Thread 512965522

Does he not care about the lives lost? He can't seriously believe he can regain lost ground? What is he hoping will happen.

>>512965522 (OP)
If he gives up land now the war will never end. Russia isn't negotiating in good faith, they'll just invent another reason to invade so as to take the rest of Ukraine a few weeks-months following any ceasefire. Giving up land now would be absolutely retarded for Zelenskyy. Trump's only pushing it because he's desperate for a Nobel Peace Prize.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5445190-bolton-trump-nobel-peace-prize/

>>512965522 (OP)
Colin rugg is a rodent and hes also not white

yeah dude im sure russia will never try to take another centimeter of land from their neighbors after this so like, just give it up anyway who cares it will probably totally never happen again so just give them what they want

>>512965522 (OP)
Because the war is about killing as many holhols as possible so jews can resettle.

>>512965522 (OP)
cuz you are anigger

>>512965522 (OP)
Chechnya was even more disadvantaged and it took 3 day special military operations and a kike pact with Kadyrov senior (keep sharia in place, effectively legalising the trad rape of male Russians, and ethnic cleansing of Russians out of Chechnya), in order to call it a win.

>>512965522 (OP)
What is russia swapping?

>>512965522 (OP)
How do you assure these deals aren't just Minsk 2: electric boogaloo?

>if someone invades your land you should just give up and let them take it
okay zigger

Ukraine is majority White Christians so the answer is no. He does not care about casualties.

>>512965522 (OP)

It is already obvious there will be no deal on Friday anyway.

>>512966117
Belgorod and Rostov

>>512966657
After the recent developments on the front I don't think Putin will strike a deal, but with TACO you never know.

>>512965522 (OP)
Because that encourages future aggression. It's so bad even Trump said Putin was crazy. Basically Putin won't agree to protections that make NATO membership redundant because he clearly plans on taking Ukraine at a later date.

>>512965718
Nobody ever responds to this image and it's extremely telling

>>512965522 (OP)
How the fuck are there still people who do not understand this is not a real war yet?
It is a genocide dressed as an eviction.

>>512965522 (OP)
>a fucking kike
>still fighting over rubble from 2014
Kek!

>>512965522 (OP)
This guy is a puppet and will do whatever EU/UK leaders tell him to do. Why do you think he has any say? It's through their good graces he didn't go out Gaddafi-style in 2022.

>>512965718
this right here
zelensky the coke kike is tasked to eliminate the last hohol so they can usher in new khazaria for the kikes when israel finally falls to the pigfucking brownoid hordes.

>>512965522 (OP)
It’s really not that complicated. The second the war ends, he loses all power. He doesn’t want to lose power. You can expect that he will do everything he can to stay in power.

All tyrants go out like this. They ride it out till the bitter end and delay the inevitable as long as possible regardless of how much damage it causes. That’s just the way they are. If you want peace in Ukraine, someone has to remove zelensky. I expect that’s coming.

>>512965522 (OP)
To the last Ukrainian male.

>>512966349
If you have no possible way of getting it back, then yes. This has been the ordinary state of affairs for thousands of years.

>>512965522 (OP)
Because without something concrete Russia will just rearm and do it again in 20 years

>>512965522 (OP)
There's a reason Russia hasn't been able to take these territories by force despite trying it's best for over 3 years.
And given that Russian promises are not worth the paper they're written on, handing it over voluntarily wouldn't make much sense now, would it?

>>512966789
>Belgorod
Too too far north which means too cold for apricots and peaches
>Rostov
Its downstream of one of the longest rivers in russia which means it will be full of literal human shit collected from like 30% of russia
This is a bad deal

>>512967713
But they are taking those territories. Most of it has been in their control since the beginning of the war and they have been grinding out land gains ever since. Ukraine has no conceivable way of regaining lost land. It is a total impossibility. Peace would at least save lives. Now, I know Ukraine supporters don't actually care about Ukrainian lives, that's obvious, but you'd think the Ukrainian government would. You'd think.

>>512965522 (OP)
why should someone accept their land to be stolen, komrad?

>>512968056
Because there is no alternative. This is like saying why should a chess player accept being checkmated.

>>512965522 (OP)
Russia will murder all of Ukraine if they surrender. There is no choice but to eject the invaders.

>>512965522 (OP)
Hohol elites have been stealing everything that is not anchored to the floor like there's no tomorrow for the last 3 years, while telling their supporters that Russia will pay for everything anyway, so it's fine. Peace is the last thing they want, cause they will have to flee.

>>512968160
The alternative is to kill or wound a million + Russians so they don't get away scot free and try later. A pyhric victory is still a victory but one you're not as willing to repeat.

>>512965522 (OP)
So what will stop russia from rearming and taking more land two years later?

>>512968347
The thing about that is though, the Russians themselves know their casualty rate and aren't going to believe foreign propaganda about it. That propaganda is for our eyes, not theirs. So it's not going have any effect on them. And besides, even if those numbers were true, they have clearly signalled that it is an acceptable price and they are willing to pay it.

>>512965937
why when zion don and jewtin already have st petersburg and new york city open for business

jewtin already said zelensky wasnt a real jew so dont bother him about it

>>512968393
Some sort of DMZ and euro peace keeping forces in ukraine along the DMZ

>>512968520
lol Russia would never agree to that

>>512965522 (OP)
>Does he not care about the lives lost?
Why should he?

The government does not want you to know but lives are free, you can just ride around in black van and take them.

>>512968652
Thats the only thing I can think of that would provide some guarantee that russia wont attack again. There is also the minerals deal and Americans will be in ukraine too involved in the resource extraction

>>512968464
Okay? I'm just saying they're playing 2 different games here. Russia is trying to take land and Ukraine is trying to make it as painful as possible.
Also you talk of the Russian people and their jewy leadership as though they're one in the same.

>>512968393
Logic? First goal of Russians (demilitarization) is exactly not to have to do this circus again.

>>512969270
You could say the same thing about Ukraine. After all, the Ukrainian government is a brutal, iron fisted dictatorship over which the Ukrainian people have no say. I'm simply speaking about countries as countries. And sure, they're making Russia pay a price for their land acquisition, but it's decimating Ukraine in the process. And for what? Just to make Russia pay a price they are willing to pay? Why does human life mean so little to Ukraine supporters?

>>512969561
>And for what?
Are you intentionally ignoring where I explained it or am I supposed to type it out again or what?

>>512969561
>Ukrainian government is a brutal, iron fisted dictatorship over which the Ukrainian people have no say
moron.

>>512969828
Okay, well good luck with that. Seems totally pointless considering that Russia is willing to pay it because they obviously see it as a bargain.
>>512969839
It is the objective truth and you cannot dispute it.

>>512965522 (OP)
He hopes to not get killed by nationalists. He cannot agree to any landswaps unless forced to.

>>512965522 (OP)
Why would he?
There is still profit to be made and obligations to Western elites to be fulfilled.
Their soldiers are even cheaper than ours. And he knows Putin is a massive cuck who would not dare to do anything radical. Front could crawl to Kiev for a few more years and he would be totally on board with that.
Him backstabbing EU leaders and their forever war rhetoric would also like to end in his death. And he has retirement plan in either Israel, UK or USA.

>>512969938
You are a complete and utter moron. That's all there is to it really.
Unintelligent people like yourself shouldn't discuss politics.

>>512970030
Another non-argument based in irrational anger and not a salient point that you can make to contradict mine. That is because no such point exists. I'm simply right. Ukraine is an iron fisted dictatorship and the Ukrainian people have no control over it. Just a fact, no matter how upset it makes you, princess.

>>512970131
I'm simply correctly labeling you what you are: a moron.
Nothing more needs to be said to obviously stupid people.

>>512970181
All right, wel the feeling is mutual.

>>512970240
>feeling
It's not a feeling, you are objectively a stupid person with no idea what you're talking about :)

>>512970280
I think precisely the same thing about you. And not a mind was changed this day.

>>512965522 (OP)
You forget the Russians are the armed foreign invaders who entered Ukraine illegally and now they are murdering the Ukrainian citizens who rightfully live there. These illegal aliens from Russia are terrorizing Ukraine, committing war crimes and atrocities in the hopes of stealing the property of the Ukrainians they murdered.

>>512970341
Think all you like, it doesn't change the fact that you're a complete moron out of your depth.

>>512970403
Nor does it change the fact that I am absolutely correct and you are absolutely incorrect.

>>512970441
Nah, you're just a moron who doesn't know anything about another countries. Hopeless :)

>>512970531
You're just angry I said the truth and you have no way of combating it because no such way exists. But you're just going to have to be angry about it. Much like Ukraine never getting their lost land back, you have no other choice.

>>512970634
You are free to keep doubling down on your stupidity, but at the end of the day you don't know anything about other countries.

>>512970669
Don't need your permission, but I definitely will, and I know more than you, obviously.

>>512970714
I am simply correctly labeling you what you are: a moron who doesn't know much about other countries, and hilariously geopolitically illiterate. Hopeless little moron :)

>>512970776
Nope. You're spazzing out because you don't have a rational argument to make because none exist. That's what's actually happening my liberal friend.

>>512965721
Second post best post

>>512970873
No, I'm just correctly highlighting your low intelligence, and it's clearly bothering you. Deep down you know you're an idiot.

>>512971049
Sounds like projection to me. I know that I am right and you are wrong. And you do too.

>>512965522 (OP)
Maybe if you make more threads seething he will FINALLY give up

>>512971113
>Sounds like projection to me
This is a natural coping mechanism for unintelligent people like yourself. Whenever someone correctly highlights your low intelligence, you screech projection. Very standard stuff from a moron like you.

>>512971398
Nope, you're just angry because you're wrong and so you're projecting your own inability to discuss geopolitics (because you don't know anything about the subject) onto me, your superior in every way (especially penis size).

>>512971487
>the low intelligence retard is still screeching
You can cry all you like, but again, deep down you and I both know you're not smart. You like to think you are, but you are very clearly stupid and geopolitically illiterate.

>>512971579
Wrong again, my leftist friend. What we both know is actually that you're in over your head and don't know anything about geopolitics. Obviously.

>>512971666
>y-you dare mock me! you must be a leftist!
Another low-intelligence coping mechanism from a low-intelligence poster. It's pretty funny how you're digging all the same stuff out of the old playbook, yet still can't seem to realize how stupid you are.

>>512971753
Still wrong. What's actually funny is how right I am and how angry it made you. But like I said, there's just nothing you can do about it. Just like Ukraine and their land loss. Helplessness.

>>512971849
Repeatedly screeching wrong only goes to further highlight your low intelligence. Good job my idiotic friend.

>>512971890
You'll always be angry about being wrong. I'll always be happy that I caused it.

>>512965718
Why do you think now the want to bring back plan Andinia? Khazaria is lost and Israel is in danger

>>512971954
What makes you think I'm angry? Because I'm correctly labeling you a moron?

>>512965721
>If he gives up land now the war will never end.
If he doesn't give up land, Ukraine will cease to exist.

>>512971997
Because you got really butthurt when I pointed out the objective and indisputable truth that Ukraine is an iron fisted dictatorship over which the Ukrainian people have no control. I hope this helps, leftoid.

>>512965522 (OP)
his plan is holding out until Russian economy collapses by receiving EU gibs.

>>512969938
>country rightly declares martial law as a result of an invasion
>ERRRGH ITS LITERALLY A DICTATORSHIPPP RUSSIA IS MUCH MORE FREE THAN THEM
aussie's right, you're a retard

>>512972094
all that's happened was that your poor intelligence was pointed out

>>512972054
Bullshit, if Russia was able to win it would've by now. Both sides will just keep circling the drain as they plunge further into the grinder until, like the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Russia eventually turns tail and tries to pretend it never happened.

>>512969561
bizarre how tards' like yourself actually exist. yeah i mean why wouldn't a country strive to defend it's own borders? LMAO downie

>>512972177
It IS a dictatorship. It doesn't matter why it's a dictatorship. Every dictatorship has an origin story. The very word comes from the Roman republic's practice of imposing martial law and investing all Senatorial power into the presiding Consul. It's the exact same thing that is happening now. Ukraine has no elections, and so therefore the Ukrainian people are banned from influencing their government. What's more, because the terms for reinstating elections are impossible to achieve, they are stuck permanently in this dictatorship. Unlike Rome. It's even worse than the Roman form of dictatorship.

>>512972164
He’ll have to hold out till 2027 when the EU is hypothetically going to stop buying Russian LNG.

>>512972343
>ukrainian justified dictatorship bad!
>putin dictatorship good! based putin!

>>512972234
The opposite is true.
>>512972332
Because like every other country that has lost land for thousands and thousands of years, there comes a point when their body politic realizes it is an impossibility to regain said land. Ukraine has reached their point, their dictatorship simply hasn't realized it yet.

>>512972343
>comparing ukraine to rome
yup you are definitely a complete and utter retard

>>512972431
>The opposite is true.
trying to tell people that you're not unintelligent paints a sad picture of you anon

>>512972403
Russia had an election last year. I know, I know, you'll say it was rigged, but you'll have to prove that with evidence, so you better get started. Also, I didn't say anything about good or bad, I simply said Ukraine is a dictatorship, and it is. That is a fact.

>>512972504
>russia had elections! this proves they are a true democracy!

>>512972439
That is where the word dictator comes from. And the comparison is apt because you described Ukraine lapsing into dictatorship in the same exact way that Rome did when they used that constitutional feature.

>>512972273
>Bullshit, if Russia was able to win it would've by now.
Its an attritional war, like WW1's Western front. Battle lines tend not to move in those types of war until the line completely collapses. Ukraine is in the middle of collapse right now without the ability to replenish forces. Russia has pretty much already won, its just a question of when Ukraine decides to surrender. They can do that now, and lose only 20% of their country, or later and lose 100% of their country, but there is no pathway to some sort of victory for Ukraine at all.

So where do you prefer Russia's new border to be drawn? At the current front line, or at the border of Poland?

>>512972498
I don't much care how I am painted by my enemies. If you're painting me in a good light I'd be doing something wrong. When you think poorly of me, that means I am on the right track.

>>512965522 (OP)
Why should Russians be rewarded with anything?
Niggers shouldn't keep the shit they steal

>>512972571
I didn't say they were. I said they had an election last year. Ukraine did not. In fact there is no good reason to believe Ukraine will ever have an election again.

>>512972648
Give Kosovo back to Serbia.

>>512972571
Meanwhile in America, Epstein files are still noT released.

THE ABSOLUTE STATE IF AMERICAKEKS! LMAO.

>>512965522 (OP)
Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to beat Russia, not matter how much money or weapons are being donated. Everyone knows this.

>>512972571
Nigga, your current president is a pedophile and covering up for other pedophiles.

>>512965718
>>512967123
Because its completely made up

>>512969561
>the Ukrainian government is a brutal, iron fisted dictatorship over which the Ukrainian people have no say.
ukraine elects its leaders. Russia's only choice is putin and his rigged elections where he kills his political opponents and "wins" elections with 98% of the vote. And it's been this way for decades now. Holy shit, how can you be so wrong komrad?

>>512973061
Ukraine does not elect their leaders. That is the past. Not the present, and almost certainly not the future either.

>>512970131
I made it.
>>512973061

They're right, you're just ignorant as fuck. Are you twelve years old?

>>512973058
Is it?

>>512973109
yes, in the past you elect your leader, then in the present they are your leader. You're a genius.

>>512972583
>Ukraine is about to collapse
Russian propagandists have been pushing narrative this since the very start of the war back in 2014.

>>512973061
LMAO. Zelensky cancelled the elections.

He's dragging this war so he can stay in power. How dumb are you?

>>512965718
fpbp

>>512973134
You did no such thing, you just told a lie. Ukrainian elections are done. You're talking about the past, but lots of dictatorships can claim they once had elections in the distant past. Rome comes to mind again.

>illegally invade a country
>legally aquire half of it
What if this goes on an Putin takes half of all the shitholes down there?

>>512965522 (OP)
Because it won't prevent another russian chimpout in a couple of years.

>>512973217
Give Kosovo back to Serbia.

>>512972504
>you'll have to prove that with evidence, so you better get started.
Well, for one, the main opposition candidate was imprisoned and murdered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

>>512973171
Even assuming the 2014 coup was an "election," which I definitely do not concede, it is an artifact of a bygone era that is no longer Ukraine's status quo. When is Ukraine's next scheduled election? I can tell you my country's next scheduled election. Can you tell me Ukraine's?

>>512973301
That guy was a spy who got caught and imprisoned for it. Also Wikipedia is not a valid source. Show us a valid source.

>>512967602
>It’s really not that complicated. The second the war ends, he loses all power. He doesn’t want to lose power. You can expect that he will do everything he can to stay in power.
>
>All tyrants go out like this. They ride it out till the bitter end and delay the inevitable as long as possible regardless of how much damage it causes. That’s just the way they are.
But enough about Putin.

>>512965522 (OP)
He's dragging this war so he can stay in power.

>>512965522 (OP)
You can’t have peace without someone enforcing peace. The current invasion was facilitated by breaking a peace treaty that all currently involved parties signed but refuse to honor. I’m sure he would cede currently occupied territory for NATO membership.

>>512968393
Putin's death and the collapse of russia's economy.

>>512973183
It's because they're at war, idiot. You can't run a military if you don't have a leader at the helm, or holding elections to suddenly pass it off to someone else and have to get an ignorant civilian up to speed on what's going on in one day and oh yeah, make a decision today and how to proceed without the knowledge of the last few years of the war effort. You're a retard. The US will do the same if they were being attacked.

>>512973061
Zelensky murdered an American journalist who was about to expose his corruption.

So yeah. he's a dictator.

>>512973491
You've been talking about Russian economic collapse for the past 3 and a half years, if not more, and their economy has only gotten more robust.

>>512973529
That's just an excuse.

He wants power.

>>512973205
No they're not, once russia fucks off, they'll have elections again, and Putin will have "elections" again.

>>512973139
>modern day blog post
Where's the actual source of the 1994 speech?

He’s a dirty jew that’s why

>>512973491
Boring! West has been saying this for 20+ years now. Nothing ever happens.

>>512973529
But that's nonsense. We proved that theory wrong in the 1860s when we held elections, including a Presidential election, in the middle of our Civil War.

>>512973594
Lmao bullshit.

Ukriane was a corrupt shithole even before the war.

>>512973530
Who?

>>512973357
you're not fooling anyone with that vpn komrad. Do you really get paid to try to change people's minds on 4chan? Holy shit, I always thought putin was a moron, but this is just another level.

>>512973594
But that's the rub. In order for Ukrainian elections to be reinstated, all lost territories have to be returned, including Crimea, which sets the bar for elections being reinstated impossibly high. Thus, Ukraine will never have an election again.

>>512973530
No, he arrested a sexpat tourist that Russia was using as a payed asset

>>512973357
>That guy was a spy who got caught and imprisoned for it.
How convenient, you ask for evidence but are not willing to show it for your own claims. Also, Wikipedia articles are compilations of secondary sources, so your special pleading seems rather meaningless.

>>512973717
Ah, and there it is. Ran out of arguments and so now I'm a secret Russian. I accept your concession, my Israeli friend.

>>512965522 (OP)
Why should he give it if Russia can't take it? It's been 3 years and Russia still hasn't taken those regions fully

>>512973786
Wikipedia is curated by leftists which makes it a fundamentally invalid source. If those secondary sources are valid, then cite those. And Navalny clearly had western handlers, he was a spy, a foreign agent. What would you country do with such a figure?

.

>>512973806
They call you Russian but never say how you are wrong

>>512973672
>comparing a civil war from 150 years ago to being invaded by a significantly larger nation in the 21st century
oh dear, you are an even bigger moron than we thought

>>512973672
You're overly optimistic. Trump tried to suspend, cancel, and change election results because of mail-in votes. He turned on his own VP to try to do it.
People mailing in votes (the horror!) was enough for him to try to cancel the election, and you think going to war would not be a good enough reason?

>>512965522 (OP)
>hamburgers?

>>512973690
No, that was russia, russian state actors and influence, who still held positions in ukraine.

People in charge of Ukraine are just executors of foreign will, they don’t give a fuck about Ukraine or Ukrainians and the most logical move from such a standpoint is to milk the investment for as long as possible.
It doesn’t matter if 20 Ukrainians die for one Russian, that’s basically 20 potential Russians and one Russian less in the future.
Long term goal of this conflict was regime change in Russia. They are right now making diversionary cope moves in Caucasus once Ukraine is toast.

>>512974035
It's all they have.
>>512974050
What's wrong with the comparison? Explain yourself. Why would an election prevent Ukraine from carrying out this war? It's not as if they're winning the war, they're losing it terribly. I would argue that in the middle of a war you're losing that is the BEST time to have an election. Never has a country been in more need of a leadership change than Ukraine is right now.

>>512973746
>all lost territories have to be returned,
no, the war just has to end.

>>512973806
I didn't run out of arguments. You just couldn't answer them.

>>512974092
The 2020 election was rigged, but despite that we did not cancel any elections, much less future ones. But Ukraine could never live up to our example, their dictator would never allow it.

>>512973887
>And Navalny clearly had western handlers, he was a spy, a foreign agent.
That's not a source; you just reiterated yourself.
>If those secondary sources are valid, then cite those.
The article cites over 500. Do you want me to copy-paste a huge wall of text?

>>512973566
>>512973633
>y-you have been saying this for 5 no 10... no 20 years! China stronk! Er I mean russia
The general estimate was already a long time ago that russia's economic collapse would come around 2026-2028. You can see their economy is already irreversibly fucked. Nothing they can do to repair it. Only the most retarded monke worshippers still think russia is stronk and rich and winning.

>>512973838
Because Russia WILL take it in a year, two, or three, it doesn’t matter.
This conflict isn’t in the balance, and Ukraine doesn’t have some card in the pocket that can change things around.
Their sponsors horifically underestimated the resilience of Russian state and regime.
They never even came close and it wasn’t for the lack of trying.

>>512974196
That is not what Zelensky said. He said years back that the lost territories have to be reabsorbed. And considering he's the dictator of Ukraine, it's his word that counts.

>>512974035
Yes, I explicitly told him why he was wrong. And he does indeed argue like a 12 year old, with no knowledge of the politics around russia and ukraine.

>>512965522 (OP)
> What is he hoping will happen.
He has orders from Globohomo to keep this war going to the last Hohol. He has nothing to decide, he is a literal clown.

>>512974175
>they're losing it terribly.
keep seeing morons like you saying this, yet your incompetent army has been stuck at less than 20% territory for 3.5 years.

>>512974251
I answered them just fine, you didn't have a rejoinder.
>>512974261
Those articles are just about his time in prison and how he died in prison. After being put in prison for being a spy. They don't implicate the Russian election at all.

>>512974175
>Never has a country been in more need of a leadership change than Ukraine is right now.
It's funny how this "american" spews exactly all the same talking points that russian authorities spew.

>>512974312
show your belter flag, subhuman

>>512965522 (OP)
He does what he's told

>>512974297
Lmao that's not how I remember it, but let me ask you this: If 2028 comes and Russia's economy does not collapse, will Ukraine admit defeat? Will you support their surrender?

>>512966990
> encourages future aggression
Nothing encourages future aggression nearly as much as poking the bear. The West wanted this war desperately. Now they fear it's end.

>>512973619
It's a newspaper article and I can't find the scan. Best I can do is picrel.

>>512974256
>was rigged,
lolno, even two of trump's own independent investigative teams that he put together himself told him so. He didn't like the answer from the first team, so he assembled another one, and didn't like their answer either. But of course you aren't aware of this because you're russian.
>but despite that we did not cancel any elections,
He tried to. Over mail-in ballots. But rock yourself to sleep believing he wouldn't do it over war.

>>512974404
You mean the Russian army? Because I'm a secret Russian, right? Russia makes consistent land gains. Ukraine doesn't. Ukraine loses more men. They are perpetually on their backfoot. Yes, they are losing terribly, by any objective measure. Your argument is just the old meme "they're not winning fast enough." And it's pretty embarrassing that you're still doing that.

>>512965522 (OP)
What the fuck of "to the last Holhol" don't you understand? Russia is an exhausted dominatrix and Ukraine is a unhinged gooner, please send thoughts and prayers

>>512974409
I simply say the truth. If Russians also say it then maybe the problem here is your own inability to say it?

>>512974310
>dictator
you have no idea what that word means. Is Putin a dictator? Who is more a dictator?

>>512974297
Nah, general estimate was 2015, 2016, 2017…2023,2024,2025, you’re just continuing the cope narrative.
Russian economy CANNOT collapse. It’s not some peculiar isolated system like Soviet one that collapsed after years of bizarre decisions by Gorbachev.
Russian economy can contract, suffer issues, but this general collapse you retards imagine is pretty much impossible since they don’t really have structural or political issues that are required for economic collapse.
Most importantly, there’s China, and China is economic engine of the world, and Chinese have ZERO geopolitical reasons to allow this.

>>512965721
Then just submit to them. Better than having your people die for pointless land

>>512974598
>Russia makes consistent land gains
Consistent .01% gains over 3.5 years? Despite having a significantly larger population and army? And you call this Ukraine losing terribly?
This is why ppl are calling you stupid, anon. You didn't realize what martial law entails and you're dumb enough to think wrecking your own economy for tiny incremental gains over 3.5 years means the other side is "losing terribly".
Total retard lol

>>512974574
He didn't try to cancel anything. He tried to use a constitutional feature that would allow the House to apportion electoral college votes in a way that would discard fraudulent votes. This is neither here nor there anyway. Why are we talking about the 2020 Presidential election? Are you trying to deflect from the Ukrainian dictatorship?

>>512974420
why, you gonna cry about flags because you're losing the argument?

>>512968056
I rather have niggers take my car than take my life.

>>512966349
Yes?
Better alive than dead

>>512974175
>42 pbtid
You're desperate.

>>512974712
I don't know if Putin is a dictator. He holds elections, and the only evidence of those elections being invalid is because one of his opposition was arrested for being a spy, which I don't find very convincing. Ukraine on the other hand holds no elections and does not plan on ever holding them again.

>>512965718
>drive slavic cattle out
I don't think jews have given this notion the necessary amount of thought it requires.

>>512974405
>A valid election is when you kill and imprison opposition leaders
But even disregarding that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Russian_presidential_election#Allegations_of_fraud

>>512974748
Ukraine and West are wasting far more resources acheiving that. It’s this concept called “war of attrition”.

>>512974405
>I answered them just fine
repeating debunked russian propaganda isn't a good argument buddy. You should quit, you're only making yourself worse. I don't hate you, and I wouldn't want to see you sent to siberia for your ineptitude.

>>512974475
Because all you know is what russian state propaganda tells you.

>>512974748
No, you're calling me stupid (and Russian) because you're NAFO trannies and you do not, in typical NAFO fashion, have real or convincing arguments. Russia's land gains are still land gains. They are bigger than Ukraine's because Ukraine has none. Your argument is, and will continue to be, "Russia is not winning fast enough." I say they are. I say after a mere 3 years they are already in peace talks that center around land concession. They hold land, and have for 3 years, that Ukraine will never possess again. That is winning, whether you like it or not.

>>512974092
>People mailing in votes (the horror!) was enough for him to try to cancel the election
You are a complete and total faggot and mass media is running circles around your tiny retarded mind. Maybe you should smoke less weed.

>>512974857
>Ukraine on the other hand holds no elections and does not plan on ever holding them again.
>>512972712
>Ukraine will ever have an election again.
>>512973746
>Thus, Ukraine will never have an election again.
Looking more and more like a chatbot at work.
Too stupid to come up with your own arguments, anon?

Russia's terms are pretty normal. Just don't go into NATO. What's the fucking problem?
NATO's ultimatum was to forcefully put us in NATO and make us pay for American presence in our own country.
Russia just wants some security guarantees on a piece of paper, but Ukrainians suicided over this.

>>512968393
The lack of interest to do so. They only invaded Ukraine because of the attempt to expand NATO into Ukraine.

>>512974899
>Wikipedia again
Ridiculous. The man was killed in prison. It could've been anyone responsible for that. People are killed in prisons all the time. And even still, how does that make the election that happened invalid?

>>512975025
>NAFO!

Body exchanges netted hohols 6000 bodies, and they could only send 78 (lmao) Russians back. Almost 1 to 100 ratio.

>>512974761
>would discard fraudulent
Why would even use this term, in reply to me, where I explicitly mentioned there was no fraud, according to TWO of TRUMP'S OWN INVESTIGATIVE TEAMS.

>>512974995
I disagree. I think I am making sound points, especially as judged from your sputtering inability to contest them.

>>512974857
>I don't know if Putin is a dictator.
So you don't know russian political history either. Read up on it.

>>512968652
They might tolerate Pajeet and Chink peace keeping troops.

>>512975025
buddy, you are objectively very stupid

>>512975004
You didn't answer my question. Why?
>>512975111
Yes. NAFO. You. Any questions?

>>512975202
Even if Putin is a dictator, that doesn't make Zelensky not one. He is.

>>512975025
Nope, they're not winning when they're tanking their economy to devastating lows for only tiny incremental gains.
You can cope all you like, Igor, at the end of the day you're a desperate little idiot.

>>512975208
Never. The only peacekeeping troops allowed are Russians, or at worst North Korean ones in the Polish border

>>512975146
I destroyed your arguments already. All you can do is propagandize. Please, tell me again how Putin won his election with 98% of the vote.

>>512975131
Bro Russians stole all the bodies and dressed them up in Ukrainian uniforms!
That's what came up after months of these disfavourable exchanges.
I wouldn't gloat about this. I'm sad to see this massacre. It's sad that their politicians are puppets of the west. Because if ethnic Ukrainians decided the war they would sit on the table with Russia by now.

>>512975212
You say that, but you don't actually have an argument I notice. Because of course you don't. Wanna try your hand?

>>512975293
2 weeks until it collapses?
See>>512975131
a ratio of almost 100 to 1 in body exchange ratios seems more than incremental gains.

>>512975293
Of course they're winning. They came into Ukraine and snatched a landmass larger than your country and kept it, and nobody can take it away from them. They won in the first hour of the first day. Everything else is icing.

>>512965522 (OP)
EU and US will keep shoving billions down his pockets anyway. Why would a jew not accept this deal and prolong a war?

>>512975316
Is that the actual vote percentage or are you lying again? Maybe he's very popular. He is prosecuting a successful war, after all. But I notice you want to make this about anything and everything except the Ukrainian dictatorship. Why?

>>512975329
I'm not sad, serves the hohols right. They had 8 years after 2014 to either leave hoholandia or do another Maidan. They choose this, now they will rest in one of the many growing graveyards

>>512975146
>50pbtid
>inhumanely fast reply rate!
>"i-i'm not using a chatbot! no i am not desperate!"

>>512975089
>dismissing the source out of hand
>ignoring the article with allegations of fraud
Would you mind posting your hand next to a power socket and timestamp?

>>512975491
>Inhumanly fast
I laughed. I laughed out loud. At you.

>>512975401
>t-they are winning! please just trust me they are winning!

>>512969044
> guarantee that russia wont attack again
There will never be a guarantee to this. No matter what you do they can always attack anyway. But we know exactly WHY they attacked, because we staged a coup in 2014 and tried to push Russians out of the Donbas and expand NATO there. Only dishonest shills deny this.

>>512975526
Would you mind posting a valid source? If those sources are so valid, post them directly. Go ahead post one, I'll read it, and then we'll discuss the source you posted, my Israeli friend.

>>512975535
What would you call it if Norway invaded Scotland, took it, held it for 3 years, populated it with their own people, rebuilt its infrastructure, and every attempt your military made at retaking it failed utterly? A British victory?

>>512975491
Its obviously a bot dummy

>>512975531
we can all see you're an extremely desperate retard.

>>512965522 (OP)
>Wants to stay in power
>There are still more Ukrainians that can be used as expendable human waste and cannon fodder in a war meant to kill as many whites as possible and degrade Russia militarily
That's why.

>>512975605
>the 2024 presidential election "was almost certainly the most fraudulent" in "modern Russian history", and that the "sheer magnitude of fraud eclipses that of 2018".[30]

Other incidents of fraud
On 16 March, Golos released a video on social media appearing to show staff at a polling station in Krasnodar doing ballot stuffing.[96] It also said that it had received reports of attempts to inspect filled-out ballots before they were cast, and one instance in which police demanded a ballot box be opened to remove a ballot.[97] Thermochromic ink that disappears when heated was also allegedly used in Kursk and Rostov-on-Don on 15 March.[98] The usage of such ink was previously reported during the 2021 regional elections in Khimki.[99] Overall, Golos described the 2024 election as an "imitation", adding that it had not previously observed "a presidential campaign that fell so short of constitutional standards".[100]
Your turn. Post hand, socket and timestamp.

>>512965522 (OP)
It’s just Tommy Robinson.
Mossad getting sloppy with their twin agents. Must be related and owned.

>>512975717
What we can actually all see is that you are angry NAFO trannies who got BTFO.

>>512975785
>What we can actually all see is that you are angry NAFO trannies who got BTFO.

>>512975605
Are you saying Putin did not have Navalny killed and several other candidates disqualified from running because he was scared shitless in his bunker?

>>512975755
>Michael McFaul, a Russian ambassador at the time, claimed in 2012 that Golos was funded by a US government agency.
Lmao.

>>512965522 (OP)
He don't care because he's a jew and jews loves money

>>512965522 (OP)
>Does he care about lives lost?
Yes. He cares that not enough native Ukrainians have died yet. He still needs more goyim death, so his people can start Isfaek 2.0.

>>512975829
I don't know. That's what I'm saying. People die in prison all the time, I imagine in Russia a lot of people die in prison all the time. It's not out of the ordinary. Why was he in that prison? Because he was a foreign agent.

>>512975755
levada center, a western funded anti-putin agency, polls Russia on many issues, and one such is Putin popularity, and his popularity hovers over 70% constantly, sometimes up to high 80s.

>>512966657
I mean, duh, russia's advances are more significant with each week, so you are on the advantage in the negotiations, and Ukraine won't accept anything aside their total victory.

>>512975479
This shit is tragic and sick, it's not the fault of Ukrainians except a minority of mentally ill Banderists and Sloboda party retards who claim to be anti semitic then let jews overthrow their country and be ruled by jews. Ukraine has been fed propaganda for 30 years through these retards and this is the result.

>>512965522 (OP)
It's a tough call, since the rusniggers are just going to re-consolidate and do it again. A rusnigger's word is worth nothing as they have proved over and over again in history.

>>512975873
>Statistical analyses
>According to a Novaya Gazeta investigation using a method proposed by mathematician Sergey Shpilkin [ru], around 22 million of the non-online (polling booth) votes for Putin were falsified, out of 64.7 million non-online votes for Putin in total. Novaya Gazeta described the analysis showing "record levels of fraud even for a Russian presidential election".[94][95]

>Meduza carried out statistical analyses on the official results released by the CEC. Based on scatter plots of the vote percentage for Putin compared to turnout, a tail in which voter turnout visually correlates to Putin support, which appeared weakly in earlier Russian presidential elections, was found by Meduza to completely dominate in 2024. "Churov's saw", a statistical effect interpreted as fraudulent in which sharp peaks at round numbers appear in voter turnout and percentage votes for Putin, was found by Meduza to have strengthened in the 2024 election, with Meduza arguing that the number of polling stations with likely fraud became the majority in 2024, while earlier the fraction of fraudulent polling stations had been a minority. Overall, Meduza stated that the 2024 presidential election "was almost certainly the most fraudulent" in "modern Russian history", and that the "sheer magnitude of fraud eclipses that of 2018".[30]
Now do so for the rest. Also, post hand, socket and timestamp

>>512975929
>57 posts by this ID about nothingburger #69420
Nigga

>>512975952
>it's not the fault of Ukrainians
It is. They had plenty of time to do something about it. They didn't, they laughed at Odessa murders and the bombing of Donbass. Fuck around, find out.

>>512970346
You forget that Kiev was murdering their own citizens in the Donbas who rightfully lived there because they happened to be ethnic Russians who didn't accept the illegal criminal bloody regime change in 2014. Russia had to start a humanitarian intervention to protect the Russian minority from being genocided. This may be formally illegal but they have a plausible excuse. See the exemplary Western aggression against Yugoslavia in 1999.

>>512976045
According to your beloved Wikipedia is a New York Times affiliated pro-western newspaper. Why should I trust that? They're aligned with the pro-Ukrainian movement.

>>512976057
Because there's a lot of NAFO trannies to respond to. Not my fault. That would be the US State Dept. who funds them's fault.

>>512976120
This is just false, nobody wanted war, most people did not. This is why they abduct people off the street. after 2015 things cooled down significantly until Zelensky was put in power, groomed and told to instigate the current conflict but beforehand he was pro peace, anti corruption, anti war. You can't judge everything off a vocal minority.

>>512965721
>give up land, war continues
>don't give up land, war continues
This is your brain on nafo bullshit.

>>512974308
>card
Did you say pwease today?

>>512976325
>According to your beloved Wikipedia is a New York Times affiliated pro-western newspaper.
You made a typo in your post. Who is Affiliated to the New York Times?

>nafo troons still think they have a path to victory
Keep it up faggots. The less of you the better.

>>512976406
I don't care, i don't buy that anymore. "I just want to grill" does not absolve you from the consequences of what is going around you. Tacit agreement is still agreement. Again, they had 8 years to flee hoholandia. They had 8 years to Maidan again. They didn't. They were happy with being part of a anti-Russian state. Now they are getting genocided by Russians, and that is a good thing!

>>512976120
They had time to strengthen their defenses and democracy and shape up to join EU and NATO. It was a mistake they did not do so, they would have been safe and prosperous then.

>>512976545
Yeah I messed that up. Novaya Gazeta. According to your beloved Wikipedia, they're NYT affiliated. Aside from the NYT being one of my enemies, this paper is clearly a pro-western, anti-Putin organ. They have an agenda. This is no different than taking NAFO's word on something. Where are all the objective election observation sources? Are there none? And what does any of this even matter anyway? I already said Putin may very well be a dictator, but that doesn't, in any way, change the fact that Zelensky is one.

>>512975938
That doesn't mean there isn't election fraud, and neither does it mean that Russia isn't a dictatorship that imprisons and kills dissidents.

>>512965718
>OP 1pbti

>>512965522 (OP)
>Does he not care about the lives lost?
(((NATO's))) war in the Ukraine is yet another jewish Ritual Sacrfice. A burnt offering to Lord Moloch.

>>512976779
What if that dissident is a spy?

>>512976716
Why are you so angry at people posting truths about your weak senile diaper wearing leader? I mean Putin, not the leader of your VPN flag.

>>512976873
I'm not. I'm just not going to take my enemy's word on something. And a NYT affiliated globohomo liberal newspaper definitely screams out to me, "I am your enemy!"

>>512965522 (OP)
what you stupid americans don't understand is that we Europeans hold democratic values which means if you attack on of us you attack all of us. Europe is ready to defend the freedom of Ukraine because this is how we defend our liberal democracy and freedom. one for all and all for one

>>512976707
A lot did leave though. what you're saying is not a fair assessment and Russia has no interest in killing them either. They did not want this war. Where was the anti-Russia shit outside of foreign meddling? Before around 2004 with the euro Maidan? You said it yourself. Now you're just sounding retarded.

>>512976779
>isn't a dictatorship that imprisons and kills dissidents.
Like who? Navalny? He was a literal foreign agent who was caught red handed receiving money from foreign spy agencies. Of course these traitors should go to prison

>>512976996
Sounds like you don't need our money or intelligence or supplies.

>>512976997
>A lot did leave though.
And those get to live. Those who didn't will die or have to hide in basements until Ukraine surrenders.
>Where was the anti-Russia shit
Bombing Donbass

>>512976716
>Aside from the NYT being one of my enemies
Please elaborate on your schizo crusade.
>Where are all the objective election observation sources? Are there none?
The math they and Meduza did seems quite objective.
>And what does any of this even matter anyway?
You asked to show evidence and I showed evidence.

>>512977070
none of that is for free anyway. it all comes with a huge pricetag attached so americans can profit from the shit they keep stirring up

>>512975469
here's a nice summary of what a dictatorship actually looks like.

Main Candidate: Vladimir Putin (running as an independent)

Opposition: No strong opposition candidates were allowed to run

Concerns and Criticisms
1. Lack of Real Opposition

Many prominent critics were barred from running, including anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny (who died in prison in February 2024).

Other liberal or reformist candidates were denied registration over technicalities.

Approved candidates were considered “systemic opposition”—they did not fundamentally challenge Putin's rule.

2. State Control Over Media

Russian state-run media heavily favored Putin, giving disproportionate coverage to his campaign and virtually ignoring or discrediting other candidates.

Independent media outlets were shut down, censored, or declared “foreign agents.”

3. Voter Intimidation and Coercion

Reports emerged of public sector employees being pressured to vote or to show proof of having voted.

Mobile ballot boxes and online voting were criticized for being opaque and vulnerable to manipulation.

Human rights organizations reported observers being harassed or denied access to polling stations.

4. Election Monitoring Restrictions

The OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) was not invited to monitor the election—a major red flag.

Independent Russian election watchdogs, like Golos, were labeled “foreign agents” and had limited ability to observe.

Was It Fair?

No, by international democratic standards.

Almost all independent observers—including Western governments, human rights groups, and election experts—do not consider the 2024 election (or previous ones under Putin) to be free or fair.

Putin’s increasing use of state repression, control over media and the judiciary, and exclusion of viable opposition have made elections in Russia largely symbolic rather than competitive.

>>512965522 (OP)
There are still more Ukrainians to kill. The purpose of the war is to genocide the Ukrainian people, land is irrelevant.

>>512977137
I asked you to post a valid source and I don't see how an ideologically driven publication who has an axe to grind against Putin and is clearly in the camp of western forces is a valid source. It's just propaganda. Also, you didn't post any math. You posted an article about math that supposedly took place, or so we are led to believe. And what exactly is it that you want me to elaborate? Why the NYT is my enemy? Do I really have to? It's not obvious?

>>512965522 (OP)
Unironically because Russia will be back for more in a couple years

>>512972583
Russia lost over 1 million troops and is sending in North Koreans.

>>512977171
This all keeps coming back to Navalny who was a fucking spy. If there were no "strong" opposition candidates, is it not possible that that is because Putin is simply that much more popular than them? When Reagan beat Mondale in 49 states to 1, was it because the US was a dictatorship, or because he was just popular?

>>512975469
>the Ukrainian dictatorship
your premise is false. Every argument you make on that point is silly.

>>512977421
Damn, so why does hoholandia and NATO want a ceasefire?

>>512977091
>Bombing Donbass
This was done by literal Foreign powers controlling Ukraine to instigate war. They overthrew Ukraine's government and put in a bunch of jews and their own people to do that. Again, before this Ukraine elected Yanukovych fair and square. His opposition has always been the same group of shady criminals and jews, like Tymoshenko, Yuschenko, etc. A bunch of propped up puppets few actually like. And of those that do, many have been misled through the decades of propaganda pumped to them.

>>512965522 (OP)

>Give up your defensive lines because Putin pinky promises not to invade again

Are you actually this retarded,
nigger?

>>512977444
Ukraine is absolutely a dictatorship. It's not even up for debate, it's just a descriptive matter of fact.

>>512977252
>American oligarc-run media heavily favored Trump, giving disproportionate coverage to his campaign and virtually ignoring or discrediting other candidates.

>Independent media outlets were shut down, censored, or declared “foreign agents, by Trump.

Kinda sounds like USA desu.

>>512976999
>He was a literal foreign agent who was caught red handed receiving money from foreign spy agencies.
You keep reiterating that, but repeating something doesn't make it true. Russia also imprisons people for "discrediting the armed forces" and Kadyrov tortured a teenager from Crimea named Nikita Zhuravel for burning a quaran, filmed it, and posted it on social media.

>>512977514
Ukraine has not been a sovereign nation in any way since 2014.

>>512976846
What if that was just made up by putin because he was a popular political opponent?

>>512974730
They will be pushed into vans for Russia's next war. So they won't even die for their own country. See Chechnya

>>512977495
it's how americans do business. they openly try to fuck you because they assume they are better than you and that you will just take it. they bomb our pipeline and then they say Europe is a dictatorship. america needs to be put on a list of hostile countries and americans should be banned from entering European territory

>>512977573
They just had elections in 2019 retard.

>>512977578
I suppose that's possible, but I remember when he was alive and he was very dear to western globohomo leaders. Seems like a suspicious overlap. And anyway, it doesn't matter if Russia is a dictatorship. This is all deflection from the fact that Ukraine definitely is a dictatorship.

>>512977573
More like, it used to be a Russian puppet state like Belarus. Then a new government came to power and quickly fell out of favour with moscow.

>>512977292
You didn't bother reading the articles, which include the math.
And yes, I would like you to elaborate on your crusade against the NYT, as it is extremely autistic to describe a newspaper as your enemy.

He;s obvisously gonna accept giving up some land give up

but the thing about negotiations is that you dont start off by offering the worst at the start

I dont get why americans dont get it, I thought Trump was supposed to be le deal man

If I want to sell you a bread for 100$ you WONT just buy it right away, you want to pay 1 cent and then we haggle

Trump destroyed americans idea of negotations when he had his first meeting with Zelensky and just wanted him to hand over entirety of Ukraine right away to Putin, thats not how negoatiations ever worked throughout history.
You are supposed to haggle.

Lets say Russia invaded Alaska, do you just agree to give up every single state to them since you cannot possibly reconquer Alaska, or do say "we wont give a single state and will fight for Alaska" and then during negotations give up Alaska and keep the rest?

That's whats happening right now

>>512977733
>Ukraine definitely is a dictatorship.
but it's not.

>>512977725
I'm sure they were totally legit after being overthrown and controlled by external nations. At *best* Zelensky may have been allowed to win because they could groom or compromise him or make him act the way they want. Because this never happens anywhere else. No, not at all. It's more likely he was selected for the role and his previous anti-war stances and remarks would be easier for the population to accept.

>>512977875
You didn't post an article, you posted a cherrypicked block of text from an article. And the NYT is my enemy because they are a bullhorn for everything I stand against. Everything the NYT believes I believe the opposite. What's more, I believe the things they believe are evil, rotten, and destructive.

>>512969561
> the Ukrainian government is a brutal, iron fisted dictatorship over which the Ukrainian people have no say.
This. All retards that deny it are fucking shills with subhuman IQs
Also the exprired jew expired more than a year ago (it's in the constitution, article 103)
His fucking goons snatch goyim from streets and don't let goyim leave his totalitarian, jewish dystopia (this right is granted by the constitution, also article 24 guarantees that there cannot be discrimination based on sex)

The the filth that support this kike, must move/return to Ukraine and fight for him and his fucking regime in trenches.

>>512977930
But it is. We've already been over this. There is no reason to believe Ukraine will ever hold an election again. Their terms for holding one are unattainable, and so too then are elections.

>>512974545
>and I can't find the scan
Gee I wonder why

>>512977788
If that's true then why was Yanukovych's election declared fair by independent observers?

>Then a new government came to power and quickly fell out of favour with moscow.
After being forcibly overthrown so who is the puppet now?

>>512978054
check out this retarded vpn zigger. you must get your hot takes on xitter too like the rest of the room temperature ziggers itt

>>512965522 (OP)
He is only here to kill as many as possible. He is a kike. He doesn't care about lives or Ukraine.

>>512977971
Yes they were legit, as determined by the OSCE, which, coincidentally, Russia refused to allow to monitor their elections. Hmmm... wonder why?

>>512978201
>VPN accusation
>By memeflag

>>512978079
>if I can't google it, it didn't happen
Nigger how old are you?

>>512965522 (OP)
He has a moral obligation to fight to the last Ukrainian

>>512978411
>Ukraine elects Yanukovych under OSCE observed election
>Russia totally would elect some puppet though
Makes perfect sense thank you anon for this critical political analysis

>>512978055
>There is no reason to believe Ukraine will ever hold an election again
Haha you said it again.
Get a better chatbot, idiot.

>>512978201
KYS, meme-flag shill
...but show me at least 1 vanning video from Russia before you do, kike-loving retard

>>512977875
Like you totally missed how they posisoned Viktor Yushchenko so his face became visually deranged.

That Yanukovych guy also had a palace with a fucking golden toilets and a train wagon made out of gold, and what else ge had i don’t know.

>>512977993
You literally just need to click the wikipedia link and then click on the numbered reference beside the text passage. Have you never used wikipedia before?
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/03/21/putin-2024
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/03/19/at-least-22-million-fake-votes-cast-for-putin-in-presidential-election-en-news

>>512978054
Glad to see you're still good.

>>512978607
:3

release the files

>>512976779
>muh elections muh democracy blub blub blub
Good. I hate democracy. Only gay thing is that Putin keeps playing this charade instead of becoming czar

>>512977930
You’re ontologically evil

>>512978653
Don't worry. Everything's gonna be alright.

>>512978709
I am glad that you agree the point I was making is correct.

>>512978935
What’s your point

>>512965522 (OP)
he knows if he just folds like that hes getting killed
he might just get killed anyways at this rate, so hes kinda running out of options

>>512978495
So where is it

>>512979037
Russia is a dictatorship that imprisons and poisons dissidents and that the elections are theater. We agree on this, though we differ in that you think it's a good thing.

>>512965721
>If he gives up land now the war will never end
Got it backwards.
>Russia isn't negotiating in good faith, they'll just invent another reason to invade so as to take the rest of Ukraine
Eastern Ukraine, full of ethnic Russians valuable resources, is the part Russia wants. When Gorb split up the country to save Russia, western Ukraine was the toxic asset whose removal solved Russia's problems. Western Ukraine wasn't willing to leave without the more valuable Eastern Ukraine (ethnically Russian) attached. Ukraine was too corrupt and shitty to capitalize on this, and dedicated its existence to ethnically cleansing Russians from that region, resulting in the current war. Russia has extreme interest in not acquiring western Ukraine. The only way the war continues is if NATO builds more biolabs in western Ukraine for collecting Russian DNA, masses troops again, starts shelling residences in the Donbas again, or cuts off water to Sevastopol again, or stages missiles for NATO again. These are really common sense.
>Giving up land now would be absolutely retarded for Zelenskyy.
True, but you seem to be using "Zelenski" and "Ukraine" interchangeably, which is odd since he's not Ukrainian and his interests are counter to Ukraine's. It is absolutely in Ukraine's interest to cede the territory it lost in both a democratic vote and in combat, so as to prevent further losses of Ukrainian lives.

>>512978536
That is tangential to what we were discussing. We were talking about whether Russia is a democracy, not about whether Russia meddles in foreign countries.

>>512965847
>yeah dude im sure russia will never try to take another centimeter of land from their neighbors
Russia has communicated to the world what it's doing and why very clearly. The Russian state's actions match the words of its leaders. So if you don't understand Russian motives, that's a you problem.

>>512966349
Before a treaty is signed, you should go join the reddit brigade. They're still taking recruits. It's important to die for the things you believe in long after it's possible to accomplish them, right? Or do you suddenly remember your humanity when it's your life on the line?

>>512979518
Putin denied he would invade Ukraine until the day before the invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWh30uDmgPA

>>512966990
>Because that encourages future aggression.
Everytime you give this opinion, you tell everyone in the room that you are fundamentally ignorant about this conflict and geopolitics at large.

>>512965522 (OP)
Nooooooo not the liferinos! You guys are genuinely such faggots it makes me throw up in my mouth. You've never fought a war to defend your lands & it shows. Don't reply "mmmmuh war of independence" that was literally a fucking border skirmish over a large shitheap 1/6th as profitable as Haiti & we razed your capital to the ground before fucking off & dealing with an actual war in Europe.

"B-b-b-b-but brown hands" actually mutt vermin, you're not white, you're not "honorary aryans" hell, you're not even white-adjacent.

>>512965522 (OP)
>a jew elected to highest office in your country
>million+ of your countrymen die in totally avoidable war
Hmmmph

>>512973358
>But enough about Putin.
Putin is democratically elected and does not have absolute authority in his country despite being a wildly popular, charismatic, strong-man. Zelenski is no longer democratically elected and is in total control of his country and has a regime of terror against dissenters. No one in Russia is as afraid of the FSB as Ukrainians are of "recruiters." That's why 25% of Ukraine's population has fled the country despite being quality men with patriotic feelings.

>>512979836
lol you are such a moron

>>512973529
>It's because they're at war, idiot.
Russia doesn't seem to have this problem.
>The US will do the same if they were being attacked
America has never had that problem. Not in the civil war and not in WW2.

>>512979986
anon it's ok we already know you're a complete idiot

>>512979836
>Women and children, who make up approximately 76 percent of refugees fleeing the crisis
And that's not counting the sick and elderly men who are unfit for service.
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/ukraine/

>>512980092
>That's why 25% of Ukraine's population has fled the country despite being quality men with patriotic feelings.
I was replying to this part.

>>512973061
>Russia's only choice is putin
Russia has democratic elections. Putin is wildly popular both in and outside of Russia. E V E R Y O N E in the west wants a Putin-like leader for their own country who will make billionaires contribute to the nations they get rich in. NO ONE wants a gay non-resident TV Jew propped up by the CIA. 98% of the vote sounds insane when you're used to living under a Zionist Occupied Government where everyone takes for granted that their politicians hate them. You can validate Putin's popularity by noting that his war is run entirely on volunteers and Russian cities don't burn down their commercial centers in race riots every four years.

>>512980230
Do you think Russia doesn't have ties to Jewry and doesn't receive mass migration from Central Asia?
>ST. PETERSBURG, June 19 - RIA Novosti. More than 6 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation in 2024, half of them for employment purposes, said Valentina Kazakova, head of the Main Directorate for Migration of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, speaking at the SPIEF.
>"We have returned to pre-pandemic figures. About 6.3 million foreign citizens are arriving (data for 2024 - ed.). About 50% of these citizens are arriving for labor purposes," she said during the session "Labor Migration. Economic Dimension".
>According to the materials presented by the department at the session, the newcomers are mainly natives of Uzbekistan (23.3%), Tajikistan (16.7%), Kyrgyzstan (10.4%) and Belarus (9.5%).
https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/putin-russia-neutrality-iran-israel-conflict-donald-trump-us-missile-strike-125062300479_1.html

>>512980092
The men who got work visas in the US wouldn't show up in those stats.

>>512980514
https://ria.ru/20250619/mvd-2024043048.html

>>512980534
Do you have the numbers on them?

>>512979936
>>512980053
You have trouble regulating your emotions. Go traumadump on your Discord again, Quinn.

>>512980514
>There are non-Russians in Russia, therefore there's no difference between Putin and Zelenski as leaders, and no discernable reason that Putin would be more popular than a gay clown propped up by the CIA.
Thanks for your analysis.