Thread 513068083

During COVID lockdowns, the government barred you from buying gardening supplies.
The WEF is now campaigning to ban home gardening because they claim it's "too inefficient" and that it "causes climate change".
In parts of Canada, they are issuing fines in the tens of thousands of dollars for just walking through the woods because they claim it'll cause forest fires, so foraging is out.
As always, they restrict your rights while claiming it's for your safety.
They buy up all the farm land and make sure you can't get food any other way than through them because they want you to be their SLAVES.
The mods are on their side and keep deleting these threads despite them being entirely political.

If you want to survive, you need to start growing as broad a variety of foods as possible.

The only way they can convince the youth of today to fight is by starving everyone who doesn't. If you want to resist, the first step is becoming less dependent on the big agricultural megacorps.

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Even from just a purely financial perspective, if you have land and you aren't growing some low maintenance perennials, you have a case of the dumb.
A mature hazelnut tree produces enough calories for you to live an entire month. The cost? Less than a bag of hazelnuts.

>>513068083 (OP)
Canadians WILL vote for this because they do anything daddy gov tells them to do

>>513072039
I still have my AR-15 and Trudeau banned it 5 years ago.

rebump

>>513073019
The problem with doing this is that the varieties you'd get at the store kinda suck.

>>513073019
>>513074714
Dunno about anything else, but that's not how mushrooms work.

It's not like they're hard to grow, but that's not how to do it.

>>513074862
I mostly just focus on perennials and a few select annuals. Haven't really tried my hand at growing mushrooms yet.

>>513068083 (OP)
I saw kiwiberries in the grocery store and germinated a bunch of seeds. they're on year 4 and like 19' tall vines but I haven't cut them back because I wanna see which are male and female first before going crazy
I've had a couple honey berry bushes that I've been spreading around with every pruning and they're slowly taking off where my strawberries failed

>>513068083 (OP)
and stop babies for fucksake


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0
>lol

now this is ONE place where I'm behind diversity

>>513075221
I fucking love my honeyberries. They're amazing. Way better than blueberries.

>>513075648
It's a shame we haven't bred sweet corn to be this pretty.

>>513075748
I found a place to get jersey tea plants I'm curious to try it out. if I Don't like it I'll stick it near my dish as just something nice to look at lol

>>513075797
I have a feeling they're not stable, they probably just revert to some dominant color after a while
but I don't know
sweet corn perhaps interferes with the color genes? is there blue or red sweet corn?
cuz there IS blue and red pop corn

>>513076431
You should get some wintergreen and maybe a spice bush!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkD8KUjyRRo

>>513076445
There ARE apparently some blue sweet corns, but I've never seen them at the market and I live in an area with lots and lots of corn fields.

>>513076653
ah well I do know some corn knowledgeable people but it'll take a few days to get an answer from them
so I guess some hobbyist with a bit of passion or some small angel investor kind of little operation (especially if it's "open sourced" in the sense you give away viable seeds) could make them a reality

>>513076653
I've got spice bush on a list of things to eventually get. I've got loads of wintergreen just growing wild but I've also planted some as groundcover where my grape vines are

>>513076844
Please do give them a shout, Anon. I'd love to hear what they have to say in a future thread.

>>513068083 (OP)
Bump.

>>513068083 (OP)
This has been deboonked, sorry sweetie

>>513076893
NICE.
How about a Schisandra vine?
It's also known as the "five flavour fruit".

>>513068083 (OP)
stick WEF people on pitchforks like vlad the impaler to make your farm more efficient

>>513068083 (OP)
>During COVID lockdowns, the government barred you from buying gardening supplies.
this didn’t happen
A>The WEF is now campaigning to ban home gardening because they claim it's "too inefficient" and that it "causes climate change".
also didn’t happen
every piece of knowledge you think you have from the internet is some half-remembered kernel of an article that you barely read that exaggerated some literally who’s opinion for the sake of a clickbait headline

>>513077013
>this didn’t happen
It absolutely did. I tried to buy stuff in 2020 and they wouldn't let me. I could buy candy but not exercise equipment or gardening stuff.

>>513075221
I think strawberries need alot of water, but also maybe they got eaten before you saw them

>>513076898
I will ya know scientists, if you talk about their interests they'll pay attention and answer heheh
I'll eventually find ya again, anons make permaculture and food security threads once in a while
and since most of those wilds and uncommon plants you talk about don't grow in these climates I mostly go CORN, or AVOCADO, since we do have a bunch of varietals here
oh and well you'll have no idea about the useful wild plants around here, heheh

>>513077229
Yeah, you guys are fucking spoiled when it comes to avocado. I'd love to try those varieties where the skins are smooth and edible.

>>513068083 (OP)
Parasites try to enforce ultra domestication.

>>513076961
never heard of that one. I'll add it to the list.
I try to do something new every year. This year was less about new plants and more ideas. I've been testing mixing ground up egg shells in some 30% vinegar I've had laying around and using it as a quick calcium boost fertilizer which has worked decently as long as I water it down a bit. Also after looking 2 weeks ago I've been successful in air layering some of my fruit trees
>>513077166
yeah water intensive and things eat them just like they do my cherries and the wild blackberries. I've got loads of wild mock strawberry that's harder to kill than mint and when I see the fruit it tastes better than store bought strawberries lol

>>513077347
Yeah, it's not super well known here, but it's very common in Asia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VEXIlkDZkw

>>513077013
Biggest Jew poster of the day award goes to this kike.

>>513068083 (OP)
C and D are polyploid, created with petrochemically refined mutagen, avoid, but chose C (tetraploid) over D (hexaploid). A, E, and P are all diploid cultivars and perfect to eat. Excellent dioecious taxa with tremendous health benefits benefits (if you can find / grow the diploids)

>>513076916
is the contentious part the "DEMANDS", and they're gonna pilpul me with they * suggested uwu*, the world should ban home gardening?
because if that's the gay ass "fact check" who's never gonna show me the actual pages, videos or quotes, I'd rather believe they're as evil as they've always turned out to be
ask your checkers about nestle and water as a human right?
>>513077284
oh they're tasty, some are plain, some have this light anise seed kind of flavor, and well we're not "spoiled" heheh, they're local landraces
we've got some long large ones with hairlike fibers inside that have a very strong avoflavor, and some bigass almost 1kg "sugar" ones, that have a huge amount of pulp and very light tasting
most are not grown even semi commercially (like as shadow canopy with coffee plantations, anymore

>>513077456
I got a chocolate vine last year
it flowered this spring but a couple super heavy downpours that knocked the flowers right off so I didn't get any fruit. It's grown pretty well though but a bit finnicky to propagate

>>513075648
All are bad pictured are bad, and many of those are downstream progenies from gamma garden cultivars, where the plants are exposed to radioactive cobalt-60 to induce mutation (if they don't outright die)

>>513077577
>some have this light anise seed kind of flavor
That sounds fantastic. I had someone describe it to me as eating butter.
>and well we're not "spoiled"
Most of the stuff I can grow in my zone is berries, most of which are rather sour.

>beach plum
>persimmon
>apple
>blueberry
>serviceberry
>strawberry
>fig
I want to get pawpaw. Anything else j should plant here in New Jersey?

>>513076445
A handful of those are excellent. Avoid anything that proliferated during the extended Victorian Era (1800-1910/20)

>>513068083 (OP)
Take the edible landscaping pill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foodscaping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WGmd8xHXTc

>>513077748
Blackberry?

>>513074714
i agree
i got some nice tomatoes from a neighbor
i am going to try to grow with those seeds

>>513077748
Quince, hardy kiwi, currants/gooseberries, mulberries (please plant red ones, they're the local variety), nannyberry, aronia...

>>513068991
Pawpaws are based.

>>513077748
peach

>>513077899
IIRC peaches aren't as cold hardy as most other stone fruits.

>>513072446
Still waiting to sell them my broken gun for 6x what I paid

>>513077710
ah I'm sorry friend, just took a pic of the pic on the internet, I'm no expert, but I've heard my corn friends speak kind of like that, heheh
and as you said, diploids and hexaploids and self replication bt* corn and, well it's over my head
>>513077725
some are yeah, kinda buttery, there's quite a few, some are as I said, this fruity aftertaste, oh and the leaves of them are dried, ground down and used to flavor beans (and sometimes a few other dishes) they taste pretty good too
>>513077725
ah well,winters are tough friend
>>513077814
yeah well these are actual mexican landraces, sad I didn't get a better resolution pic, we should start calling these people and getting the full rez ones to make a nice /pol/ganic folder, heheheh

>>513074862
>but that's not how mushrooms work.
why do they say that then?

>>513078032
>ah well,winters are tough friend
They really are.

>>513077954
I got two in 5a maine. just like pawpaws give them some cut grass or hay for the winter.

>>513076971
No, wood chipper then compost the remains. As David the good says; "compost your enemies"

>>513077827
reminds me of this vid
I don't know I think a SINGLE one of the weirdy herbs he talks about, but sounds mighty yummers (yt pepo have no culcha though)

>>513078116
3 much work 5 me.
I go with the least maintenance possible.

>>513077837
I did see a few (in the usa) digital seed stores called like, heritageseeds, and grandpa's varietals or somesuch that sold a whole bunch of smaller varieties of a LOT of crops
of course just outright trying to buy them here you'd need to traffick them, but I'm still interested in funny potatos, and the weird indian squashes, also the amazing job you gringos did with the marygold, thousands and thousands of marygold varieties

>>513077066
Oh, the blocked off aisles? LMAO, what a joke that was.

Canadians deserve the rake.

>>513077166
The thing about strawberries is that if you don't prune runners you get less yield and they can overcrowd themselves with baby satellite plants from said runners. Also patches tend to "tire out" in about 2 years and don't produce as much. Optimally you have a patch that you use to propagate runners to use to establish new patches that you prune for harvest and tear out old patches when they tire out so you can grow a good "green mulch" for a season then chop and drop to prepare that spot for replanting.

I have potted citrus trees.

>>513077748
JUJUBE

oh good the quebecer fruit fag is here to talk about his gay jellies and jams again with all of his housewives, I mean rebels

>>513074714

Depends on what stores you go to. If you know where farm stands are, save those. Also, onions don't typically regrow the full bulb; much like carrots, typically only the tops grow. However, if you're willing wait a year like with carrots and parsnips, the second year those tops will produce flower and eventually seeds.

No matter what you buy at the store, always save the seeds if you can be bothered; doesn't matter what they are. Even though most veg at the store blows chunks, it's mainly because the shit is picked way too early, shipped, stored, and then right before it goes out to the markets, many of it gets hit with specific gases to force ripening for the primo coloration to get people to part with their money easier. If you save those seeds, just plant them next year and you'll get the real deal, but vine ripened, so it'll be immeasurably better.

Also, even if the government says don't hike, tell them to go fuck themselves. Forage for Black Raspberries, Wild Grapes, Pin/Bird Cherries, Huckleberries, etc. If you time it right, especially with brambles like Roses and Blackberries/Raspberries, you can simply bring shears with you and take cuttings; those fucking things grow like weeds. If you can find wild Gooseberries/Currants, even better; Currant juice is unbelievably good and it's fucking crazy how the War on Currants/Gooseberies annihilated most of modern NA's population from ever getting to have them.

>>513078933

Forgot to add, you don't need to cut the pineapple top off; you can just twist the crown and then pull the bottom leaves off to expose the roots. Pineapple crowns are assholes like Avocado seeds where you can't really get them directly wet, they just need to be near water enough to force the root propagation, so you have to dangle them in a glass. You also have to time it correctly because the crowns will be dead by the time the pineapple itself is ripe.

If you really want to get into it, look into shelving, good grow lights, and heat mats. They'll obviously help for sowing most regular seeds like peppers & tomatoes, but they're critical for tropical shit, like citruses or cacti or oddball stuff like sapote. Most tropical seeds are recalcitrant, which means you gotta get them in the ground ASAP, because once they start drying, they die, rather than go dormant. Even if it's effort, any fruit tree can be made into a dwarf tree/bonsai with the proper effort and will fruit. That way you can have indoor oranges and other neato stuff.

Also, grow your own sugarcane. You'll never get a better version of sugar out there, and the shit never stops once you get it going.

>>513078335
They converted to self-checkout at the same time and anything in those categories WOULD NOT SCAN.
I was confused and called a clerk, but she just sighed and said she wasn't allowed to sell it.

>>513078603
Good suggestion.

>>513078933
>Huckleberries
I keep forgetting these. I should plant some.

>>513078740
Fine, you don't get any cheesecake.

>>513078321
How do olives do in Mexico, btw?

>>513078321
yes
i have a friend that stockpiles seeds
stores them in paper in glass jars after they have totally dried out

>>513078933
>>513079507
good posts

>>513076916
>they would never lie about their intent once they get found out
Shut up dipshit

>>513073019
>3 years until the first Pineapple
Fuck! Thats one hell of a fruit.

>>513080653
Pineberries are probably a safer bet, to be honest.

cheers, frens
gardening is currently the most revolutionary act you can do
jooos, always comical

>>513080118
pretty badly, I know there's SOME orchards in yucatan, but I don't hear much about them
the problem is it's basically not cold enough in winter where we have enough humidity in summer
and not humid enough in summer where we do have cold enough winters, so olives start growing about central california usa, THAT place they do like, mostly the same goes for grapes, but grapes don't need real cold winters and like DRY summers, so we do have some vineyards
>>513080206
problem is you have to kinda grow them regularly or they die, not all seeds are hardy for too long
keeping them in the fridge helps though
>>513080653
yeah even specially grown pineapples are a hassle, I know a guy in oaxaca that grows them pro, he depends on the pre growing hotboxes for the "seedlings" to plant, also they take a lot of fucking fertilizer and insecticide if you want good produce, also they'll fucking rip your goddamn pants apart when going thru the lines hehehe
his workers I think go thru like 8 double pairs of pants (secondhand shit pants) a season
cherish your pineapple juice friend

>>513081192
Ah, that's unfortunate.
A lot of people here are turning their apple orchards into vineyards. The trees only last so long before they stop giving apples and they are honestly a huge PITA, so I don't really blame them.

>>513081455
The higher you elevate these, the better the water pressure.

>>513081455
Is this just a complicated rain barrel?

>>513081294
>indian scientists
why does every single thing about this sound like bullshit.
I'll eat the plants because they taste good, not because cilantro binds to heavy metals lmao.

>>513077347
He's lying. That is a poisonous berry.

>>513068083 (OP)
did anybody tell the wef yet that spreading niggers, indians, chinks and jews causes climate change? are they ever going to find out?

>>513081587
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4AC6vFOKpQ

>>513081512
YES

>>513081602
Schisandra chinensis isn't poison, you liar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schisandra_chinensis

>>513079537
>WOULD NOT SCAN
Huh... guess it's free.

Sad thing is they will wait until the Covid horrors and treatment are out of memory before they try again and harder. And people will ASK for it.

BTW, anyone have any experience with rose hips? What varieties have you found that are more useful than others?

Did you know you can also eat tulip bulbs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC89TJHHCWg

>>513081865
Whoever wrote this is an idiot. Modern thermal imagers can detect a footprint an hour after the fact. You can't hide from that kind of shit with a mylar bag.

>>513068083 (OP)
>The WEF is now campaigning to ban home gardening
proof?

>>513082020
I saw Ruskies doing it successfully.
However if you start moving than the cover leaks

I think one of the biggest things people will struggle with during WWIII will be the lack of coffee.

>>513081467
ah, well they could re plant, perhaps even with better or cooler varieties
but apple wood is good, smoking and carving and cabinet kinda wood
OH! you made me remember this vid! check it out if you want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrMJ2RroLa0
I found it interesting, she goes around ancient forgotten orchards and finds old timey fruit and identifes many of them from paintings and writings
well, when I watched it it had the fucking video, don't know why those assholes deleted it and left the audio, but here's the companion writeup that at LEAST has a few pics https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/meet-italian-fruit-detective-who-investigates-centuries-old-paintings-clues-produce-180985227/

>>513068083 (OP)
>In parts of Canada, they are issuing fines in the tens of thousands of dollars for just walking through the woods because they claim it'll cause forest fires, so foraging is out.
that was a fire restriction
that guy wanted to challenge it legally, so he went to the police and asked them to accompany him so they could arrest him - which is a legal requirement so that he can make a legal challenge

tl;dr they system is working as it should iin this case, legal challenge proceeding

>>513068083 (OP)
They'll only get my eggplants when they pry them from my cold dead fingers.

>>513068083 (OP)
>if you want to survive
Big of you to assume

>>513077013
>from buying gardening supplies.
>this didn’t happen
>faggot

>>513082124
Oof... uneven knots are so classless.

>>513068083 (OP)
Anybody else interested in gorilla gardening? I plant edibles in the woods. Natives only. I'm beginning to play with the idea of weaponized gorilla gardening though. Fuck the government.

>>513082592
>>513082655
lol

>>513082616
>Natives only
This is very important if you do it.

>>513069183
>A mature hazelnut tree produces enough calories for you to live an entire month. The cost? Less than a bag of hazelnuts.
do you have any idea how long it take for trees to produce their first nuts?
hazelnut will be around 5 years, almonds sometimes shorter sometimes longer, pistachio maybe 7 or so, walnuts can be 10 years or more.
lots of other crops to consider

>>513081587
it's just two rain barrels on a pedestal so it will have a bit of pressure, of course if you were smareterrer, you'd design your house with like 3 floors, inside orchard, collect all that rain in the second floor, in a big room, use that water for everything downstairs, add a cistern to save overflow
>WAIT, oh nevermind I'm talking of a fucking abby

>>513074714
>>513077837
go to a big city and visit a nice store and buy the best stuff
problem solved

>>513081598
I've had that conversation with many a hippyish girl here
>oh so have you tried this herb or this other, oh and I think this herb could subsitute this other one from europe that I can't get here
ahhh but what are their properties?
>WHAT?
>WHAT? I don't fucking know, tastes good, people eat it, it's fine!, what fucking "properties"

>>513082756
Hazelnut can actually reach maturity in as little as 3 years depending on variety.
That's why I'm suggesting it.

>>513068083 (OP)
Natural sequence farming is awesome, rejuvenates the land, gives good yields and acts as a carbon sink but try telling our rural political party. They prefer foreign money and are a bunch of fakes.

https://youtu.be/Cz5vktTyDgk?feature=shared

>>513069183
Even when I lived in apartment I grew herbs, salad greens, tomatoes. Now I'm very sore a lot of the time so I grow citrus and just water them and trim them.

>>513077748
>>serviceberry
Mmm...Saskatoon berry.
Saskatoon berry pie, anyone?

>>513083335
Cheeeeeeeesecaaaaaaaaaake

>>513083254
>>513077462

If you put toothpaste on your bumhole the Elites get mad.

>>513082300
there's always mexican meth my friend
we got your back
>>513082550
based michiganders, gonna have to traffick burpee's catalog with a biker gang
>>513082616
yeah, seed bombs like they did in the 80's
un used lot, don't mind if I PUMPKIN IT faggots!
muahhahahaha

>>513083490
>un used lot, don't mind if I PUMPKIN IT faggots!
>muahhahahaha
This made me laugh too hard

The only permaculture that really makes sense is grass.
You need grass to grow meat.
It's that simple

>>513083318
interesting
the chinks are also doing interesting stuff with their regreening deserts
>>513083335
don't know what it is
just put on muh plate, looks good

>>513083433
>>513084294

I guess a bump is in order

>>513084072
Saskatoons are related to apples, but they are purple, the size and texture of a blueberry and taste somewhat like a blueberry with little seeds that taste like almond. Top tier fruit.

>>513078933
> if the government says don't hike
This is precisely why people should ostracize and shun cops.
Government overreach wouldn’t happen if it wasn’t for the parasites with the character of traitors that call themselves “law enforcement”. There isn’t a major problem facing western countries today that hasn’t been made worse because “law enforcement” too often acts in direct opposition of what is best for the majority of people.
Cops are POS

>>513084072
No they aren't. It's mostly Spraypaint

>>513084773
sounds delish
>>513084880
kek, come on, don't be a liar
it's not like they DON'T do that shit
and it's not like it's NOT working, enough that even wsj and other "real media" has been whining about it
un going, "you're killing the desert"
it's china, as usual, it's a mix of everything
just because you hate them doesn't mean you have to just mantra yourself, it's all fake, it's all fake

>>513073019
THANKS FRIEND