Thread 513091928

This book was taught to children for over two millennia. But in the 1950s they decided that they don't want you to know what it teaches. It's the most successful textbook ever written and yet you never heard of it.

They removed it from schools because it teaches you how to think, and they figured out that a population of thinkers doesn't make for an efficient society. The Soviet Union had just sent the world's first satellite into orbit, Sputnik. The West feared lagging behind and getting nuked, and thought making the population unable to think is how you make Western society more competitive against the Soviet Union. They had drawn this lesson when Prussia lost a battle against Napoleon in 1806. Prussia determined it was because their soldiers were thinking too much as a result of having been taught logic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid%27s_Elements

To give you a taste of what it contains, the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that? Then it tells you how you can know that the three sides are exactly the same length.

It's not like the math we are taught, which is a hollowed out version of math, this is the real thing, it gives you the actual foundation of math in deductive logic, working your way up from very basic concepts or observations, giving you a thorough comprehension of math, rather than rote memorization, and not just math but also logic, which is transferable to other areas of life, because it teaches you how to reason, how to think.

https://youtu.be/Q29U3_2PIiM

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookI/propI1.html

https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/Books/Euclid/Elements.pdf (page 8)

https://www.c82.net/euclid/book1/#prop1

https://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.1

https://archive.org/details/elementsofeuclid00eucl/page/15

Yes.

Delet this goy

>>513091928 (OP)

OP was based today.

>>513091928 (OP)
Mathematics is boring as fuck but it's good some autists devote their time to it. I think if modern nazis used the language of Mathematics they could circumvent any censorship since the psychopaaths and their cattle would have no idea what's going on.

>>513091928 (OP)
it's a good book
too complex for the modern mind though
we have to go back
at LEAST before women could vote and before the usa entered ww2
https://litter.catbox.moe/hrkgyroj3u1uizt6.webm
have a nice math vid friend

>>513091928 (OP)
I remember reading in a bio of Isaac Newton how he was inspired by reading Euclid, thinking: 'no way, that cant be true' then following the proofs

>>513091928 (OP)
>the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that?
YES
wtf is this shit

>>513091928 (OP)
Play eluclidea the mobile game. It teaches you this

>>513092604
allowing illiterate and innumerate 'students' to 'graduate' is just race realism - some are literally uneducable, so what to do? cant keep them in school forever, and branding them tards for life is not helpful. There are stories of American teachers who have spent an entire career 20+ years never once encountering a child capable of learning.

>>513092549
>>513092623
standing on the shoulders of giants
>>513092666
well we KNOW satan knows more things from being fucking old and eternal than for being satan
>>513092722
I like slide rules
>>513092745
I have my own ideas about how to deal with the school system, but you're not gonna want to hear them friend

>>513091928 (OP)
why do schizophrenics have to ruin everything?

>>513091928 (OP)
I managed to pass (AP) Calculus in High School, but Math was always my weakest subject and I hated every second of it. Geometry was different though, I loved it, crushed it, Aced it. It made sense, i could see it, no "imaginary number" type shit

>>513091928 (OP)
>They removed it from schools because it teaches you how to think
No, but because it's a very old and dated approach to math.
The modern formalism is very young and after ww2 they thought they could just teach the new axiomatic approach to children. But it turned out children are stupid and their parents didnt understand anything beyond arithmatic either.

>>513092549
>Mathematics is boring as fuck
You think it's boring because you were given a hollowed out version of math to merely memorize. As I said this is not like the math we are given. This is the real stuff, which gives you deep comprehension. Watch the video.

>>513093021
Nigger I did gymnasium and there was nothing axiomatic about math. It was all memorization, nobody could prove shit, nobody understood shit. Just solve equations all day like a soulless bug.

>>513092604
>too complex for the modern mind though
No, it's not.

>>513093021
>>513093111
And I had maths B

>>513092604
>too complex for the modern mind though

Nothing is too complex given 1 or 2 generations of good diet and hardwork.

How do you think the Chinese are catching up, or the Russians were the first to land on the moon despite being underdeveloped farmers before Lenin?

This whole doomer genetic determinism prideful self-masturbation needs to end if we are to be competitive again.

>>513093111
Yes, they obviously toned down the set theory approach after the parents complained, but there's still some ideas from the bourbaki group left in the modern curriculum.

>>513091928 (OP)
I agree with everything you've said and you may be the most based femboy queer on this entire board.

>>513091928 (OP)
In the old days (before ww2) most kids were working at age 16.
If you want universal education, with all kids finishing high school, then you need to make the curriculum simpler.

>>513093313
This is not true at all, I graduated a while ago and the teachers were unanimously agreeing maths was getting more difficult, not less (Imo it was more memorization, making it easier for females and harder for males).

Nowadays basisschoolers study for their CITO exams, which makes the exam itself easier so they have to raise the difficulty setting... but then everyone has to study or you fall behind. At this point it's not an IQ test anymore, just a test to see how well you could prepare. We are becoming soulless goy, easily replaced by AI.

>>513093149
>>513093245
I was being facetious I think they just don't want to TEACH they just want you in kindergarten till you're able enough to
press button
pay taxes
pay house and food and car
pay for stupid shit you don't need
pay for product you don't even want
pay for fear of missing out
lower your head
be a good golem
>>513093323
don't even get me started with swedetwinks my friend

>>513093021
Yeah kids just got really dumb for no reason after the war and it had nothing to do with teaching methods among others
>>513093089
My textbooks were absolutely abhorrent. Like they didn't want me to learn this stuff. However, all the maths didn't save the european race from becoming golems for jews. It's more than just math induced logical thinking.

>>513093245
>he believes in moon landing
maybe do less math and more history

>>513091928 (OP)
The book, in english, has 900 pages. Lots of commentaries that are lost on the online shortie. Explains what a hypotheses and a theory and a postulate is using ancients description. Pure gold but hard to follow

>>513093584
>Just focuses on 1 part of my argument, ignores all the rest

Low IQ and dishonest.

>>513092604
>>513092745
School doesn't exist for you to learn. That was my point in the OP. Teach yourself. Educate yourself on the Prussian school system and the Trivium/a classical education. Study grammar (Latin and Greek), logic, rhetoric and Euclid's Elements.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512644823


Latin

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

https://files.catbox.moe/zj3yws.mp4

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512229253

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512644823/#512647675


logic

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/508076799

>>513093619
I don't care about other parts if you regurgitate falsehoods retard, nor was I commenting on them, but given your emotionally narcissistic reaction to being called out on pushing jewish agenda I doubt you have any intellectual capacity worth opening your mouth in public about.

>>513091928 (OP)
I hate discussing anything which does not involve systematically killing jews because of how they rape children and make other do to blackmail them and they also did 9/11 and created central banks and invented religion. Euclid? Well fuck him. We need to TKD.

>>513093467
It wasn't more difficult. It was more abstract. And explaining to parents why their children learnt about surjective maps instead of multiplication tables wasnt successful, so they went back.
In school you learn how to calculate shit. The why you learn at university.

Geometry is one of the seven liberal arts. The seven liberal arts are the trivium:
>grammar
>logic
>rhetoric
and the quadrivium:
>arithmetic
>geometry
>music
>astronomy

The Freemasons study these subjects in the second degree. Furthermore the symbol of Freemasonry is the square and compass.

The book The Secret Teachings of all Ages by Manly P Hall has many pages about Pythagoras, who is known for the Pythagorean theorem, which is in Elements.

https://www.cia.gov/library/abbottabad-compound/E4/E4AAFF6DAF6863F459A8B4E52DFB9FF4_Manly.P.Hall_The.Secret.Teachings.of.All.Ages.pdf

>>513091928 (OP)
I've heard modern profs say how this book in highschool taught them proofs but now every school needs a discrete math course to teach the same thing

>>513094244
>manly pee hole

>>513093762
Euclid, Euler, what's the difference? You can't teach an idiot: Gödel, no matter how much Archimedes you run through the street naked.

>>513092666
Tell me how you do it then, without watching the video or reading any of the links. Then give me a deductive argument why the sides are exactly the same length.

>>513094244
>although Pythagoras excelled Plato in the profundity of his deductions
the allegory of cave alone is worth more than the entire esoteric math shit, but a midwit npc who wrote the book wouldn't understand it

>>513091928 (OP)
also if you're interested in lost curriculum latin used to be taught because it's a model for English and orher languages where you learn true declension and other grammar. In fact you can tell when someone has learned Latin they have an almost superhuman speaking ability that gets you advanced to executive boards and shit but no longer taught unless Elite like Boston grammar school

>>513094357
Boole did it better. It's all free on khanacademy anyway, no one even tries. Won't solve your fuel problem anyway, you're better off learning to can meat and distill alcohol.

>>513094479
Dont exaggerate it like that, in Germany and the Netherlands they still teach latin and greek if you do gymnasium, and no, it doesnt give you superhuman rhetoric.

It does give you a different way of thinking.

>>513094471
>allegory of cave alone is worth more than the entire esoteric math shit
>calls others midwits

>>513094465
>without watching the video
it's all in the video thumbnail tho

>>513092940
Elements is not only geometry. Furthermore it's definitely not what you were taught in school. Elements is all about logic, you were taught zero logic in school.

>>513094465
nah like I'd have to figure it out with monke brain, but ultimately I don't need a book to do bitch-basic geometry.

>>513094542
oh yeah public education full of zoomers on their phones is comparable to education in the past. Just watch any news report from before the war, the avevrage journalist sounds like a poet. Then there are people like Mosley who had speaking abilities beyond anything we see today. They just don't teach this kind of stuff to slaves (99,9% of the "free" and "equal" population)

>>513094471
>Esoteric math shit
Plato's Republic and Apology combined are worth less than Pythagoras' single theorem. Not that I don't have multiple copies strewn about.

>>513094576
>no argument
>acts like he proves a thesis
You just proved my point. If you read Plato you'd know how much you embarrassed yourself right now.

>>513094697
And allegory of cave is worth more than all his theorem. What point do you think you made?

>>513091928 (OP)
>The West feared lagging behind and getting nuked
Nukes don't exist dipshit.

>>513094722
If you knew any math you'd know how much you embarrassed yourself

>>513091928 (OP)
Not clicking your IP scraper link glowie

>>513094858
>poor attempt at no u
>still no argument
You lack the most basic knowledge of how to conduct a discourse. Otherwise you'd know that every thesis needs an argument, otherwise it's an empty claim, like the ones you've made in an attempt to shield your ego investment. Math is great, alright, but it's just a small piece of the puzzle in the architecture of wisdom.

>>513094602
>"Elements of Geometry" is not only Geometry
ok
>you were taught zero logic in school
false. i dont know what fuckin geometry class you took which didnt cover logical principles the entire course relies upon. how you gonna write a geometric proof with "zero" exposure to logic

>>513094858
This version a lot nicer.
https://archive.org/details/TheSecretTeachingsOfAllAgesManlyHall

He has a LOT of good audio lectures too, I have like 900 of them but people keep uploading new ones every day. Also can I ask you something? Have you figured it out yet?

>>513094986
It's ok mathlet, not everybody needs a 400k starting phd. But at least give the 2000 years after plato a try. Maybe you'll learn something beyond 1st year philosophy undergrad stuff

>>513094244
How is ancient grammar differenf rom modern one. Post some links on grammar you are talking about

>>513091928 (OP)
Based

>>513093444
Cause and effect. School exists to turn you into an unthinking slave. I don't care about school. Teach yourself.

>>513094542
i didn't say thinking you retard I said ability to to speak and write English and since you can't read I will place you in the non latin category.
Have you heard the Dutch ppl with this skill https://youtu.be/E6FdfJOj7CY?si=Bu91_i25rxZcMJbE

My bad I replied to the wrong troon.
>>513095100
>>513094244

>>513093886
Separating the "why" was a wrong choiche

>>513095111
>outright gives up on his charade and engages in empty insults and gibberish
Math phds don't get 400k either, as if money was ever an argument for the value of knowledge, hylic npc subhuman

>>513093532
Don't know what you're talking about. They have suppressed the tools of thought to turn us into unthinking NPCs. Acquiring the tools of thought (the trivium) is absolutely how you rise out of enslavement. It's called the seven liberal arts because it's "worthy of a free person".

>>513095194
>blaming smart citizens for shitty leeadership
And then the independent command chain became all the rage

>>513095491
Maths and logic doesn't make you free thinking. You're either born autistic or you're not. I was analyzing everything around me by the time I was in kindergarten, no school or nursery done that.

My point is, the people who fell for jewish tricks, both romans and greeks who fell for cheistojudaism and modern europeans who fell for marxism WERE educated in all these things, yet they still fell. If you don't understand the human nature then you'll fail by wasting time trying to teach npcs to be autistic, and appointing them to high positions.

>>513093532
School started to lose quality decade after decade because it had more students, with a more diverse background, so basically its only a place where you have to babysit young people unable to form a cohesive learning group.

>>513095671
It was by design. Let females in, let low IQ descendants of thousand generations of slaves in, replace curriculum with jew written one.

>>513094465
Why are you talking like this is some skill? It's the first thing taught in Geometry from Middle School.
We also did logical proofs for these geometric problems, but it was probably watered down compared to Euclid's Elements.

>>513095637
>unironic "autism is a superpower" posting

>>513093605
I posted a video and two online interactive learning tools in the OP. Did you have a look at those? It's not difficult if you use those. There are also other videos on youtube.

All the videos on Elements by the same channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@SandyBultena/playlists

https://www.c82.net/euclid/book1/#prop1

https://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.1

>>513095752
you did 3 decades ago like my country
noone teaches Euclid anymore honestly except "eastern eu", and asia which is a problem because it's how you learn algebra for continuous symbolic math like calculus

>>513093886
You learn nothing in the 13,000 hours you spend in school. School doesn't exist for you to learn.

>>513095870
Call it whatever you want. Few men have brains with creative matter, most men and all women have brains with receiver matter. It's a fact and no education can change that. Also go back to r*ddit

>>513095910
Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm a youngfag, so I was taught this only ~decade ago.
I know entropy is a thing, but I would think they're still teaching that at my old school. Though it was a super white school, something something maybe that's why we were taught Geometry that way.

>>513095637
>logic doesn't make you free thinking
yeah maybe not. but the class at Uni i found most valuable was one on Logic. it did upgrade my rationality. it armed me with critical thinking skills i was previously unaware of. i remember thinking along the lines of "man what a dolt i was before this class". there is reason not every American is exposed to these ideas, rather they become available along certain career paths (i.e., Engineering) since those careers require it for reasonable competency

>>513096129
no schools i know of feach it
did you learn real geometry or fake amd gay cartesian/analytical geometry there's a difference

>>513096396
*teach
*fake n gay
sorry one hand shitposting in an uber and going to a (probably) shitty afthrs but I'm always interested in modern edu

Actually that book was plagiarized from an Indian mathmetaician at the time. As per usual Europeans learn everything from Asia then claim as their own.

>>513091928 (OP)
> first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that?

Yeah, without looking you draw a line and go out 60 degrees till the lines intersect. The perfect triangle. Even us burgers know that.

>>513096396
>with a grid
Nah, it was Pure Geometry. I think I remember it being fairly short, maybe a trimester long at most, as it was a subsection of the math class. And it's your standard public school, near one of the main cities in Oregon.
At any rate I don't remember too much, but knowing the basics is nice.

>>513096731
jeets invented lots of math but not nearly as much as greeks/brits/euros and not nearly as much as Persians in the islamic caliphate. Jeets also fell off math ability probably die to systemic corruption in your country Sukhjeet while all other countries fixed the worat corruption

Same reason chinks are blown out compared to their past when they were also great

>>513095117
https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt
table of contents in my next post

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512205412/#512207103

Study Latin:
https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

The grammar they studied/study in the Trivium is Latin and Greek grammar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_school

Studying Latin grammar expands your mind and together with logic and rhetoric gives you the tools of thought. Grammar in the past was taught as interconnected with logic and rhetoric, these were taught as a unified system. Furthermore grammar used to be more philosophical than now. We aren't taught any grammar at all. Read the book in the first link, study Latin with the third link, and study Euclid's Elements which teaches you logic.

>>513095480
>not knowing math phds earn 400k starting
It's a meme you dip.
If there was any original thought in your post I'd have replied with something more thoughtful

>>513091928 (OP)
So swedes arent taught trigonometry? Wtf

>>513096845
Don't know what you mean but no. Watch the video. The drawing of a triangle isn't what it's about though. It's about learning logic. Before this chapter with the triangle the book says that if A=B and A=C, then B=C. This is used in this chapter to prove through a deductive argument (called a proof) that the three sides are the same length. The exact same thing is going on in all deductive reasoning, not just in mathematics, and that's the main thing this book teaches you, logic, how to reason, which is transferable to other areas of life.

>>513091928 (OP)
unrelated but you there there is a full series of classical works that are bilingual (one page in English and another page with the original Latin or Greek text) called Loeb Classical Library
https://z-library.sk/s/Loeb%20Classical%20Library%20

>>513097375
You are not taught mathematical proofs in your trigonometry, axioms, theorems. You are given a hollowed out version of math.

>>513094505
link?

>>513097391
the point I'm mentioning this is because original text like letters are basically first hand information and can reveal much more than a kosher Wikipedia page

>>513094578
well that was an unintended spoiler

>>513094663
>>513095752
Take it or leave it. Most people on here don't want to learn anything and just jerk off all day.

>>513091928 (OP)
>They removed it from schools because it teaches you how to think, and they figured out that a population of thinkers doesn't make for an efficient society
I read Descartes Discours de la méthode the other day and it was funny to think that back then he was a revolutionary philosopher (I'm not so sure about that since i didn't read the reception of his works yet) but if he existed today he'd be an evil Holocaust and vaxx denier

>>513091928 (OP)
You can thank Jewish Christianity for why Euclids elements are no longer taught within your schools.
It's also quite frustrating that tertiary education decided to remove mathematics from science degrees in Australia to make it more accommodative for certain groups.

Many different cultures have rights of passage to become a man.
I am just going to say it, I believe in order to become a man, we should have an understanding of mathematics or there is no point having any say on the future direction of society.

If a man cannot understand or be able to understand multivariable calculus he really has no business being involved in the affairs of the state, leading, or having any quality of live that isn't directed or governed by other men who do.

Mathematics changes the way your brain works, its not just about what you learn and the problems you solve its the abstract way in which you brain begins to think that enables you to see within to the realm of symbols. Math is the DNA of universe, the DNA of God and there is a reason why Pythagorian religion was destroyed by the Jews and lies spread about them.

At the very minimum we should set a standard.

Our children should have a strong foundation of calculus, understanding the application of partial derivatives is a must.

I think we should compile a list for our educators to help.
In the coming years mechanical engineering is going to be the goal.

> Finite fields
> Group theory
> Vector spaces & modules
> Algebraic Geometry
> Projective coordinates

Some of the concepts I think we should give to our children to ensure the very best for them in this coming age.
If they do not want to learn it then they are simply not going to be considered men.

I only believe equilateral triangles that have been published in peer-reviewed journals, not drawn by some white supremacist incel on his mother's basement.

>>513096348
>yeah maybe not. but the class at Uni i found most valuable was one on Logic. it did upgrade my rationality
the best part about the formal logic is how you can make the most unthinkably complex logical statements and still resolve it relatively easily like a simple math equation

>>513095637
You haven't studied any logic and yet you have opinions about it. We have the Prussian education system which is specifically designed to teach grammar, logic and rhetoric, ie the trivium, ie the tools of thought, to the top 0.5% of the population only, and suppressing it for the bottom 99.5%.

>>513097846
>but if he existed today he'd be an evil Holocaust and vaxx denier
This is because smart people and spergs, if they become succesful, immediately start supporting the system.

Nobody opposes the system, nobody wants men to raise above. The only way to rise is to "do everything yourself with noone to help you like a true alpha', but how efficient is that on a societal scale? It's the elite keeping us men divided and isolated, yet people support this shit. We hate chad for being a whoremonger, but give the chance we would do the same, become a manwhore and have multiple sexual partners knowing full well we are destroying the pair bonding capacity of potentional future mothers.

So how do you expect in an environment of unsupportive men real men to arise? Weed grows everywhere, but roses need specific circumstances to blossom, and men need a lot of investment to be truly men. Women barely need anything except to BE MADE TO submit.

We are all too prideful wanting to be winners even though that means there will be losers, so how can anyone rise above in such an environment. We are honestly complaining because it affects us negatively. Otherwise we wouldn't even be on 4chan, living normie lives.

We need to remoralize. Men need to support each other, love each other in a non-homosexual way (homos should be put to death).

And most smart people are empathetic and sensitive to a degree, so remember that the same boiling water hardens an egg but softens a potato. Low IQ brutish men can get away with anything, tell them to work 3 jobs to support themselves and they won't revolt. But we high iq men need to group together.

No profit motive, no social status, nothing animalistic except desire for peace and goodness to triumph.

Many people will not get this though, their hearts are too hardened and they have the self-awareness of a rock to do introspection.

>>513098187
Why do all our discussions have to devolve into talking about women and sex?
Like I mean sex is great and all, but we have an entire catalogue dedicated to INCELs and bitching about women.

Respectfully, Euclids elements are a work that uplifts the spirit and helps a man transcend to and awaken his crown Chakras, his eye into the domain of God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrSO8VzAmw

>>513097890
>You can thank Jewish Christianity for why Euclids elements are no longer taught within your schools.
Good to know no one was Christian before the 1950s.

>>513091928 (OP)
>This book was taught to children for over two millennia
Most people couldn't read for two millennia

>>513091928 (OP)
My uncle tried to explain common core math to me since my cousin was currently learning it. It doesn't make any fucking sense.

>>513097766
You're the one who said
>Come math me bro

>>513099466
Common core isn't hard, it's just hard to explain. I puzzled it out on my own, back when it was a meme, and abandoned it because it wasn't any better than the math I already knew.

>>513092623
That was Hobbes

>>513099784
You know how to do it but you don't want to tell how you do it? Very interesting discussion.

>>513091928 (OP)
indeed the the rabbit hole goes deep

turns out they were censoring pieces of the tradition before the 1950's as well, and was condensed from 16 bookes in the first english translation down to the 13 today

https://archive.org/details/elementsgeometr00eucl/mode/2up

ITT euclid is vouchsafed

>>513099978
>Very interesting discussion
That is an opinion you are having.

>>513093886
It’s the dumbest, most trivial waste of time you could imagine to spend 16 years to leave children without any skill worth mentioning.

>>513093021
>No, but because it's a very old and dated approach to math.
Says who? Nobody ever says a book shouldn't be taught because it's old. It was taught for over two millennia. Which means that just before it was abolished it was over two millennia old, and for a millennium it had been over a millennium old. But all of a sudden it was "too old", yeah right.
>axiomatic
What are you talking about? They replaced Euclid's Elements, which is axiomatic, and which teaches you logic, with hollowed out bullshit which doesn't teach you any logic, in response to Sputnik.

>>513091928 (OP)

Why don’t they teach what this German discovered exactly 100 years ago?

Why did Jw Feynman say that you don’t need to know what Quantum Mechanics mean, you only need to know how to apply it?

Perhaps because QM brings back free will against deterministic physics?

The government hate that simple trick, thinking. Kek

>>513095904
>two online interactive learning tools
Actually three but one of them uses java applets. If your computer can't handle that then you just see still images instead of interactive graphs. You can use it if you get an extension called CheerpJ Applet Runner in the chrome web store.

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/bookI/propI1.html

>>513101411
Based. He also said he believed in the Bible but that the Bible is not meant to be read literally.

>>513101411
>jordan maxwell
That is a name I haven't heard in a long time. His website is a blast to the past as well.

https://www.jordanmaxwell.com/

>>513092840
Because you touch yourself on an euclidian angle

>>513093021
Water wet, knowkledge to old must not learn

>>513105957
Are you really just bumping to see if someone learn something?

Lol I will teach them something then

>>513091928 (OP)
I will remember this; what they took from me.

>>513106124
They sure did, euclidian geometry or geometry in general is easy to learn and is top tier science, nothing comes close, chemistry is a mess, biology nerfed itself using to many names for the same things, physics with math is like a retard trying to make the taj mahal with legos

>>513091928 (OP)
Didn't he use the variable tau not pi?

>>513091928 (OP)
I also encountered this theory before.
I must still read the book.

>>513091928 (OP)
We did the first proposition to build equilateral triangles in middle school in Switzerland, by the way.

>>513091928 (OP)
There are better, more intuitive ways to teach geometry than those counter-intuitive, abstract demonstrations.

>>513109503
You mean physically drawing the dimensions of the hyphotenuse in relation to the resulting squares is more comprehensive on this drawing than the euclidian drawing?

Is nitpicking but am ok with it, whatever make kids learn faster

>>513091928 (OP)
Finally, a decent thread.

>>513091928 (OP)
>The West feared lagging behind and getting nuked, and thought making the population unable to think is how you make Western society more competitive against the Soviet Union.
That is absolutely not what happened kek.

>>513091928 (OP)
Wow, so fucking hard. I didn't even know how to do this but put 5 seconds of thought into how to do it.

>>513091928 (OP)
Very good OP, nicely done Swede-kun.

>>513094465
>make line N
>make like ENE
>connect lines

>>513111267
Ah that won’t work because the other two angles have to be 60 too. So from other side of north line go ese. It would probably help if I had a compass and paper in front of me but I think that’s right.

>>513110459
>>513111267
>>513111384
Who’s right op?

>>513111524
See this.

>>513111524
I am. You don't have to give a shit about angles. If the sides are equal, the angles will be too. You know all sides are equal because the compass stayed the same length when it drew the circles. It really isn't hard to comprehend.

>>513111643
Wtf even is this?

>>513091928 (OP)
>deductive logic
Aryans like myself were born with this. You can't coach this. I was teaching algebra in the 7th grade. It just made sense to me. Geometry and math are the white man's thing.
>t.135IQ
99% of you are subhuman to me.

>>513111744
It's what you did but actually measures the points on the two circles that give you equal sides. Or you could start with a line segment. Three circles is just easier.

>>513111675
I understand that. But how do you know when the compass edge is at the center of the last circle you made?

>>513111811
For all you midwits. Swing a circle. Swing another circle. Then swing a 3rd circle at the point where the two other circles cross. Voila. Fucking retards. Literally swinging 3 circles and youre done.

>>513111899
>Three circles is just easier
Maybe, but it also hides that this could also be true.

>>513091928 (OP)
>To give you a taste of what it contains, the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that?
It is self-evident how to do that with no book needed

>>513112078
But it shows this can be true.

>>513111976
You don't.
1. Draw circle
2. Pick point on circle
3. Switch pointy side and pencil side of those points
4. Draw another circle
5. ?????
6. Profit

>>513097628
Yeah. Copy...paste. There's your fucking link. You lack the intellectual curiosity to search "Boole" or "khanacademy?" You may as will give up now.

>>513112012
I can do it in 2, midwit.

>>513112078
>>513112167
This all assumes your circles intersect. If you just draw the proper angles, which you can because you have a compass and straight edge, you’re guaranteed to make a triangle with three 60 angles

>>513112167
I guess but are you gonna sit there and make fractals from it or something? This is about the easiest way to make an equilateral triangle and mine is.

>>513112238
>I can do it in 2, midwit.
I can do it without even doing it, retard. I was showing you the retard way on paper. The fact is the length of the side is equal to the radius of the circle. If you can't work this out in your head without a compass and straight edge etc, youre a subhuman turd.

>>513112295
There's literally no way my circles wouldn't intersect.

>>513112386
Don't know why you're acting so smart when my way is much more efficient than yours.

>>513112386
If you don’t have a ruler how do you know the center or radius? You’re all wrong and I’m right. You use the angles and the straight edge.

>>513112408
Intersect at the center I meant.

>>513091928 (OP)
>To give you a taste of what it contains, the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that?

Make a circle with the compass, then make the circle and the triangle concentric.

>>513112524
You set it up to intersect exactly where you started your last circle, retard. See >>513112191. Don't see how this is so complicated for you guys.

>>513092234
a lot of mathematical proofs haven't been proven geometrically. do you trust them?

>>513112342
According to masonic legend, the Creator made the world with the opening of his compass unchanged.

>>513112952
Hearty kek. Ok, you win

>>513097890
meh maths are just numbers reality is just gravity, equalization of differentials and conservation of information. you seem to have the idea that all brains are good at everything or that a brain can veen be good at everything when they re really limited and there jack of all tades and specialists, it might even be bad for your brain take uncessary space dpeendign or what you ll do or even simply be forgotten. your hype is suspicious of you exaggerating it. everyone thinks their way is the best way dude, when in reality many roads lead to rome

When you’re done the Folger’s editions of Shakespeare works are calling softly

>>513091928 (OP)
that´s a very good book but hard to understand if skip it´s lessons.
>To give you a taste of what it contains, the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that? Then it tells you how you can know that the three sides are exactly the same length.
funny that i recently discovered that with one rope tangled with nots you can actually create a square-triangle that has absolute 90º angle on one of the vertices. this is also taught at masonry.
i used to be VERY SMART at math i could do shit with mental calculus, but as soon i started to show my expertise with my mind and calculus, that people came in my school changed the water fountain in my school i had to drink those strange red pinkish fluor for tooth and after that i started having dificulties with math.
only now at 40 years of age, after 2 medical university degrees i finally understood what they did to me.

if trump manage to depoison burgerinos maybe the next 20 years the USA will have a change, but currently their science departmente is lagging behind due to mental poisoning from the jews in the elite positions, that will flee from usa like rats when USA crumbles. this is so serious that elon musk is hiring pajeets because they are not poisoned from bith, aside from poo. not heavy metals that will render humans thinking capabilities nerfed.

>>513101411
i agree with this, i had the sentiment that most ufunctions actually do the opposite of what they do. psychiatric institutions make you mentally ill, doctors kill you, physiotherapists ruin your knees or dont heal it, the police protects gangsters, justice punishes victims, government ruin society, delivery men steal your mail etc

the problem is sociopathy also know as monkeyhood and taking in migrants from this entire world for milleniums into europe didnt help a single bit or atleast did more damage than good but it was probably inevitable anyway so we must play our cards

The only math concept needed to understand the elite, masonic, kabbalistic world is The Golden Ratio

>>513091928 (OP)
rare based OP

>>513113341
Remember how nothing was on the 33rd floor and you were wrong forever

>>513113604
Anon found the limits of the simulation the simulator penis size

>>513091928 (OP)
stop making excuses for the jewish subversion of our society. they didnt think unthinkers would be more efficent, they just fucking hate you and your people.

>>513113835
Anon explained this was done by the prussian army who thought their soldiers were reading rousseau to much

Not teaching rousseau on prussian schools banned euclides instead for angle reasons

>>513100009
>https://archive.org/details/elementsgeometr00eucl/mode/2up
the one i saw years ago, is 2000 pages i think this one is reduced(maybe jews are reducing it, like they reduced the internet now).

>This is not true at all, I graduated a while ago and the teachers were unanimously agreeing maths was getting more difficult, not less
actually it is the people getting dumber to heavy metals and poisoning than the math, the math itself will not change,because above math there is only philosophy.

>(Imo it was more memorization, making it easier for females and harder for males).
every good mathematician, knows that math is not a science of memorization but a science of though/reasoning, though is more important than memorization in math, reasoning is more important.
i am not even good at math but i know this, i also talked to experts in math, they can do any shit you want diferent ways same result or different results in a single way.

>>513112481
If I can magically find the center I will make 24 slices and and every 4 slices makes equal angles

>>513097890
>Mathematics changes the way your brain works
i think you are correct. math teaches people how to reason correctly, and correct reasoning can identify jewish tricks on the spot!
this is why jews sabotaged math teachings.

I have this color-coded version of the book on my coffee table and I like flipping through it sometimes.
idk about your schizo rant because it's not banned or anything but the concepts described inside are indeed quite foundational.
however as a textbook/learning style book it is kind of lacking. definitely teach kiddos about these concepts because it helps just regular everyday common sense figuring about dimensions and relations of shapes, but I don't think you necessarily need to give them this book verbatim. it's more of a reference, like a dictionary for math.

>>513112658
>retarded
No u! But what you said could work if you use the flat edge to make sure it stays on the same plane. I bought the book though. I’ll teach it to my boys when they’re bigger.

>>513114110
I got filtered by math in college. I used to love math. It was my favorite and best subject. Then I had to learn calculus from a russian faggot who barely spoke english and I was cooked. You'd ask him a question in class, he'd misunderstand what you were saying, act like you're stupid for asking it the way he misunderstood, then answered a completely different question no one asked. College is just a credential factory. People don't go there to actually be taught anything. They could get just as much knowledge doing it by themself, because they pretty much will be.

>>513091928 (OP)
>when Prussia lost a battle against Napoleon in 1806. Prussia determined it was because their soldiers were thinking too much as a result of having been taught logic.
that is the most retarded thing I ever heard
Prussia was one of the most educated countries in the world
you lying nigger

>>513110126
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_crisis

>>513114675
Bro, by definition, those circles intersect at the points equidistant from the centers of both circles QED all the points are equidistant from each other. There's literally no way there wouldn't be an intersection because the length of the compass will always be 0<. The length of the compass never changes.

>>513098555
>Respectfully, Euclids elements are a work that uplifts the spirit and helps a man transcend to and awaken his crown Chakras, his eye into the domain of God.
i agree with you.

>>513098187
>We hate chad for being a whoremonger, but give the chance we would do the same, become a manwhore and have multiple sexual partners knowing full well we are destroying the pair bonding capacity of potentional future mothers.
i have to disagree with you. that the fake instruction you have.
let me make things clear to you. a dog will only get pregnant once at 6 months, during this time of it being able to be fecundated and bare new dogs, she will release pheromones and will mate with male dogs to breed. ok? only by this small time, she will enter intercourse with other dogs, so when the time of "natural arousal" or fecundity is over for the female dog, she will not have sex with other dogs and will even reject the males dogs aggressively ok? this is how it works and it happens this is a fact.
now look at human female
human female get fertile and ready for impregnation, due to physiological asset, ONCE A MONTH! and ovulate ONCE A MONTH! the time for most fertile and sexual openly to male humans is about 3 days prior and 3 days after ovulation, basically 1 week, other people say 3 days. so human female physiology is made in a way that her OVARIAN CYCLE will follow the moon cycle exclusively if she is healthy female, of 28 days, in wich those are the same time of cycle of ovarian cycle, so basicaly woman should have only sex when fertile in about once a month or during her 3 days of fertility. so that she get pregnant. and her vigor and youth is preserved, but here we are now, living in modern babylon, thinking that having sex every day is normal.even males that cum a lot of masturbate a lot will lose their vital energy this is well explained in ancient cultures, this is also the same reason that true celibate priests lived so long in the past.

>>513114427
>math teaches people how to reason correctly
yeah, some. it's nor logic itself

>>513111811
>You can't teach logic.
Yes you can.

>>513114691
>from a russian faggot who barely spoke english
I had a Calc 3 professor from Georgia (USSR) who gave us the wrong book, never posted lectures online, stood in front of the whiteboard while he wrote, and deleted his notes before anyone could ask a question. Still passed, but now I just teach myself anything I want to learn.

>>513091928 (OP)
Nigger, don't talk shit you know nothing about.
>> how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge,
That's architrcture 101, they teach you that shit before you even use autocad.

Euclidean geometry is just regular geometry your monkey brain can easily understand, in 1950 hypergeometric spaces became mainstream, that'd why we replaced Euclidean with Riemmann, where Euclidean plane is just a subset of other curvatures, like the path travelled by a plane while orbiting, but i can already smell your brain frying from here so I'll stop now.

>>513114691
>College is just a credential factory. People don't go there to actually be taught anything.
maybe now, but in the past it was not.
in the past it was REALLY good.
look for books before 1920s.
>They could get just as much knowledge doing it by themself, because they pretty much will be.
that how it will be with Ai now. some stuff is really hard without help or you need to have your brain in full capacity(not being poisoned at birth) to understand it easily. this is why people think math is hard, but it´s not hard, it´s that our brains are poisoned.
it´s like running a sports car with sand in place of motor oil.

>>513113604
im getting too old, the golden ratio is how you illicit fake change/growth/simulation to humans. Not dick wave symbols and numerology for normies to like, share and comment

>>513091928 (OP)
they were not wrong in that thinking is a huge issue in war. most effective killers, the ones that survive wars, go on oure instinct. There is a huge advantage to it in chaotic enviornments were there are a lot of variables you have no control over.

there are ways to promote logic and inner reflection in youth. for example teaching children to pray from young age.

>>513115385
>yeah, some. it's nor logic itself
dude that´s the first thing it teaches.
but i can´t fight with you, because i believe math lessons in USA now may be worse than in brazil. i am not joking.
the first class of math is actually logic, the most basic of it, "sets of belong and does not belong" basic logic level that even an animal knows about it belong or not belong to your tribe or your pack of animals.
but since you can not learn shit and flip burgers and be able to aford a home a car and food, the sabotage of teaching in USA may be more severe. Since i think that USA due to it´s strong monetary asset is the only country in the world where such a thing is possible.

>>513112108
Then give a deductive argument for how you can know that the sides are exactly the same length. That's the point of the exercise, not to draw pretty shapes. Or simply skip to the second proposition and see if that's self-evident. The whole point of the book is that it deduces complex concepts from simple concepts, PROVING the truth of the complex concepts. People today don't know anything about logic. The process employed in this book is transferable to other areas of life.

https://youtu.be/T2_5yN5P0ic

https://www.youtube.com/@SandyBultena/playlists

https://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

>>513115709
I couldn't do it. My brain wasn't wired for it. I'm very easily distracted so have a hard time teaching myself. Oh well, such is life.

>>513113164
those books are too new.
like those books are not read, just living in the shelf.
you didn´t read all, but some i can see from the wear.
but i have to agree.
The demonology of King James I is a nice book.

>>513115774
Some people's brains really are wired differently and can't understand it. But I agree, colleges were probably much better before every class was taught by a barely literate foreigner.

>>513091928 (OP)
>the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge
This vocaloid song teaches you how to do that and more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHR8qwuqmY
Most people dont really care about math so things like this are left behind.

>>513116146
>Then give a deductive argument for how you can know that the sides are exactly the same length.
This is not possible, there will always be error within some range.

>>513112814
Not mathematically

>>513116551
This

Quality thread. Thanks for making these, anon.

>>513091928 (OP)
It's just drafting... why do kids need to learn how to draft circles and triangles?

Nice thread. Came here to masturbate and now I'm interested in learning

>>513116856
Check what's happening in ecuador

>>513094471
>meme flag kvetching and trying to shut it down

Telling. Very telling.

>>513114881
Yeah I said they determined that Prussia lost because Prussian soldiers were thinking too much due to having been taught logic. The Prussian education system was the consequence, which is specifically designed to teach the trivium to the top 0.5% of the population, while suppressing it for the bottom 99.5%. This education system was then exported to the rest of the Western world.

>>513117141
Yeah but don't let out the juicy parts the Kaiser gave them jew teachers

Also ecuador is having the spyware debate

>>513116446
>Some people's brains really are wired differently and can't understand it.
you are half-correct into this.
people have 2 brain hemispheres.
as majority of lectured people know, one hemisphere is more into logical reasoning and other is more abstract reasoning.
some people, have logical reasoning dominant brains(right handed) and others have abstract reasoning dominant brains.
this will not render their abilities with each hemisphere useless, is just that they are more prone to easily learn due to their brains capabilities.
so a person dominant brain in abstract reasoning can learn logical reasoning but it will have more difficulty initially. but i can also be done.

i have to say that jews are not into those 2 classical, because they skull shape is very diferent, and those 2 hemispheric propositions is to the natural white man with straight foreheads, jewish brains, works a lot with neurological areas of speech and association, all conjugated with the fact they don´t have pré-frontal cortex only enable that they don´t have any decency or remorse in lying. and since their brains are not "square" they don´t follow any logical reasoning, besides speech and association the rest is just nepotism.

but i assure you, most problems with people now is due to poisoning of the brains+ improper diets for long time.

>>513091928 (OP)
> To give you a taste of what it contains, the first thing you learn is how to draw a perfect like-sided triangle with a given length of the side, using only a compass and a straight edge, ie a ruler with no markings. Do you know how to do that? Then it tells you how you can know that the three sides are exactly the same length.
You don't really need to know how. Your eyes can see if it's equal. Even a ruler with no markings is still a measure of sorts if you look at a certain spot on it.

>>513117303
Sure but is fun with euclides because you can freely scale it using his tangential circles method

>>513094244
What is the difference between arithmetic and geometry?
You should at least learn to read music and to be able to hear and understand when you listen to songs but I do not think it is necessary to write music or play an instrument.
Why do you think learning astronomy is important? Learning another art like drawing, architecture or sculpting would be better. Or learning programming or IT stuff.

>>513117034
what, exactly? i only saw equador following trump with maduro thing. not a big deal. us might blockade venezuela but still not a big deal

>>513095194
>the image
so thats why someone i had a talk on faggotry of modern school system was saying its Prussian school system
makes also sense on the stereotype that prussia is epitone of discipline

>>513093021
>No, but because it's a very old and dated approach to math
faggot compared to present old books are of size of the encyclopedia with content that now its revered as some sort of breaktrough discovery

>>513117797
Their president implemented palantir like software as I predicted violated every law on the country

>>513092722
this.
After playing the game I feel like we must have a open web based game similar to Euclidea game where we can discuss and draw (construct) solutions (and questions) together, could be a new fun way to connect with frens.
make art and mandalas and stuff too


What say OP? >>513093089

>>513115117
>>513115117
Not true. You’ll have to pick the one line and or else you won’t have equal lengths

>>513118312
It's that size because shorter, better notation wasn't available to euclid

>>513117797
>not a big deal
Trump effectively re-implementing Reagan's "policies" (again, under false aegis) coupled with some ludicrous "hemispheric defense" horseshit IS a pretty big deal, Brasil bro.

>>513091928 (OP)
Have a bump.

Today all of (you) have this and literally every other book at your fingertups for free. Now you also have a custom tutor that answer evey question whenever you want (sometimes it hallucinates but who doesn't lie to you? Gotta learn not to be too trusting).

>>513093762
>>513098142
>>513113977
>>513117141
>>513117290
stop lying about Prussia, you fucking kike

>>513122557
We are?

I mean really, I read this properly, studied it properly, all this is on the historical essays, maybe we are wrong

But you will have to prove it

>>513112078
>this could also be true
What you're missing is the fact that the length of AB (and all the other lines here) is the radius. Now recall what you said about "if the sides are equal" and you should recognize your additional point C is also equidistant from A and B, forming another equilateral triangle. This bit about the radius is why circle is used in this exercise

>>513122801
>hurr hurr, Prussia was uneducated
why dont you just neck yourself, you fucking lying kike

>>513092234
Came here to post this. Sure, it might not have stuck when taught as a short unit in 1 math class, but it's not like it was tucked away where you couldnt find it. I excelled so well at this particular logic compared to my peers that it helped define my personality as an adult.

>>513094465
draw two circles that intersect at the centre, marking the centres. Draw three lines from the centres to either point where the circumferences intersect.

You now have an provable equallateral triangle as all sides are equal to r


As per the OP I actually studied euclidian geometry and I can attest that it is foundational to developing logical thinking that you can prove to yourself and others. Naturally it was tossed out in favour of agents of the state telling kids how great it would be if they swapped genders without telling their parents.

Leftists mutilate children and it is a sin not to oppose this onto-logically evil ideology.

>>513118395

Well at least they aren't hiding it anymore

>>513122955
I don't think it was but consider they were coming out of protestantism they wanted to read the bible for real not just in latin also in arameic that requires jew teachers

>>513122955
For the 10th time, they were TOO educated, OVEREDUCATED. Are you trolling?

>>513109503
Was this written by Schopenauer? wtf?

It warms my heart to see a thread like this last so long on /pol/.

>>513091928 (OP)
When I went on a classics buying spree it was one of the hardest books to find, if not the hardest, given how frequently mentioned it is in lots of other books. I still haven't read it but I will eventually.
(((They))) don't want me to know about triangles

>>513126189
I got halfway through chapter 1, by constructing and going through each example. This is a very high-level book.

>>513125945
Takes an unusual kind of talented person

>>513125851
t.

>>513097890
Genius mathematicians like Terrence Tao are libtards. Maths will not save you (only violence will).

>>513097890
>> Algebraic Geometry
I think you meant Geometric Algebra, which is a totally different thing.

i thought the prussian education method was seen as this great thing after Napoleon and other countries implemented it, and it's why modern western education sucks and is just general superficial nonsense purposefully made impractical

>>513092208
Why? It’s mostly a geometry book with some abstract reasoning.

>>513117141
How do you compare Latin with Japanese? I think in mastering Latin grammar you have to know the context more than the technique. That's why people say learning latin makes you more logical as creating speech with context is a logical task. But English on the other hand is straight to the point. That's why it fall short in the logic department. Japanese is also like latin, In order to master Japanese you must know the context. So I guess one can replace Latin with Japanese as yk Japanese is more useful language for modern day. people have to be practical as well.

>>513091928 (OP)
it was already over when they adopted the prussian school system long before WWII
I homeschool my kids and they are constantly eager to learn and enjoy thinking
they are proud of their knowledge and are curious about everything
public school crushes and destroys the spirit of free inquiry in favor of dogmatic authority
I am reading my kids All Quiet on the Western Front and very early on the author discusses how it was their schoolteacher that caused their entire class to enlist in WWI
THAT is what school is for

>>513126189
you can save yourself a lot of trouble and get the Great Books of the Western World as a set
get the second printing from the 90s which added some volumes
it has Euclid

>>513128619
Your post is incoherent.
It's seen as great by nations that needed compliant worker-subjects who could easily be trained as infantry for mass mobilization.
It's a travesty of education because it doesn't teach people how to think. It just makes them easier to propagandize. Read John Taylor Gatto.

>>513130657
What books did you use for science, math and logic? I also want to choose appropriate books for my kid.

>>513130943
I didn't like how the set worked, cramming multiple books into each volume. I have a mishmash of books from different publishers on my nearest bookshelf and it works. I also downloaded a zip of all the great books at some point.

Sadly I'm wasting my time on webnovels and Japanese light novels instead of finishing the greeks.

>>513130657
>it was their schoolteacher that caused their entire class to enlist in WWI
He didn't do them a favor lmao.

>>513130657
>>513131239
ignore this post, I misinterpreted

>>513130988
there is a neat little volume called The Well-Trained Mind: a guide to classical education at home
it gives you a lot of help understanding what is appropriate for different ages; I found many material suggestions in there like D'Aulaire's Greek Mythology and kids versions of the Iliad and Odyssey
for math, we used a modern set with worksheets so they can get lots of practice. there are also some excellent free volumes for higher math on the internet archive but I find that for young kids its better to have something physical
for logic, we read selections from the Great Books series I mentioned and then discuss them
for science though you need some modern textbooks and they all have problems; we got an electricity experiment kit and when I get the funds together we are going to collect some materials for a lengthy microscopy experience

>>513091928 (OP)
Im a Euclid reader

>>513130950
i guess what was considered the 'prussian system' before Napoleon's battles against the prussians is different than now
what is considered the prussian system now is as you describe - makes a bunch of unthinking robots good at following rules and orders
but obviously that was not the case BEFORE the battles with napoleon, as the prussians blamed their education system on their failure in battle

>>513131732
it's got its own wiki page that describes it well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system
the key point is that most people did not get an education before these type of reforms were adopted
instead, people whose family could afford it got them a tutor, or sent them to the jesuits
whereas jesuits trained people to be good catholics, classical education by tutor was heterogenous and led to a wider variety of ideas in society; modern research bears out the idea that a tutor is dramatically more effective than classroom education
note this part of the wiki page
>tried to impose a strict ethos of duty, sobriety and discipline.
i.e. to be a good, obedient little worker or soldier for the state

>>513091928 (OP)
>https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/Books/Euclid/Elements.pdf
Thanks, anon. Reading it now.

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>>513115117
I looked it up. You have dry the straight line first. Then the draw the two circles from the start and end of the straight line. Then the intersection to the line makes the perfect triangle.

>>513091928 (OP)
Good stuff. I did an entire course on this in college and it was one of the hardest courses I've ever taken by far. Can't prove them axioms though lol.

>>513135762
I bought the book and will study it. I will teach it to my boys when they’re a little older. They’re 3 and 1 now.

>>513091928 (OP)
>They had drawn this lesson when Prussia lost a battle against Napoleon in 1806. Prussia determined it was because their soldiers were thinking too much as a result of having been taught logic.
The most retarded and wrong shit in the entire world is posted on this board.

>>513130657
what the fuck are you lies spamming this thread about the prussian school system
do you ever stop lying?
fuckign nigger

>>513093486
No shit

>>513125142
youre a lying nigger
you fucking kike
go fuck yourself and your nigger thread

>>513124744
what the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>513091928 (OP)
Downloaded, ty for the link.
>>513100009
spooky

>>513136830
and another kike bot

>>513136656
That prussian education was austrojewish at some point, this caused problems but created the 19th-20th century of german academia

>>513137093
what retarded horseshit
where do you even get that from?

>>513091928 (OP)
First book I downloaded to my external hard drive.

You are creating your own library of Alexandria before global ID silos you into state approved texts right?

>>513136858
>learning math is jewish
huh?

>>513137395
you dont know math, you stupid fuck?

>>513137532
"learning more about math" does that make you happy you dumb turk?

>>513137772
the thread started with some retarded lie about the prussian school system
fo all I know the entire thread is horseshit

>>513137299
Bismark explaining why he deported jews from Bavaria

>>513137981
what the fuck are you even talking about?
are you a bot or something?
the entire thread is nonsense like this

>>513138091
Well is only nonsense if Bismark was never chancellor wilheim never kaiser and jews never polish

>>513138219
no its nonsense
full stop

>>513137935
>wahhh OP insulted my country so math is fake and gay
LMAO

>>513099971
>That was Hobbes
intredasting, but I never read a bio of Hobbes that I can recall

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jan-30-oe-crease30-story.html

>>513138934
my country wasnt "insulted"
these are blatant lies

>>513094465
You just draw three 60* degree angles you dummy. A triangle has 180* degrees, so if they're the same angle they're necessarily the same length.

>>513091928 (OP)
Incredible thread OP, saved a LOT of links, thanks dude

>>513138300
Fine

Let germans be barbaric rapists that didn't knew better on ww1

>>513139313
Maybe the Prussian system was amazing when it was first instituted, but like every single White invention, it's been transmogrified, kiked and cucked into a twisted abomination. The education system is never ever going to get better, homeschool your progeny.

i understand the nefarious nature of education and the thought of not including Euclids text but please consider my retort.

In the 1950s cold war, the world was pivoting more towards computation and shock from Sputnik motivated USA to reform. Pivoting from Euclidean proofs to analysis is what allowed the USA to excel in microprocessors and chips. In essence, Issac newton was just the smartest human to ever live, and the ramifications of calculus are felt here

>>513144704
>the 1950s cold war, the world was pivoting more towards computation and shock from Sputnik motivated USA to reform. Pivoting from Euclidean proofs to analysis is what allowed the USA to excel in microprocessors and chips.

Pretty sure William Shockley, et al, were still educated in the "old way" when they invented the semiconductor and transistor at Bell Labs.

>>513145138
doesnt change those men pivoted from euclidean proofs. Look its an entire philosphy of educating transformations, vectors, and coordinates or rulers and compasses. And calc is more important for national security then fleshing out geometry (my best guess) like i said retorting jsut as devils advocate

>>513145401
>doesnt change those men pivoted from euclidean proofs.

They didn't, but the generations after them definitely pivoted. And no wonder why things degenerated and went to shit.

>>513091928 (OP)
Archive of thread
https://archive.is/Ua1Cg

>>513145599
going to shit is extremely debatable, the likely answer is students should be segregated by gender and race, and no matter which direction math is educated it will be better

>>513144383
what the fuck is you peoples obsession with fucking Prussia
are you all nuts?

>>513145909
>the likely answer is students should be segregated by gender and race, and no matter which direction math is educated it will be better

True, I can't disagree on this point.

>>513091928 (OP)
Yea bro I use a ruler and a pencil, fuckin dork

>>513146003
>what the fuck is you peoples obsession with fucking Prussia

Because our education system is dogshit and uses the Prussian model.

>>513119333
How? If the radius of the two circles is equal, then their intersection point is equidistant between both points QED you have an equilateral triangle.
>>513134940
The line is implied. Any 3 points will form a triangle unless they are in an straight line. Fun fact, any point along either circle that isn't at an intersection or inline with the two centers will be an isosceles triangle by definition.

>>513144704
this man was also literally educated in Prussia
the entire thread is the biggest kike bullshit I have ever seen

>>513146068
you dont even know the words mean that you are using

>>513122834
Yes, that's what I said. I don't think I'm missing that point.

swedish bro, is there any guide for trivium?

>>513146465
why dont you just go fuck yourself and your entire kike thread

>>513146068
would you say the later influence of the french may be a factor? Im very esoteric and the french revolution and its impact on mathmatical systems cant be ignored. But our model is defintely prussian

>>513146158
yeah i tried to be kind because the thread is getting people thinking but OP isnt remotely accurate in its accusations

>>513146606
finally someone with common sense

>>513095194
>Johann Fichte
>Pic related
It would be more appropriate to call it the jewish school system for goyim. It was brought over to the US, and thus exported globally, after WW2 by a jew whos name I forget.

>>513092940
>no "imaginary number" type shit
anon, imaginary numbers (and quaternions and octionions) are geometry. quaternions, which are the three dimensional version of imaginary numbers (two dimensional), are used in graphics processing algorithms for their computational efficiency. Not just i, but i, j, and k all rotate into one another and into the real numbers.

ty for attending my TED talk.

Elucidea 2.8E please.
I don't pay for games.

>>513145774
God is the Divine Geomoter.

>>513092940
Issac newton wrote calculus with the goal of connecting you with God. Intertia is love and fear. The USA benefitted from pivoting away from euclidian proofs to abstract analysis by speed racing students to calculus by forgoing Euclidian proofs. OP is just wrong, and USA hegemony on technology along with the rest of Western Europe affirms that

Highschool was such a waste.

>>513144704
>motivated USA to reform
motivated our jews to fake going to the moon, more like

>>513091928 (OP)
if you liked that, then you'll love this:
Elements of Euclid: The First Six Books with Coloured Diagrams and Symbols - Byrne

>>513147250
I find it hilarious when new buildings pop up in my city, and they have all these straight lines all over, like the modern architects are trying to impress us that they can use a ruler.

>>513114526
oh, there it is...
maybe you'd like this:
A Pathway Into Number Theory - Burn

>>513147476
the real jewish trick here is convincing people that mankind cant accomplish anything it sets its mind to. Occams razor, USA has too many adversaries with capability to prove it, simpliest explanation is we went and the tech to go there is more simple then the iphone.

>>513146247
>Yes, that's what I said
Nah, it's possibly what you meant, but this is what you said:
>Maybe, but it also hides that this could also be true.

>>513092208
>>513092092

NEW THREAD

>>513147617
>>513147617
>>513147617

How do I do it with 3E?
I solved the 2L.

>>513147665
Flying buttresses are the greatest architectural achievement and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

>>513114526
byrne's version is an intuitional pump like other books involving proofs without words.
Proofs Without Words: Exercises in Visual Thinking (Classroom Resource Materials, 1) - Nelsen

>>513146465
https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

table of contents:
>>513097155

there are many books about it

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512205412/#512207103

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/28260478-trivium

https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Fundamental-Liberal-Arts-Rhetoric/dp/0996630716

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/444817.The_Trivium

>>513147753
Wtf? What do you think I was doing in starting a circle with the same radius along the first circle? I'm saying either intersection is valid and three circles are unnecessary and belie the true nature of what is happening.

>>513147740
reminder, since ww2, jews are running the USA. that's 20 years before "went to the moon" hoax

They don't teach you this because the christians don't like the worshipers of Apollo.
In case you were confused.

>>513116133
predicate calculus and naive set theory are considered advanced topics

>>513116810
because the hand and the eye feedforward intuition

>>513148035
i didnt know what you're doing, but it looked like you were saying there is some other Point C which is created but doesnt form a triangle. you didnt use very many words, anon, so i had to guess. but yeah only 2 circles are necessary...at last we are in agreement

>>513146158
He also enjoyed working in NSDAP Germany, which might as well be an entirely different dimension of reality at this point.

>>513146216
When public education was implemented in the United States in 1850s Massachusetts, it was modeled on the Prussian system, and still is to this day.

>>513148244
Bro, I've been saying that the whole time. I can't help that you can't decipher I was saying the other intersection point is also an equilateral triangle. That's why I also named it C. No one else had a problem with it.

>>513146606
>would you say the later influence of the french may be a factor? Im very esoteric and the french revolution and its impact on mathmatical systems cant be ignored.

Maybe. In any case it has degenerated, and it will never be fixed. It's better just to opt out of it entirely.

>>513148244
Also, how the fuck could three points not form a triangle? Literally only one out of infinite choices and that's if they're in a straight line. My example clearly was not in a straight line. It was obvious what I was saying.

>>513147901
Why did byrne leave out lines k,l and m in 6.23, byrne sucks ass

>>513147476
Denying the Moon landing seems like anti-White jewish propaganda to me.

>>513148638
>is left as an exercise to the reader

>>513146135
QED is stupid Roman shit, we still say ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι around here

>>513094465
>draw line segment using straight edge
>with the compass, draw two circles centered at the ends of the line segment and whose radii are equal to the length of the line segment
>now draw the radii to one of the points of intersection of the circles
Voilà! A triangle with all sides equal to the original line segment.

>>513148662
that's because you happily/proudly gobbled up the slop dealt to you by the Weimerican jew media which promoted the notion of "American greatness" following the war in which Americans helped the jews destroy Europe. if you are today jew-aware you should be able to look at the happening with a different perspective that is not so basic as what you've expressed here.

>>513148636
>three points not form a triangle
yeah i meant equilateral triangle. anyway we already agreed to what you were saying. why are you still coming at me like some angry bitch