Thread 513052975

Machine guns and breech loaded artillery did the same in WWI until tanks came along and broke the stalemate. What will be the next innovation that returns offensive maneuver to the battlefield?

>>513052975 (OP)
Something that kills drones easily and effectively

>>513052975 (OP)
Ground robots who are hunter-killers

>>513052975 (OP)
Judging by recent ukrainian localized collapses, whatever Russia is using rn
In fact Ukraine is relying more on drones rn yet also losing more land than during the 2023 stalemate when drones were much less commonplace, ofc this also has to do with being generally outgunned and manpower shortages, the former leading to the latter, but it does show drones are not a panacea

>>513052975 (OP)
The next innovation that beats drones would be jets. They fly way out of drone range and can just bomb you to shit.
Maybe Russia will reach this outwordly technological level once.

>>513052975 (OP)
Probably either drones for taking out drones. Or lasers for destroying them.

>>513053273
>localized
kek. so very localized.

>>513053537
Off my memory, the bridgehead around Northern Kupysansk and the western banks of the Oskil, the area between southern Chasyv Yar and Konstantinovka, and ofc North of Porkovsk/West of the Dobropilya

>>513053672
Maybe if Russia goes all out, by the end of this summer they will be back to where they were in October of 2022.

>>513053672
>total area: 100 square meters

>>513052975 (OP)
cANT SEE SHIT

>>513052975 (OP)
Smaller AI hunter-killer drones that take out the bigger drones

Current drones are just a transitional technology. Soon drones will be self-targeting and immune to any form of jamming.
The only reasonable counter to them I see right now is portable affordable laser cannons, although we are seemingly much farther away from them than from cheaply produced AI drones.
All in all the whole offensive doctrine must be rewritten from scratch. Maybe with more focus on targeting enemy infrastructure like electricity, water and fuel supply in cities so that the economy grinds to a halt and supplies don't reach the frontlines. That would be an option.

>>513053757
>>513053846
That was in 2023, now for the first time in 2022 we are seeing advances of Kms
>>513053757
The Ukrainian army will be in worse shape than it was in 2022
So will be the Russian one, except they can replenish losses in men and equipment far more easily due to larger population and industry

>>513052975 (OP)
Importing Indians to work in your opponents defense sector so everything is covered in shit and doesn't work

>>513052975 (OP)

Why's the last update from March?

The swinekraine must be doing so well, lmao, two more weeks, trust the pork van.

>>513054222
>Soon drones will be self-targeting and immune to any form of jamming
I agree. Normally that would make them much more expensive, but with advances in AI, probably not at all. It will create IFF issues though.
>The only reasonable counter to them I see right now is portable affordable laser cannons
I don't think those can be made affordable at all, and they suck up a huge amount of power. The weather also affects lasers.
>All in all the whole offensive doctrine must be rewritten from scratch
Agreed, but it is hard to say how. I think it might be ground robots that are disposable like drones are taking over.

>>513053419
Both sides have anti air though?

>>513054718
This is known as 丟屎防守 in the country where it was originally conceived
Not to be confused with the similar but different לשלוח קופים לגויים

>>513052975 (OP)
Ukraine is FUCKED in approximately 240 months

>>513052975 (OP)
Cyborg or bio weapons. After all biological beings are immune to magnets and certain kinds of defense that can disables machines.

>>513052975 (OP)
chemical weapons return. Just blanket a 5 mile wide stretch of front in whatever gas you fancy and then drive through. The winning move is to not deploy in an obvious position and spread out, which is also defeatable by classic armored thrusts.

>>513053185
H-Ks are Brobots.

>>513052975 (OP)
my bet is on sth akin to active ear protection but for sight. Active ear protection can make you actually hear more then you would normally. Same thing for vision: imagine sth that detects drones from afar and highlights them on your vision. And other easy to identify threats. Eagle eye camera with some basic preceptron.

Fixed wing drones that drop a guided rocket propelled 40mm grenade.
Drone to drone interceptors.
Ground to air, two AA12s on a gimble with radar targeting.

>>513055636
polish intellectuals invent binoculars
2015 Anno Domini

>>513052975 (OP)
my bet is on mine clearing drones.

>>513052975 (OP)
Realistically they represent the death of human infantry. Future wars will be land, sea and air drones. Production will be the deciding factor and between the countries that can keep up with production the split will be human operated and those that can afford AI controlled.

Any military force left behind will be obliterated.

>>513055395
Dude, there are no "magnet" weapons in use capable of disabling machines lol, and stuff like EMP devices are dramatically exaggerated by the media. Realistically the only "weapons" that work on machines but not people are stuff like radio jamming, which was a big factor earlier in the Russia/Ukraine war, when lots of radio controlled drones were being used. But then stuff like fiber optic cable and semi-autonomous drones started getting deployed and radio jamming does nothing to those.

>>513052975 (OP)

Artilery has been king since we developed it. People keep thinking we are moving into a new paradigm just for artilery to win again.

>>513052975 (OP)
Germ Warefare is coming back like you wouldn't believe
>inb4 war crimes
nobody cares. The west collectively forgot about nukes to the point where they might as well be fake and gay, but I have lept the faith that every government with money to spend on wars is spending money on manufacturing diseases to disperse. The best diseases weaken the opponent and the most sinister ones will change his mind. Good luck out there, Anons. Don't get crop dusted by the drones. You know the fleets will be coming.

>>513052975 (OP)

What you call GBE battlefield today is nothing more than an orchestrated skirmish. No one is bombing anyone's lithium mines, no one is bombing a drone parts factory and no one is bombing fiber optic cable maker's houses. It's so fake and gay that the fact that you can't see that makes me wonder if you're fake and gay too.

If there really is a "future war" that is actually a real war, we'll be left fighting with what we have after the nukes are done. There will be no drones hitting individuals like no one would use a JDAM to kill a fly, terrible cost benefit ratio.

The future war will be you and me lobbing bullets, swinging swords and punching fists as it has always been. Everything short of that is just some fake and gay skirmish. No one is going to seriously be fighting AI robots for more than their battery life lasts because we'll blow up all the power plants before we go do a retarded Normandy beach storming session. That's the beauty of defeating centralized system, there's always more of us than there are of them (them being their necessary centers of control).

Now if you're asking what future fake and gay skirmishes look like? Get ready for idiots getting mowed down by AI rolling pins.

>>513055856
>Realistically they represent the death of human infantry.
Literally.

>>513055758
you absolutely missed my point.

>>513052975 (OP)
Ignoring the battlefield and killing your politicians and executive class.

Here is my idea; ground based "drones" roughly the size of ATV mounting computer controlled machine guns, that act primarily as anti-drone AA devices, can also be used against infantry of course. Shouldn't be too hard design an AI that can look through some 360° cameras for incoming aerial drones and get fast shots off.

>>513052975 (OP)
Russian invasion was too soft, if they had gone into the infrastructure day one they would have won but instead they aimlessly advanced and then got bogged down.
IDK what the fuck their reforms were even for if they were just going to go with retarded non plan invasions.
They left the vdv people alone, they then had choppers just flying around like easy targets for no reason at all.
It was almost on purpose retardation which I think it was as this whole war is just a jewish cleansing of the young adult men of ukraine and russia.

>>513052975 (OP)
probably very high velocity rail guns or lasers with next gen radars for targeting

>>513053273
>2023 stalemate
you mean the counter-offensyiv?

>>513055964
To be fair with the current conflict, targeting infrastructure like that isn't viable for both side. The Russians are either building their stuff out of reach of most Ukrainian weapons, or importing stuff from China. Ukraine has attempted to attack some of those facilities (for example they did launch an attack on Russia's largest fiber optic cable plant earlier this year) but have not been that successful with it Ukraine itself isn't building most of its stuff, but getting it from other countries, and Russia does not want to risk all out war by bombing factories in other countries.

>>513055697
millions of anti-drone blimps, let's bring back dirigibles boys!

>>513053757
Only cost Ukraine all of its people.

tech bros refined gps and then refined radar so send a projectile into a drone is done with a consumer grade laptop and some farm eqipment.
personally i think 5g radio is the problem you could see the water bounce back after compression from the blades giving off a 23. something ghz signal, use stuff that is prexsiting, but the 5 g cell radio works near and often interfers with weather and water droplet tracking soo currently water phase change radation is hiding in a large haystack of cat videos.

>>513056970

What you said is what I believe to be true and furthers my point that the whole "war" is just a silky skirmish. They're running the same playbook that created WWI which lead to WWII. They figured out how to do it before with no repercussions and so they'll do it again. Except this time the planet is more populated and our weapons more devastating.

Humanity is the drug addict child and these tyrant's lies are the supply. If they keep marching back to get a fix, I'm not going to stop them, but if they call at 2am from a gutter in the rain, I'll pick them up in my jammies.

This whole thing is so retarded though. I'll shoot a draft officer, I don't even care anymore. I'm not dying for Satan's sinister plans.

Wars will mostly be fought in space. Satellites will be used to accurately target things like drones. Weather modification will be the defense against this, cloud seeding to block the view etc.

Bump because thread isn't shit 1pbtid faggotry.

>>513053846
the front line is all just temperate Fallujahs with well armed white people and tons of drones. Not surprised it's slow going.

frying drone operators brains via their vr goggle uplink or something

>>513053917
underrated, I'm kind of expecting this. I bet the Chinks have them already.

>>513055019
Spider silk ammo and defensive webbing everywhere.

>>513055964

GBE was a mistype. I believe I meant "future", darn degoogled phone.