Thread 513097753

EU message scanning law is being voted against!
In two months.

All I now need is some friends that will join me in a WhatsApp group to talk about how Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>513097896
you could probably create a fake friend identity with a prepaid SIM card onto a second phone and government will fall for your trick and arrest a ghost user

>>513097943
Getting hold of an anonymous prepaid SIM card is not that easy. Try it. Let me know how you get on.

>>513097943
just come to Russia / Belarus / Ukraine and buy a sim card from someone.

>>513098070
maybe Sweden?

>>513098105
>Yes, please Geran me

>>513098184
Ok, come to Russia / Belarus and buy a sim card from someone. They will be available to buy online anyway

>>513098070
you can buy esim with monero yum yum
or if you want physical sim go to marketplace

>>513097753 (OP)
My government voted against this? Impossible, these turbo kikes will claw each others eyes out for who gets to sell us out to the EU first.

>>513098145
>Sweden?
Not anymore. You have to register with digital ID to activate a prepaid SIM card. But in Denmark you can still buy and use prepaid sim anonymously.

>>513098227
I can still be tracked though. They'll know where I am because of the 5g towers. Anyway, it's all academic. I have no friends that will want to discuss how Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>513098311
no shit sherlock, thats why you use a burner phone

>>513098370
How will that stop me getting tracked, Dr. Watson?

I'll bomb my messaging apps with coinslot pics.

>>513098405
go on a train trip, activate sim and do your thing

>>513097753 (OP)
lmao yurocucks don't need privacy. a bunch of spineless faggots. good riddance

>>513097753 (OP)
Hopefully they'll get it right the first time.

>>513097753 (OP)
>have announced opposition
I remember when we voiced opposition about letting the Ukraine into the EU and our government played the good goy without the need for EU interference

>A majority in the House of Representatives, with the exception of VVD and D66, subsequently declared that they would respect the outcome of the referendum if the turnout exceeded 30% even if it is not binding.

>promise to honor the referendum
>2/3rd vote fuck off
>you voted wrong goys, referendum ignored
>my map when

>>513098885
I remember this. One of the most surreal things I've ever witnessed in 'politics'.

Wasn't Germany also against this?

I still don't understand how they intend to have this implemented.
Do they expect phones come installed with snooping apps?
Do they expect companies to let them run the scanner on their databases (presuming non-end to end encrypted).
Or what?

>>513099805
good question

>>513099805
Phones already have those, they just expect to get the info after israel

>>513097753 (OP)
Dismantle the EU already
useless worthless shit
hate them all

>>513098242
Gotta message their drug dealer somehow.

How is that exactly gonna work for things like signal? Doubt signal will cave in, even then some fork will appear, so they just gonna ban the app?

>>513097753 (OP)
Whites are losers. They need to be enslaved so they know what we went through. Chain them up, take away all they freedoms. They won't object cause they like it that way!

>>513097753 (OP)
The EU is going to blackmail me with my flirts with a short giga obese woman (I'm afraid to be see in public with her)

>>513100675
you're brown and disgusting and you stink like shit

use your own encryption keys probably when sending sensitive messages??

I bet Jewban will use this shit to crack down on opposition as he feels that his power and voting base is vaning ofc fidesz MEPs are in favour of this crap

>>513097896
>join jewish/cia mylife app
good goy, you're so dumb, you make for the perfect slave

>>513097753 (OP)
the eurofags are pathetic losers. that's why they continue obeying eu.

Isn't it getting tiresome hearing "the EU" bang the gong all the time about how it's for freedom and prosperity or something and it's all it's done is try and take away freedom and limit prosperity the more it goes on.
They know that "the people" are getting the shits, things aren't working, things are getting worse and these bureaucrats offer nothing except threats and bullshit. Now they're saying they want to read your phone all the time in an obvious attempt to chill dissent. I wonder what bullshit campaign they'll run very seriously to try and channel anger into, maybe a referendum on drag queens or something.

The more time goes on, the more I'm convinced that carrying a smartphone is just carrying a cop around with you everywhere.

https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-reviewed-von-der-leyens-pfizergate-texts-then-let-them-disappear/
Don't worry though, politicians won't have to worry about anything :)

>>513100804
based, keep it up anon

>>513097753 (OP)
Yeah, this is not happening in the Netherlands.

Holland is the center of the European drug trade, they need access to secure encryption, anonymous sim cards, and unmonitored rooms.

>>513098227
Link?

>>513097753 (OP)
i hate the antichrist

>>513098242
You know why they voted against it.
"We don't want the EU to do our job, let us prove our worth master"

>>513097753 (OP)
I knew this was coming when they arrested the telegram guy in Paris on bullshit charges a year ago.
Their Chinese style police state doesn't work if there's loop holes that avoid the mass surveillance.
If you haven't made arrangements yet, you better get off your ass, because every officially released app on your phone is about to become a thought crime honeypot

>>513102474
kycnot.me

>>513102994
In reality, they've been able to read your messages forever. They're just implementing the legal framework to throw you in prison over it now.

>>513099805
>how they intend to have this implemented.
using a backdoor which is already implemented on your phone
they just need to set up the law to criminalize the npcs

>>513101827
>use your own encryption keys probably when sending sensitive messages??
useless when your device is already compromised yum yum
the "scanning" is done locally prior to msgs being encrypted

>>513102994
What arrangements?

>>513098070
Go to the next larger train station, locate the local alcoholics and bums near it, ask one of them to buy you a sim in exchange for a beer or bottle of vodka, done.

>>513100052
This.
I like trade. But trade agreements can be made without this gay union.

>>513103562
this works too

>>513098740
>ideas so good, you have to put them on vote several times

>>513097753 (OP)
>scanners

>>513100563
They will ban the app like they did in Russia, and you'll be able to ignore the ban by clicking on "censorship circumvention" in advanced settings

>>513103241
>throw you in prison
more like social score you panopticon style until you behave yourself or stay home indefinitely

>>513103980
Over here it's literally
>ideas so good, you have to put it to a vote 3 times, where it fails all 3 times and then you decide to just ignore the votes and do it anyway

>>513103980
In France and several other countries, they lost the vote and still went ahead

>>513100563
The scan's going to be local, rather than being a man-in-the-middle attack. No need to ban the app, your messages will simply be scanned prior to being encrypted.

>>513104035
you dont understand rusbro
they want to "lawfully" scan your phone's contents

>>513104165
this germ nose

>>513104148
>>513104162
that's why I don't vote, voting is just plaything for masses at the best and humiliation ritual for mindless serf at worse

by not voting and influencing everyone to not do it, the system will eventually collapse since they can't rule if only small segment of population does it, or at least it proves that the king is naked

>>513097753 (OP)
>EU message scanning law is being voted against!
in EU you vote untill kikes approve the vote

>>513104172
Holy shit I hate the EU so much

>>513097753 (OP)
you know whats funny?
even if this passes it still wont do jack shit because for the message scanning to effectively bypass encryption they need to be read before they're sent, which means modifying the OS on phone and basically installing a backdoor on your device
For this law to be effective they need to prevent people from installing custom smartphone OSes which is pretty much impossible. US police is already breaking their balls trying to break into GrapheneOS smartphones and such with no success, so it's not about criminals
and UK pretty much admitted that their face scanning laws aren't really about protecting minors
It's about suppressing dissent. Things are about to get a lot shittier and you, the common man will have to carry the brunt of it. Monitoring messages is about disrupting communications among people so they cannot act as one and threaten the status quo.

>>513104165
this, and that's why they're pushing AI so hard on smart phones
>I'm afraid I can't let you post this racist message+your social score has been automatically reduced by N points

>>513104165
As if local scans are really happening local, they would need to put all their bad word detection into the app or device and any change would lead need a user update

They will 100% send it away to "scan" it

>>513104360
I know what you mean but the system won’t collapse for not voting, thats either delusional or cope. Candidates don’t need any threshold of votes they just need to get the majority of them. As long as the winning candidate has a monopoly on violence and taxes nothing can change

This is a great idea. Its a way to find all the degenerates to be arrested and make their lives a living hell so we can clean up society. Get rid of the welfare goons and let the people that matter and contribute have better lives.
I support this fully and cant wait for it to kick in.

>>513097753 (OP)
anyone who still supports the EU in 2025 is a brainwashed NPC
10 or even 5 years ago I would have excused their ignorance but now the emperor is naked

>>513104492
>GrapheneOS
this is the way

>>513097753 (OP)
How do you guys put up with this shit? Either most of you stand against it and your leaders pass it anyway or it passes flawlessly and you lose faith in your fellow man. Parliamentarianism is a nightmare.

>>513104595
right, they want to see ALL the content not some word dtection filter

>>513104595
You're mistaken, I'm afraid. Read up on how Apple's CSAM monitoring for iCloud worked, for example.

These scans will be on-device matching.

why it is always the scandicucks that pushing for these vile shits?

>>513104785
>How do you guys put up with this shit?
ironic coming from a mutt

It takes less than 10 minutes to create a pseudorandom lookup table based encryption with a seed as a key (or whatever level of complication you wish). There is not a single criminal who will not pre encrypt his messages, and the EU knows this. This is just mass surveillance by greedy politicians.

>>513104621
that doesn't really scale if 60+% refused to play the game voluntarily

>>513104825
apple csam uses AI seeds to scan for images/videos
this is different

>>513104965
>apple csam uses AI seeds to scan for images/videos
No. It used on-device hash matching.

>>513104949
I don’t think you are right. Look at Venezuela right now, more than 60% of people are against the government but what are they gonna do, the state has the army the police the intelligence agencies. You try to do something they kidnap or kill you.
Even if most people do hate the government counting on them to unite and risk their lives to fight it is beyond delusional, most people are closer to cattle than they are to free men. They would rather live in moderate discomfort and misery than risk fighting, unless the state rounds them up and tells them to fight, in which case they will do it. There’s a sheepish nature to how the masses move and think.

I’m just saying I doubt your idea of non participation would work

>>513105040
yeah whatever its called
they could in theory apply the same local AI hashing technique to flag specific messages which would then need to be broadcasted to a remote server
but i suspect they want to see all raw messages

Your phone will run a comped OS and do remote attestation that local scanning is enabled before being allowed on the internet. Aftermarket Android ROMs and root access will be banned. Linux desktops will be banned.

>>513105242
>but i suspect they want to see all raw messages
this, it is all about checking on discontent

>>513104623
+10 good goy points

>>513104859
Our Congress is bad, but we don't let it rule the nation. There are also many checks that make it hard for a law to even survive. Either the President can try to reject it or it goes through and then you can take it to the Supreme Court to try to get it restricted. We've had attempts at authoritarian laws in the past like PROTECT and PATRIOT, but they get torn up over the years and were only able to pass in the first place because all branches were caught up in a frenzy over 9/11. Something like this would never pass in America and is incomprehensible to me. I bet it'd never pass for you guys either, but a lot of governments don't care about votes.

>>513104922
mein nigger
this is useless when your device is already comped
i mean you could always use air-gapped device to encrypt your msgs then transfer to phone

>>513104825
>Believes what the government or corporate says
Apple participated in PRISM like any other tech company

>>513104013
>send msg
>phone blows up in your face

>>513105492
no shit, 14 eyes is already watching everything
but they cant use the law to charge you because it doesnt fucking exist..yet

>>513105310
>Aftermarket Android ROMs and root access will be banned. Linux desktops will be banned.
people will begin crafting own messaging devices then, without the need for cellular infrastructure
LoRa meshtastic is a runner up to this

>>513105956
Oy vey, are you sending illicit illegal messages without letting your government read it first? Not only you're trying to hide something which is extremely suspicious, but you're also interfering with the honest citizens' wifi, microwave ovens, pacemakers and smartwatches by sending your dangerous em RADIATION everywhere. From henceforth such methods of communication are likewise outlawed!

>>513101039
Don't feed niggers with (You)s, they get paid for proof of engagement.

>>513098070
Fly to Portugal, pretty easy.
I guess one could also order them on portugese ebay or in online shops.

>>513105490
Maybe it’s unreasonable that people will do that in pratice. If devices are comped, you should start smuggling outside-EU phones… In the current state of the proposal, the law wishes for the apps to do the work, e.g. whatsapp will pass your message along to be scanned in clear text. I assume if its flagged by ai, then some real world faggot will have to check it, so me having an algorithm for periodically sending messages with “sensitive” words via an algorithm could be a lot of work for someone else…

>>513104165
ok, but how are they going to scan it locally?
like with another app that your phones comes installed with?
Or will apps need to have a scanner bundled to be sold in the EU?

>>513109327
The proposal is trying to circumvent breaking encryption by having the user “voluntarily” send messages for inspection via the app (ergo there will be a EU-version of WhatsApp). If the user does not agree, then the message cannot be sent. So the voluntary part is just a legal absurdity.

>>513097753 (OP)
Time to start randomly flooding eu phones with messages about the joys of gassing niggers and jews.

>>513109327
hardcoded into OS censor AI which reads whatever you send and tries to figure out the context of your messages. If it think's it's naughty, it snitches on you.

>>513109527
If that's the case, I actually love chat control.
Because if it's an opt-in, it's basically government issue parent controls.
Being able to set your kids phone to scanning for creeper shit while not having it on your phone sounds like a great solution

>>513097753 (OP)
How is my country simultaneously so pozzed yet so often so resistant against EU fuckery

>>513097753 (OP)
Their CBDC releases in October too

>>513097896
i dont give a damn about pedos that fuck children.

like sorry police & politicians- you have to catch these people without completely shooting us into dystopian total surveillance world. our privacy comes first. some kids also enjoy it so its zero justification AT ALL.

>>513104492
>For this law to be effective they need to prevent people from installing custom smartphone OSes which is pretty much impossible.
It's as simple as mandating all smartphones sold in the EU must have locked bootloaders that require correct signatures and cannot be unlocked by any software means. The autists who will monkey around with the hardware cannot really be stopped, but everyone else can trivially be stopped. This is a false sense of security, your freedom to install alternative operating systems can be taken from you at a moment's notice.

>>513109772
It also means you cannot send any messages from your phone. It’s voluntary in the way that you can just stop using your phone as a communication device.

>>513101827
e.g. openkeychain

>>513097753 (OP)
You don’t need to communicate to shoot politicians.