Thread 513116893

>>513116893 (OP)
This is the funniest cope to come from ukikes. Did you guys forget how to read?
>this does not include the missing ukranian soldiers
Kek

>>513118434
Thanks for the bump.

>>513118434
why are russian lives so disposable?

>>513116893 (OP)
nobody believes this. you don't believe this. unless you believe men can become women, then it makes total sense that you would believe this

>>513116893 (OP)
Net 0 infantry

So thoughtful to leave ziggers behind for the local wildlife

>>513118434

Report for mobilization Ivan

>>513116893 (OP)
>>513118875
Why some people do not believe the 14:1 experience? Russia/Soviet Union very often sustained far great casualties than an opponent and still won in the end. It's not out the realm of possibility? It's celebrated in Russia.

>>513118875
I believe it. And you always change the subject to trannies for some reason.

6 ungabungadodillion dead Russians

>>513116992
>>513118434
>>513118875
>>513119818
cope, seethe and dilate, troon

1 russian dies for 40 or so hohols

Scariest POV I've seen
https://youtu.be/MowWjVqhWaI?t=42

>>513118744
That's the Magyar Birbs logo, so not even the 14:1 experience but the 10,000:1 experience lmao

>>513116893 (OP)
14 meats in 1(one) cub

>>513116893 (OP)
>supposed 14:1 kill ratio
>still losing ground
Explain.

>>513119658
its the factory settings they default after they run out of oreshnik cope

>>513120447
"Quantity has a quality of its own"

>>513120447
they are that many + pmc's and guys from prison.They can send unlimited meatwaves the war is won based on economybecause you cant outlast russia.

this war is so fucking gay

>okay maybe we didn’t WIN but no one cared about puccian shitholes of Kiev and Odessa, Lyiv’vi is much better and p*ccia lost 4 million orcs and they’ll collapse in 2 years
kek I can already see it
The Final Cope

>>513120934
>just 2 more meatwaves
never change ziggers.

>>513120585
It's just sad that this has always been the Russian way. But they don't have the birthrates to support it anymore so their entire military model is collapsing.

>>513122343
no,they just hire south americans and assorted churkas with money,witch they can sustain because they sell oil to jeets and chinks.

>>513116893 (OP)
>meanwhile in reality

>>513122747
I don't think selling discounted oil to shitskins is as lucrative as you think it is.

>>513122343
why do you think Putin is begging NK for more soldiers and flying a million jeets in?

>>513122940
jeets make better Russians

>>513120168
>The side thats mostly in defense suffers more losses than the attacking side
I never get this cope

>>513119237
>>513119658
>>513120014
you people can pretend to be that stupid if you want, but all that happens is you look very stupid. you guys eating the shit from trump's arse hole won't win the war for the ukraine

>>513123144
cmon ,you are arguing in bad faith and you know it.yes russia win long term but you have to take into account how much more strain russian economy can sustain from just selling resources with these sanctions.

>>513123056
>the side has no air force, no artillery, no infantry, no drones, and loses ground every day is somehow taking less casualties
you have the brain of a nigger

>>513123056
>the side that's getting koteld' over and over again and is pounded with missiles, artillery, drones and airstrikes 24/7 suffers more losses
dunno seems more legit than claiming 6 gorillion ziggers dead but failing to collect any corpses for the trade

>>513123144
now you're talking about gay sex acts

>>513123258
>trump pulled that number out of his arse hole and it has no basis in reality
that isn't a bad faith argument, it's a simple statement of fact

>>513123403
it's a colourful metaphor for your believing 14:1. perhaps you have muddy dicks on the brain

>>513116893 (OP)
cool bird

>>513123522
now you're talking about brown dicks

>>513123316
>>513123398
You have no idea how war works

>>513123722
your country has lost every fucking war it fought since the beginning of the 20th century. if you think the ukraine is killing russians 14:1 i have a bridge to sell you

>>513123697
this is a funny way you have of coping with the ukraine losing

>>513124043
My country (Federal republic of Germany) has never lost a war.
Your country either lost Vietnam or since youre probably a chink cant even take Taiwan.
14:1 is obviously a cringy fake number but its like 3:1 or something id say

>>513123722
>Y-You have no idea how war works
lmao, you are a legit retard aren't you

>>513123422
yeah it is exaggrated ig but its still at least 5:1 witch is not good considering ukraine destroyed a lot of oil platns and ifrstructure in russia meanwhile putin just bombs blocks and shops and now and then some important infrastructure like roads plant or factories but it is rarely compared to the pace that ukraine is doing it.Its a stalemate because the armies are kinda equal in cappacities .

>>513124275
Traumatic experiences from soldiers are not casualty numbers

>>513124261
3:1 in russia's favour. trenches are great, but when your enemy has a massive fire-power overmatch like 10:1 minimum in artillery, 10 or so daily bombing sorties that go completely unanswered, total drone and missile dominance. the idea that the ukraine is achieving a favourable ratio is a fantasy

>>513124424
5:1 in russian favour
see >>513124633

>>513124553
and you have access to total and perfect information regarding casualties from both sides?

>>513124633
Drone dominance is a fantasy
Missile dominance is not relevant for the front.
Air and Artillery are true but its not like you imagine them just chugging that shit at each other and whoever has less suffers more casualties.
The war is static because both sides suffer sustainable casualties and they know that. Contrary to what people believe both sides are not stupid and roughly know the actual casualty numbers. If Ukraine had suffered unsustainable numbers they would have retreated more. If Russia did they would have changed strategies. Russia can live with more casualties than Ukraine so yeah the number is like 3:1 in Ukraines favour.
Why do you think the war has been semi static for years now?

>>513124553
>Traumatic experiences from soldiers are not casualty numbers
go on tell us how they didn't suffer any losses during a disastrous retreat under artillery fire
you're the expert on war apparently

>>513124146
I'm just noting that you keep talking about trannies, gay sex, and brown dicks. Why do you do that?

>>513125278
>didn't suffer any losses
I didnt say that. And probably in the whole Kursk operation there wasnt this 3:1 ratio.
But in general there most likely is

>>513125029
cope.
cope and seethe.
cope seethe and dilate.
you are either colossally stupid, or pretending to be. you should know that pretending to be stupid doesn't win the war for the ukraine

>>513125509
>most likely
so you're admitting that you just pull numbers out of your arse hole
>>513125308
could you repeat that for me please?

>>513125029
Sanest poster ITT. Historically, throughout all of human history, the attacker always takes more casualties than the defender. In the military this is known as science, which is why you're trained to only attack if you outnumber the enemy 3:1. (I served 12 years as an Infantry ZOGbot.)

The fact that half these posters completely ignore the truth of armed conflict in favor of "MUH RUSSIA STRONK" is telling that you aren't interested in facts, but more of a "my WWE guy is winning!"

Russia is taking more casualties, but they have more men. Attrition is at a stable rate or we would see major collapse one way or the other. It's a slow grind with little progress being made for an exchange of disproportionate casualties. Both sides can keep this up for years. Any other assesment of the situation isn't grounded in fact but instead propaganda.

>>513127947
you're a fucking moron. history is replete with examples of smaller forces absolutely trouncing larger ones on the offensive

>>513124424
if it is at least 5 to 1, why did a recent body exchange between Russia and Ukraine netted 6000 hohols for just 78 Russians? that is almost 1 to 100 in favor of Russia.

>>513128118
>disregards historical science of warfare, shares no examples
You mean like Thermopylae? Idiot.

>>513127947
>Historically, throughout all of human history, the attacker always takes more casualties than the defender.
No it doesnt. You have Iraq war 1 and 2, Israel offensive on Gaza, the Iran Iraq war, Chinese Vietnam war, Israel Lebanon war.... This just post WW2 and out of my head, if you go pre WW2 there are hundreds if not thousands of colonials wars were the attacker took less casualties.
>In the military this is known as science
I FRICKIN LOVE SCIENCE

>>513128666
Here's the science:
https://dupuyinstitute.org/2019/11/14/the-source-of-the-u-s-army-three-to-one-rule/

>>513128118
>history is replete with examples of smaller forces absolutely trouncing larger ones on the offensive
Ukraine is a good example.

>>513128212
Because Russia doesn't want their dead back as it costs them money.

>>513128219
See>>513128666
Cambodian Vietnam war, Falklands war, Russian Georgian war.....
pre ww2 you have numerous British wars against Indian principalities, you have numerous Portuguese wars against Indian principalities and islamic sultanates in the area, the opium wars, Spanish and Portuguese invasions of America, most notably the invasion of the Inca and Aztec empire....

>>513128666
>>513129139
All of these examples have significant technological advantages, such as firearms vs bows and arrows. I'm citing modern warefare doctrine from the 20th century in writing, you're citing one sided wars between primitives and advanced forces. Ukraine and Russia have roughly the same equipment standing. Again, here's the science:
>>513128734

>>513122839
Yeah when you are the one advancing you get to collect bodies.
What a shocker.

>>513116893 (OP)
I hope that poor hawk doesn't get lead poisoning from the ziggers body

>>513116893 (OP)
These troon threads always leave me to ask what happened to NAFO?

>>513128219
you are a fucking clown. if you served in the military you were good only for digging latrines
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaugamela
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Leuthen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_%C3%89ben-%C3%89mael
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hannut
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
this list is not even comprehensive you fat cunt

>>513128757
you're right. for the majority of the war the ukraine outnumbered russia in terms of fighting men on the front, and they've been getting trounced the whole time

>>513128734
>The actual statement in that publication is that “Historical experience has shown that a defender has approximately a 50-50 probability of successfully defeating an attacking force approximately three times his equivalent strength.”
It mentions strength, fucking retard, not casualtie numbers. It means the attacker should have a 3 to 1 ratio in strength to assault a fortified position. In WW2 a tiger tank offered much more strength than a squad of soldiers...
>>513128853
This is literally cope because it was the hohols who didn't want to excahnge bodies.
Again, why 6060 for 78 Russians only? almost 100 to 1 ratio in body exchanges?

>>513129357
surely if they're slaughtering russians 14:1 they should be able to pick up a few. or maybe they would simply not be losing ground. if you're so confident they're winning then you should sign up here
https://www.ildu.com.ua/
lucky for you they still take untrained trench meat

>>513129419
3 of your examples prove my point about casualties being greater on the attacking side. The others are from antiquity and don't involve firearms so don't count in modern doctrine. You can win while taking more casualties as the attacker, see the entire Korean war. But you will still take more casualties than the defenders.

>>513129357
so ya just said hohols are losing and russia is advancing?
sounds like kremlin propaganda to me

>>513129600
>you're right
thank you
>>513129704
>Again, why 6060 for 78 Russians only? almost 100 to 1 ratio in body exchanges?
because Russia doesn't want its dead back

>>513129704
his nigger brain is full of fat. he will never understand

>>513129704
Why do you think the attackers should outnumber the defenders 3 to 1? Why is the success 50/50 if you outnumber them 3 to 1? Use that pea sized brain of yours, for once.

>>513129348
>All of these examples have significant technological advantages
So it is not just about attacker taking more casualties than the defender? Do you admit you are wrong?
> I'm citing modern warefare doctrine from the 20th century in writing
All my wars happened in the late 20th century and 21th century, retard.
>Ukraine and Russia have roughly the same equipment standing.
No they don't, Russia has a massive advantage in artillery, a complete advantage in ballistic missiles, a massvie advantage in long range drones, a massive advantage in air power, a increasingly bigger advantage in fpv drones....
>Again, here's the science:
I HECKIN LOVE SCIENCE
And read your own link, tranny

>>513129913
You clearly don't understand Russian deep battle doctrine. Russia can be on the attack and take fewer casualties.

>>513129982
I'm glad we see in agreement that the ukraine outnumbered russia for most of the war, and the ukraine has also been losing for the whole of the war. it's rare to have someone on the internet change their mind with a simple statement of fact. you're a very reasonable person. how much territory do you think the ukraine will be forced to concede beyond the 4 oblasts once their military completely collapses under the lopsided weight of casualties inflicted by russian fire-power dominance?

>>513130212
You don't even know what "deep battle" means.

>>513130365
tl;dr

>>513116893 (OP)
I always find it funny imagining the tens of thousands of drone gore comps of Russians there are and whispering to them that Russia is holding back and could totally overwhelm every axis of attack before they turn into someone’s gore fetish.

>the ukraine
>the
dead giveaway, why are you even trying

>>513130374
The Russians find a weak point in the frontline and then concentrate their attack there. They're the only modern army that can do this, this is why uraine is loosing.

>>513130027
Read your own link, nigger retard. It never says you need to have a 3 to 1 manpower advantage, but 3 to 1 stregth advantage. Like i told you, in WW2 a Tiger tank offered much more stregth than a squad of soldiers, despite the squad being 9-12 men and the tank only crewed by 4 people.
Read the link you gave on your next dilation session

>>513130544
Well it is more region than real actual country.

>>513130570
>RUSSIA STRONK
Argument based in propaganda, not fact

>>513130425
nigger

>>513116893 (OP)
I thought that was a chicken at first and was like: how'd they get a chicken all the way out there?. What brilliantly bizarre propaganda to use a chicken. I was almost impressed.

'Nother missed opportunity.

>>513130668
Russia is stronger than USA - Fact.

>>513130544
why are you so mad klaus?

>>513130548
No that's not what it means lmao. I knew you didn't know.
>>513130816
no u

>>513123056
modern war it's who's side can shoot more. if you are the attacker you can chose where attack and bring more guys than the defenders

>>513130668
I accept your concession.

>>513130993
>doesn't understand the meaning of "strength"
>"This means I WIN!"
Whatever you say nigger

>>513130888
It is part of deep battle doctrine. Fact is Russia has the best doctrine, USA lose every war when Russia wins every war. Air superiority is unnecessary, Russian army know this.

>>513129913
>the attacker always takes more casualties
you said this. you said it here in fact
>>513127947
meanwhile i never mentioned casualties. only that it was possible for a smaller force to trounce a larger one on the offensive, and in gang of my cited examples they did so with less casualties. you are a nigger

>>513129965
Fist of all both sides report Russian advances.
Second of all Napoleon also was advancing and yet returned home defeated.

>>513130548
>russia is the only country capable of sending 5 dude squads on a suicide missions to probe enemy defenses

I hope you're actually trolling with praising zigger tactics

>>513131146
lmao. you're a funny chink

>>513131292
The entire discussion is on who is taking more casualties you disingenuous nigger

>>513129864
Since we are in the realm of speculation.
Maybe ukrainianse arent advancing because they are more carefull and there fore losing less manpower.

>>513131463
>>513131476
The Russian army is the best trained in the world. They're tactics are unmatched and even praised by NATO general. NATO are scared of Russia.

>>513120014
Ukraine is the one fighting for trans rights dip shit

>>513131423
first of all it's kremlin propaganda cause hohols never lose
second when you kill 14 times more you would be able to collect twice as much bodies than your enemy \not 50 times less

>>513131673
>They're tactics
It's "their tactics"
>praised by NATO general
It's "praised by NATO generals" or "a NATO general"
>NATO are scared of Russia.
It's "NATO is scared of Russia."

>>513131849
You cannot defeat my argument so you attack my grammar. I only learn English for 5 years so fuck to your face.

>>513131556
and you said attacker always does. i showed you that this is not true

>>513131980
>I only learn English for 5 years so fuck to your face.
lmao

>>513131841
You arent stating anything factually true and arent adressing anything i have said. You are just a bad faith retard like a zigger that you are.

>>513131621
maybe they no longer have the manpower in quality or quantity for effective offensive actions. seems much more likely

>>513132086
Your examples literally proved it true, they won but took more casualties. Go read your links, dumbass.

>>513129348
>I'm citing modern warefare doctrine from the 20th century in writing
And there are several more from the same war

>>513132098
You won't be laughing when Russia take over USA.

>>513132450
It's "takes over"

>>513132245
From what i read ukrainian military actually outnumbers russian military again at this moment in Ukraine.

>>513132111
yeah i was talking about previous exchange didn't knew numbers were updated
correct ones are 6060 ukranian bodies versus 78 russian bodies
makes it not 50 times more but 77 times more bodies of dead hohols than russians
factual numbers by BBC

>>513132502
Hay. You go fuck yourself in the face you motherfucker. Your mad because Russia is defeat USA in uraine.

>>513132675
I already adressed this you stupid zigger. It doesnt matter what is the body count is. When only one side is advancing. Get it through your thick zigger scull.

>>513132957
Russia is win war against all of NATO. We are take less casualty on the attack because of superior firepower and tactics.

>>513132352
3 of the examples i cited showed the attacker taking marginally more casualties. the other 3 the attacker took less than the defender. you have the brain of a nigger

>>513132514
you're reading bullshit

>>513119237
Because given how often you retards spam goreporn if you had such a discrepancy in losses you’d undoubtedly be posting videos to prove it. But you don’t, you just repeat lines given to you by the uaf and act like they’re the truth. That, and the mathematics behind your numbers just not adding up

>>513132957
you are saying nonesense and kremlin propaganda as a zigger would do
russia can't advance as hohols never lose
get it trough your thick zigger skull

>>513133257
>Russia is win war against all of NATO.
Cope seethe dilate.

>>513125308
It’s what nato stands for

>>513118744
>BLYAAAAT THE CAGES DO NOTHING!!

>>513133521
It is true and uranie is on tranny side. They fight for trans rights, after the war they will force trannys in school

>>513116893 (OP)
If russians are the ones sending meatwaves why are ukies being grabbed off the streets while russians only take volunteers?
But none of you fucks actually give a flying fuck about ukies,as long as a single russian dies you don't care if all 40 million hohols die

>>513130544
What’s wrong with calling it the ukraine? That’s what it was for centuries prior to a little jew trying to rename the entire country

>>513134109
Zeleneky is jew who tires to rename country. Well I now call it uraine, heh zelen-jew wouldn't like that.