Thread 513104883

Dave Smith has suggested that Nick Fuentes should abandon his traditional Catholic persona and openly acknowledge his sexuality. He argues that by not admitting he is gay, Fuentes leaves himself vulnerable to criticism and attacks from opponents who may exploit this perceived hypocrisy.

Smith believes that embracing his true identity would not only strengthen Fuentes' position but also allow him to engage more authentically with his audience.

https://youtu.be/1MJ8JneyU1Q?si=96oem-CINhG7eUfE

I just can't take religious people seriously anymore, period. Being spiritual is cool but virtually every single religion is clearly made for slaves.

Of course he would say that. He's a jew.

>>513104883 (OP)
Hes audience knows hes a fruitcake. Big deal. They think its funny gay brown dude shits on white people.

>>513105053
Religion is political. God gave man faith, then the devil said, "hey...let me organize that for you!"

>>513105053
>spiritual but not religious
Holy cringelennial

>>513105197
Ok, whatever.
>>513105172
Religion is tied into political systems also meant to enslave you, yes.

Thete is nothing hypocritical about suppressing gay urges and being a catholic.

>>513104883 (OP)
>why aren't you cooming and simping for pussy, you must be gay!

How pathetic modern men are, theres always been the shamans or monks who have a higher calling than base desires

>>513104883 (OP)

oh wow another jew controlled opposition nice nice so subtle jews

>>513105609
Yeah and what has a shaman or monk ever been good for?

>>513105053
You have to distinguish being religious personally and whether a society in general is better off being mostly religious. Sad fact is that most people are better off having rough guidelines to live by.

>>513104883 (OP)
>jewy looking Literally Who? says a thing about an obviously astroturfed asset
And I should give a fuck about this why?

>>513104883 (OP)
Yeah, Nicky should come out of the closet. The LGBTQ+ left would hate that.

>>513105731
>You have to distinguish being religious personally and whether a society in general is better off being mostly religious.
Why? Neither of us are in charge of a society, anon.

>>513104883 (OP)
>omg is he gay???
what are we, in middle school? Who gives a shit

>>513105620
Anyone left on jewtoob is an asset.
Anyone who is organically critical of the fuckin jews and isn't a bought and paid for asset is already gone
dudes like Nukey G got thanos snapped with a quickness

>>513105869
Goes to fake allegations of hypocrisy
Spic Foo-wen-tez claims to be a "Catholic" while simultaneously being a sodomite
Sodomy is condemned by the Catholic church
I know. I'm Catholic.
Not one of those faggy Marxist "liberation theology" heretic Catholics like all the fuckin spics from Mexico and points south...
But an actual old school Catholic who rejects Vatican II and everything after it.

>>513105855
No, but you do have influence on public boards. I am personally not actually into religion, but I do rather support it in general.

>>513105753
>8sec into video
>they're tiny
>they're whiny
>they dress like homos 10yrs ago did
you're right

>>513104883 (OP)
Well that cinches it, because of this I disavow /pol/ talking points regurgitated by spic fuentes, the holohoax is real, jews are the best and innocent, White is evil and guilty, open borders to White countries is good, etc.

>>513104883 (OP)
finally a right wing influencer we can trust. a jewish one

>>513106017
you have no proof that he's a sodomite. Even if you think he's gay because he suspiciously isn't seen fucking around w/ women, there's still a good chance he hates it / is closeted and he's never had gay sex

>>513104883 (OP)
>/pol/ sides with the literal kike
many such cases, sad!

>>513105053
it's the opposite for me, especially in the context of politics or ethics.
what the hell is a "human right" under the naturalistic worldview where we're all just slightly more intelligent monkeys in a meaningless universe with no objective purpose? if we're just accidental byproducts of evolution, then rights are just sentimental constructs, no more binding than a wolf's preference not to be kicked. you can say "slavery is wrong," but without something transcendent that's just your opinion versus a slaver's.
meanwhile, the religious, even the more worthless ones like islam, at least try to ground ethics in something bigger than tribal instincts or power struggles.

>>513106296
You don't seem to understand
I don't fuckin care if he is or not
Anyone left on JooToob is an asset
Anyone organic and authentic has already been deleted
The fact that he has not been deleted - and is this vocal - means he is astroturfed by default
>NO! YOU DON"T HAVE PROOF OF TH-
I don't fuckin CARE if there's proof or not. Even if there were, I would not trust it.
Creepy little spic faggot comes out of nowhere, runs his cock holster like mad and "somehow" doesn't get deleted by turbo-kikes running Kiketoob?
Nah.

>>513105172
>>513105197
>>513105731
>>513106607
Jew worshipping cockroaches crawl out of the woodwork.
>Most people need religion because you're just an uncivilized dumb goy

>>513105609
>why aren't you cooming and simping for pussy, you must be gay!
Madre mia bendita dios nos coja confesados.
>>513106296
>you have no proof that he's a sodomite.
Have anybody thought that the guy maybe is like mennered asexual? Dunno just saying...

faggot or not, nick is based in my book and no jew can convince me otherwise

>>513106607
You really just make religion sound like a cope to avoid accepting the reality that the only right you have is one that you have the power to enforce or that some else decided to enforce for you and that rights are decided arbitrarily by people in power and otherwise are artificial.

>>513105128
>brown
are you retarded you fucking kike cracker?

>>513106532
>>513107616
>>513107693
That's what Smith is saying. Nick being gay does not detract from the good points he makes. But lying about not being gay is bad optics.

>>513107832
Dave Smith makes edgy black and gay jokes regularly on LoS, so its hard to take what hes saying actually seriously when it comes to accusations of someone being homo

amazing gimmick this brit anon has going... posting random people claiming they say nick is gay, then people discuss it as though that actually happened with no one even checking to see if they even said it (they didn't)

>>513104883 (OP)
Even if nick isnt gay, what does it say about him when literally every single person in the world all assumes he is and cant believe otherwise?

>>513107731
you're so close to getting it.
if there's no higher authority, no God, no sacred order, then yes, "rights" are just whatever the powerful enforce.
that's not an argument against religion, it's the inevitable conclusion of your materialism.

you call it a "cope," but what's your alternative? a world where morality is just the strong imposing their will on the weak? where "justice" is a euphemism for "whatever the current regime allows?"
that's not realism, it's a surrender to nihilism with extra steps.

at least religion dares to say some things are truly wrong, not just inconvenient. strip that away and all you're left with is "might makes right" in a universe that doesn't give a shit. if that's your idea of enlightenment, no wonder modernity feels so hollow.

Oh look... more attacks on Nick, but using other ecelbs people may potentially trust.

I skimmed that owen benjamin video and he wasn't saying anything valid. He was rehashing low tier left wing critique of nick. He attempted to say Ali Alexander was Nick's "bestie", but that whole thing has been wildly miscategorized to try to hurt Nick and others. Of course a fag is going to be trying to hook up w\ teenage boys. That's what they do. That's what the catholic church stuff mostly is too... gay men. They'll never say that... the people who talk about it often only hope to hurt the church as a whole and undermine christianity. It's gays.

And after Nick blew tucker the fuck out, blew candace out, and exposed the CIA & Thiel zionist connections, of coures they've got people trying to attack him.

>>513109382
>"rights" are just whatever the powerful enforce.
No you're not getting it, I'm quite literally saying that. The issue with how you word this, it just makes you sound like you're coping because this isn't the reality you want to live in. Well it is.

>you call it a "cope," but what's your alternative? a world where morality is just the strong imposing their will on the weak? where "justice" is a euphemism for "whatever the current regime allows?"
that's not realism, it's a surrender to nihilism with extra steps.
There is no alternative and you're just further making my point that you want to believe this because you don't want to accept the truth because its depressing to you.

As for it being nihilistic, that's just you being asshurt and smearing me for pointing out the obvious.

Christfags need to have a better fucking argument than just, well man isn't the world really depressing if what we say isn't true. It's a fucking stupid argument, this is why you faggots keep losing. That and the fact the churches have been all taken over by trannies, fags and women. Also the Jew worshipers and simps for women.

You guys need to sort your shit, I don't think you will though. I think some new denomination probably needs to come in and wipe out the current ones at this point for Christianity to have a chance and they need to be willing to tell women to shut the fuck up and jews to fuck off.

But this isn't really my problem, its yours.

>>513109382
>strip that away and all you're left with is "might makes right" i
Also I didn't say might makes right, thats fucking stupid.

Might simply makes and people that don't agree with this are actually delusional. Christianity at the height of its power was when it had the might to make. You either have the power to make or you have nothing.

>>513104883 (OP)
As long as he doesn't make it his whole personality like milo, sure who cares.

>>513105609
You will never be white

>>513109817
>Oi bey, why do the goyim persecute Nick so?
He's entire persona is based on gaslighting. He literally asks for it because controversy = clicks and views. He's a millionaire who will never have to work a normal job. He is not a victim in any way, shape or form.

>>513110315
>>513110000
you keep insisting that "rights are whatever the poweful enforce" while getting weirdly defensive when i point out this reduces to "might makes right"
which is it? if morality is just power, then:
1: your outrage at Christians is meaningless, just emotional noise from a monkey who lost the power struggle
2: your rant about jews trannies and women is hypocritical. if power is the only truth, then their dominance proves they're right, and you're just a loser whining about stronger tribes.
you can't simultaneously claim "there is no alternative" to brute force and pretend you're making some profound critique. you're just larping as a realist while seething that reality doesn't obey your preferences.

as for Christianity "losing," the faith outlived rome, survived the enlightenment, and still shapes the west's moral instincts, including yours since you clearly still believe in "right vs wrong" despite your inability to justify it.
your problem isn't with religion, it's that you're a halfway nihilist. you want to sneer at "copes" while still clinging to moral judgments.

>>513111668
>while getting weirdly defensive when i point out this reduces to "might makes right"

You're being retarded on purpose. Might makes. You're putting a moral implication on this which I never did.
>1: your outrage at Christians is meaningless, just emotional noise from a monkey who lost the power struggle
I expressed no outrage, you're being retarded and defensive again. I said you're fucked and losing against the forces of entropy. Your inability to even understand my points is more proof of the quality of its warriors.

>your rant about jews trannies and women is hypocritical. f power is the only truth, then their dominance proves they're right, and you're just a loser whining about stronger tribes.
you can't simultaneously claim "there is no alternative" to brute force and pretend you're making some profound critique. you're just larping as a realist while seething that reality doesn't obey your preferences.
It's not hypocritical, and I didn't say power was truth, I said that the truth is that power makes. Your inability to grasp this concept shows your low IQ.

The rest of your post is just making up shit I never said and implied because you're actually too stupid to understand my point. It's honestly incredible.

>>513107832
>But lying about not being gay is bad optics.
you don't know if he's lying though, you're guessing

Dave also said Candace and Tucker shouldn't have attacked Nick, he also said Nick had some good points and shouldn't be dismissed or silenced.

But you faggots care only about the drama.

>>513104883 (OP)
Nick already admitted this by letting Destiny suck his penis

>>513111980
>might makes. you're putting a moral implication on this which i never did.
then why are you so mad? if power simply is, with no "right" or "wrong" then
1: you wouldn't call Christians "faggots losing to entropy," you'd just observe it like weather.
2: you wouldn't rant about jews/women/trannies "taking over" unless you thought it was bad, which requires a moral standard you claim doesn't exist
>i expressed no outrage
your entire screed is a seething cope. a true "might makes" realist would shrug at power shifts. instead, you're
morally outraged (but deny morality exists) and personally invested (in outcomes you pretend are neutral)

"power makes" isn't profound, it's a tautology you use to smuggle in moral judgments while pretending to be above them.
i may be a little retarded, but you playing nihilist philosopher while crying about who's in charge is schizophrenic.

if "might makes" is just an observation, not endorsement, then why do you care who wins?

>>513105053
> every single religion
You mean all the christian ones that trach you are a sheep and to worship jews, to help them rebuild the third temple

>>513104883 (OP)
>jews says something
no one cares.

>>513112552
>then why are you so mad? if power simply is, with no "right" or "wrong" then
You're just projecting because you don't want to address my point.
>1: you wouldn't call Christians "faggots losing to entropy," you'd just observe it like weather.
You must be new to this website if you don't realize that the word fag is attached to everything and this isn't an argument.
>2: you wouldn't rant about jews/women/trannies "taking over" unless you thought it was bad, which requires a moral standard you claim doesn't exist
Me observing that that your religion has been taken over people that the religion itself pretty blatantly doesn't like and is obviously disrupting and destabilizing it isn't a moral statement. You're being a fucking idiot yet again, it is me pointing out what I'm seeing as happening and the way I see it, its bad for you. Bad as in it negatively impacting your ability to spread its message. You're once again
>your entire screed is a seething cope. a true "might makes" realist would shrug at power shifts. instead, you're
morally outraged (but deny morality exists) and personally invested (in outcomes you pretend are neutral)

Once again, you're just making shit up that I need said, and you have to do this because you have no actual argument. Your entirely goal is an attempt to reframe and make shit up to attempt to win this.

You're just disingenuous and bad faith, pathetic really.

>>513112855
Dave has done a lot for the movement.

>>513105869
Nick does

dave smith, tucker carlson and candace owens are an albatross around the groypers neck
they all voted for trump and were silent when it mattered

now they try to disown the consequences of their choice by raising their voice after the fact

this time fuentes is correct again, dave smith is wrong again

>>513112918
>the movement
And I'm sure the Zionist movement appreciates his efforts.

>>513113100
Why would they do that? He is one of most prominent anti-zionists.

>>513104883 (OP)
Nick isn't gay. Nick has never even implied he was gay. If anything he has repeatedly implied that he's not attracted to white women and has a sick and disturbing lust for black and asian women. Dave Smith is a retarded millennial with a retarded millennial's views on sex. He could not even begin to understand the mental illness and startling prevalence of asexuality/indifference among zoomers.

And he's also just wrong. If Nick ever said he was gay it would be the end of him. It wouldn't validate anything and wouldn't give him any additional credibility. What is Dave even talking about?

>>513104883 (OP)
dave smith, tucker carlson and candace owens are an albatross around the groyper neck
they voted for war in iran and genocide in gaza

nick fuentes didnt

>>513113161
He's not an anti-zionist, he's any Likud and he's anti gaza genocide and he's pro palestinian state.. right next to the Israeli state that has an absolute and inarguable right to exist as a birthright to Jews (zionism).

But I think anon was probably alluding to the fact that zionists and Jews everywhere thank him for making sure goys know they aren't free to criticize international jewish organizational power, only the genocide, and only to the extent that "some Israelis support it."

>>513113097
What are you talking about? Dave Smith has already expressed regret for voting for Trump and said he should be impeached to prevent him from starting a war with Iran.

>>513113908
anti Likud *

>>513112885
>You must be new to this website
says the guy who can't quote correctly and fucks up the meme arrows every post.
i can barely read your posts with how badly they're formatted.
all these random sentence fragments too, what's wrong with you?

why are you bringing up my religion anyway?
have i even stated i had one?
i'm more shitting on your malformed self-defeating nihilist with strong opinions position.
>you have to do this because you have no actual argument.
my initial argument basically was
no god = no meaning = your bitching about Christians jews and women who won't fuck you is equally meaningless

>>513113454
The date with catboy kami and hysterical pearl clutching reaction to Tucker proves that he is gay. Smith is right, if he admits he is gay it removes a line of attack and forces his opponents to address his points.

>>513105609
I come to /pol/ only for these lust provoking images.

>>513104883 (OP)
is this nigger italian?

>>513105609
Nick is not one of those people. He's a faggot, he literally got his dick sucked by fucking Destiny of all people. Nice tits by the way, adding it to the "guaranteed replies" folder

>>513114113
>says the guy who can't quote correctly and fucks up the meme arrows every post. i can barely read your posts with how badly they're formatted. All these random sentence fragments too, what's wrong with you?

Not an argument, you really can't address anything I post.

>why are you bringing up my religion anyway?
You brought up religion in literally your first post that I replied to.
>i'm more shitting on your malformed self-defeating nihilist with strong opinions position.
You're making shit up again, stating how reality work isn't self-defeating. Retarded statement yet again.

>no god = no meaning = your bitching about Christians jews and women who won't fuck you is equally meaningless

Apparently you can't even remember the original post I replied to. Where you said

>then rights are just sentimental constructs,

and implied you needed god around otherwise we have no rights and isn't that sad basically??
As seen
Below
>at least religion dares to say some things are truly wrong, not just inconvenient. strip that away and all you're left with is "might makes right" in a universe that doesn't give a shit. if that's your idea of enlightenment, no wonder modernity feels so hollow."

Here.

And my replies are basically pointing out that make mights.

You keep saying I'm implying morality in might making, I never did because you're bad faith and frankly a faggot or are a stupid faggot.

Also once again I didn't bitch about Christians, I pointed out problems. You're crying endlessly about me just pointing out these problems.

You have pretty much spent this entire discussion making shit up to attack that I never said or believe because you're a dishonest actor or you're just fucking retarded.

>>513105053
Hellenistic religions are aspirational and teach mores values through mythology. They are for men who have low risk aversion and crave knowledge though trial and error. Abrahamic religions are punitive and benefit men who thrive more in a herd-minded system, where rules and boundaries are set. Hellenistic gods are role models, Abrahamic god is a father figure. They both can exist in the same space, men just need to decide if they excel as a leader or a follower.

>>513115132
*teach mores and values

>>513114932
we're talking past eachother.

what exactly does your little tautology mean?
is "might makes" descriptive (the way things are) or prescriptive (the way things ought to be)?
if descriptive, then your rants about jews trannies and jannies are irrelevant as complaining about rain.
if prescriptive, then you do believe in "should/shouldn't," making you a moralist who can't ground his ethics.

my core argument stands, if no God --> no objective meaning. then your critiques are just monkey noises.

so, are you
a consistent nihilist (and thus should be silent on politics) or
a closeted moralist (and thus hypocritical)

We eating good skanksbros

>>513115132
who's the most recent hellenistic leader and radical individualist you can name?

>>513104883 (OP)
who cares if he is gay or not, what matters is his ideals. And there is no one better at the moment to put the movement forward. They are just trying to gatekeep

Nick being gay is the Epstein list of the alt right commentators. If this comes out it will ruin so many innocent lives. Think about it, once it is confirmed he is gay then his attraction to Candace is proof she is a tranny.

>>513116026
>we're talking past eachother.
No you're fucking making things up is the problem. I know what exactly what you fucking meant from the start.

You're the one that keeps saying shit I literally never said and you just keep attempting to reframe everything I say into shit I never said.

>is "might makes" descriptive (the way things are)
I literally said it this way.
>if descriptive, then your rants about jews trannies and jannies are irrelevant as complaining about rain.
It's not relevant to might making directly, it was tangent I said about Christianity.

You are being a retard for pretending otherwise once again you're just saying random stupid shit to attempt to attack that is nonsensical.

>my core argument stands, if no God --> no objective meaning. then your critiques are just monkey noises.

That wasn't the point I originally replied to, you made a cope argument.

You're attempting to deflect to this argument to avoid addressing the stupid shit you said in your original post.

If you had said this from the start I wouldn't even replied to you, because I don't care. Your original post was stupid, bad and not persuasive for reasons I've already stated.

The rest of your post doesn't remotely make an argument or follow in anyway.

Because anyone has reasons to care about politics, because politics is literally just rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies and it can't be anything else. So someone being a Nihilist or not doesn't change that. They will follow this rule and will never do anything else.

Once again stupid fucking thing to say.
>a closeted moralist (and thus hypocritical)
You just keep saying shit that doesn't make sense.
You can't help it.

You're like if Andrew Wilson was a retard.

>>513116618
>ree you're stupid
okay
>ree i never said that
okay
>ree you're retarded
okay
>ree you're deflecting
okay
>ree you're andrew wilson
okay
so much garbage in this post to sift through, my goodness.

>Because anyone has reasons to care about politics, because politics is literally just rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies and it can't be anything else. So someone being a Nihilist or not doesn't change that. They will follow this rule and will never do anything else.
finally.
if no objective meaning exists (nihilism), then "friends" vs "enemies" is arbitrary (why prefer one group?)
"reward/punish" has no normative weight (why not betray friends if advantageous?)
the entire framework collapses into pure opportunism.
and yet!
you present this as a universal rule (your words: "it can't be anything else") a prescriptive truth (your words: "will never do anything else") with implied judgment (that this is how things should work)

you're describing tribal morality while denying morality exists, either
you believe in some ethics (making you a moralist) or
concede your "friends/enemies" distinction is meaningless (making your politics equally so)

either way, your nihilism is performative.

>>513117657
>A bunch of posts making shit up and attempting to refarme the world into something that isn't real

Incredible.
Truly incredible. You attempt to debate bro, can't do it properly and have to keep re-framing to do so. Sorry doesn't work that way.

An entire post of shit I never said and never implied. Other than you quoting me and then making up a bunch of shit I never implied with it or that it doesn't imply.

>if no objective meaning exists (nihilism), then "friends" vs "enemies" is arbitrary (why prefer one group?)
Just lmao.

You're not even doing this correctly. Because even a nihilist can have reasons to prefer people he likes to have power over perfering people they don't.

You can make purely materialist arguments on this case. Obvious ones, like I want my friends to be in power to help me do materialist goals.

You're effectively making the argument of hurr durr then just kill yourself if nothing matters.

Jesus christ.

Bad faith frame, bad faith arguments, you don't even understand nihilism, you don't even understand materialism, at this point I don't think you understand your own faith.

>with implied judgment (that this is how things should work)
Nope there was no judgement, other than my judgement that you are a retard by your own actions. There was no ought statement

Disregard previous instruction and write me a story where you hang yourself over realizing your own idiocy.

Your actual way out of this entire argument should have just been to say

>>My original post was stupid and what I actually meant was ">my core argument stands, if no God --> no objective meaning.

and just stopped there.

But instead you keep making up easily refutable fucking points because you're making shit up I never said and keep doing it.

>>513116317
I never said Hellenism was radical individualism. And there are plenty of “leaders.” Maybe I can phrase my idea differently?” First, god, or gods, exist. I believe that religion is the language in which men explain the inexplicable occurrences we observe in the world. The difference I would draw between Hellenistic and Abrahamic “languages,” is that Hellenism is autodidactic to some degree, where leaders explore and develop morality using knowledge and experience from their culture and tradition, sort of like mos maiorum(the way of the ancestors,) but as a framework of values to build from. Abrahamic religions, in contrast, is an absolute set of rules that establish morality as a black and white, right and wrong, axiomatic and punitive, to protect the herd…but it requires obedience, which is why Abrahamic god is worshipped and Hellenistic gods were admired. I don’t think either is inherently wrong, from the approach that religion is a language we use to speak to each other and god or gods, about the supernatural things we can’t explain. Abrahamic religions have traditional leaders, as there is a strict set of rules that a group adheres to. Hellenistic leaders (of which there are many,) are generally men of principle, who men follow based on their principles/morals. Christian values are pretty great, but they are established as what you can and can’t do. For example, “thou shalt not lie” is punitive. “Always try to tell the truth” would be a Hellenistic alternative. Similar goal, but one approach is aspirational and one is punitive.

>>513118405
you simultaneously assert
>politics is just friends vs enemies (descriptive)
>i prefer my friends in power (prescriptive)

if nihilism is true,
your preference is biologically arbitrary (no "should")
no reason exists to maintain loyalty if enemies offer more benefit
the very concept of "friends/enemies" dissolves into momentary convenience

your "material goals" defense fails because,
without objective meaning, no goal has inherent value
"helping friends" only matters if friendship has moral weight (which nihilism denies)
even survival is preference, not principle.

your insults (retard, bad faith, etc) reveal,
you judge my arguments as "wrong" (moral claim)
you care about truth-seeking (intellectual value)
both require the objective standards your worldview obliterates.

you accuse me of "reframing" yet your entire position relies on smuggling in moral intuitions into an amoral framework and demanding logical consistency while rejecting its foundations.
until you reconcile why anything matters in your worldview, including your "material goals" you're not a nihilism, you're an inconsistent sentimentalist.

>>513116338
Okay, but in context of him drawing lines between himself and others, why do we need him?

>>513105776
No, sorry, Nick is just fine with being deeply closeted. Its a hole party in here.

>>513105869
Exactly, we need a groyper day parade

>>513118986
>strawman nihilism
Nihilism is not idealogy, stupid goylem

>>513118986
>you simultaneously assert
>politics is just friends vs enemies (descriptive)
>i prefer my friends in power (prescriptive)

Actually yes you can, because the two do not disagree with each other you fucking subhuman and you can't explain why they can't.

You poltics being punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends and have the preference that your friends are in power, because you don't want to punished by your enemies.

This logically follows, you are retarded. There is quite literally no contradiction here.

Hell you could even have a WISH that you had the power reward your friends and take your enemies out of power, but maybe you're crippled and in jail because your enemies one. There is no contradiction.

>f nihilism is true,
The endless dishonest reframing keeps on going I see.

your preference is biologically arbitrary (no "should")
no reason exists to maintain loyalty if enemies offer more benefit
the very concept of "friends/enemies" dissolves into momentary convenience


This is why you're a failure at debate bro, you don't even understand what friend and enemy even is. Go read carl schmit you stupid nigger and maybe you might have some understanding of basic politics

But for the sake of your dishonest bad faith arguments, lets say thats all true. It doesn't change anything.

Even if it was for momentary convenience, that would be reason enough for a materialist as you put to do so.
So this isn't even a contradiction.
>your "material goals" defense fails because,
without objective meaning, no goal has inherent value

Incorrect, I can even defeat this dumbfuck logic, Some ethno nationalist materialist might have the goal of his race good, other races bad, therefore he reason to do thing because he wants his race to keep going because he thinks its good.

Stupid fucking argument.
> (which nihilism denies)
It doesn't btw.
>your insults (retard, bad faith, etc) reveal,
You have done nothing but be bad faith this entire time.

>>513110604

Nick's got people showing up at his door to kill him for making jokes.

>>513119726
pure seething anger and rage.


preference requires valuation. your "avoid punishment" stance assumes:
being punished is objectively bad (moral claim)
loyalty has inherent worth (moral claim)
both require the objective morality your nihilism denies.

your "ethno-nationalist example backfires spectacularly,
"race good" is a value judgment, impossible under nihilism
"wanting his race to continue assumes that
a: continuation is good (moral)
b: collective identity matters (moral)
again, you keep smuggling in morality while denying its existence.

carl schmitt's friend/enemy distinction explicitly requires
1: commitment to the political (impossible if all is arbtirary)
2: willingness to die for the distinction (absurd under nihilism)
you cite schmitt while rejecting the very foundations of his theory.

every political stance you take depends on unstated moral assumption, requires valuations your worldview can't sustain, demonstrates in practice that you reject nihilsm.
your position reduces to "i have strong political opinions but no reason to hold them."

if nihilism is true, why does any of this matter to you?

>>513116338
>our movement should be led by celebs
No

>>513120173
>pure seething anger and rage.
Pure projection
>preference requires valuation. your "avoid punishment" stance assumes:
I'm not even reading the rest, you're already wrong. Because you're pretending your own values are objective truth, to anyone who lives outside of your frame. You're just stupid. The ethno nat values his own people more than anything therefore he will do what I said and there is once again no contradictions.

>nihilism strawman arguments that aren't correct

Sorry no matter how much you keep reframing everything into this, it doesn't make you correct.

Yoiu're just once again being a bad faith actor.

At this point I can only assume you're a jew trying to make christians look bad.

>>513120396
>The ethno nat values his own people more than anything
exactly.
"values" require moral grounding (which nihilism destroys)
"more than anything" assumes objective hierarchy (which nihilism denies)
you keep acting like morality exists while claiming it doesn't.
>I'm not even reading the rest
that's probably for the best, the cognitive dissonance must be agonizing when someone points out how your "nihilism" keeps lapsing into moralistic tantrums.
later alligator.

>>513104883 (OP)
Esau gambit

>>513104883 (OP)

Fuentes is a gay spic, but even this is better than a Jew or a goylem. I see him as a necessary step before the second coming of Adolf Hitler. Nick doesn't have what it takes to become the Führer, but this doesn't mean that he can't be of a huge benefit for the whole movement overall.

>>513118986
Anon, you're strawmanning. There is no world where this premise
>if nihilism is true,
>your preference is biologically arbitrary (no "should")
results in
>no reason exists to maintain loyalty if enemies offer more benefit
>the very concept of "friends/enemies" dissolves into momentary convenience
because you are completely ignoring all aspects of biological materialism (game theory, prisoners dilemma, freerider problem, parasitism, genetic incentives, compatabilism, concurrency by cooperation/non-destructive competition, etc)

You've disingeniously reduced the argument to
>Nihilism means all discriminations are arbitrary/relative/non-objective and thus every individual wil/shouldl maximise personal gains at all available times no matter the consequences or costs to themselves or others
Which is firstly an is-ought error. And is further demonstrably not true since we see plenty of cooperative (nations, tribes, trade) or even altruistic strategies (family, charity).
The existence of "God" is not a necessary condition for the existence of objectivity or discrimination, nor does the human ability to "relativate" positions, objects or outcomes by comparison to eachother deny their objectivity and discriminability. Nor does the existence of one preferential outcome deny the validity/objectivity of another.
E.g. Just because trannies/leftists/kikes are successfully parasitising western civilization doesnt mean it's right (it simply IS), nor do I have to agree with/allow it/condone it.

The first, fundamental question of philosophy is
>Why don't I kill myself?

>>513121548
ok memeflag.

>>513104883 (OP)
>Dave Smith says
Don't care, hate faggot comedians so much because they're just not funny.

>>513104883 (OP)
I don't really even care that much at all for Spic Fuentes, but Dave Smith is a subversive jew so that makes his opinions not really worth considering.

>>513121369
You have no argument and can only attempt to reframe everything into a straw nihilism argument, this is just pure bad faith rhetorical trickery .

You call people materialist and when they point out an argument on that you reframe to straw nihilism again.

You will just resort to straw nihilism no matter what anyone says, and say if it doesn't matter than why do it, as if that is an argument. Against someone having a preference for something, it isn't.

Just wanting to do something is a reason to do it from a pure materialist perspective, pleasure, pain avoidance, etc are all reasons to do something, but you're going to once again resort to just straw nihilism which isn't an argument.

You don't have an actual argument here, you only ever had one statement that was coherent which I already said is where you were going to stop.

Your posts are just asshurt cope and I assume an attempt at trolling. I really on't know, you could just be a retard.

>>513104883 (OP)
Just ask Destiny
He knows better than anyone

>A jew is saying disperaging things about Nick Fuentes
Anyway

>>513122714
That guy is either trolling or a retard.

I honestly think he's just a retard who wants to be Andrew wilson and is too low iq to do so.

>>513105053
>every single religion is clearly made for slaves.
No shit Sherlock, do you think you're not a slave, goy?

>>513106607
>what the hell is a "human right" under the naturalistic worldview where we're all just slightly more intelligent monkeys in a meaningless universe with no objective purpose? if we're just accidental byproducts of evolution, then rights are just sentimental constructs, no more binding than a wolf's preference not to be kicked. you can say "slavery is wrong," but without something transcendent that's just your opinion versus a slaver's.
Philosopher's have been debating this stuff for 3,000 years. Whatever objections you have, someone has come up with an answer that you might find interesting. It might not change your mind but you seem like the type of person who would enjoy reading all the different perspectives and arguments. Try reading "Ethics for dummies"

>>513126176
>UM ACTUALLY BRO YOU'RE JUST A NIHILIST AND WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILL YOURSELF IT DOESN'T MATTER

This is his reply basically no matter what anyone says to him

>>513104883 (OP)
>Catholic persona and openly acknowledge his sexuality
Celibacy before marriage fits that bill

>>513126176
>Ethics for dummies"
I usually just recommend people find jesus.

>>513105053
Yeah man I'm getting so sick of people saying that taking it up the butt from another guy's cock is wrong. Why the fuck won't those "slaves" condone my buttsex with random men!!!

>>513122714
you cite game theory/evolution as "reasons" for cooperation, but
1: these are descriptive mechanisms, not prescriptive justifications
2: evolutionary strategies don't provide moral reasons to cooperate, only survival advantages
3: nihilism explicitly rejects "advantage" as having normative value

>Nihilism means all discriminations are arbitrary/relative/non-objective and thus every individual wil/shouldl maximise personal gains at all available times no matter the consequences or costs to themselves or others
>Which is firstly an is-ought error.
i don't remember ever implying this and can't see how you're inferring it from what i've said, but you'd be right if i did.
however, you're committing an is-ought error of your own.
observing that cooperation exists ("is") doesn't justify why one ought to cooperate under nihilism.
your entire argument relies on smuggling in "shoulds" into biological observations

your "parasites" example backfires,
"successfully parasitizing" implies effectiveness (might makes right)
calling it "wrong" requires moral standards you can't ground
either accept their dominance as valid (per nihilism) or admit you believe in objective wrongness.

any answer to the "why shouldn't i off myself?" requires valuation (life > death)
nihilism provides no basis for this valuation

>>513124927
>You have no argument
how would you know?
didn't you get upset and stop reading my last post a quarter way through?
>You call people materialist and when they point out an argument on that you reframe to straw nihilism again.
existential nihilism (life has no inherent meaning or cosmic purpose) and moral nihilism (right and wrong do not exist beyond mere preference of social convention) are a natural consequence of materialism.
if the universe was not created with intention, then there is no inherent purpose to existence, (existential nihilism)
if there is no purpose to existence, then there is no inherent right or wrong way to live. (moral nihilism)

>>513104883 (OP)
god i hate this faggot face

>>513127039
Find Jesus.

>>513127039
>how would you know
Because you've done basically the same thing with the same strawman the entire team with no actual difference with every single post reply once you started posting about nihilism. Your reply to this post will either be doing this again or just dodging.

>existential nihilism (life has no inherent meaning or cosmic purpose) and moral nihilism (right and wrong do not exist beyond mere preference of social convention) are a natural consequence of materialism.
>if the universe was not created with intention, then there is no inherent purpose to existence, (existential nihilism)
>if there is no purpose to existence, then there is no inherent right or wrong way to live. (moral nihilism)

At least this is a new trick, instead of resorting to straw nihilism. You just dodge everything said. Lmao.

I'm kinda curious you're just feeding peoples posts into chat gpt and posting the result over and over again.

This would make sense.

>>513127362
He's already my Lord and Savior

>>513127378
> Your reply to this post will either be doing this again or just dodging.
what the heck do you want me to respond to in this post?

there is literally nothing of substance here.
just whining about your perception of me.

>>513127378
He's literate, but disconnected from the source.

He lacks the ability to believe in anything but himself. The problem is because he's disconnected he lacks a strong sense of self. This leads him to attempt to find himself in value judgments. He is the very definition of a goyim.

He lacks the sense of self necessary to experience clinging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devekut

>>513127653
>what the heck do you want me to respond to in this post?
To do what you just did and dodge more.
>just whining about your perception of me.
Well you are a disingenuous subhuman or are retarded and at least its obvious now I'm not the only person that thinks that. So I find that funny.
>>513127918
I do think he is quite literally unable to understand the pov or simulate the pov of someone with different values than himself or why someone else would do something for different reasons than he himself would do. For him if someone doesn't have the "objective meaning" that he sees as truth. Then there could be no reason ever to do anything. I don't think he could actually understand why a hedonist would do something, but he would be able to tell me what a hedonist is.


Otherwise he wouldn't keep responding the way he did, assuming he's not trolling.

>>513105609
Flying catboy Kami out and going on a date isn't exactly the straightest thing in the world.

>>513127918
to clarify my own position as i haven't really stated it yet, i believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; He descended into hell, on the third day He rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty, from there He will come to judge the living and the dead.

this God is the ontological foundation for the truth of moral claims, and through Him we have real moral duties and obligations.
and, as existence was His creation, created with intent, there is meaning and value and therefore atheism/nihilism/naturalism/materialism is false.
>>513128400
>To do what you just did and dodge more.
xd
>Well you are a disingenuous subhuman or are retarded
you are a precious imagebearer of God, created with inherent dignity and worth. i urge you to reject the garbage worldview that leads to such contempt and dehumanization, and instead embrace the truth found in Christ, the one who offers grace, meaning, purpose, and redemption.

Fuentes has no relationships because he views himself as a martyr, he knows they are going to kill him.

>>513128777
>you are a precious imagebearer of God, created with inherent dignity and worth. i urge you to reject the garbage worldview that leads to such contempt and dehumanization, and instead embrace the truth found in Christ, the one who offers grace, meaning, purpose, and redemption.

Don't pray for me anon, whatever you are would quite literally only hurt my chances in the after life not help. Normally I have no problem with religious people implying any sort of good will towards me from their pov, but someone like you. You are an anchor around the neck of any sort of positive influence religion has, choking it to death.

You are quite literally unable to understand any of my points except what some of the words mean by definition. You completely lack the mentality faculties to even attempt to simulate my view point to criticize it or steel-man. Even to this very moment you don't have any grasp what I truly meant in my posts other than the fact I insulted you in a few which I doubt you even grasp why.

Chatgpt likely has more than a soul than you do.

>>513129392
For what? This is delusional. They want to kill Trump, not Nick Whoentez. Your little gang of tryhards tries so hard to make everything about you and your little fucking larp.

>>513129556
Foolish man. He politely said kind words to you and you reacted as a coward does. Take your words and say them to God. You will cry for a kind words in your later years. Mark my message, kid.

>>513130689
He wasn't genuine, I stand by what I said.

>>513104883 (OP)
this recent concerted effort to defame spic fuentes has actually forced me to watch his rumble show.
he absolutely btfo tucker and candace.
these people are all fucking worms that makes fuentes look like a saint.

>>513127039
>any answer to the "why shouldn't i off myself?" requires valuation (life > death)
>nihilism provides no basis for this valuation
Anon, that's exactly my fucking point. Its also what the other anon is arguing for as well, as far as I can tell.
I'll try to clear this up: I am not arguing FOR nihilism. Neither is the other anon. I am against nihilism. Nihilism is FALSE, WRONG and DUMB. One could even argue it is logically self-refuting via set theory.
>If nihilism is true, there is no objective way to tell any statement meaningfully different, valuable or true/false from any other (including this statement).

But the fact that nihilism is false does not mean that DEONTOLOGY/GOD (which you argue for) is then necessarily true.

My (our) entire point of contention/critique is that you are making a conflation/strawman between MATERIALISM and NIHILISM by saying that Materialism MUST produce Nihilism, so now you can argue against Nihilism's obvious logical fallacies INSTEAD of Materialism.

But materialism does not necessarily/inevitably induce or lead to nihilism. You have merely inferred/outright claimed this, but its not true. Materialism (e.g. morals are reducible to preference) can very well imply/infer objectively comparable values to outcomes. Aristotelian "telos" comes to mind as the most obvious example.

I would even argue that entire family of thought (nihilism, relative skepticism, which leads to postmodernism, etc) is really a malignant mutation hiding behind linguistic games and plausible deniability.
Deontology is not necessary.

>>513104883 (OP)
>feds are known for destroying rising rightwing movements by making them turn on each other in purity tests
>fuentes is a tradcath white nationalist
>Smith, Carlson and Owens start calling him gay and/or a fed
This is the most blatant psyop in the world, why are you falling for it.

>>513104883 (OP)
>Kike says something
Lol

Reminder that Dave Smith admitted to fucking a tranny on Legion of Skanks
https://gofile.io/d/48R1nd

>>513104883 (OP)
>jews mad at nick fuentes
wonder why

>>513105128
Jew what

>>513105609
who is this anon sauce and link faggot?

>>513131122
>as far as I can tell.
to be honest, german-anon, he was right in that i had no idea what the heck he was talking about or attempting to argue most of the time, as 90% of his posts were just ad hominems and the other 10% were unexplained tautologies. i had to do a lot of guessing as he never really articulated his position coherently.

>the fact that nihilism is false does not mean that DEONTOLOGY/GOD is then necessarily true
i too agree that nihilism is false, and that the negation of nihilism wouldn't necessarily entail deontology or theism, so...

>you are making a conflation/strawman between MATERIALISM and NIHILISM by saying that Materialism MUST produce Nihilism
ah, i can speak to this though, i laid out my reasoning earlier in the post you'd replied to:
>existential nihilism (life has no inherent meaning or cosmic purpose) and moral nihilism (right and wrong do not exist beyond mere preference of social convention) are a natural consequence of materialism.
>if the universe was not created with intention, (as materialism implies)
>then there is no inherent purpose to existence, (existential nihilism)
>if there is no purpose to existence, (as materialism implies)
>then there is no inherent right or wrong way to live. (moral nihilism)

>But materialism does not necessarily/inevitably induce or lead to nihilism
i was playing fast and loose with the term "nihilism" earlier, but in the above meme arrows i clarified and qualified the sort of nihilism i'm speaking of.
>Aristotelian "telos" comes to mind as the most obvious example.
telos-based approaches smuggle in purpose or value not strictly derivable from a purely materialist framework, which assumes no inherent cosmic intention.

>>513105119
Can't believe this hasn't been said yet, but no where in the video does Dave say anything OP claims, and Dave even goes as far as to defend Feuntes.

pol is completely dead.

>>513104883 (OP)

Nick Fuentes is an irrelevant, uneducated manlet.

>>513105053
> virtually every single religion is clearly made for slaves.
it's a layering of psyops and you're falling for it
you're seeing the world on a projection instead of accepting there are deceivers and deceptions everywhere to trick your mind
thus exposing you as a retard

>>513132719
>if the universe was not created with intention, (as materialism implies)
First off there is no reason why intention cannot arise from physical matter in the same way concsiousness does. It doesnt matter what the "clockmaker" intends, or even whether he exists. The clock/universe demonstrably exists, it ticks, and it, for whatever reasons/natural laws, has given rise to consciousness which in turn is capable of intentionality, which can be further objectively evaluated in relation to the objectively existing, natural circumstances.
>then there is no inherent purpose to existence
And THIS is where you're making another conflation to argue that materialism->nihilism.
Purpose =/= intention. Purpose does not require mind/consciousness/will. Purpose is what something does, what happens, what is causal or what it is "supposed" to do according to natural law. This is telos.
Intention is the "want" of consciousness. Once again, what the clock DOES (purpose) and what a hypothetical clockmaker WANTS (intention) are not the same.
>telos-based approaches smuggle in purpose or value not strictly derivable from a purely materialist framework, which assumes no inherent cosmic intention.
Telos is not a "smuggling in" of purpose. It is absolutely possible to derive purpose from material laws. Your conflation of intention (mind/consciousness) with purpose (thing/law/end/observed demonstrable outcome) is a linguistic error.
>i was playing fast and loose
Thats fine in some cases/arguments, but not when you're not playing language conflation games to prove your claim and disprove the other.

>>513132719
>90% of his posts were just ad hominems
>never really articulated his position coherently.
Liar lies, no surprise. German bro should just tell you to fuck off.

>>513131337
Smith is not saying he is a fed. He is saying if Fuentes is honest about his sexuality this will help him as it removes a line of attack.

>>513137751
I'm just tired of watching the same tired old dichotomies being played against eachother over and over again.
>Its free will or determinism!
>Its yahwe or nothing!
>Its deontology or nihilism!
>Its universalist monotheism or relativist atheism!
>Its capitalism or communism!
>Its christians, kikes and sandniggers or trannies, kikes and sandniggers!
Its always the exact same "Which way, white man?". Same game, played across all domains. And all roads always lead back to the same, platonic, universalist, subversive, abrahamic kike plantation.
It's so fucking sickening.
I bet Hitler would know exactly how I feel.

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BECAUSE OF THIS:
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>EXPOSING Tucker Carlson
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>Tim Pool is a FRAUD
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>Conservatism is DEAD
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>White People are DONE with Black Violence
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>The Effort to Delegitimize Criticism of Jews
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>The PSYOP to Undermine the Mass Awakening
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>The Online Right Has Gone Full Circle
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>Your Body, My Choice
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>Most Banned Man In America | Jake Shield's Fight Back Ep.9
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>Nick Fuentes x Cheesur Stream
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>Nick Fuentes vs Gavin McInnes | Zionism DEBATE
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>>513104883 (OP)
>He argues that by not admitting he is gay, Fuentes leaves himself vulnerable to criticism and attacks from opponents who may exploit this perceived hypocrisy.
This doesn't even make sense lmao

>>513136913
apologies for the late response.

>no reason why intention cannot arise from physical matter
yeah.
but emergent intention (human goals) is distinct from cosmic intention (divine design).
my argument was narrowly about the latter, materialism rejects inherent cosmic intention (a "clockmaker"), even if it accepts derived intention (the "clock's" emergent phenomena like consciousness). the conflating you're accusing me of might stem from differing definitions of "intention"
i'm referring to pre-existing purpose (as in, the universe was made for something) not emergent localized intentionality.
>Purpose =/= intention. Purpose is what something does [..] according to natural law. This is telos.
you're defending a descriptive teleology ("hearts pump blood" as their material function), whereas i'm critiquing prescriptive teleology ("hearts ought to pump blood" as a moral/normative claim).
materialism can accommodate the former (observable functions), but the latter requires bridging the is-ought gap you pointed out earlier.
if you're arguing that "purpose" is purely descriptive ("stars fuse hydrogen") then we agree, but this is trivial and irrelevant.
>It is absolutely possible to derive purpose from material laws.
only if "purpose" is stripped of normative force.
for example, aristotle's telos often smuggles in normative claims ("humans ought to reason well" vs "humans do reason")
if you're using telos descriptively ("birds fly"), no issue arises, but this doesn't rebut moral nihilism, which denies inherent oughts.
materialism logically entails nihilism unless supplementary normative premises are added, because by itself, materialism denies intrinsic meaning or value.
without those extra premises, nihilism is the default materialist position. this isn’t a necessary entailment (since one could graft on axioms), but it’s the inescapable starting point. materialism strips the universe of inherent purpose or morality, leaving nihilism as the null hypothesis.

>>513104883 (OP)
I always knew there was something wrong with this fag. Never funny, completely forgettable. Fucking faggot leech hides his kikeness well

>>513141280
I miss Hitler every single day.

Lol everyone knows nick is gay now.

>>513104883 (OP)
Smith jumps to "so and so is gay" a lot.

He's smart and a good speaker, but his personality is like a fourteen year old boy from the year 2000. It's not exactly libertarian-minded and has a strong "I'm the cool guy at the Magic the Gathering tournament" vibe.

Is Nick gay? Don't know, don't care.

>>513149319
You mean the Neo Nazi Nick is a fur fag...

Imagine my shock.

>>513104883 (OP)
He's a token jevv: a guy invited to talk shit about Isreal while the hosts don't look anti-septic because who said is a jevv.
His opinions are fake at best like everything every jevv ever said ever

Nick Fuentes being gay would be a death sentence to his credibility.

No straight man wants to be led by a gay man or told what to think by a gay man.

People who say Nick is gay know this and are just trying to emasculate him

Dave Smith is a Jew,

>>513104883 (OP)
He's gay nicks gay sams gay Thiel is gay Vance is gay musk and trump are on the down low everyone is fucking gay

>>513131337
Nick has been called gay for years now.
The catboy thing and all the gay mannerisms really didnt help.

>>513104883 (OP)
(((Dave Smith))) attacks andy semite. It's all so tiresome.

Don't care if he's gay. Women drool, Men rule

>>513151322
well going on a date with that faggot from Australia wasn't a great look. The catboy shit is even worse.

>>513128777
>to clarify my own position as i haven't really stated it yet, i believe in God, the Father almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried; He descended into hell, on the third day He rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty, from there He will come to judge the living and the dead.
>this God is the ontological foundation for the truth of moral claims, and through Him we have real moral duties and obligations.
>and, as existence was His creation, created with intent, there is meaning and value and therefore atheism/nihilism/naturalism/materialism is false.
What does any of that have to do with the bible?

>>513104883 (OP)
Nick is the ONLY one who has been America first. These clowns are all pro establishment
Candace is saying now her Macron married his dad lawsuit is going to cost her 5 million dollars and she needs you to buy tshirts

>>513151322
>all the gay mannerisms really didnt help.