Thread 512920367

>>512920367 (OP)
Where are all these jobs that have been "created"?

>>512920367 (OP)
the money is hyperinflated, there is nothing else left to store value

>>512920420
McDonald's
Wal-Mart
Home Depot

>>512920367 (OP)
Its all fake jew monopoly money

Stocks aren’t going up. The dollar is going down.

>>512920420
Miggers lied, turns out voting for a senile retard just because it owns the libs isn’t any better than voting for a senile retard just because it owns the chuds

>>512920367 (OP)
Stocks aren't going up: your money is just going down.

could it be related to this?

>>512920367 (OP)
I called it during covid, we are at the point where the real economy is divorced from stocks. There is no actual valuation for stocks based on reality anymore, just feelings and numbers for rich ppl to trade money around to each other while siphoning corporate profits. No one has ever explained to me why stock markets even have to exist since they are a jewish invention

>>512920367 (OP)
Because traders like me are buying them because we know that everything's just going to keep going up and that's the secret that I have to tell you. Just get into some American solid good returns stocks and buy

>>512920596
That when the "repo markets" got the c00f?

>>512920571
it's better for Israel.
They're making out like a bandit this administration
Grabbing what they can from Trump before everything eventually collapses

>>512920367 (OP)
The stock market is forward looking and is anticipating the economy not being dead in the nearish future (more than 2 weeks).

>>512920420
lawn mowers and fruit pickers from the illegals who left

>>512920367 (OP)
Oligarchs looting.
It was the same under Biden, honestly. Hyper inflation, everything going to shit, Democrats saying it's a good thing because stonks go up.
Now it's the same shit, except the Republicans are in charge and everybody now needs to switch sides because faction loyalty is more important than opening our fucking eyeballs.
It's pretty clear that America is just a whale fall. You know what a whale fall is? When a whale dies, sinks to the bottom of the sea, and then all the nasty hagfish and various creatures come and eat it's fuckign carcass.
America is the whale, the rich are eating the carcass, and then telling us this is good actually because the richest and cuntiest have full bellies.

>>512920902
this is proof that guns defend your rights

>>512920367 (OP)
Numbers go up when the dollar goes down

>>512920367 (OP)
When the dollar becomes worth less, what happens to an asset that's valued in dollars? It becomes worth more dollars.

Anons will marvel at how a loaf of bread was worth 200 billion Reichsmarks in the Weimar Republic. The economy there must have been fantastic!

>>512920367 (OP)
>Implying the government wouldn't consider implementing a secret centralized economy for the benefit of the elite, and a low maintenance workforce.

(((WINNING)))

>>512920596
Money velocity is more important desu, though that seems to have hit a peak 2 quarters ago and has gone down again recently.
For post-covid the M2 money velocity peaked at 1.389 in Q4 last year and is down to 1.385 in Q2. It's above Q2 2024 but below Q3. Prior to Covid it was a pretty consistent decline Q3 2010s post-depression peak of 1.744 down to 1.437 in Q4 2019.

>>512920367 (OP)
who told you stocks are indicative of your quality of life ?
like, how are they linked. US stocks is a system that was design not to fail.

>>512920367 (OP)
it's fake maymay numbers :D

>>512920442
>>512920525
>>512920590
These. Keep in mind they all know this, they know the markets are divorced from reality, but they have no choice at this point. Once Powell is gone you're gonna see some real shit.

>>512921105
No, it doesn't matter

>>512920367 (OP)
Because automation went up. All the rich people are making bank, because their robots took over.

>>512921179
>they know the markets are divorced from reality
Tesla was valued at being worth more than the entire US auto industry put together. Judging a company's health based on its stock price is like judging a person by their zodiac sign at this point.

>>512920571
This senile retard is doing way worse than the other one though, turns out that tariffs, isolationism and pissing off your trade partners does not work for an administrative economy that barely produces anything locally that isn't corn syrup

>>512921179
theyve always been divorced from reality

look at japan, that's a prime example with the yen carried method of trade

>>512921463
I mean he just illegally bombed Iran for nothing. Does anyone think he will do anything sane?

>>512921105
I bet you thought you said something smart here. The velocity of money is a factor, but far from the major one.

>>512921463
"pissing off your trade partners"

you mean making them stop looting us? all those tarrifs they kept in place on us for years, orange nigger got the balls to stand up and address? you talking about those? making europe pay for their own goddamn military and gear also?

>>512921533
I literally don’t care. If it was a nuke site, good. I don’t want nons getting nukes. If he decides to go further than that, I might give a shit. Honestly we should have declared war on Iran when a bunch of their spies got outed in our own intelligence branches.

>>512921179
Nothing ever happens

>>512920367 (OP)
>we get rid of 2.2m people
>still have net growth of ~400k jobs
the economy is literally booming

>>512921708
Isn't that just a case of people responding that they are native instead of foreign when questioned? It's not like it's legally binding. If the population actually declined that'd be one thing but it didn't. In fact YoY the civilian non-institutional population is up 5mil. and the labor force is up 2mil.

>>512921583
>you mean making them stop looting us?
A trade deficit is expected and normal for the richer nation, otherwise the exporter would get nothing out of it
Do you think a store would sell you anything if they didn't get a profit margin out of each sale? No, that would be retarded
And what you get out of it is the ability to pay for goods in dollars, which you might have forgotten you can print an infinite number of

>>512921583
now you pay high prices and your government keeps part of the money and you'll never see a benefit from it

>>512921952
don't expect an American to know anything about the economy

>>512920367 (OP)
They are still trying to recover from the prior trump dump.

>foreign flags seething
your time is over. the US is unstoppable.

>>512921952
No it isn't. Explain why america had a trade surplus before the 70s when it was the richest and most powerful nation.

>>512920367 (OP)
>The economy is dead, so why are stocks going up?

Trump is hell bent on killing the dollar and pumping assets, the whole kerfuffle over the NBER dude getting fired is because we're heading into Bagdad Bob levels of fake Gov economic numbers. Trump is wild man, I mean he's gone full conman this term. Also if you were watching Stonk futures this morning, the CPI was leaked to insiders just prior to the CPI being released and they pumped Q's and SPY. This admin is probably one of the worse I've seen when it comes to insider trading, it's fucking wild. Yet he doesn't get called out on it because the big club is in on it.

>>512921980
They don't seem to grasp that Trump's tariffs, as he wants to implement them, are effectively a regressive sales tax that disproportionately affects the poor
Which is the entire reason they moved from tariffs to income tax, so those who earned more (and thus had more disposable income and financial stability) paid more

>>512921583
Astounds me you fuckers never even bothered to google how a fucken tariff works, even after all these months.

>>512922020
Your country has literally not been in a more vulnerable position in decades
You are no longer seen as a reliable trade partner nor ally, and most countries are now laying down plans to entirely cut you out of their deals
If you keep going the way you are right now the world will move on without America

>>512922330
Trump touts that we're seeing trillions in tariff revenue from taxing us, but yet it barely covers 1/3rd of the interest payments on our debt last month. This shit is unsustainble man, and the easy way out is to always debase the currency and that's precisely what we're doing. All the status quo economists are cheering that we're back down to not even the FED's 2% target, and yet the next easing cycle is about to start. I mean holy shit this is going to be a dumpster fire.

Because stocks are Financialized and have nothing whatsoever to do with the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities.

All of the 'economics' you see reported and discussed in mainstream corporate news (yes, including Financial Times, WSJ and The Economist) is a *hoax*.

>>512922330
Charge importers on the products they import. This discourages them from over-buying a foreign product because it's cheap. It encourages domestic sellers to find alternative products from within the US, or from countries without tariffs. And ultimately, pays the public coffer as a kind of penance for purchasing from outside and allowing money to exit the American economy.

>>512921179
So what's the alternative?

>>512921952
you didn't address ANY of what i mentioned, and then barfed up this...horse shit

you clearly don't know what you're talking about

>>512920367 (OP)
Cashing out. Firings and hiring freezes boost stock prices until the market crashes from no consumer spending.

>>512920367 (OP)
Silicon Valley services

When the bubble bursts we go into a Great Recession

>>512922508
cough

>>512921960
thanks for the TDS zogbox talking points, i am paying exactly nothing more than i was earlier this year. but please. do continue reading opinions from a bunch of nobodies about a country you don't even live in

>>512920367 (OP)
Banks create credit from nothing

>>512922508
Impeachment and removing the president is unironically the only way out of this. It would have to happen before the Powell firing, but now that Trump is purging Labor Statistics of statisticians, well, it's already over.

>>512922602
t. neet

>Microsoft cuts jobs in favor of AI
>Profit margins increase
>Earnings report improves
>Investors buy the stock
Stock earnings are the major driver for investors. Your grocery bill or lack of employment has nothing to do with me buying a stock. In fact if you lose your job to AI it improves the margins of that stock making it more lucrative.

CEOs will reduce the value of labor to ZERO if possible. This wont end well but it is what it is. Regulation wont stop it either as the GDP would suffer.

>>512922521
I didn't address what you said because it doesn't make sense
Countries put tariffs on SPECIFIC markets and goods to protect their local industries, which could get overwhelmed by competition from foreign bodies otherwise, which could threaten the stability of the entire nation in some cases
This is NOT the case with Trump's tariffs, which are applied to ALL imported goods and are based NOT on the tariffs the other country has on the US but on the trade deficit
The other country is obviously not going to just eat the loss, so they raise prices to match the tariff, as they have already done, to pass the loss onto the end consumer
All this means is that the government is effectively taxing everyone who buys any imported goods, which in the US is basically everyone

>>512922602
>i am paying exactly nothing more than i was earlier this year.
Because mommy buys the groceries, right

>>512920367 (OP)
This has been true for decades. The stock market is known to be fundamentally decorrelated with the real economy.

>>512922663
i get paid a quarter million a year.
>>512922851
you need to back the fuck off my lines nigger. i was the one you stole that from.

>>512922827
yes because they were tariffing us AND applying a VAT, which has the same effect as a tariff.

so therefore we match them now. and if they raise theirs, we raise ours. who is going to win, especially when you have a country upwards of 10, 20 times the GDP? of course. this shit is long overdue. now we are even, but still have room to throw weight

of course this has been working out smashingly, so the zog kikes scream about it however they can. even cnn quietly had to say "economists were wrong" then pretend they had "bad data" fo save face

>>512923072
This. So much this.

>>512923072
>so therefore we match them now. and if they raise theirs, we raise ours. who is going to win, especially when you have a country upwards of 10, 20 times the GDP?
The country that produces the goods locally, because the one that doesn't is just price gouging themselves

>>512921463
Between Jan 2021 and Jan 2022 Biden tripled money supply from $6 trillion to $21 trillion, consider deporting yourself and suicide pod

>>512923072
>of course this has been working out smashingly,
Yeah, it's going wonderfully

>>512922851
Sweet projection faggot, unlike you I work and shit is the same price it's always been, it takes two seconds to see on index that tariffs haven't affected anything other than the stock market suckstart a shotgun asap

>>512922918
You would still be paying more, liar.

>>512920367 (OP)
money is fake and they just print more so even if stocks are going up its all fake and they are worth as much as fake money

>>512923151
>Biden was retarded
>based Trump doubles down

>>512920367 (OP)
Frankly you're an idiot if you didn't buy rddt @ 35

>>512923326
Other way around and YWNBARW

>>512923243
No point in saving face on an anonymous board. Admit you're wrong and fuck off.

>>512923151
>Between Jan 2021 and Jan 2022 Biden tripled money supply from $6 trillion to $21 trillion
A move that prevented your economy from collapsing after COVID because Trump fumbled the pandemic, and even fired your pandemic response unit in 2018

>>512923376
Lol cope gay tranny nigger

>>512922508
Properly taxing your corporations and oligarchs lol, that's it, but even American proles doing Doordash are against this, such is their degree of brainwashing.

At this point though that too could be too little too late. Remenber the more countries you fling shit at the less are going to be willing to buy your debt, in the form of the treasury bonds, which is what we have been seeing this year. I keep telling my Japanese colleagues I wish thr Japanese government would do Pearl Harbor 2.0 and just fucking dump all their US t-bonds, that would be really funny. But they're adamant as much as Japan resents the current US regime, they hate/are scared of China even more.

>>512920367 (OP)
"Least stinky shirt" theory. . . as soon as any alternative is noticed, sell.

>>512923222
>a literal who nobody with a bad cade of TDS and no further data, and 3600 views.

what is this bullshit supposed to be

really, anon. what in the samfuck christ are you doing here.

>>512923243
look up "Arizona tea" in google

They are spending money on AI farms, and lowering payrolls by importing more pajeets, and increasing prices on everything.

>>512920367 (OP)
sunk costs fallacy

>>512923397
>ITS OKAY WHEN WE DO IT
sage full stop tranny

>>512923518
They did it for a reason, it was still bad but there was a point
Everything Trump does is to make himself and his buddies rich, you fags be damned

>>512920420
When people work as Uber driver they usually incorporate as a business with one person.

>>512922508
>So what's the alternative?
They need to do a depression era works program that builds powerplants while at the same time slowly replace the USD with BTC

>>512920367 (OP)
>so why are stocks going up?
Stocks dont value only the current situation but also future predictions of the economy.

>>512923254
>liar
ok
i get paid 100 bucks an hour. i intentionally worked just enough overtime just to send my professional work bros a bunch of over 9000 memes. i dont need money. you do.

>>512923375
Is that some heckin culture wars bullshit to distract from your oligarchs ratfucking the economy and you're too much of a coward to face up to that fact?

>>512920367 (OP)
Because the stocks are propped up by the fact that people are investing into index funds managed by algorithms. Once a stock gets big, it's harder for it to go down because the robots keep putting money into it with no regard for what that value is based on.

>>512923772
is this ESL, or are you a mentally handicapped english teacher

>>512920472
>Home Depot
I dunno about that one, amigo

I rolled over my 401(k) on April 7th the very day the market hit rock bottom and my money has been in a guaranteed funds account since then. I lost 33% of my 401(k) lol I am going to commit suicide.

>>512920367 (OP)
I’m learning how to trade stocks right now. Apparently stocks can keep going up for 2 years despite bad data. Never trade against the market. You can have a fundamental short bias but never short the market till you get a technical confirmation

>>512923906
True, there was a bit too many clauses in that sentence for mutt dumbcunts like you to follow.