Thread 512935619

shouldn't right wingers care more about climate change than left wings since right wingers care about actual science. left wingers care about 'trannies are real women' science and 'dna does not beget culture' science

>>512935619 (OP)
I check the weather every morning and don't have the hubris and stupidity to think we can, have, or should be interfering with natural systems we still don't fully understand.

this is also me

>>512935619 (OP)
While this is an extremely good point, I'm much more worried about billions of jeets and sandniggers flooding the cities of every major country right now.

>>512935619 (OP)
>implying climate change is "real science"
kek, good one.

>>512940154
there are multiple things one could say that are undeniably true about this matter.

one: atmospheric carbon causes the ph of water to drop. ph is measarably dropping. coral stops growing at a ph of 7.8. we are almost there

>>512940513
Yes, but where is the evidence for anthropological origin?
Even if you could prove that, (You can't), you'd then have to prove the 'carbon footprint' reduction of your average person would have any measurable impact on those changes over time - when third world and developing nations' industries kick out orders of magnitude more carbonaceous material into the atmosphere than what a normal person contributes.

The term carbon footprint was coined by BP in 2004 as a psyop to shift perceived blame onto average NPCs around the planet; and it worked.

>>512941326
industries just cater to consumers. i.e. chinkshit plastic that everyone buys.

>anthropological origin
>he doesnt know
this is about to blow your mind. fossil fuels actually contain locked up carbon from millions of years ago. when you dig them up and burn them that releases the carbon into the atmosphere and it will never be re-captured again. it will stay there forever.

>>512941326
Well you see the isotope distribution changes when you get the CO2 from fossil fuels rather than exhalation. So it is measurable.

>>512935619 (OP)
climate change depends on scientific consensus
if it depends on consensus, then it's a religion, not a science

>>512941512
>>512941551
I didn't contest that burning hydrocarbons produces carbon dioxide. What I contest is that anthropological activity is primarily responsible for these changes over time. During the Jurrassic period, there was 7 times more carbonaceous material in the atmosphere, and oceans were more acidic then than they are now.
I guess all that dino-industry is what caused the climate to change, right? Or was it dinosaur farts?

My issue here is that a lot of these (real) scientific claims are hijacked by big business interests to 1) protect their own profits, and 2) direct society in such a direction that they experience growth. It's all become so politicised that nobody's willing to take a step back and admit we don't have a fucking clue what's going on; our observational window is far too narrow and any trends observed are too tenuous to rely on for proving causation.

>>512935619 (OP)
>left wing tards who cant even tell you what a woman is can accurately define climate change much less measure it with "science"

saeged

>>512935619 (OP)
The fight against climate change is basically a fight against injustice and for equality. So no, right wingers are not interested.

>>512935619 (OP)
>right wingers care about actual science
Have you ever met your average right winger

>>512941876
lol, swede runs up to prove climate change is about religious fanaticisn not science

>>512941800
it's two different groups of corporations lobbying against each other. One that needs fossil fuels to make money. One that requires the absence of fossil fuels to make money. Are you really going to let those two groups decide what is true for you?

>>512941800
Well you're not wrong, but you see, as humans have access to large scale industry, that relies on carbon things for quite literally everything, we happen to be rereleasing that stored carbon at a rate that was previously unseen. Leading to a potential runaway affect as biomes and animals gradually begin to adjust themselves to the higher carbon concentration.

>>512935619 (OP)
Right wingers exist to suck off authoritarians and get pumped for tax breaks for the rich. I'm not a fan of the left either but at least be honest

>>512942070
They're the same corporations, retard. 15% of BP's revenue comes from renewables, projected to grow YoY for the foreseeable.
My entire point is that we don't know what the truth is and that a lot of the publications on this topic are nonsense to manipulate readers. How exactly am I letting groups decide what is true for me? You're the partisan here.

>>512942145
It may be that the worst we can do to the Earth is bring in the Jurassic age again after a couple hundred years of this, but I don't want my children's children to live in the jurassic.
(If I ever have children, :( hopefully with a cute redhead)

>>512942145
Ifs and buts. Even on the assumption that it's all true, the sorts of activism the average person is encouraged to take part in are ultimately fruitless and designed to enrich big oil. We'd do a much better job fighting these maybes and could-bes by targetting countries like China and India and crippling their polluting industries; at huge cost to big oil.

>>512935619 (OP)
I was told I'd have beach front property by 2002. That's when I started learning pretty much everything is a scam

>>512935619 (OP)
Why should one care about climate change when humans have no effect on it what so ever.

>>512942371
you're certainly right about that

>>512942427
If all the extra heat truly isn't anything humans are doing or could stop then I guess all we can do is wait for the millions of climate refugees from africa and the middle east to show up. Fortunately, it is something humans are doing and could stop.

>>512942821
Yeah, "climate refugees" are a good example of a total lie, they're not refugees and they're not being brought over because of the climate. The British government is just trying to unalive British people.
I do indeed sympathize with people distrusting the term climate change given the way people try to use it as a weapon, but nevertheless it is a thing.

>>512941800
>>512942427

that was hundreds of millions of years ago. somehow i don't think humans causing a return to those co2 levels within a 100 year time-span would be healthy for ecosystems

>>512943273
>humans causing a return to those co2 levels
How exactly did you arrive at that conclusion? Ice core data shows greater variance in co2 levels over smaller timeframes many times over the past 100,000 years. The planet is a very complicated system; I'm not saying bad things won't happen, I'm saying culling cows to prevent cow farts and cycling instead of driving are not sound methods of reducing this questionable effect.

>>512943159
That's bullshit. It's not that they wouldn't, it's that I wouldn't trust them to plan out a wedding, let alone any great replacement conspiracy. I want you to look at the likes of Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer, of which both of their brains could fit in one peanut without touching, and tell me they could orchestrate fucking anything.

>>512943783
It's because those people are not the necessarily always ones orchestrating it, they just allow it.

>>512943783
If that were true, they wouldn't be successfully enriching themselves through political finangling. The "politicians are too dumb to do anything" hypothesis never sat right with me, because they always seem better off regardless of what happens.

>>512943933
*not necessarily always the ones

now pay more taxes to us or give us complete control over the supply chain you commoners

>>512943695
I assume you're looking at the milankovitch cycles. Most of the significant CO2 change, barring truly monumental events like pangaea splitting open in the cretaceous period you mentioned before, are as a result of predictable natural processes which run like clockwork, like the earth's tilt or slight changes in orbit. I believe the cycle hit its peak sometime in the 1600s, and should have been cooling since, which lends more credence to climate change being man made
>>512943958
Enriching yourself as a winning politician is child's play, anon. Even before your fingers are on the levers, if you are receiving donations from thousands of people to help your party and you're just a little corrupt, it's not exactly demanding some masterplan. Plus a lot of politicians already were rich off their parents money before ever going into politics.

>>512935619 (OP)
We DO believe in climate change.

We just don't believe we (humans) have the power to change the climate.

>>512944492
>1600s, and should have been cooling since, which lends more credence to climate change being man made
what are you talking about, industrial rev didn't really kicked off until 1950s on a global scale