where certainly losses

They planned it for weeks then they executed it perfectly.Their losses were so minimal that its speculation territory without much sources.

>>512911999
>You mean the Russians did it
the ukrainians did it at Bakhmut and that one was just as rushed and forced as this one would be. I can understand being arrogant but that's the kind of shit that got the russians stuck in this "SMO" for the past 3.5 years
>Its both
they do feed into each other but you won't magically start getting more breakthroughs
even if they keep the same lines it will still take a lot of probing and pressuring parts of the line to get an other one.
If the ukrainians pull back and rationalize their lines then it's back to square one
> i heard they set up two new armies from the contract troops
that wouldn't add up between the numbers of contracts being singed, the number of troops already engaged and the estimated losses
>contracts expiring
if the war was going so well and there were so few losses they wouldn't need to keep upping the (re)-enlistment bonuses. those veterans would know that the risk isn't that high and would be willing to sing up again for more or less the same fee

>>512902938

They have almost 15000 men surrounded. Their frontline sabotage groups are way behind enemy lines, and taking pictures of city squers 30km behind the enemy lines. It's the same thing that happened to russia year ago, when Ukraine attacked 30 km inside Russia and russians had to admit they fucked up and make a containment zone like 70 km deep and hundreds of kilometers wide, because of breach through was so devistating. This might much bigger, because of the surround of the ukrainuan troops and because Russia has so much military troops and equiptment there, which wasnt withvthe ukrainians a year ago.

>>512912782
>the ukrainians did it at Bakhmut
>Ah, yes one of the most elegant tactical withdrawals of the ages.
I really don't get how a former soviet army keeps falling for the cauldron over and over again.

>>512913042
knowledge falls off extremely quickly, the soviet era ended 35 years ago. It's like how the burgers has to use olympic shooters to train their snipers because all the army guys had fucked off

>>512895356 (OP)
azog is saving the day zigger. just sit back and wait they're cooming

>>512896033
Didn't they take them as prisoners in mauripol and then made a deal with turkey releasing them all back in 5 months?

>>512912281
they aren't at 1945 Berlin levels more 1942-43
>>512912381
vulnerability doesn't make direct fire any less important while trying to keep momentum
if for every threat you need to halt, dismount, set up engage and engage again due to the failure rate your momentum will be bled out of your unit. a breakthrough lives of that momentum not a positive exchange ratio
>>512912433
>ne T90M tanks
lets be honest her the T-90M is modification of the T-72 russia doesn't produce new T-72 hulls
it's at best doing 250 a year and that's with nice good condition hulls
those where reactivated first, they aren't restoring those anymore so 250 is a very high estimate
you aren't equipping those 150-250k men even is all new production since the war had been going just to them.
never mind the IFV's, support vehicle, artillery ect.
Also keep in mind that Ruskvardia are also getting their share of the new porduction
>At current rate it looks like the EU economy
yea lol and we will be freezing this winter for sure.
>The Russians are expertly balancing out their diplomacy,military operations and economy
no, just no if they whee capable of doing so they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place
and they'd not have left those hundreds of billions in fund in the West
>>512912687
>perfectly
it was executed well, but you claimed that surovikin was able to do it all in one day planning and all and the retreat took monger than just the one day the russians had been pulling out elements before the final day
losses are speculative by nature in an active war but considering how long it took before the units pulled out on the last day where back in the fight they took some serious loses granted how much of it was during the retreat is speculation

>>512912782
>the ukrainians did it at Bakhmut

They just lost the battle and got kicked out.Their best retreat was in Severodonetsk but they lost a lot of heavy equipment there.

>I can understand being arrogant but that's the kind of shit that got the russians stuck in this "SMO" for the past 3.5 years

I just remembered that Nato had some kind of summit just a few days before the war started in 2022.They knew that its going to happen and they were in a celebratory mood.They have been smelling their own farts and getting high on it.They pretended that it already happened and they are about to win it.Now fast forward to 2025 and Nato is getting militarily outproduced by Russia and Nato is in an existential crisis because they overinvested to ukraine.

>they do feed into each other but you won't magically start getting more breakthroughs

ukraine gets weaker, their deployed manpower shrinks,they won't be able to properly man the front and there will be more and more breakthroughs like what just happened.Its not complex.

>estimated losses

Yeah the Russians aren't going to tell us that and the Nato side is obviously lying about it so its a moot point.

>if the war was going so well and there were so few losses they wouldn't need to keep upping the (re)-enlistment bonuses. those veterans would know that the risk isn't that high and would be willing to sing up again for more or less the same fee

These are poor people who go to war for 1-2 years and get back from the war as new middle class people.They are happy that they come back and are managed to climb the social ladder, they need extra convincing the rejoin.
Anyway, as i said the biggest loss of manpower for Russia is expiring contracts, that's really saying something.

>>512895356 (OP)
>if the negotiations fail
what's the point of talking with Zog? unless you demand the surrender of all of Europe

>>512913042
>>512913418
political pressure to defend everything and the desire to make the most of build up areas to grind down russian forces
they know that they are being enveloped but every day longer that they hold they can use that position to take a blood price form the russians
that's where the risky bit comes in timing your withdrawal or for the russians timing the closing of the cauldron

>>512895796
Wasn't the goal to overwhelm Pokrovsk? Why go in the opposite direction?

>>512901703
>I hope Putin doesn't cuck out
cucktin has to make peace soon. He can't fight a forever war on his border.

>>512913584
Yes, in exchange for jewtin's buddy lol.

>>512914076
They probably just discovered a gap in the defenses and exploited it, anon.

>>512914025
erm, ackshually, ukrainians aren't surrounded. Ziggers are double-surrounded

>>512913807
>lets be honest her the T-90M is modification of the T-72 russia doesn't produce new T-72 hulls

Well i remember from 2023 that there was talk about how Russia restores/makes around 1600 tanks a year.That probably increased by now.They could equip the new army with modernized T72 and new T90Ms.
Russia is clearly making tons of new/restored stuff but they aren't sending them to the frontline units so they go to their reserve armies.We haven't seen much mechanized or armored activity on the frontline lately.

>yea lol and we will be freezing this winter for sure.

There are record bankrupcies in Germany because their economy can't compete without cheap Russian energy but sure keep coping.

>but you claimed that surovikin was able to do it all in one day planning

No, i said that it was executed in one day, didn't said it was planned in one day lol.They moved out heavy equipment before but the main withdrawal was done in 24hours.

>>512903589
the battle for trans rights.

>>512913821
>got kicked out
the manged to pull out their forces in good order and set up lines just a few km further
I remember the fall of Bakhmut being this great fatal defeat for ukriane and the herald of the return for mobile warfare
only for the russians to probe those positions taken up by the units that evacuated and trying elsewhere
>Nato had some kind of summit just a few days before the war started in 2022
it's 2022 summit was in late june so idk what you are talking about
> 2025 and Nato is getting militarily outproduced by Russia and Nato is in an existential crisis because they overinvested to ukraine.
hahahahha, no just no no
Europe is producing 2.5m shells, 200+spgs and as many tanks plus triple that at least in IFV, APCs and amraps
the US and Europe is producing something like ten times the planes that russia is. never mind all the other munitions and the navy
russia can't even launch a tug for it's navy without it sinking
>and there will be more and more breakthroughs
more is in taking just 3 months instead of 15 weeks of constant probing is practically the same. You are still looking at one or two per campaigning season.
it would take at least an other year before there's a bigger impact.
>its a moot point
not really we have a pretty good idea of how much the ukrianians over claimed armor losses due to visual confirmation ect. the rest of the systems it claims to have destroyed are in line with how much they over claimed their armor so we can extrapolate into personnel losses claimed by them. those numbers match pretty closely with both russian leaks and other indicators and sources.
those numbers will still be off but it gives us a rough estimation of the number, good enough to know that the russians certainly don't have a quarter million contract soldiers in reserve
russian claim on the other hand oh boy, they've shot every Ukrainian plane down at least twice now
cont.

>>512914025
>the risky bit comes in timing your withdrawal or for the russians timing the closing of the cauldron
It's almost like you don't know how they work either. They don't close them, they leave them open so that it looks like you can get out. By the time infantry start breaking into the city triggering a withdrawal, the pre-designated escape route is under artillery cover and being remote mined. It's a bit devious, and if you were new you might not even expect it but they keep repeating this shit and it keeps working. I just don't understand how a former soviet army can keep falling for it unless they really are being controlled by some retards in Langley or wherever they do this shit.

>>512913821
>as i said the biggest loss of manpower for Russia is expiring contracts, that's really saying something
that's not very likely
estimated losses and the number of contracts being singed are pretty close.
>>512914330
great just make shit up I didn't say
>>512914428
>that there was talk about how Russia restores/makes around 1600 tanks a year
that's reactivation not making or restoring them takes a lot less work, a lot less skilled labor and a lot less equipment
and again they are pretty much out of tanks they can take from storage, the ones that remain will be the ones in the worst condition or that have already been raided for parts
they is no way they are still doing those numbers
>We haven't seen much mechanized or armored activity on the frontline lately
the fun thing is the reduced activity matches fairly well with the observed losses, the more they lose the less they use
>record bankrupcies in Germany
2008 still takes the cake it also behooves me to point out that russia is most likely having a record year tough we can't know for sure because the bankruptcy rate is now a state secret
when they have to hid it it's not because it's good
but some of the secondary data is still available and you can model those kinds of thing quite well
as for the gas, Germanies problem was dumping nuclear
Poland is till growing fine, France isn't doing any worse than before the war heck even Spain is living it up
>managed to pull out the Russian army from certain defeat in one day without losses
it can go both ways but we can both agree it wasn't without losses

>>512915464
I wasn't I was making fun of NAFOtroon cope

>>512897598
4u

>>512914870
I know how it works, I've seen the same footage and read the same articles as you have
and as I've already pointed out in my response to your post. the army is under pressure to keep those cities for as long as it can for political reasons
it isn't the army falling for it is them being told to hold for longer then they want to hold them

>>512915603
that looks extremely painful

>>512914850
>Bakhmut being this great fatal defeat for ukriane and the herald of the return for mobile warfare

Yeah i can't remember anyone who said that, its just dishonest nafo people strawmanning.
Bakhmut was important because it was the first battle that Russia won since the ukrainian victories in late 2022 and it since Bakhmut Russia won every battle.

>it's 2022 summit was in late june so idk what you are talking about

Maybe not an official summit but they had constant meetings before the war.I remember how happy they were in 2022 feb and the next few months, they thought that they are winning bigly lmao.

>Europe is producing 2.5m shells, 200+spgs and as many tanks plus triple that at least in IFV, APCs and amraps

Bullshit lmao.European re armament failed already.The UK have no SPGs and most EU armies lack artillery because they sent almost all to ukraine and can't replace it.
Nato itself admitted that Russia is outproducing them in relevant military equipment.

>more is in taking just 3 months instead of 15 weeks of constant probing is practically the same.

You are pretending that you don't understand attrition war and where it leads.The Russian army is growing bigger and its getting better equipped and more experienced while the ukrainian army is whittled down and shrinking.Eventually there will be more and more breakthroughs like this and the ukrainians will lose more and more of their equipment.
The biggest losses in a battle happens when the losing side starts routing.

>Losses

The ukrainians claiming they destroyed 11k Russian tanks and over 1 million Russian casualties yet whenever there is a dead exchange its like 50:1 to the Russian's favor.

>>512895577
You obviously don't follow the war because if you go look at the map this is an actual breakthrough and everyone predicted this would eventually happen as Ukrainian manpower is in critical condition.

We are at the acceleration stage where everything starts to unravel at a quicker pace.

>>512915464
>estimated losses and the number of contracts being singed are pretty close.

The hohols are estimating around 1000 loss every day.It doesn't matter if its campaign season or freezing cold and no activity on the frontline they just slap 1000-1200 to their daily reporting.

>Tanks

I would bet that while their tank stockpile went down their production of new tanks went up, just like with everything else.

>the fun thing is the reduced activity matches fairly well with the observed losses, the more they lose the less they use.

They doesn't seems to need tanks to breakthrough ukrainian lines anymore.Tanks in their current design is just an obsolete concept and need heavy re designing.

>Economy

Its not just bankrupcies,heavy industry in the EU and especially in Germany is rapidly dying, this while at the same time they are trying to re arm to fight Russia lmao.Germany is the heart of the EU, if they fail the EU will fail.The UK,FRA is also doing badly.
The Russian economy only recently started doing not great while the big EU economies are in a stagnation/small recession for awhile now.Also Russia have a lot of reserves to keep going while the EU economies are heavily indebted.

>it can go both ways but we can both agree it wasn't without losses

Yeah i guess a guy dies during retreat from a heart attack or something.

>>512915656
Fair enough. I just know a lot of people look at the map and think it's still open for retreat or re-supply when it's not the case.

>>512895577
So much this.

>>512916020
>whenever there is a dead exchange its like 50:1 to the Russian's favor.

Ukie just stay on their positions or fall back why would they go out to collect russian corpses

>>512905352
"We want this territory we have no troops in at all because they all died"

Is this the fabled jewish IQ we keep hearing so much about

>>512916020
>dishonest nafo people strawmanning
you can just go look at the archive
>since Bakhmut Russia won every battle
the ukrainians have won several of their raids quite decisively
>Maybe not an official summit but they had constant meetings before the war
well if you remember it then perhaps you can find a source for it, you seem to know your way around nato minutes
and from NATO's point of view this is unmistakably a huge win. Russia has been bleeding for over 3 years and they haven't had to get directly involved. and it's also given them time to start working on their own shortcomings that the war has exposed while russia has to struggle just to keep up with it's SMO
>Nato itself admitted that Russia is outproducing them in relevant military equipment
what you are referring to is Rutte trying to scare up more funds for even more arms production.
Europe is producing as many shells as Russia is and will keep growing it's capacity until at least 2027
russia's shell out put has been stable since 2023 with the emptying of it's ammo reserves being covered by deliveries from best korea
you can bitch all you want but you can't deny Europe's shell production
>You are pretending that you don't understand attrition war and where it leads
I understand perfectly what it does and where it leads. But it's been over 3 years and russia has gone from one breakthrough per campaigning season to one break trough per campaigning season. just a bit more attrition isn't going to lead to breakthroughs every other month
>getting better equipped
that's just fantasy land sorry but it just is
they have lost access to a host of electronics and censors for their vehicles
domestic production isn't as good as imports that why for instance they used to buy french thermal sights
>dead exchange its like 50:1 to the Russian's favor.
because russia is advancing it can recover more of it's own dead

>>512895577
The funny thing is Ukraine was the first one to report the breakthrough.

>>512917037
>Boomers and Gen-Xers that are still living in the Cold War

>>512909460
Only believe what shlomo says,
The truth is irrelevant.

>>512916900
>The hohols are estimating around 1000 loss every day
there's a good amount of fluctuation on those and it matches the intensity of combat as per footage from both sides quite well
>production of new tanks went up
the problem is that russia can't make new T-72 hulls and hasn't since 1992
so no it can't make new tanks
>hey doesn't seems to need tanks to breakthrough ukrainian lines anymore
you don't need them to force the breakthrough you need them maximize the exploitation that follows. You need mobile fire power.
>Germany
it's nice that you shift focus, again and ignore the problems in russia, again
but Germany isn't the only country in the EU and there's plenty of heavy industry outside of it
all you are doing is repeating talking pints you've heard without seeing anything to back them up
russia has had an interest rate of over 22% for over a year and half now
do you think that having a 22% interest rate is just not doing well?
that kills you economy. people can't buy homes, businesses can't get loans, you cant loan to start new ones heck even buying a car becomes a nightmare if you can't buy it cash
>>512916939
I understand

>>512907390
>The Is militaries response was to teach soldiers how to mount trash on a stick to try and counter FPVs….
You are pretty much dead when you hear them, so swatting them out of the air is essentially a giant "fuck you" to the drone.

>>512908676
You are MASSIVELY behind. And thats why NATO is losing this proxy war.
>it has changed but not as much as you think it has.
Its completely different
>those light elements work by probing again and again until they find a weak spot and then apply pressure there until it gives.
No. Those are the LEAD combat elements. In he empty battlefield it is NOT company vs company. its man vs man.
>if they are check while exploiting they will have to start probing all over again at that point they are just light infantry again and the risk of a collapse is averted.
Hilarious. This is why blitzs only go 5 km max right? Hitting the rotating elements in transit prevents them from counter attacking the breakthrough.
>still fucks the ukrainians on the tactical but no longer on the strategical level
Again, the empty battlefield is one where you send a brigade but only a platoon reaches the front. Truly a meatgrinder starting some 100km from the battlefield and getting more and more intense as you approach the LOC
>a proper mechanized force can commit to direct assault if it starts to be checked during the exploitation. it might be costly but it can keep it's moment going.
As has been shown over and over again, no. The vehicles get disabled by drones/arty and the attack is over. See 2023 counter attacks field of destroyed NATO vehicles. Small dirtbike teams KEEP going even with loses because ANY hit is basically a guaranteed loss.
>it's the same as with the Ukrainian counter attacks they found a weak spot, poured trough and ran rampant until checked.
No, No its not. Ukraine used a blitz strategy (build up forces at weak point and exploit the gap, single decisive move);whereas this is more of a deep battle style (attack everywhere, somewhere gives, advance in region, rinse and repeat)

>>512895356 (OP)
It doesn't matter. To the last Ukrainian. All Russians must die. No surrender. Your children should be dismembered.

>>512908723
>grok what's the range of a soviet d-20 howitzer? d-30? Msta-B? Giatsint-B? Pion?
FUUUUUUUUUU

>>512919275
you just know russia is lining up the artillery as we speek....

>>512908676
>>512919062
>FPV's can't replace armor or IFV's on the offensive because they have different jobs to do.
No they Allow dirtbike infantry to replace IFV born infantry
>you need to dismount to use them, it takes set up time, the drone needs to get to the target, survive EW and hard kill and that saps momentum. Armor can put down fire on the move and a ATGM is a lot faster to bring into action when you dismount.
LMAO, this aint Iraq pal. engagement distances for armor are measured in tens of meters.FPV drones allow the bike infantry to interdict armor up to 20km away.
>Nor can russian artillery provide massed support at those ranges unless they've pre-positioned a lot of their longer ranged guns to support the attack.
See this is why youre out of date grandpa. NO ONE is using massed artillery. Artillery is more like a huge sniper rifle these days
>the russian artillery park has been struggling to make up for it's heavier, longer ranged gun losses. A lot of it now is older and towed guns number of barrels wise. those can still reach but you'd have to bring them right up to the pre break trough contact line. the break out base isn't wide enough the provide them the space they'd need to stay safe.
Ahh the NATO barrel ware cope. Still firing tens of thousands of rounds daily. After three years!
>Providing air support so far in is also very dangerous due to the saturation of manpads and co. glide bombs are nice for static targets that don't relocate. But it takes to long to get them on target to keep up momentum.
And those MANPADs are most effectively deployed by....INFANTRY.especially mobile ones. Further you are showing you complete lack of understanding of Russian IADS. S-3/400 forces planes lower. mid range Tors force the enemy to fly nape of the earth. Cheapo MANPADs kill. And glide bombs can be on target within 1 minute, it all depends on what assets are where when target is identified.

>>512908976
Lmao, the cope
>With proper air support it would have won!
No, it was doomed the minute they decided to YOLO a minefield. No amount of CAS will stop them from being bogged down and slaughtered. THAT was the time to try for Kursk.

>>512917233
Been that way for ALL of Pokrovsk. The first to report Russians reached the outskirts? Ukraine. First o publish video of Russians in the center? Ukraine. First to publish this breakthrough? Ukraine.

Guess Russia learned to shut up about it positioning. Took em long enough.

>>512916796
A breakthrough doesn't sit unmoving for 72 hours while everybody talks about it.
From the time this event was reported to now, the Germans were over the Sedan and surging towards the English Channel. That's a breakthrough.

This is just business as usual in this war. But it's triggered a 1pbtid hysteria for the past 3 days because your paymasters are desperate for an internet victory parade ahead of Friday's summit. Where's the geolocated footage, the drone images, the panicked soldiers and war correspondents telegram? Dead fucking silence except an endless parade of shit threads where you minimum wage cheerleaders try to spin a snail on a map into some epic turning point in this 3 year humiliation ritual for the Russian army

>>512903998
Kek