Thread 513054455

Communism is retarded

>>513054455 (OP)
you're already correct.

>>513054455 (OP)
Yes

>>513054455 (OP)
Not only do I have no argument, but checked.

>>513054455 (OP)
Can you name one communist principle that isn't my dad hated commies?

>>513054455 (OP)
>change
it is worse than retarded

>>513054455 (OP)
Worse than that - its jewish
But so is everything else these days

>>513054455 (OP)
Marx was suspiciously agreeable with /pol/ in everything that is politically incorrect, surprisingly.

>rabidly antissemitic, called out capitalism for surrendering the entire world and centuries of tradition and culture to jews
>accused capitalism of ultimately being a system where the poor are inevitably prostitutes of the rich (which he partook in himself, paying poor women in his life for sex)
>said many cultures and ethnicities are simply incapable of even reaching industry and should perish in the revolutionary holocaust (he used the word holocaust), if needed
>accused liberals and leftists and social-democrats of his time of being all the same emasculated rabble
>advocated passionately for violent revolution
>never truly described how communism would look like, just advocated for the inevitability of conflict
>called democracy a debate club for the rich, and that the poor would leave of the slops of the bourgeois under welfare

If this dude were alive, he'd lurk here. Communism is very different from what is conceived by the emasculated american liberals (which he detested, read Critique of the Gotha program) and the idiotic propaganda-possessed american rightoids who think politics is eceleb drama and conspiracy theorists.

When I think of him, I think of a man who genuinely detested this world, his family and himself. And he was very effective into turning this hatred into a century of bloodshed, being the first Chud to fulfill the 'billions must perish' fantasy. He was also a NEET grifter who often partook in drama.

>>513055400
>anti-semetic
He was literally jewish.
>capitalism as a system where the poor prostitute themselves to the rich
Sure, if you describe selling your labor for monetary gain as prostitution but thats a huge fucking stretch and retarded
>he was racist
I'd need proof that he actually said that beyond a letter in which he once mocked a nigger
>accused liberals and leftists
Provide concrete proof
>violent revolution
This is not right wing nor is it intelligent.
>never described what communism would look like
because he is fucking retarded and had no real end goal only vague concepts of what he did and didn't want the future to look like.
>called democracy a debate club for the rich
1) source. 2 he outright advocates for democracy by demanding that everything be controlled by the people.

If he were alive today he'd be mocked off /pol/ then he'd become a tranny living off goverment gibs.

>>513054703
Old americans are not very educated when it comes to politics. This is by Cold War's design, they used to be too smart for their own good. As a matter of fact, during the Great Depression, they nearly had a fascist movement.

Here is why americans had to be dumbed down after 1945:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFytCr0VKnU

They are not a dumb people by nature, all it takes is a short trip to verify this. They are just indoctrinated. I have had easier time discussing politics with those raised in authoritarian regimes than americans born before the year 2000. They genuinely know very little of the world and might not even know what a communist actually is, since they needlessly complicated the language itself.

Particularly, boomers and gen x are the worst offenders. Millenials americans are just imbeciles, but boomers and gen x in America are a special case of pathology. They can be simultaneously the most confident and the dumbest people you will ever meet in your life.

I am so glad I am retired, no long have to deal with american nonsense. But I reckon they are getting better, much thanks to the internet and not the education system.

>>513056613
>if you disagree with me you are dumb
Amazing. Why are all of the southern American communist/socialist nations complete disgusting shitholes with the highest murder rates in the entire world?

idk mane china seemed to use conscious control of the economy to become the world's leading manufacturer and the most free market countries wound up selling off their industry to chase higher profit margin yet ultimately low growth industries. Without Communism you can either lose to China (current path) or kill a bunch of jews and continue losing to China

>>513056437
This is a prime example of american ignorance of their own Cold War ideological enemy.

>antissemitic

He literally wrote an essay called 'On the jewish question', which, of course, you have not read nor ever heard about.

>racist

You fail, just like americans, at even coping with how Marx can be brought in 21th century politics despite his 'problematic views'. You are probably enstranged to the fact there are even liberals who have flipped open an essay by him and realized that he is racist as it can be, enough to claim that less endowed races should be exterminated — which does not even fit racial stereotypes of the 21th century, which was fascinated with Asia and fantasized with civilizing (and thus, including) lesser races into christianity and civilization.

A short read on modern liberals shitting on Marx for being racist:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13569317.2019.1548094

>Marx and the welfare state

If you do not want the primary source, you can read on the extensive fight of Marx against the german welfare state advocates (led by SDP's founder La Salle. SDP is the sozial demokratische partei that is still around in Germany and inspired american liberals more than Marx himself).

https://iso.org.nz/2013/04/05/marx-and-the-lassalleans/

>2 he outright advocates for democracy by demanding that everything be controlled by the people

This is comically wrong and a cope by people who actively attempt to subvert modern systems into marxism by making it more palatable. You are yourself falling for a marxist practice of strategic lying by believing Marx was democrat to any extent. As a matter of fact, democracy is an idiotic system believed in only by people with an agenda or without a brain, so I do agree with him. Democracy would kill Jesus and acquit Barnabas.

10.1007/978-3-319-70600-9_10

>>513056745
does it have anything to do with the American blockades on those countries? I like how in order for your argument to work you have to specifically ignore east asian communist countries that the Burgerreich doesn't have the force projection to assfuck

>>513056613
Education on communism is not a right is a personal task that take balls and brain capacity like knowing how to dismantle a 9 mm

>>513056745
>highest murder rates in the entire world

Comically, plenty of american cities have higher murder rates than our most violent countries.

Anon, I do not consider you dumb or particularly ignorant due to a fault of your character, nor do I advocate for any virtue of South America. I do advocate for how horribly your education system has been, especially in the period from 1945-1968, which has damaged you irreparably by raising an entire generation of indoctrinated morons in a country that used to be highly educated and wordly.

I do recommend you read up on what marxism and communism actually entail. It is a differential that may set you apart from most people. You do not have to agree with his vision and you will find that his views mostly do not challenge your notions. They might even worsen them and further radicalize you.

>>513054455 (OP)
It's all semitic

>>513057969
Man south american intellectuals are awesome

I always took them for granted but nig nogs knew it all wrote it all and made cartoons of the complicated parts for easy understanding

>>513057427
Unfortunately, yes. Dogmatic opposition to communism or any other ideology can only take you so far, and even then you will fail to apply the principles that make you opposed to communism to any other proposed ideas. If this dogmatic resistance to communism is even allowed, it is because the powers thereby think it is convenient.

>>513057325
>the jewish question
In which he believes jews have to become atheist and then they will fit in with society which really worked out so well.

>I don't actually have any proof that he was actually that racist but I will pretend he was because it will make him look better in this particular crowd of people

>he was against the welfare state
>posts link in which is specifically says he was not and his only issue with the welfare state was that he assumed the state was attempting to appease communist revolutionaries
So he didn't want a welfare state specifically because he wanted the entire state to be 100% welfare? Again, seems pretty fucking retarded.

>marx didn't support democracy actually I swear
No its pretty obvious he did when all he did was shit on monarchies and wish for the masses to control society.

>>513057427
Ah yes the reason communist shitskin countries are shit is because of blockades even though the reality is that communism as an economic system should be able to support itself without globalist influence. Here we see an example of schrodingers communist. They're simultaneously against the globalist world order but require it to exist.

>>513057969
>American cities have higher murder rates than our most violent countries
This is just objectively false when you have countries with murder rates in the 100's. Why lie?

>your education was horrible
Funnily enough I was educated by communists.

>>513058978
>even though the reality is that communism as an economic system should be able to support itself without globalist influence.

Ah yes "globalist influence" why doesn't Cuba just national pride some rare earth minerals into existence lol

>>513059223
Ok but why can't they even feed themselves? Also why could the entirety of south America full of rich resources sustain itself.

>nooooo I can't heckin build a normal functional house if I don't have diamond tipped saws!!!

>>513059731
Rest assured Cuba can build houses. They just don't have access to the resources other economies do which hampers their growth. Food security in Cuba is also not particularly worse than other Caribbean nations despite the embargo.

>>513059731
You seem to think we are a product of ideology or any form of systemic system of beliefs, which allows you to judge the quality of our ideas by the example of our reality. We are not like this.

We are not like Russia or China, and not even like you (since your elites did one revolution in 1776 to topple London and the crown and set forth a blueprint for a very succesful country, at least until 1913 when you decided to become like us). No communist or anything else ever performed a revolution and re-imagined our states. The best quote to understand Latin America politics comes from García Márquez 100 years of solitude, when the classic liberals strip down every single value of them until they concede 'they are just fighting for power'. As a matter of fact, we are ruled by the very same elites still from the time of independence. We use ideology as a layer of aesthetics to what is classic patrimonial rule of might makes right. We descend from a colonization system not unlike that of the romans, where enlightened elites concentrated in cities (more orderly and beautiful than Boston and New York) make their orders sovereign on a rural, backwards country.

This roman system of ours created extremely intelligent (but also naively confident) and enlightened academic elites as well as extremely powerful managerial classes, but never numerous enough that we overproduced these elites and allowed them to challenge the structure of power. As a result, albeit the change of labels, we are still ruled in the same imperial fashion as in the early 1800s. Sometimes our elites decided that they are communists, positivists, anti-Russia or anti-America, but ultimately their only ideology was being pro-themselves and the have only decided what is benefitial for themselves.

>>513054703
are breadlines and cannibalism principles?
or are they just features?

>>513054455 (OP)
I will change your mind.

Communism is a designer trap that works every single time.
It promises the carrot to the degenerates, the envious, the psychopathic, uses them as cannon fodder for a regime change, and then delivers the stick.

>But it wasnt the real carrot!

>>513061860
So its cunning. Not retarded.

>>513061586
Features you can always make the line for free bread so you don't starve and you can't eat the rich

>>513061586
Feature. You control populations by the availability of food. Like livestock.

>>513061860
>>513061934
As expected, the best take comes from the 3rd-worlder. He does not engage in political religion and knows well how ideology is a waste of time to the struggle for power between elites.

Hopefully, americans will have learned this lesson by the end of the century, when they are not richer anymore than any other nation in America but far more repressive and miserable.