Thread 512996053

It's it true that CPR is actually one of the most over hyped, worthless things you can do for somebody dying? I've heard some reports that apparently most CPR events don't do anything to help save anyone's life... Why is the myth perpetuated?

>>512996053 (OP)
I went to paramedic school in 2013/2014. Our health professor told us that CPR can be helpful to know, but literally has a 5-10% chance of working in good conditions. I don't have any facts to back that up, but that's what I was taught.

>>512996131
5-10% is pretty good

>>512996053 (OP)
Either you do something in an attempt to improve the odds or you twiddle your thumbs.

>>512996131
Thanks man

>>512996053 (OP)
>It's it true that CPR is actually one of the most over hyped, worthless things you can do for somebody dying?
It only works on the healthy dead, like someone who drowned or maybe whose heart stopped in a wreck.

>I've heard some reports that apparently most CPR events don't do anything to help save anyone's life... Why is the myth perpetuated?
Because the American Heart Association makes alot of money off of it, and EVERY BOOMER ON EARTH WANTS THAT LAST CHANCE TO LIVE ANOTHER DAY WITH THE 'BEATUS. Boomers won't lift a finger to make their life any more livable, but htey expect anyone in medicine to turn into Jesus and raise them from the dead.

>>512996131
>5-10% chance of working in good conditions
Note they did not clarify what those conditions are.
You have to dig hard to find that.

>>512996753
See above.

>>512996850
Wrong.
It is mostly corpse desecration requested by boomers.

t. AEMT

>>512996990
Those boomers just need ONE MORE DAY of margaritaville mowing their lawns...

>>512996753
Included in those 5-10% is likely the chance to revive someone to irreversible brain damage as well.
Usually, those estimates only care if the person lives somehow, no matter how fucked up they are afterwards.

>>512997093
No.
They have other people do the mowing now.
That gives them more time to eat and overdose on prescription medicines, which is totally different and way better than what young people do with street drugs.

You know how they accuse every person under the age of 65 of being entitled, lazy, wasting the inheritance, drug addict, or any other bad thing they can think of?
It is absolutely projection.
The reason EVERY ambulance service in the USA is short staffed is because calls are WAY up, and pay is still not.
I'm a trophy husband and only work part time, so it's no big thing, but I only make a little over $15/hour.

EMT-B I only just passed the exam. Instructor at the station said it almost never works like 1-2% in his experience, but if you're doing it it's because there's literally nothing else possible to do and they're a corpse so try anyway.

>>512996053 (OP)
You will almost certainly not revive someone from CPR alone. However, you will keep oxygenated blood going through the body, slowing the rate of organ death and brain death.

The goal of CPR isn't to revive someone on the spot - it's to keep their body and brain in good enough condition that it is still worthwhile to attempt to revive them in a better setting. This is how CPR "saves lives" - because their brain can still be in good condition when the ambulance arrives as opposed to having been oxygen-starved for 10 minutes.

That's the point of basically all first-aid in serious circumstances; you're not trying to outright fix anything, you're trying to minimise the damage so that it CAN be fixed.

Even if there's only a 5% chance your CPR will save someone's life, there's no reason to NOT do it if they're not breathing and don't have a pulse. You're not going to make them more dead. Though if it's something like a decapitation, I wouldn't bother. Also if there's a lot of blood, put some gloves on first or go get some PEP afterwards

>>512996053 (OP)
Last CPR course I attended, about ten years ago, they had changed the compression's from stopping after 15 to give two breaths to going on to 100 compression's or even indefinitely until help arrives in some instances. The reasoning was that the heart, being like a pump, needs to be primed. So each time compressions were paused, it took at least 5 compression's to prime the heart again. Also, there is enough oxygen in the blood to keep the brain alive as long as the blood is circulating for sometimes up to ten minutes from what I remember. This may have changed again since though.

>>512997255
>revive someone to irreversible brain damage as well
Good point.
It's been awhile since I looked, but I think the successful ones who actually have some quality of life are around 1% or a little less.

>>512997424
>nothing else possible to do and they're a corpse so try anyway.
Pretty much.
I get to give them Epi in addition.
Luckily we have a Lucas.

>>512997454
No, we are talking about CPR with defibrillators.

CPR on it's own just breaks the ribs and makes a mess for the undertaker to try to embalm.

>>512997424
Former paramedic. It works well for near drownings (thanks baywatch,) and surprisingly well for children who are unresponsive, but it’s performative for any adult who’s not breathing/no pulse.

>>512996131
>>512996053 (OP)
CPR black bill.
If someone is dying their troubles are over, it would be cruel and unusual to save them, forcing them to experience more daily earth

>>512997542
I'm at a volunteer station and every one of my co-volunteers are obese or 50+. I have only been doing it a month and have not done it yet, but I can already tell Lucas will be a livesaver, nobody else can do compressions for any period of time.

>>512997679
Oh that's the other thing the senior members told me, when it comes to children and espescially infants we always keep doing it even on a stone cold corpse until we round the corner away from the house just for the parents sake.

>>512997679
>children who are unresponsive
Thought we had that a few months back, luckily the mom just panicked.
Had to airlift, but wasn't too bad off.
I do not look forward to the day I have to work that.

>>512997743
It also helps because you can get tehm loaded while doing CPR, so you don't have to just sit there with everyone watching you desecrate the corpse.

>>512996990
Every construction worker needs to know CPR, but that's mostly for shocks.

>>512997478
Fwiw, grok 4 claims 47% (or nearly half of the survivors) end up with cognitive decline when the CPR happened outside of a hospital.

>>512997853
>shocks
If they are going to live, the AED is what will save them in most first aid scenarios.

>>512997886
Well, that's a rather rosy outlook compared to what I thought!

>>512996053 (OP)
With Cardiac arrest your odds increase if you keep blood pumping, CPR can be vital but it's a 50/50 depending on the patient, health of their heart, arteries, etc.

I do not want the liability with it, I was in public when someone went down, their daughter said her daddy has heart problems I just called 911, I did not want to be blamed for fucking it up when the fire station is 3 min down the road. Some fat hog in scrubs wobbled down a min later screaming "I'm a nurse!" and she did it. EMS took the guy away, cops took the daughter. Not sure if he died or not, I know how to do chest compressions but I wouldn't do it for a stranger. I will do it for my loved ones until EMS arrives.

One thing to factor into living somewhere is the quality of the emergency medical services, if it's a nice big plot of land in the rural county you will most likely have a volenteer EMS/Fire system not funded by tax dollars. The response time can be from 20 min to over an hour in rural areas. City or suburb paramedics usually have experience, learned from their mistakes in the field and are subject to more stringent training to retain certification.

>heart quits beating
“I know, just pump FOR it!”

This is the basis of CPR. It works as well as that sounds

>>512996053 (OP)
I learned CPR so I could make out with strangers and later claim I saved them.