Thread 512995252

God cannot be All Good, All Powerful and All Knowing, simply as a matter of logic.

If God is All Good, then He can't do anything Evil, which is a limitation of Power.
If God is all Powerful then He can redefine "good" to mean "evil" at whim so the words are meaningless. If God is All Knowing, then everyone's lives are just a record needle sliding through a track and no real choice is possible, and neither then is any powerful action or morality.

Logic is the study of Logos, or of the fundamental order of the universe. Therefore, an illogical conception of God, who is Logos, is a poison dagger in the heart of a civilization.

>Western God
YHWH is not a 'western' god. He's a middle eastern deity.

>>512995361
I'm referring to the Western theological concept of God. The rabbi's say that God creates both good and evil so He is not wholly good, they also seem to believe that he's easily tricked so not all knowing, and he fails at things in the Old Testament so he's not All Powerful

>>512995252 (OP)
Sure, it's entirely possible. But you, as an eastern world descended creature that has slavery and evil imprinted into your genes , would never be able to comprehend how it is possible.

>>512995252 (OP)
whatever namefag

Replace All Good with All Present.

Your image is a lie and your argument fails at the very first step. lurk moar.

>>512995252 (OP)
Keep seething.
It appears that you are not created to be a believer.
Notice how you choose to reject God even knowing that you could be saved by simply admitting you are imperfect and trusting in Jesus for salvation.
All He is doing is honoring your freewill choice.

>>512995524
Rabbis say this to trick you. Evil only exists because of free will. Not because God creates it out of thin air.

>>512995252 (OP)
It's almost as if He who made creation can bend it how He pleases.

>>512995361
Which was coincidentally under roman rule.

Which made it european.

Unless... the aryan turbo white romans were actually a multicultural shithole.

LARPagan kikes raiding the board

>>512995524
plot twist: he pretends to be easily tricked to trick you

>>512996096
Notice they never go into detail about their kinds of paganism? Yeah because they are jewish.

>>512996021
If He can bend the definitions of "good" and "evil" then the words do not have objective meanings and discussion of Him is vain and pointless. But such a God would not be Good by objective standards.

>>512996091
Rome actually was a multicultural shithole which led to its downfall.

>>512995958
life is cannibalism

cells eat/destroy each other to live

life is the definition of evil

>>512996628
Nah it's simply an interchange of matter, nothing is destroyed. And cannibalism has a specific meaning, eating one's own kind. It's forbidden in life in general, there are mechanisms for this.

>>512995252 (OP)
Hey look this guy knows better than God, what a cool dude. Amazing how you can see everything and know everything from one perspective and a 3lb brain.

>>512996745
Life is an inexorable theater of cannibalism, a relentless ballet of cellular annihilation. Beneath the veneer of vitality lies a macabre truth: survival predicates destruction. Cells, ostensibly cooperative, are in fact bellicose entities, perpetually engaged in internecine warfare. Autophagy, apoptosis—these are euphemisms for biochemical homicide. The mitochondrion, once a symbiotic guest, now commandeers energy through metabolic subjugation. Phagocytes devour pathogens with rapacious zeal, masquerading as custodians while enacting molecular genocide.

Even multicellular organisms are amalgams of parasitic ambition. Cancer, the apotheosis of cellular insubordination, exemplifies the intrinsic proclivity for self-devouring chaos. Evolution itself is a sanguinary gauntlet, rewarding the most duplicitous, the most ruthless. Altruism is a façade; kin selection is merely nepotistic cannibalism in disguise.

To live is to consume, to obliterate, to dominate. The biosphere is a crucible of predation, where flora strangle competitors and fauna eviscerate prey with Darwinian impunity. Every heartbeat is a tacit endorsement of systemic carnage. Life does not flourish through harmony—it metastasizes through conquest. The cell is not a building block; it is a battlefield. And existence, stripped of its poetic delusions, is nothing more than a perpetual, voracious feast upon itself

>>512995252 (OP)
>If God is All Good, then He can't do anything Evil, which is a limitation of Power.
No, evil has no positive existence; it's the deprivation of the good, i.e. God's energies. It's impossible for God to be deprived of Himself.

>If God is all Powerful then He can redefine "good" to mean "evil" at whim so the words are meaningless.
Good is, again, God's energy; and God never changes.

> If God is All Knowing, then everyone's lives are just a record needle sliding through a track and no real choice is possible, and neither then is any powerful action or morality.
God is outside of time; His knowledge doesn't cause one to make his or her decisions, and so free will is preserved.

>Logic is the study of Logos, or of the fundamental order of the universe.
John 1:1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

>>512995252 (OP)
That's because most Christians insist that Logos is God, when Logos is just one of the two primordial differentiations of the One, along with Chaos

>>512996798
Christianity says that Jesus was God in a human-sized form that even little children could understand

>>512995958
Free will is inconsistent with an all knowing God. If he knows what you're going to do in advance, your future is predetermined. If your future is not predetermined, then God isn't all knowing. This paradox remains unresolved by all denominations.

>>512996531
God IS goodness.

Evil is just merely a lack of God, which explains and perfectly backs uo hell which is described as an "absence of God"

The whole discussion of trying to measure God's will is pointless because we are fundamentally discussing a being above humanity, which therefore makes understanding God impossible to human minds.

And yet we can comprehend this very concept which places us above any other living lifeform which adds credence to the idea that humanity was built by divine intervention.

>>512995252 (OP)
>God cannot be All Good, All Powerful and All Knowing
He isn't,
you're attempting to "frame the argument" maybe try taking a debate class instead of atheism 101
OP is a faggot

>>512995252 (OP)
>If God is All Powerful, then any actions are permisable to God whatsoever and they are good, so the concepts "good" and "evil" have no inherent meaning. "God is good" is just tautology.
>To "be good" requires the ability to choose between good and evil, but if all choices are pre-known then no choices are possible.
>If everything is pre-known, then it has no moral character of "good" or "evil," as no actual choice is involved.
None of these statements are objectively true, only subjectivity true based on a specific, arbitrary definition of 'good'. It is possible to make a definition of true which does not meet this criteria and thus breaks the logic of this image. I don't even believe in god and think this discourse is retarded but just pointing out the issue in the logic here...

>>512997132
Let's say you can mind read a child, you can predict every fiber on his body.

Then you give him any toy in the world, and a whole mansion, and even a forest.

You do not intervene, you only intervene either if that child asks for your intervention, or is in serious danger.

Does that child lack free will?

No, just because you are aware of everything he did, does, and will do, then that child still made his own choices regardless.

>>512997363
Definition of good*

>>512996941
>Life is an inexorable theater of cannibalism
Not at all, even the most basic single-celled creatures are averse to it and will take in rival species in preference.

>Autophagy, apoptosis—these are euphemisms for biochemical homicide.
They are healing processes as well and are not cannibalism, cells have a programmed life cycle.

>Phagocytes devour pathogens with rapacious zeal, masquerading as custodians while enacting molecular genocide.
But this isn't cannibalism, which is defined as a species eating its own kind.

A human's cells dying and regenerating isn't a mode of killing and eating another human, just the natural process of the replacement of its component compliment.

>Cancer
Environmental, largely, and rarely caused by inherited mutations. It's not cannibalism, it's a disease.

>To live is to consume, to obliterate, to dominate.
Nah look at algae, all it does is live and multiply and get eaten. It doesn't even consume, it lives in a substrate and floating molecules glom onto it by being admitted to the cell membrane.

All in all I rate this AI generated comment as uninspired.

>>512997132
>Free will is inconsistent with an all knowing God.
Nope, it's not.

>If he knows what you're going to do in advance, your future is predetermined.
That doesn't follow. Sorry. You're going to have to do a better job, don't just assume this flies for a proof. Engage in a logical proof of this statement.

>>512997240
>God IS goodness
found the kindergartner

go suck your thumb

>>512995252 (OP)
Pagan gods are divisive and anti European

>>512995252 (OP)
God’s power is defined by His perfect goodness, not limited by it (1 John 1:5, Matthew 19:26).
Good isn’t arbitrary, it’s His nature, the standard of morality (Leviticus 11:44).
Foreknowledge doesn’t remove free will, humans still make real choices (Joshua 24:15, Isaiah 46:10).
God = Logos, the rational order of the universe (John 1:1), so coherent by definition.
Calling Him illogical is the actual illogical part.

>>512995252 (OP)
The logical fundamental principle of the universe is that there has to be a God who is capable of being everything, the concept of omnipotence defines it.

You read the book and missed the plot

>>512995524
A being that is perfectly good would have the greatest understanding of the purest evil.

>>512995252 (OP)
>Western
Chink post

>>512997533
a laughable fallacy.

In truth, these microscopic entities engage in relentless, internecine warfare, devouring their own kind with Machiavellian fervor. Amoebae, for instance, exhibit rapacious tendencies, engulfing fellow protists in a grotesque display of cellular gluttony. This is not mere survival—it is cannibalism, executed with Darwinian precision.

Paramecia, ostensibly benign, are no less culpable. Under duress, they metamorphose into predatory juggernauts, deploying toxic trichocysts to incapacitate and ingest their brethren. Such behavior is not anomalous—it is endemic. The microbial milieu is a veritable coliseum, where phagocytosis becomes a weapon of fratricide.

Even bacteria, paragons of simplicity, are embroiled in this cannibalistic charade. Bacillus subtilis, for example, secretes lytic enzymes to annihilate genetically similar cells, appropriating their nutrients with sociopathic indifference. This biochemical betrayal underscores a brutal ethos: consume or be consumed.

To romanticize microbial life as cooperative is to ignore the incontrovertible evidence of their predatory proclivities. These unicellular marauders are not passive participants in nature’s tapestry—they are voracious, opportunistic cannibals, driven by an insatiable imperative to dominate, digest, and survive

>>512995252 (OP)
Hello saar/shalom yid

>>512997627
No, he's right. Good is a Divine Energy belonging - definitionally - to God, as is love, truth, and life, so that we can say, God is love; and God the Word Himself, Jesus Christ, the Mediator between God and Man, said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

>>512998126
keep coping religionfag

me and you and everyone in this thread is going to die and you don't know what will happen so stop pretending like you know