Thread 512983456

Anvils from 4 different countries tested in the crusher: India, China, Russia, USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3J_Zm_3kl0

>>512983456 (OP)
OK I will watch. Give me a moment.

>indian = garbage
>chinese = better than Indian but still not great
>Russian and American = tied for best place

To me if I had to guess the Indian piece was just cast and not forged, like a mild carbon steel, whereas the other three were forged but the Chinese steel was brittle or had a casting or forging flaw. I would guess the Russian and American anvils were both cut from a forged steel billet.

>>512984089
Just skimmed it quickly
Chinese one broke at 70 tons of force
Indian one was getting squished like butter at 40 tons
Russian one lost a bit of cm but survived
Usa was the only real winner of this

>>512983456 (OP)
Indian anvil made from tin.

>>512983456 (OP)
Unless these all have the same spec this is a useless comparison.

>>512984089
>>Russian and American = tied for best place

The american anvil survived the 100 ton press with zero plastic deformation. The russian had some plastic deformation. So:

1st place America
2nd place Russia
3rd place China
4th place India

However, the american anvil was rusty and clearly not made in the last 40 years. So it is a legacy anvil, lost technology that cannot be made any more.

>>512983456 (OP)
Very interesting
Indian anvil seems to be cast iron or a low melting temp castable metal.
Chinese anvil seems to be cast steel
Russian anvil seems to be one of the best overall
Burger anvil was the "best" overall but it
looks like it was decades old (notice that all of the above were brand new). Such manufacturing is impossible in jewsa now.
In short, buy russian anvils. At least they are making them.
Kraut anvils are the actual best anvils but they have not many new anvils in so many times they cost a fortune, so nobody would dare to try to break them for their cost.

>>512984876
I've just checked and the ЧИЗ anvil dates back to USSR. I don't think that we make these anymore.
What's also interesting is that this particular red one is from a tool playset made for kids.

>>512984876
This is also why we can't return to the moon apparently.

>>512984876
>So it is a legacy anvil, lost technology that cannot be made any more.
if you have to buy a house in the US buy a house made from old wood from a hundred years ago.
Don't buy any of the new builds they made it with shitty soft wood and you're going to have problems with it all your life.

>>512985323
For whatever reason jewtube keeps recommending me vids from a home inspector called cy or something
Yea, your new houses are completely fucked.

>>512985193
I just checked, there is someone selling one on ebay for 35 burger shekels. Quite good for how durable it is.

>>512984876
>the american anvil was rusty and clearly not made in the last 40 years
this is superficial rust. if it bothers you, just oil it and rust is no more.

>>512984713
Cope, pajeet.

>>512984876
Our modern anvils are 30% corn syrup

>>512985528
Kek

>>512985528
Sounds pretty sweet

>>512983456 (OP)
>Shilling the off-brand hydraulic press channel.
Pajeet, please.

>>512983456 (OP)
Slightly disappointed in the scale but it's very cute.
Note that the US babby anvil flexed and returned to position on the 100t press. In a full-sized anvil, that means that every hammerblow has just the slightest amount of cushion. The two horns on either end make it much more functional.
>t. did some hammering as a kid

>>512985462
I mean, I can get one for like ~10$ on the local auction site, if I really wanted to (I do). They've probably made many thousands of them back in the USSR
Also here's what the kid tool set looked like.

>>512984876
>However, the american anvil was rusty and clearly not made in the last 40 years. So it is a legacy anvil, lost technology that cannot be made any more.
This. American steel pre 1960's was some of the best.

>>512983456 (OP)
>india one completely folds under pressure
it's not made of poo, is it?

>>512985711
>Also here's what the kid tool set looked like.
>picture did not upload
The kit is around 40$

>>512984089
>USA
>Roosha
>India just barely
>Chiner
>>512983456 (OP)
Last thought - what was the internal temperature of that Indian pancake when it finished being pressed?

As much as I love to 'murica flex, how much does this really matter? An anvil just needs to be a solid backstop that will stay rigid against a hammer.

If it can handle a single ton, it's probably fit for purpose.

>>512985795
>C clamp
>Anvil
>Bench vice
>Brace and bits
>Files
>For kids
Fucking based.

>>512983456 (OP)
saar sisters...

>>512985182
there is one, and only one useful type anvil on this planet
the south german pattern anvil
everything else is less useful
t. pro blacksmith

>>512985467
The point is that this anvil was made by actual americans instead of spic workers, before DEI , before profit optimization: it was actually made for the customer, not the shareholders. So it cannot be compared to anything that the US produces nowadays. A more elegant tool from a bygone era.

>>512984089
India was shown to withstand more tonnage than China.

>>512983456 (OP)
I'm not going to watch this and just assume India wins hands down

>>512985945
>An anvil just needs to be a solid backstop that will stay rigid against a hammer.
It matters for big anvils, as the better quality they are, the more bounce you get, and the less force is needed to lift the hammer for another stroke.

>>512983456 (OP)
Wait, why are the anvils smaller than the dude's hand?
are they models? or for jewlery or something?

>>512986127
>s*oth german
>not norther German
>or at least middle German

FUCK southniggers and their incomprehensible babbling

>>512985985
Weren't there similar things in 60s US?
Like I'm pretty sure they've actually sold a cloud chamber set. For kids.

They did! Amazing.

>>512986127
>anvil horder
I hate those kikes

>>512983456 (OP)
My Indian ax head from Lowes is soft as butter, so I use one made in my hometown 110 years ago instead.

>>512985193
> ЧИЗ anvil dates back to USSR
Yes, this specific anvil is from the USSR, but the factory still exists and produces: https://chiz.ru
> a tool playset made for kids
Yeah, the most insane thing is that this is a kids toy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZROU6yhvE

>>512985795
>kid's tool
>a basic tool set
Damn, that's some good shit there.

>>512985945
The Indian anvil has a nail pushed right into it, if you try to work something on it you'll hammer the anvil into pudding before you work anything into shape.

>>512986616
I have a very old and very good american axe that was given to me by an old lady when I did some work on her house.
The only markings on it are on the ax head "EVANSVILLE" AND "U.S.A. 4".

>>512984089
accurate assessment. I watched it anyways just to make sure you weren't lying.

>>512983456 (OP)
>indian anvil has poo texture
They'll never beat the allegations.

>>512985193
>tool playset made for kids
"Kolya — blyad — you are receiving anvil for birthday."

>>512984876
>However, the american anvil was rusty and clearly not made in the last 40 years.
American products made before the 1980s are absolutely ugly as shit but will last until the sun burns out.

>>512983456 (OP)
Things made in different ways from different materials are different? Shocking.

>>512983456 (OP)
>Indian anvil is so soft you can hammer a nail into it.
It's literally made of cow dung

The fun part for people who don't want to watch the whole thing:

>>512985504
Im not Indian and Indian manufacturing is quite good its almost as cheap as China with several times better quality. I have a Chinese motorcycle and it always has random issues popping up and an indian motorcycle, the Royal Enfield which ive had for a decade and I havent done anything other than change the oil on. The Enfield is like another thousand bucks, 2000 or 3000 cheaper than a Jap bike. I appreciate them.

>>512989428
is it made of aluminum?

>>512987626
>EVANSVILLE
4lb axe made on Indiana, congratulations bro that's pretty cool.

>>512989792
see
>>512989354

>>512989616
>Im not Indian and Indian manufacturing is quite good
suuuuurrrreeee

>>512989078
>American products made before the 1980s are absolutely ugly as shit
you just gonna go on the internet and be retarded like that?

>>512984089
Russia did not tie for first place kek. I'm assuming this is b8 I fell for, so here's your (you) faggot.

>>512990600
It absolutely did.

>>512989895
Most people on here are White incels. I never got the meme about everyone secretly being brown. Nonwhites generally don't use the internet beyond the main few sites.

>>512983456 (OP)
Indian one squished like a poo

>>512984876
Just keep the surface rust clean. That means it has a lot of carbon, which is why it's so hard. The others were cast iron. The American one is solid steel. Therefore, the American one, as long as it's kept fairly clean, will literally blast your lifetime. Unless it's lost, stolen or sold, you'll have that one until the day you die. You can then pass it on to your offspring.

>>512985945
One last a lifetime, and one last a few months.

>>512984876
>The american anvil survived the 100 ton press
Holy fuck. Any anvil professionals here? How do you create an anvil that can survive 100 tons??

>>512991099
Use solid hardened steel from the US.

>>512990629
The Russian anvil broke under the 500 ton press. The US anvil was smashed down a bit, but not broken. If you're a black smith hammering away all day, then the Russian one would eventually break because it's made out of cast iron. The American one is solid steel. There genuinely is a huge difference. Cast works well for certain things, like pans, but doesn't work well for an anvil.

>>512983456 (OP)
These are probably shitty jewelry anvils, they're probably just for working really soft metals, they're all probably fine for that if you're working silver, gold, etc (with the exception of India possibly). Chinese one had a brittle 45 degree compressive shear failure though, that was cool.

>>512991440
This is a fucking jewelry anvil bro. Also the only one that was likely cast was the Chinese one unless the others were annealed. The other thing about deformation is that it's not only a function of the material but also the design of the anvil. you can have 2 made of the same material but one will yield first due to design. Either way you don't need one of these to withstand such high force, what is preferable is probably just hardness without chipping, cracking or fracture in use or from being struck

America wins again. But people will continue to buy shitty stuff from the 3rd world because we're cheap.

>>512991440
>The Russian anvil broke under the 500 ton press.
There was no 500 ton press in the video, there was a 100 ton press and the US and Russian anvils both survived just fine. The Indian one squished, and the Chinese one shattered.

You're an AI or some kind of brown swarthoid or some shit. Very low-IQ coded post. Unlike you I watched the video and can remember it lol.

>>512983456 (OP)
I honestly can’t beleive I’m about to watch this for ten minutes, but I am

>>512990717
>Pale brown skin
>Brown hair
>Lice eggs
Jeet confirmed

>>512989792
Puter or some attempt at puter.

>>512984089
I don’t see how America tied Russia, it’s a clear winner.

Are you docking points for being a legacy product?

>>512991259
Does steel from North America have superior properties or something?

Also what techniques determine steel hardness?

>>512983456 (OP)
All the stories you hear about e-scooters etc. exploding are because Chinese batteries and heavy electronics are genuinely fucking dangerous. Never buy them.

>>512985244
>return
Newfag

>>512993413
>what techniques determine steel hardness
Alloy composition and heat treatment.

>>512993388
Is there some part of the video I didn't watch? The Russian anvil sustained a tiny nick from the nail test like the Chinese and American ones. Under the 100 ton test it held fine just like the American one. Scratch test they all showed a mark, Indian clearly lost all three. China looked OK and then snapped at the neck during the pressure test. US and Russian survived fine.

I watched the video.

Russia is a third world shithole

>>512989428

NO SAAR DO NOT REDEEEEEM!!
These lowlifes cant even make a block of metal and we import them to run our companies.

>>512985528
And definitely over weight.

>>512984089
>guaranteed replies
are you crazy. the hohol anvil was obviously worse. chinesium did about what I would expect. the indian anvil had a regular ass nail driven through it.

>>512993413

Yes, because it was made by white people.

>>512986127
Doesn’t even touch the Warner Brothers ACME brand anvils frequently featured in both Bugs Bunny and Roadrunner films.

>>512983456 (OP)
My opinion of a country is now based off the strength of its anvil.

wouldnt the russian one be the winner, since like a tinny bit of give means it wont eventually snap like the american one?

Know a guy who has one made in sheffield England, it's old but sounds like a bell when its struck. After tons of use the flat part has almost no indentation.
My harbor freight anvil is dented all to shit

>>512986230
That is a romanticized view. But there was at least some reason for loyalty, which lead to harder work and pride. Also, no forced retarded DEI to further humiliate your worth.

>>512994615
ironically, thats a infinitely better value judgement than something kiked like gpd brotha

>>512992725
>07:19

>>512983456 (OP)
>Anvils from 4 different countries tested in the crusher: India, China, Russia, USA
Take note the USA made one is OLD, because we don't produce anything in America anymore.

>>512993778
America zero scratching, survived both presses better.
I swear you didn’t even watch.

>>512984089
why doesnt russia make shit still, I understand american not making shit anymore but russia has room to make neat soviet moderne type shit

>>512984390
thank you
i immediately closed the video when i saw the 10 minute duration

>>512994423
Old US steel was japanese.
That's why it lasts forever but is shit now since it's made by chinese and spics.

>>512985945
>As much as I love to 'murica flex, how much does this really matter?
It's a demonstration of mentality.
The American, Russian, and Chinese anvils are all toys, but they are made to the standard of actual full size anvils.

The Indian one is just a toy. It is an anvil shaped object but beyond that is a piece of shit made of the lowest quality metal made with no heat treatment or expectation that it would ever be used by an intellectually curious young mind, and if by some chance it did happen to be put to the test by an ambitious child, well the anvil maker made his money and that's all that matters. Pure scam culture. Arguably the Chinese one also demonstrates some traits of scam culture as well since it's built to a lower standard than the American and Russian anvils, but that's probably more corner cutting and the expectation that a child doesn't actually need a fully capable iron than anything else.

>>512985401
I think I saw him, weird little guy in like Arizona? Somewhere in the desert,? Yea everything here is fucked, modernization is a scam, communist jews prolly, every jew is a communist

moral of the story?
NEVER EVER buy anything made in INDIA

>>512984876
>>512985193
>Mutts have to pretend to be numba wan by comparing the best anvil they ever produced with a Russian children's toy
Howling with laughter.

>>512995701
Yea that guy

>>512993413
yes actually, steel mills still exist here because it's considered a strategic resource. Quality steel is made here to be used here by law. Corpos cut corners but the Gov isn't allowed to with the exception of current DOD retardation regarding sig.

Comparing old powerdrills is also fun.
1950s-1960s american stuff, quite modern looking design, still works like new.
1950s-1960s soviet stuff, rugged sturdy design, still works like new.
1950s-1960s chink/pojeet stuff : Disintigrates immediately

>>512985193
Based Russians. I always wanted an avil since I was a child

>>512995587

> memeflag with meme answer

Did they fold it one thousand times also?
Japan had nothing to do with that anvil.

>>512983456 (OP)
Comments are gold. Jeet niggers, our response?

>>512995570
Zoom zoom

>>512985323
Mine was built in the early 70s. Am I screwed?

>>512984713
I had a Sunday emergency that required a two jaw pulley to remove a gear off a shaft. I didn’t have that pulley so found an open tool store and they had the exact size needed. Looked at this tool with “made in India” stamped on the tool. Bought it anyway and guess what happened. Just fucking guess.

>>512995570
you are a failure of a human being and deserve no place on this earth

>>512993413
Hardened, strong steel exists. It's an exact science. It's just cost optimization. For example, you can find a used trackhoe (with some repairs needed) sometimes for cheaper than a brand new large bucket that you attach to it (because the bucket and teeth are extremely tough steel)

>>512997697
Yeah, it turned in to a Monday emergency. Indians are niggers.

>>512984315
The Indian one is probably literally random scrap metal they cast in literally a dirt hole
It's completely unhardened. It's like a fucking marshmallow.

I've seen them cast giant fucking gears using this method, like 20 foot hears for something big and probably expensive

>>512984089
American one is needlessly robust.

>>512983456 (OP)
>Anvils from 4 different countries tested in the crusher: India, China, Russia, USA

Propagandistic video that I didn't even watch.

https://www.bluequarkresearch.com/blog/us-imports-industrial-commodities-from-russia

>>512986230
don't be a retard kraut. you can still purchase quality american made goods, but at a premium. it's not worth anyone's time to produce slop stateside so the quality is there.
>if it wasn't for the allies, german would still be speaking german.
>>512986414
>>512985795
based. didn't have money growing up so my toys were lincoln logs and erector sets. not sure if you had an equivalent.
>>512989428
did they make it out of jeet spines?
>>512990717
tasting the rainbow faggot cuz we got every incel of every race who happen to hate kikes, niggers, spics and especially newfags

>>512983456 (OP)
That'll be helpful next time I'm buying an anvil to crush .

>>512984089
Thanks king

>>512986127
Hot damn son. there is something about gouged and weathered drop-forged heavy metal objects that really makes my pee pee stir. Its so satisfying on a primordial level. I just wanna wipe that heavy chunker down with a well oiled rag.

>>512998217
You think?

>>512985769
That's why everyone wants to build their hot rods out of pre-70s engine blocks.

>>513000623
There's no fucking parts and of you have money to pay a machine shop you have the money to engineer a new block that's better than antiques were

why did india need to be part of this test? why are they making anvils?
stop it, india

>>512998241
You're such a bitter little bitch. Take a 23&me and show us those Turkish bitch genes of yours

>>512983456 (OP)
>the Indian one turns into a cow patty
Kek

>>512983456 (OP)
Based our Blackedsmithery is unmatches

>>512984089
China is India tier, ROFL!

>>513003368
China actually hardened theirs, that's why it snapped instead of squished

>>513002303
Jeets will make and sell anything you're willing to buy

I wish I could find that video of them making a 20 foot hear by pouring pot metal made from random scrap into a hole in the dirt. God knows someone installed that in the transmission of some $50,000,000 caterpillar

>>512985193
Cope, zigger. Everything that comes from your shit hole is garbage quality.

It's over for China!

>>513002894
>>513002894
>>513002894

>>512984315
>but the Chinese steel was brittle or had a casting or forging flaw
It just a had a thinner waist

>>513003587
You don't actually want to harden the entire thing, you want hardened work surfaces but ductility in the rest of it. The other problem with the Chinese one is that the neck was slim, which is not a good combination because strikes off center can stress it. It was probably like that because they cast the entire thing.

>>513003698
Not true, the other ones flattened and squished rather than cracking.

>>512983456 (OP)
Why are they using these comedically small children's anvils?

>>512983456 (OP)
>American anvil is brown
it's like poetry. it rhymes.

cast iron anvil is not anvil.
wrought iron body with forged steel face is true anvil

>>513004391
Well the Russian one was apparently a children's toy from USSR. And Anvils are sized for the work they are doing. I suspect the Indian one was a jewelers anvil which is why it's so soft in order not to scratch precious metals. silver and gold are very easy to scratch.

As for the US and China anvil they are likely bench anvils to work on fine and small hard metal work of some sort. Likely to hand craft iron or steel decorations, locks, metal tool making or similar sized hard metal crafting.

>>513004391
>in soviet russia comedically small children are anvils

>>512983456 (OP)
Based Russia, thought they would be China tier, but proved me wrong.

>>512983456 (OP)
This is an ad.

>>513007391
No, it's a reality check

>>512989428
OH NONONONO BHARATI SISTERS OUR RESPONSE!!

>>512989428
ITS SO FUCKING BAD

The muttmerican is the fatter of them all (metal mass). This test is interesting just as a kid experiment, what was the cost of each?

>some shitty Russian piece of iron does shit
>hohol screech and go full chimp mode
Wtf?

>>513007356
I wish my dumb nephew would not lose some tools my grandfather left behind made in the 50's, including a large blade axe.

>>513010359
hoholism is a mental ilness, like faggotry.

>>512985193
>Strongest American anvil barely beats a Russian toy

Kem

>>512983456 (OP)
anvils are supposed to be big, not fit in the palm of the hand

>>513011254
Depends on the size of the job

Next you'll tell me hammers are supposed to be 20 pound sledge hammers instead of pinky ,

>>512983456 (OP)
Pajeet in the comment calling it fake video

>>512995760
>the best anvil they ever produced
Doubt.
But that toy anvil is likely just smaller than the real thing. Same material.

>>512983456 (OP)
Finally, a quality thread.

>>512995570
you clearly value your time, good job
>>512984390
>>512984089
thank you for the public service

>>512983456 (OP)
what's with the discount terminator music that is off beat?

>>512989078
kek dwarf fortress tier

>>512993413
https://www.makeitfrom.com/material-group/Iron-Alloy