Thread 513102554

>Why should I study Latin? It's sufficient to know English.
https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

When in Rome you do as the Romans do, you learn GREEK

ardet cum urinam facio... plinius maior cataplasma sinapis tritae cum aceto commendat; nunc mentula mea ardet et olet sicut taberna piscium et patatarum frictarum
nunc eius methodum "garum in urethram" experior... heu...

Will anyone be learning English in 2000 years though?

>>513103556
post annos MM, omnes hominibus opera shakesperii per urethram deonloadata habebunt

Scriptor primigenius viros vehementer cupit.

>>513103556
There may be some organic evolution of the language, but languages are more or less converging to Ænglish.
It's unlikely Chinese, the second most spoken language can't change that since it doesn't have much use outside of China.
We are already reaching the point where you either speak Ænglish, or expect to use a translator app.

>>513102641
psos
(primum scriptum optimum scriptum)

>>513108694
Besides, since so many western products are made in China, and thus use Ænglish wording, these products also filter into general use in China. It's far less likely to encounter Chinese symbols in the west enough that they become familiar.

>>513102554 (OP)
Latin languages are disgusting and retarded, much like their people.
Only Germanic languages matter.

>>513108694
As languages with greater genetic distance between them have come into contact, it becomes a lot easier to insert one word in one inflected form into the common language rather than learning the other grammar ('the blue bird in the blue sky sees the blue water,' not 'avis caerulea in caelo caeruleo aquam caeruleam vidit'). You see the Romance, Germanic, and Celtic languages increasingly becoming analytic rather than inflectional. Probably what will happen is that various regions will have their own distinct words (Indians still distinguishing caste while the rest of the world uses 'pajeet'), but each of these will be within the framework of English grammar.

>>513103556
Yes...
English is a peak muttoid language and even retarded poopjeets and niggers are able to learn it.
Most English speakers are poopjeets and it will only grow.

>>513107053
hic ignavus sub vexillo avarorum stultorum loquitur verum.
lollare!

>>513109081
The problem with loss of language complexity (as in >>513109243 ) is that you cannot say as much. You cannot be precise with a language that does not distinguish various past aspects. There's a story that floats around here where an African language translates 'up the tree,' 'halfway up the tree,' 'partway up the tree,' 'most of the way up the tree' etc as the same phrase. Without gradation and degrees of distinction, the language makes the people stupid.

>>513109710
Except for where that complexity is gendered grammar.
I don't need to know my table is female.

>>513109710
>Without gradation and degrees of distinction, the language makes the people stupid.
Nice cope but Sino-Tibetan languages and people have the highest IQ in the world.

>>513110040
I wonder why we still use gendered language for machines...

>>513110079
It kind of complicates adoption when it wasn't until 2013 that an official "List of Commonly Used Standard Chinese Characters" was introduced.

>>513102554 (OP)
Chad synthetic vs virgin analytic

>>513110079
Chinese iq is quite high, but only within a preexisting system. For millennia, the Chinese perfected the art of rice growing, which requires categorization, systemization, and bureaucracy. The community must work together to maximize food production. However, there is rarely anything new introduced into that system, and so they become really good at exploiting the system, not radically designing new ones. As a result, Chinese civilization is based around bureaucracy (think the Chinese dynasties or their modern collectivized culture), and they are really good at exploiting existing systems (eg American higher education/medical school). Compare this with European intelligence, which, being forged in winters without food and with wild beasts, preferences those able to accommodate any eventuality. Hence, the European penchant for creativity and the Asian excellence in bureaucracy.

You also have to take into consideration the writing system. An alphabet is the best form of language for creativity; logograms the worst. An alphabet allows you to create new words by adding prefixes, inflecting old forms, and compounding words. However, it is also very accessible to outsiders. Logographic writing systems prevent easy access by outsiders (due to the vast quantity that must be memorized), but offer little room for innovation. This is the expected hallmark of a bureaucratic race. Compare, for reference, Egyptian hieroglyphs and Sumerian cuneiform. Pictograms are the writing instruments of a slave race. Cuneiform (syllabograms) allows the scribe to strain towards improvement.

>>513110040
Well yeah, but mensis and mensa both come from the root 'to measure,' and are distinguished only really by gender. One means month, and the other means table. Gender is a fairly decent tool for word generation, something quite difficult in languages.

>>513110040
>>513110431
I'm a beginner Latin learner, but I reckon "gender" is actually helpful. First of all it doesn't really have anything to do with male and female, that's just terminology, it's more kind of like you have color coding. Why is it useful? Because within a sentence you want to know which other word a word is related to/connected to/referring to. One way to achieve that is by "coding" words in so-called gender. If "fast" is referring to "car" and "car" is "masculine" then the word "fast" is with a different ending than if it were referring to a "feminine" word. So it's like you have three crayons with you at all times, coloring all words with these three colors. Then when you see a word you don't have to guess which other word it's talking about, you know "oh this word is green, so it must be related to this other green word, not this red word over in this part of the sentence". Three colors means less ambiguity than one color. Swedish has two "genders" but we don't even think of them as masculine and feminine, just t-words and n-words. I don't really see how they are useful in Swedish though because Swedish like English is almost completely devoid of declensions. I will have to think about it. Off the top of my head I can't think of any major benefit of the "genders" in Swedish.

Look at picrel. Genders, as well as all other declensions, ie the different word forms that are in the OP pic, help minimize syntactic ambiguity, syntactic ambiguity is a problem in English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syntactic_ambiguity

Another example sentence is:
>They had living quarters for workers in the refinery.

This is syntactically ambiguous, just as the sentence in picrel. It can mean either that the living quarters were located in the refinery, and were for workers (not necessarily the workers of the refinery), or that the living quarters were for the people who work in the refinery (but may or may not be located in the refinery).

>>513112250
>This is syntactically ambiguous, just as the sentence in picrel. It can mean either that the living quarters were located in the refinery, and were for workers (not necessarily the workers of the refinery), or that the living quarters were for the people who work in the refinery (but may or may not be located in the refinery).

This is because you don't know whether "in the refinery" is modifying "living quarters" or "workers". Declensions, including gender, tell you these things, so there is no ambiguity. In English all you have to your disposal is word order, but as both of the two example sentences show word order does not necessarily disambiguate.

>>513110431
What do you mean by that?

>>513102554 (OP)
english is the goyslop language. half of it isn't even germanic. greek and latin are niggercattle repellent because retards can't learn them

>>513109472
We can only hope and pray that poopjeets are cleansed from the earth at some point in the not too distant future. At this point its looking like China might be the only hope to prevent the eternal global toilet.

>>513112250
>John saw the man on the mountain with a telescope.
Even in Latin this sentence would be ambiguous.
Iohannes vidit virum in monte cum telescopio.

Without the 'cum,' telescopio would be ablative of means, as in 'John saw by means of a telescope.'

You would want to put the prepositional phrases near whichever word they modified, eg Iohannes virum in monte telescopio vidit. However, a better composition would be to include participles to denote the relationships between the words, eg Iohannes tenens telescopium virum stantem in monte vidit (John, holding (not using) a telescope, saw the man standing on the mountain).

>>513113894
Language is only as good as the mind behind it.

>>513109472
>>513113358

like i said, greek and languages are patrician languages. they are spoken by conquerors, mathematicians, philosophers. english is spoken by pajeets, nigerians, and cletus

>>513113358
Well, I'm just a beginner Latin learner but I don't think Latin has to be difficult to learn for anyone.

https://youtu.be/Qm5vLsdwjVM

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

01 https://files.catbox.moe/zj3yws.mp4
02 https://files.catbox.moe/3t7sc3.mp4
03 https://files.catbox.moe/1cjlwe.mp4
04 https://files.catbox.moe/5ljwg8.mp4
05 https://files.catbox.moe/etzxkw.mp4
06 https://files.catbox.moe/0kh9gs.mp4
07 https://files.catbox.moe/1hntqg.mp4
08 https://files.catbox.moe/559z4u.mp4
09 https://files.catbox.moe/heuw4i.mp4
10 https://files.catbox.moe/n9gpgw.mp4
11 https://files.catbox.moe/zvf2dc.mp4
12 https://files.catbox.moe/a0art4.mp4
13 https://files.catbox.moe/n580tf.mp4
14 https://files.catbox.moe/h2eikt.mp4
15 https://files.catbox.moe/rqbjv6.mp4
16 https://files.catbox.moe/wi5xus.mp4
17 https://files.catbox.moe/ht9noe.mp4
18 https://files.catbox.moe/9ospv5.mp4
19 https://files.catbox.moe/9o2h9f.mp4
20 https://files.catbox.moe/r1bafj.mp4
21 https://files.catbox.moe/x6y9sd.mp4
22 https://files.catbox.moe/65vrqi.mp4
23 https://files.catbox.moe/2tybr2.mp4
24 https://files.catbox.moe/5nlup0.mp4
25 https://files.catbox.moe/kwehqn.mp4
26 https://files.catbox.moe/7rim8t.mp4
27 https://files.catbox.moe/464bxv.mp4
28 https://files.catbox.moe/f2k98o.mp4
29 https://files.catbox.moe/kfoafs.mp4
30 https://files.catbox.moe/xmf1qc.mp4
31 https://files.catbox.moe/2svzr7.mp4

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files

https://archive.org/details/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata_202506

>>513114061
>english is spoken by pajeets, nigerians, and cletus
That should be Cleto (ablative of agent).
>>513114098
Based.

>>513113894
I'm a beginner Latin learner and that picture is a screenshot from the wikipedia article. Yes, even Latin can have syntactic ambiguity. My point stands that declensions, including gender, help reduce ambiguity, it's probably the whole point of it, and Latin I'm pretty sure is generally less syntactically ambiguous than English, or needs less words to achieve the same level of ambiguity.

>>513114479
>less words
*fewer

>>513114479
That is correct; Latin is much more rigorous in its grammar than English, and far more economical. However, you will eventually come across a particularly Latin weakness: the lack of articles. When Latin nests subordinate clauses, it becomes difficult rather quickly to determine which word is being modified, even with gender, since the word in the subordinate clause that connects to the main clause will be in a different case. Latin uses periphrastic constructions as best it can, but Latin cannot be a philosophical language as it stands. Greek, on the other hand, loves articles, and Greek philosophical writing is much clearer due to what the language can do.

Anyway, thank you for the good thread, and the best of luck in learning Latin.

Iter Latinum felix tibi sit.

>>513112250
>τοῖς ἐν τῷ καθαρτηρίῳ ἐργαζομένοις ὑπῆρχεν οἰχήματα
>τοῖς ἐργαζομένοις ὑπῆρχεν οἰχήματα ἐν τῷ καθαρτηρίῳ

>ὁ Ἰωάννης τῷ τηλεσκοπίῳ εἶδέν τιν' ἄνδρα ἐπὶ τοῦ ὄρους ὄντα
>ὀ Ἰωάννης εἶδέν τιν' ἄνδρα ἐπὶ τοῦ τηλεσκόπιον ἔχοντος ὄρους ὄντα
>ὀ Ἰωάννης εἶδέν τιν' ἄνδρα τηλεσκόπιον ἔχοντα ἐπὶ τοῦ ὄρους ὄντα
>ὀ Ἰωάννης ἐπὶ τοῦ ὄρους ὢν τῷ τηλεσκοπίῳ εἶδέν τιν' ἄνδρα
>ὀ Ἰωάννης ἐπὶ τοῦ ὄρους ὢν εἶδέν τιν' ἄνδρα τηλεσκόπιον ἔχοντα

having participles for days helps a lot

>>513115305
My Latin journey ended stuck in a ditch on the way to Rome. Good riddance.

At this point I'm trying learn hebrew. If you want to stop being a slave, learn the language of your masters

>>513114479
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's useless.
Just that the value of grammatical gender in specific circumstances doesn't warrant the extra metadata.
That extra information and complication ultimately discourages its use as a lingua franca.

>>513116796
>If you want to stop being a slave, learn the language of your masters
Our masters are given a classical education which consists of Latin grammar and Greek grammar, logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy.

>>513102554 (OP)
no great man ever has been content with being merely sufficient in something

>>513116855
I think it warrants it.
>discourages its use as lingua franca
False dichotomy. There are times you want languages to be complex and precise. And then there are times you want a lingua franca, which is not when you want them to be complex and precise but quite the opposite scenario, it's basically the same thing as why pidgin languages exist.

>>513116796
>At this point I'm trying learn hebrew. If you want to stop being a slave, learn the language of your masters
Kek