Thread 513118382

Will Trump reverse this trend?

>>513118382 (OP)
Nobody will even be driving in cars for purely transportation purposes in 10 years.

You mean a forced shift to EVs? Yeah, I'm good.

>>513118382 (OP)
Fix with twin turbo v6s???????

>>513118382 (OP)
No. Elon hurt his feelings so now he's going to triple down on fossil fuels out of spite.

>>513118382 (OP)
>driving battery
Yeah, no thanks.

>>513118599
I'm in the market for a new car and EVs aren't even an option for me. Not a chance, thanks.
My electric costs are already just decided arbitrarily by the electric company.
At least gasoline costs are set by logical market forces.

>>513118599
Lmao right?
>can’t start in 10 degree weather

Guarantee the whole world BANS ev’s soon. If ANYONE actually used them they could end up dead, and when it happens they will ironically be banned.

>>513118382 (OP)
>Will Trump build tens of thousands of charging stations in the middle of nowhere to facilitate the shit range of EVs and the large size of America?
No

>>513118631
good

>>513118382 (OP)
>Will Trump reverse this trend?
Tesla, lucid and Rivian are all American. Plus Ford and GM have been making electric cars for a while now. They are leading the shift, are they not?

>>513118631
There is that plus the fact that all the affordable EVs made in China and elsewhere have huge tariffs on them. Price is what controls the market the most and if people can’t afford an EV then they won’t buy one.

>>513118382 (OP)
No, these affordable EVs hurt White fees fees at home and your overlords want you living in company towns using company bux in order to "fix" the inflation, so no need for driving much less high-speed rail, cattle.

>>513118754
The new sodium cells supposedly handle cold weather better and are less likely to spontaneously combust.

>>513118382 (OP)
>EV's
They have their place, like warehouse equipment, Ebikes, E-scooters, fleet cars, etc. They just aren't that suitable for long range travel, multiple passengers, etc.

Unironically there was a truck maker in Canada that was doing neat shit with diesel generator hybrid trucks, but the government cucked them out and told them there's no legislation for what they're trying to do so they cant do it anymore.

>>513118850
Overpriced and less efficient too.

>>513119047
>American propaganda

Who cares?

Ford just released an 800hp mustang that has a sub 7 minute lap on the Nuremberg. It's faster than a porchse

>>513118382 (OP)
At least Tesla is leading the pack. Europeans are the ones who are in real trouble. Chinese EVs will kill the lower segment cars like Renault, Peugeot and Fiat with ease. Mercedes BMW and Audi at least have brand value but their EV cars are not where they should be. I particularly dislike Mercedes' EV design. Volkswagen EVs are also terrible.

>>513119184
>mUh pRoPaGanDa
Go ahead and provide an actual argument for what I said then, all of it is true.

>>513118382 (OP)
>Will Trump reverse this trend?

Damn I hope not

>>513119184
read up on physics, bugman ev shill

>>513119297
chinese evs are designed by european designers anyways

>>513118382 (OP)
EVs are a disaster for the working class. Cars are already a depreciating asset, no one ever does the fucking math. You can go on KBB and check the values. Mess around with years and mileage, simulate what the price will be when you go to sell your used car.

>a typically priced (20-30k) gas vehicle will devalue at 2-3k per year if driven the average 10k miles per year.
>the cheapest hybrids will devalue 4-5k
>PHEVs 5-7k
>EVs a whopping 8-12k

You have no retained value, you completely lose your resale or trade-in value when you go to purchase a new car, which is necessary these days because cars start breaking at 3 years old these days. The system just fucks and fucks and fucks us, but the stupid ones will get fucked harder. Let them do the dumb thing so less of us are forced to. I'm gonna buy a car for the frame and swap the engine every time it reaches the end of its life. Not gonna be a victim of this late stage capitalism system.

>>513118382 (OP)
People who need a vehicle most of all, need a fuel driven car.
Urbanfags and most suburbanfags who barely need a vehicle anyway, most could indeed function with an electric moped or something roughtly between golf cart and subcompact to buzz buzz between work and their pod.

It's those stupid niggers in the latter group that fail to realize everyone else isn't that are the problem.
Like this faggot:
>>513119184

>>513119437
The biggest problem is they use sub-par materials that can't pass our safety regulations, the second problem is they also tend to use sub-par batteries/controllers, so they're wildly susceptible to cooking themselves off.

>>513119590
batteries are bottlenecked due to national security reasons I bet.
Imagine if every single asshole with a quadcopter and a grenade had 3 times the juice

>>513118382 (OP)
What trend? The ev scam is dead everywhere but china and its only a thing there because the government spent hundreds of billions of dollars to be an ev powerhouse only for the us and eu to slap tarriffs on them or ban them outright. For evs to take over would require a massive expansion of the energy grid and huge infrastructure investments.

>>513119475
On the bright side you can buy a 2 year used Tesla for 16k less than the original victim paid for it. If you believe the current EV manufacturer shill that "EV batteries last 200k miles" HA! Yeah you'll be at 10% of your original charge by then. I want to like EVs, insane power with no Saudi Jew gas cost? That sounds great, but to go broke for one and constantly be having to swap cars that are like appliances, no fucking way. I don't like how they just stop instead of coast when you let off the gas too, retard Teslafags keep doing that in front of me and almost causing crashes. They need to regulate that the brake lights come on when they release the accelerator.

>>513118382 (OP)
That's a good thing actually

>>513119437
by germans, not europeans

>>513119740
>I want to like EVs, insane power with no Saudi Jew gas cost? That sounds great, but

When I heard the big Japanese companies decided to move away from the 100% EV plan I immediately went to the echo chamber EV sites to laugh uproariously at these morons who think they know better than the gorillion dollar corporations that have been consistently kicking everyones ass for half a century. "Toyota is committing suicide!" they cry as old man Chrysler tries to buy the company back to stop this battery crap, GM and Ford build hundreds of thousands of vans nobody buys, and Tesla gets its lunch eaten by fucking phone companies.

>global shift
Alright, firstly EVs are a pipe dream and "environmentalists" don't realize how horrible the batteries are to manufacture and then eventually dispose of.
"Green" initiative aren't sustainable because the underlying issue is that humanity is consuming too much energy and resources anyway. There's isn't an energy source that's free, they all come with substantial problems that get much worse at the scale you need to satisfy our energy needs:

>>513118382 (OP)
No. Because American's drive over large distances and EVs are not suited for that.
EVs are perfect for urbanite 15-minute city cucks though

>>513119697
I hate EVs because the batteries are offensively inefficient
could you hook them up with powerlines it would safe 60% of the weight of the car or something silly

>>513119680
Can't have people getting funny little ideas like putting machineguns on pickups and fucking off to the countryside if you price them out of pickup trucks, make the remaining pickup trucks garbage, and replace them with short distance RC cars with extra steps.

As for battery tech there really just is only so much we can do within the constraints of our current understanding of materials and thermodynamics, I'm leaning away from the conspiracy idea that the government is holding back batteries, to the more realistic idea that barring radiologically hazardous materials, liquid fuels contain the most usable raw energy out of our current understanding.

>>513118382 (OP)
Because it's a deeper problem with US cars as a whole, everything is a giant bloated SUV or faggy pickup truck. Also since car manufacturers love making everything proprietary you can't get aftermarket batteries for most older EVs.
>>513119047
>Unironically there was a truck maker in Canada that was doing neat shit with diesel generator hybrid trucks,
I've seen that, it's basically how modern diesel locomotives work. Pretty neat stuff imo.
>>513118770
boomer cope
>>513119475
only good point, and a lot of it comes from not having a unified standard for batteries and being unable to use aftermarket ones.
>>513118947
Sodium-ion batteries are interesting too, they have less capacity but are much cheaper to make and don't catch fire as you said.

>>513119740
It's like all these retards look at all the other devices in their lives that they bitch about battery life while using, then completely forget that EV's just use scaled up versions of the same fucking slop.

>>513120225
could you transfer enough power via induction to run an EV if you get rid of the weight of the battery?

>>513120363
totally different due to weight and how gas is an alternative or a powercord in the other direction

>>513118947
>less likely to spontaneously combust
Im not buying a car that has any chance of spontaneously combusting. "Less likely" .... its still possible

>>513118382 (OP)
Reminder that genocide is a cheaper, easier and in the long term more ethical solution to all environmental problems than any of this bullshit tech some jew is trying to get government gibs for.
Give it 80 more years and maybe this shit will work as intended.

>>513120390
It works well enough for strictlty controlled short distance, medium density transportation like trams and subways, but the infrastructure would quickly become unreasonable to build and maintain once you start letting any retard hop on and off ot it wildly at will. Think of how much of a pain in the ass roads and other drivers are, and then factor in that all those stupid fucking monkeys are also trying wildly to hop around each othed with their cars ohysically connected to power lines.

>>513120627
>the west
>80 years

>>513118947
The sodium cells aren’t energy dense enough. Once they have the energy density of your typical LFP or NMC lithium ion battery they will become similarly dangerous. Lithium batteries are dangerous. I wouldn’t want one parked near my house.

>>513120338
>bloated SUV
SUVs aren't as big as you think they are.

>>513118382 (OP)
No. Americans don't want EVs in general but those that do want CHEAP EVs. Every EV will become $7,500 more expensive on October 1st thanks to Trump. Will Trump allow Chinese EVs to be sold in the US? No.

>>513120696
A regular ass SUV I was looking at weighs more than ton more than a full sized Benz from the 80s.

>>513120503
Problem is, gas cars can still catch fire too. Because, you know, that whole combustion cycle thing, and ICE cars still having electrical systems in them.

All things considered though, I'd rather have a fire in an ICE because it's going to be in the engine bay, or in the gas tank. In an EV the fire is going to be in the battery bank under the passenger compartment.

>>513120822
EVs are for fags

>>513119740
this too
>>513119697
> would require a massive expansion of the energy grid and huge infrastructure investments.
will come anyway due to the LLM scam
>>513120037
>dispose of
most batteries get recycled these days, literal non-issue
> is that humanity is consuming too much energy and resources anyway.
true, but try telling the people on this board that.
>>513120696
they still suck and have zero cargo room in comparison to a minivan, SUVs are the ultimate cuck car imo.

>>513118382 (OP)
Americans can't even keep their factories from blowing up
I'm surprised there's still food on the shelves half the time ngl

>>513118382 (OP)
No, he's not investing in enough energy infrastructure to support EVs

>>513120880
A street over from my house, someone had their house burn down because the Tesla combusted while being charged in the attached garage overnight. The fire spread from the garage. No thanks
Never heard of an ICE car spontaneously combusting in a garage and burning down a house.

I hope not, you slide posing faggot.

>>513120889
Fags are still men and men don't want to spend $50K+ on a vehicle. All those $100K+ SUVs are purchased by women.

>>513118382 (OP)
Yes. Trump and Musk are on it!

>>513121099
I have an Ebike and I only charge that where I can keep an eye on it, at work, right beside a fire extinguisher lmao.

People have burned to death in their sleep because they left their phones on their beds.

>>513120822
Subsidize all cars $7500 not just evs. Actually better not. I’m not buying a car made after 2011

>>513120931
You think every part of the battery is recycled and there's no waste?

>>513121579
>subsidize all cars $7,500
>the next day every car becomes 7,500 more expensive

>>513121882
>implying
Don't be silly, they'll go up far more than that.

>>513120931
>most batteries get recycled
Do you know what ths recycling process is?
>batteries get sent to third world
>they rip the batteries apart with crude tools
>good cells get moved on to a factory that uses them in remanufactured batteries
>the rest of the dead cells get thrown into a shredder and the inert lithium and battery casing shreds pulp gets dumped into a river
>the battery controller chips and wires get tossed in a burn pile

>>513118382 (OP)
I want manual, straight six diesel and rwd

>>513118603
>forced induction
gay ass ricer
Give me a big displacement NA v8 any day

>>513119437
Okay?
How does that pay the masses of people who work manufacturing cars in Europe?

>>513120931
>zero cargo room in comparison to a minivan
Depends on what youre looking for in a vehicle. If cargo capacity is all you care about, then yeah a van is good. I drive a SUV because I need more ground clearance and I drive on dirt roads often and they get shitty sometimes and in the snow often. It has enough cargo space. A minivan doesnt have the clearance or off road capabilities

>>513121342
I dont trust the stuff. Sticking with my gas guzzler.

Let the other nations figure out these mobile crematoriums and we will stick with gas we can get for ourselves and buy these other countries at discount.

>>513118382 (OP)
List all US/other EV companies that are "NOT" Bankrupt;
Tesla.
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>quick let's collapse the power grid

Looool

>>513123150
I see some rivians in my area. Dont know the company's financial health.

>>513122510
I guess gas is free for you.

>>513123150
Ford just surpassed Tesla in EV truck sales nd BYD just surpassed Tesla in overall EV sales in China. It's pretty fucking obvious that the reason Tesla is succeeding in American EV car sales is because every single Chinese car manufacturer is banned in the US.

>>513119740
>Be gas vehicle in rush hour traffic
>Swap foot between gas and brake pedals a thousand times
>Be Tesla driver
>Casually let tension off gas pedal while keeping foot and leg in the same non tense position the whole time
>Or just say fuck it and click self drive button
Lol. Lmao.

>>513118382 (OP)
The environmental consequences of this shift will be devastating.

>>513123501
It's pretty wild how quickly Tesla started falling behind, they were considered at least 5 years ahead of everyone else in the EV auto industry not too long ago.
Those H1B hires Elon loves so much really accelerated their decline, didn't they?

>>513123578
I use the auto vehicle hold if I am in bumper to bumper traffic or waiting at a long light. Then I can take my foot off the brake.

>>513123463
Rivian is doing very bad. Has been on the verge of bankruptcy for years. Filed for chapter 11 a couple times, iirc.

>>513123501
Tesla's money is made by selling carbon credits.
Their cars are meh-tier.

>>513118382 (OP)
>Will Trump reverse this trend?
very soon america will fall behind in every metric as Trump turns the all seeing eye upon the enemy within.

>>513121099
>muh anecdotes

The overall numbers say that EVs are much less likely to catch fire than combustion-powered vehicles: EVs are responsible for about 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold. Conventional internal-combustion vehicles have about 1,530 fires per 100,000 vehicle sold, while hybrids have 3,475 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold. So overall, an EV is 60 times less-likely to catch fire than a conventional gas vehicle, while a hybrid is over 2 times more-likely to catch fire. Source: BlazeStack 2023-2024 EV Fire Statistics (BlazeStack sells fire-scene investigation software).

https://www.blazestack.com/blog/how-many-ev-fires-in-2023-2024

>>513120363
>replace phone battery (yes it is possible retards)
>$30
>replace ebike battery
>$100
>replace EV battery
>$15,000-20,000

Yeah there's a big difference, this tech isn't viable when scaled up. We need to have a battery swap system like BYD has where you don't own the battery, the company takes care of it and it's easily swapped out in minutes. They likely pay a lot for that service though, but the average working class consumer cannot be fucked with the responsibility of owning these batteries. The cost is too prohibitive.

>>513118382 (OP)
There is no shift to EV, no one wants this bullshit.
It makes everything worse, more expensive and in no way ecological friendly or shit, it's just to demobilize the pleb.
Picrel is soft disclosure

>>513123972
They sold a shit ton of cars here because there is/was no competition. It's the opposite of free market capitalism. The carbon credits end September 30th btw.

>>513118382 (OP)
Yes
We need more cars that people can't afford to buy.

>>513123578
Your leg will be more fatigued not being able to let off the accelerator to coast when on long drives. It's something to get used to and up to preference, but I'm saying the brake light needs to come on regardless when they take their foot off the accelerator. They slow down way too quickly with no indication.

>>513118382 (OP)
All of the major car companies were investing in hydrogen engines before California passed the EV mandate. The smallest engines have hundreds of horsepower. It's just a matter of upgrading storage tanks at gas stations and installing the pumps.

>>513124093
germanon, was the EV a ccp psyop all along?

>>513124019
An anecdote is just a single data point. Theres a difference between "catch fire" and spontaneously combust. EVs are more likely to spontaneously combust. An ICE car might be more likely to catch fire in a bad car crash
Good try, EV shill

>>513122195
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGBqUM29vic

>>513123913
Thanks. The cars are expensive too. It seemed sketchy to me to buy a car from a brand new manufacturer that might go out of business in a few years and then youre stuck with the car with no dealer network for repairs etc. Especially an EV

>>513118603
Hell yeah borther

>>513124854
If you are willing to risk it you can find decent deals on defunct makers and models.

>>513124854
>>513125099
Forgot pic

>>513124760
>Believing its not the jews behind everybody and everything
NGMI
EV's go along with man-made climate change bullshit which is a jewish psyop to get people to pay premiums for everything and switch to EVs to demobilize the pleb.
You can't afford a house nowadays because of climate regulation bullshit which made it insanely expensive. You need to insulate, you are mandated nowadays to install a PV system for solar power and a fuckton more bullshit you're supposed to pay and do.

>>513125168
>i love the oil jew

>>513125499
Oil gives the middle east an outcome.
Take this outcome and we're gonna get even more rapefugees to europe

>>513118382 (OP)

.. most people are running away from their EV slop

>>513124055
>Yeah there's a big difference, this tech isn't viable when scaled up.
wrong, the problem is bullshit proprietary designs and the lack of aftermarket batteries.
>>513122195
More of a globalization problem of it being cheaper to ship it abroad and there being no demand for the waste domestically; you can bet your ass the moment someone tries to scale up battery recycling dometically there will be a horde of NGOs screeching about "But think of the heckin' Ghanans you're stealing their jobs!!!11!"
>>513121718
When done correctly most of the battery gets recovered.

>>513118770
BYD had to build their own RORO cargo ships because more and more shipping companies refuse to transport EVs because they keep spontaneously combusting and burning down ships.

>>513118382 (OP)
i bought an EV in 2023 and will never drive a traditional vehicle ever again
they're fun to drive. instant torque. fast as fuck. cheaper than gas. low center of gravity makes it handle well. have spent zero dollars in maintenance over 2 years now. autopilot drives for me on long road trips if i'm feeling lazy. 360 degree camera sentry mode; if some illegal decides to get near my vehicle, they're immediately recorded.
they're vastly superior vehicles.
could not care less about having a positive impact on the environment. my battery's toxic ore was hand-mined by chinese children.

>>513118382 (OP)
I will never drive an EV, never eat insect burgers and never get gene therapy.

>>513118382 (OP)
>https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/31/new-flow-battery-electric-car-usa-ira/
>https://www.nanoflowcell.com/research-development/application-research/mobility/quantino-twentyfive
The American solution is coming, and it can be retrofitted.

>>513119047
Its specifically designed for logging

>>513119475
Cars are not an investment, retard. Nobody has ever made money by buying a car except for commercial fleet operators.

>>513126123
>and it can be retrofitted.
link? couldn't find anything about retrofits on their site.

>>513124171
I remember learning about the Gilded Age and how bullshit it was for the common man, this age (the Brown Age) is going to be remembered similarly. There's just so much bullshit that all the failures will definitely be studied in history.

>>513125806
>the problem is bullshit proprietary designs and the lack of aftermarket batteries.
That's by design retard. Every time a new phone model is released, which is every year, they change the shape of the battery so it's not compatible with the last model or any model before it. Obviously not out of necessity, but so you have to buy a new battery from their company. EVs are just this scam scaled up, Tesla doesn't want you to buy aftermarket batteries from a different brand. They want your money and they force you to come to them for additional services. Easy to legislate against, but out lawmakers don't give a fuck about us when Elon can hand them a few million like pocket change to keep his wasteful, anti working class practices in place.

>>513123483
one of the most beautiful cars ever created

>>513126517
Did I say it was an investment? Goddamn you sound dumb right now. Hybrids and EVs lose you money rapidly compared to gas cars. You will never make that cost back in fuel savings, even with just a hybrid. You pay more for the car initially, and lose money more rapidly by the thousands, when the average person only spends $1k a year total in fuel.

>>513120037
EVs work fine outside of America.
>>513120225
Battery tech has a lot of room to improve. It just does so in a very slow and linear fashion. The good news is that they only need to reach 1/3 of the energy density of gasoline to provide equal performance due to the fact that 2/3 of the energy in fossil fuels is lost as waste heat.
>>513120822
ever heard of the cobra effect? Theyll become $7500 cheaper soon. If you were selling a car and you knew the govt would give your customers an extra $7500 what would you do?
>>513123150
Unironically GM is doing a pretty good job. Im surprised. Fords skunk works team has yet to deliver a vehicle though so we will see
>>513124055
Its not 2015 anymore and that was the dealers "I dont want to do it" price anyway. A rebuilt tesla battery costs $8k, not too far off from what a brand new performance crate engine would cost you. Gently used modules that are 5 years old only cost a few hundred bucks so if you rebuilt the battery yourself with them it would only cost like $3k and it would last at least another decade.

>>513126762
I meant infrastructure retrofitting because of the pumping mechanisms. Sorry for misleading.

>>513127158
Before people claim 1k a year in fuel is BS

>10k miles per year
>divide by a conservative 33mpg
>303 gallons per year used
>multiply by 3.50 average cost per gallon
>around 1k

Americans really need to start doing the math on things to realize how badly they're being ripped off. AI can help since you're so fuckin dumb. Don't even get me started on houses. A 500k house over a 30 year loan with 7% interest, you pay 1.2 mil for. Type these questions into AI, you'll realize we're already living under total Jewish slavery.

>>513118382 (OP)
The (((global shift))) is from the top down. If it was a trend from the masses it would be to cars that cost less that six figures.

>>513118382 (OP)
>unusable in rural locations
>in urban areas (where you don't need to drive) most people live in apartments must use public charging sites
>public charging sites are rare
>takes 2 hours to fill up the tank for 200 miles of travel (maybe)
>poor cold weather performance
>electricity is expensive in hot climates
>electricity comes mainly from coal and gas plants so co2 is still generated
>the power grid is insufficient to meet demand which means electric prices would quadruple at least if everyone switched
EVs are a fucking meme

>>513127276
>A rebuilt tesla battery costs $8k, not too far off from what a brand new performance crate engine would cost you
I don't think you're considering installation costs, and the fact that the car platform itself is built like an iphone so won't last 10 years. They will fuck the software and force you to buy a new one. It's not the same type of machine, digital vs analog. With digital you give the corporations more control to fuck you, and they definitely utilize every bit of that control. Tesla dealerships bricking the vehicle because you installed unapproved floormats isn't that far off.

>>513127612
Oh, I forgot zero resale value due to battery degredation. EVs are near worthless after 8 years of use.
No refunds goy

>>513126931
I have rebuilt the battery in my PDA from 2001 multiple times. The packs use standard size cells inside.
>>513127158
They depreciate because theyre relatively new technology. Buying an EV today is a bit like buying any car in the late 19th and early 20th century when all cars were new tech. A single cylinder 1904 cadillac became a hopelessly obsolete piece of junk compared to the model T just a few years later. We are in the transition period between the early adopter phase where its going from only being used by rich people who can afford to waste money on that stuff and tech nerds who love it so much they dont care to it being a normal thing that everyone does. The main limiting factor at this point is the number of charging stations.
>>513127612
That hasnt been true in a decade, electric cars have thermal management systems in the batteries now which phones and laptops dont have. I see charging stations in rural alabama now. Theres not enough but there will be in 10-15 years. Electricity demand has been rapidly growing for years now and there hasnt been any problems. Home chargers only use as much power as your air conditioner.
>>513127783
Its easier to swap an electric car battery than an ICE engine is. And they dont function like phones at all. They have a liquid cooling system that can also heat the battery during cold weather. Phones dont have these which is a big part of why they dont last long. There are Teslas from 2014 still running on their original batteries. Interestingly enough the Nissan Leaf had no thermal management system which is why they eat batteries all the time. LFP batteries are here now and they last twice as long as NCA batteries do. Your understanding of electric cars is based on 10-15 year old compliance vehicles that the car companies made shitty on purpose.

>>513127612
You have to give them the pros:
>the quick acceleration is fun
>you never have to get bothered by the tweaker at the gas station

That's pretty much it. They can still exist just to troll guys with expensive V8s pushing every bit of power then getting smoked by a silent EV. That's a very niche thing though, as far as practicality goes, manufacturers are gonna have to do something about the cost to maintain because most people are going to realize they got fucked after buying the first one and not buy a second one. Electric powered transport is viable for something like a bicycle, and honestly with the prevalence and practicality of ebikes we should just use those more and build some better infrastructure for them.
>fast enough for around town
>no need for giant seas of roads
>no registration
>no insurance
>no gas costs
>minimal electricity costs
>minimal battery replacement costs

Like wtf just ride a bike. Only use a car for longer highway trips.

>>513127867
Theres 12 year old teslas still running that have 85% of their original range. Modern batteries are much better and so are the systems designed to mitigate degradation. They have 10 year powertrain warranties now

>>513126517
Toyota Tacomas resell really well.
>>513122404
This is the only way to fly. (Although in my parts FWD and AWD are preferable). My left leg/foot are strong AF.

>>513127612
>>in urban areas (where you don't need to drive) most people live in apartments must use public charging sites

my apartment has a level 2 ev charger, and many complexes in my area have them, and in the future more and more will have them.

>>public charging sites are rare
wrong
plugshare.com

>>takes 2 hours to fill up the tank for 200 miles of travel (maybe)

200 miles in a tesla would take ~15 minutes on any DC fast charger

>>513127612
>>poor cold weather performance
already a solved problem with sodium-ion batteries

>>electricity comes mainly from coal and gas plants so co2 is still generated

EV's are still a net positive even if the grid was 100% coal powered, less co2 per mile and single point pollution from the power plant vs pollution on every street.

>>513127612
QUANTiNO twentyfive stands in your path

>>513128760
Plus not depending on oil as much would be nice. Thats why all these countries are pushing EVs, they dont have oil so getting off oil is a huge economic and national security benefit to them.

>>513129316
>Thats why all these countries are pushing EVs, they dont have oil so getting off oil is a huge economic and national security benefit to them
True. Thats why china is all in on EVs. They have no oil.

>>513129777
America has plenty and we can print dollars to import it for free. That wont stop the EV transition just slow it down, we will probably end up with a 60/40 split between plugin hybrids and battery electric cars. Even african shitholes are pushing EVs hard because they can barely afford to import oil but they have their own electricity running on domestic fuel sources like coal, geothermal and hydropower.