Thread 513126089

What are the politicals implications of this?

>>513126089 (OP)
Yep, but processed slop is still in demand. Enjoy heart disease, stroke and cancer.

>>513126089 (OP)
Those vegan dedens Hodled that stock like it was steamed broccoli. Now they're all starving. The irony.

>>513126210
t. red meat eater who fries everything in tallow

>>513126089 (OP)
I don't think this means veganism is dead, they still eat their geass and onions supplements. Beyond meat was pushed for normal people to get them to switch to artificial fake shit, and got rejected.

Wasn't Beyond Meat supposed to seem disturbingly close to the real thing? Why would a plant-based eater want that? I wouldn't.

>>513126324
Most of my vegan friends that got into it when it was the hype (through their girlfriends pressure) are back to eating grilled meat. Vegan places are closing everyday and supermarkets used to have aisles of veggie based crap and now it's just a section on a corner.

>>513126502
For the same reason lesbos fuck each other with rubber dicks.

>>513126627
this

>>513126627
...And my whole point is, it's nothing like lesbos. Because BM is finished, thus proving that plant-based dieters want to eat...plants.

>>513126089 (OP)
Less annoying people in the world telling you about their meme diet.

Also, the reason why it's closing is because veganism was proven to be unhealthy for you.

>>513126089 (OP)
I'm a vegan an never was that big of a fan of beyond. It was WAY too expensive, greasy, and gave me death farts. There are much better options, Beyond was an attempt to make this stuff have mass distribution, not do anything with veganism.

>>513126089 (OP)
I had an impossible burger once, it was alright. Way too fucking expensive.

I just celebrated my 1 year carniversary. Ama

>>513126910
Your point is you're a retard. Go to any vegan restaurant and they all have meat substitutes. Veganism is a media pushed, guilt induced trend, most of them don't want to eat that way.

>>513126627
Did someone say Rosie o donnel?

>>513127105
How many dicks do you eat per week?

>>513126089 (OP)
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-11-21/beyond-meat-plants-dirty-conditions-revealed
Good, the place was disgusting. I wouldn't say veganism is dead, but the company deserved to shutter.

Remember when the Eglin spics made hundreds of threads boosting this garbage? Fucking losers also rooted for Jewkraine lol.

>>513126502
Because they do want meat

>>513127351
Did you say women are dogs and pigs?

>>513126089 (OP)
We're so back, carnivore bros

>>513127317
I can't say much as I'm not a vegan. But it's obviously a mistake to say that something that's "guilt-pushed" is necessarily a bad thing.

And do you really need to cope so hard by saying that vegans don't actually want to be vegans? They're a tiny percentage of the world and don't bother you in any way. You need to relax.

All these arguments about why they're failing are funny to me.

It's price, y'all. End of story.

Make Beyond cheaper than animals, and they win. Yes, some people will still hold out because "processed" or "fuck vegans" or "make your own," but if Beyond is the cheapest easy option, they win. They become the default for most people at the grocery store, plus they become the default for every restaurant, fast food chain, school cafeteria... Everyone just wants to afford a burger.

Right now, they're one of the most expensive. I get that there are forces making this happen, but that doesn't change my point about cost.

>>513126279
basado

>>513126089 (OP)
>Veganism
This is beyond me.

>>513126089 (OP)
>politicals implications
Ssssooooooyyyyy is political, free our speech you cocksucking jannie retards.

>>513126089 (OP)
Beyond meat was horrible. Tried cooking the burger version on a charcoal grill. It turned dark green. Dog wouldn’t eat it

>>513126089 (OP)
The problem with these vegan food companies is that they keep trying to make things taste and look like meat instead of making plant based food that tastes good. Their premise is to make people think they are eating meat, which is a bad approach. They even have deceptive packaging. I've accidentally bought vegan burgers before and it just made me hate them.

>>513126089 (OP)
don't worry, I'm sure "YouWillEatTheBug<dot>com" will have an IPO soon

>>513126089 (OP)
>create product as replacement to meat.
>tastes worse
>is more expensive
>company fails

How could this happen?

Seriously, the fake meat thing is what made me realize our elites are retarded.
You could get poor people to eat beef flavored sawdust if it was half the price of hamburger.
The idea that you were going to shame poor people into buying fake food they can't afford for moral reasons was NEVER going to work.

>>513126089 (OP)
I've been listening the vegan debaters on Tiktok for the past week and they seem impossible to defeat logically. How did this happen?

>>513127105
Good for you, people are saying you cant work out without carbs

>>513126089 (OP)
Vegans on suicide watch.

It's almost as if people don't want to pay for a product that costs more than meat and doesnt taste as good!

>>513126502
This, the concept never made sense.
Anyone who wants meat will just eat meat, especially since this was more expensive than actual meat.

Real vegans just eat fucking beans...not that basedslop

>>513126089 (OP)
I like the taste of plant stuff that imitates meat, but I only eat it occasionally. You can't base your diet on that. It's stupid.

>>513127863
So, white guilty is not bad?

>>513128302
^^^100% this.

It's like they've done market analysis, determined people generally dislike vegan food, then made an assumption as to why. It's not because of what it's made of, it's thats it's a crap immitation of something people enjoy. Just make something fucking new that tastes nice and has a reasonable price. It is genuinely that simple.
Why would a person who is indifferent towards eating meat decide to eat a vegan burger thats more expensive and tastes significantly worse?

>>513126252
lol damn

>>513126089 (OP)
Now they're Beyond Business

>>513127863
It has unwarranted "guilt-pushing: as there is nothing wrong about eating meat. Its a tatar post white colonial push to restrict nutrients from revolting serfs that should have been ignored as soon as it was brought up.

>>513128827
Black bean burger is not bad, big shiitake burger also good.

>>513128792
Vegans believe moral consistency > logistics. It's the philosophy of telling randos they're morally bankrupt for exploiting sentient life but then placing that responsibility on the other to figure out how to be vegan financially and nutritionally.

This is why they're absolute dog shit at converting people.

>>513129168
They are better than Beyond shit for sure at least

>>513128065
retard cope
People wouldn't eat it even if it were free because it tastes like trash.

People gobble up goyslop because it's cheap AND addictive

>>513128065
I would rather eat real food, meat or otherwise, not your White processed slop. You create artificial food deserts giving people little choice but your awful unnatural shit that doesn't even deserve to be above a dollar and would not be consumed if real food was the alternative.

>>513126089 (OP)
kek so much for you will eat the bugs

I guess Schwab and Gates are going to have to find a sneakier way to get the goyim to eat cheaper cattle feed

>>513127105
jacked balls looking mf

>>513129234
What is the moral dilemma to begin with?
As if plenty of other animals don't eat meat.

>>513128530
They're impossible to defeat logically because they ignore logic.
You most be a terminally online moron.

>>513129092
Carlos!

>>513126089 (OP)
Even with beef prices at an all time high, no one wants to eat that shit

>>513129661
Vegans have the morality and logical consistency of children.
They equate pain with morality.
Its why they're so fragile physically and emotionally.

>>513127863
>obnoxious bunch of motherfuckers who are very vocal about their diet and are very well known to protest meat eating and meat eating businesses
>don't bother you in any way

yeah fuck off retard and kill yourself

>>513129661
>As if plenty of animals don't eat meat
They go
>ApPeAL tO NaTURE
Then they go through a hypothetical deduction by asking something like "Humans Rape and Murdered by nature, does that justify you raping and murdering?"
Most people go "lol no" and then they go "lol contradiction", if you go yes they go "ReDUCtio aD AbsURdum".

Basically, they have a bunch of ethics majors and psychology majors that spent the last decades of their lives learning how do win debate team and sadly I've yet to see someone "win" against them due to this.

Fortunately this desire to argue at people to expose moral hypocrisy deters said people from adopting their view.

>>513129679
From what I can tell they're spot on in terms of logical debate, though I've never heard anyone focus on their central platform that the quantity of suffering matters or why sapience demands the responsibility to reduce it.

>>513129813
Those star burgers that came out in the 90’s you could get from the grocery store
are good at least they used to be
They probably don’t taste the same though

They fucked themselves by being as expensive if not more so than actual meat. The only way it was gonna take off is if they offered a cheaper product.

>>513127105
Can you hold me down and fucj me

>>513126324
I'm fine with people who don't eat meat and eat legumes instead, vegetables, fruits, grains, and so on and so forth. There's plenty to eat besides meat, there is no need whatsoever to eat fake meat

>>513126252
what went wrong !? they even got into mcd in germany

>>513126910
they dont, its just that creating a cheap imitation of something with a bunch of ridiculously processed ingredients is worse than just eating tofu or something

>>513128483
don't worry, slop enshittification has been going on for awhile and is using more and more filler. they're going to get there one way or another.

>>513130839
eating meat doesnt cause suffering, jewish corporations that treat animals like shit do though

>>513126089 (OP)
I used to do grocery store resets and the frozen "non meat" section was always filled with shit that had to be thrown away because it was out of date which means it had been sitting in that freezer for probably two years with no one buying it basically the whole door even in rich NOVA neighborhoods people weren't buying this shit

>>513126089 (OP)
vegan and vegetarian food is literal processed ultrachemical slop. it's the same as eating only mcdonalds. it smells and tastes like shit. it's not real food.

>>513128302
>plant based food that tastes good

that shit doesn't exists. most plant based food is poison for humans. the taste like shit is a red flag so you don't eat it and don't die.

>>513131947
It's a lot more insane than you think it is. They believe all exploitation of sentient life by sapient beings to be wrong, going well beyond just shitty conditions at farms.

Yesterday I listened to an ethics major try to argue with a guy who was trying to justify the use of hunters as a population control against invasive pythons in Florida based on the "possibility" of a more "ethical" way of handling it, basically proposing sterilization feed while completely ignoring the longevity of the pythons or the logistics behind the hypothetical, all because of the moral framework taking precedence over the logistics.

If there was bird in the wild that laid an infertile egg, you could not take and cook the egg as a sapient being because that's exploitation in their eyes, because (you) have the means to go to a store and buy bean burgers while a hungry animal who'd eat it does not.
These people believe the death and suffering of all livestock due to their husbandry induced adaptions (I.E Sheep need to be sheered or they die) after total abandonment is necessary sacrifice to prevent unnecessary exploitation of their continued existence.

All of this, from what I've listened to, follows a rigid logical consistency despite being impractical, logistically dubious and presumptions of the human value in moral consistency.
The reality is that morale consistency isn't valued by most people, hence why laws exist. Obviously by concluding its human nature to be horrible (as they often do when refuting Appeal to Nature argument) they should know this.

>>513126089 (OP)
American food is so fucking gross. Nothing tastes like it does in Europe.

>>513126910
>>513126502
confusing vegans for vegetarians there buddy

>>513126089 (OP)
Hmm well if you bought that stock you're retarded...
Here's a tip, if you're making fake meat it needs to be cheaper. a lot cheaper. not more expensive than meat

>>513133647
its just martyr syndrome, they jerk themselves off about how they're supposedly sacrificing themselves for the good of others. its why they're also a bunch of anti white leftist faggots
there is nothing immoral about it unless you think humans are worth the same or less than the feelings of animals

>>513129649
we are not cattle. we are the highest predators in the planet. a wolf can't be a sheep as well as a mammal can't live like a bug.

>>513134333
Their primary goal is try to modify the market by having more people demand vegan foods over meat products, which is why they're obsessed with moral brow beating you into being dependent on the super market plant food without exception.

>There is nothing immoral about it unless you think humans are worth the same or less
They're particularly good at eroding that though, the best you can do is essentially to say yes, you are presuming humanity is superior and then agree to the barrage of-isms to be morally consistent; you assume -isms justify behaviors, of which at the end they just call you a piece of shit which is completely based I guess because you're a morally consistent racist.

Otherwise, They basically employ a conversational tool called Name the Trait that is heralded as the core of their ideology ( "What trait present in animals, if present in humans, would justify killing humans for food?")

According to what I've researched, defeating it involves answering with "Sapience in conjunction with higher consciousness as a default, essentially stating that by virtue of those traits being present in a standard representative of the species, that abnormalities like a downs person or braindead coma patient are afforded the same moral consideration.

However, I've seen someone try arguing something close to this and they managed to somehow toss out the "Default part".

Basically the name of the game is if you name a trait or family of traits a human has that justifies them eating animals, they'll argue your moral consistency justifies eating cripples and retards then they REDUCED TO LE ABSURDITY!

Arguing by default is supposed to work around it, but it seems they simply do not accept that framework.

The good news for Pro-lifers is this NTT framework works in their favor and bringing that up in vegan discussions causes them to glitch out because their liberal bias does cause double-think in their philosophy regarding abortion.

>>513131947
China treats pig livestock better than people are treated in the west and have healthier pork because of it. Just abandon the shitty US(White) model.

>>513126089 (OP)
one company whose problem was precisely that many others did the same doesn't say anything about veganism
does carmakers having problems because of china or whatever mean cars are dead?

>>513134333
>muh precious humanity
you're the most politically correct retard and accuse others of being "leftist", what a joke

>>513126089 (OP)
We sell that bullshit at the restaurant I work. Maybe 1 per shift gets sold and it’s the same staff member almost everytime

>>513126089 (OP)
Beyond Profitable

>>513133696
You're seething like a woman now.

>>513126089 (OP)
Call it a bean burgers and I might eat it.

Don't tell me it's meat.

>>513126089 (OP)
all this Green leftist shit is finished. turns out being a annoying faggot about everything doesnt work out in the end.

>>513126089 (OP)
Everyone found out that every jewish diet advice has always been a lie for slaves and the simple truth is to eat meat eggs and butter for good health.

>>513131193
I don't know about humans but for dogs, replacing animal protein with legume protein can cause enlarged heart valves.

>>513126502
Because it's designed to deceive meat eaters into eating fake slop meat, it was never for vegan fags

>>513126502
Vegetarians are a wild bunch. They will do anything to taste things that look like meat.
I get a small kick out of telling my family members who eat it that they're eating fungus

>>513133647
>>513134333
All of this just sounds like christcuckery to me. Their fundamental belief is that we should be powerless and die, it's a death cult. As Aryans our values are naturally about leading in a righteous manner, we want strong, charismatic and intelligent leaders that are also fair and pragmatic.

This is what they refuse, they claim that anyone having power will be evil, that it's not possible to both have power and be good, and that the more defenseless and powerless you are, the better. They work only from this pseudo-moral axiom, this conception that "to be moral you must renounce having any impact on the world, you are unjustified and prohibited in any and all cases to intervene, it doesn't matter what, I said you're not perfect, therefore you shouldn't do anything ever to anyone or anything".

It's all about castrating yourself because "if you have a dick, you might rape someone". It's anti-life, anti-agency, anti-freedom, anti-Aryanity bullshit. They don't care about the resulting suffering of you being forced to inaction, they just want you powerless to satisfy their dogma.

they should have tried selling that slave slop bullshit over where the slaves come from
>look sanjay i am eating a hotdog i am american now
>get off my sister ransheesh

no white people are derived from the south asian subcontinent. white people are of the western world, of european tradition and ancestry (aka christendom). white people explored, colonized and uplifted the world's straggling diversity into a modern age. meanwhile pajeets waited centuries for the next superior outsiders to give them purpose and identity.

"aryans" were an ancient example of white people, and they no longer exist in that form. there is no "indo-european" anything worth mentioning. the modern pajeet is a degraded copy of a copy of an ancient aryan's slave, long abandoned to his own primitive devices. a more recent example of abandoned pajeet slaves, this time far from home, are the gypsies in europe.

it would seem that the distasteful business of slavery may have evolved to meet the needs of the slaves themselves. what if specific cultures of humanity are natural and organic slaves, and to deprive them of their god-given role in life can only result in corruptions? what if freedom is only a mind-bending poison to these poor souls, and separates them from instinctive happiness? then what has been done to so many? what cruelty has this been, raising them up to stand as peers and rivals to anyone?

>>513126210
Beyond meat is peak processed slop.

>>513145011
Well yeah, they are innately opposed to violence outside of necessity which can only come from an opposition, meaning they are indeed utterly toothless unless they broaden their understanding of necessity, which they will not do out of fear of ruining their "We will change the world through consumerism" ideology.

When you make your moral framework around treating others as you'd want to be treated, by apply it to all living things, and rigidly avoid moral hypocrisy, you are indeed castrated from any action that would benefit your cause.

Ironically most of these cucks fedora tip on religion hard.

USAID ran out.

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

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>>513133942
Absolutely right. i'm vegetarian and bought vegan meats a couple times but they're cost prohibitive compared to just homemade beans and lentils with rice

>>513126089 (OP)
No USAID money

>>513126089 (OP)
This story is literally fake news. You fell for fake news.

>>513134333
>there is nothing immoral about it unless you think humans are worth the same or less than the feelings of animals
No, you just have to think that a bit of pleasure doesn't justify intense abuse of sentient beings.

You can disagree, but then don't act indignant when some jew treats you like goycattle because you're not included in his arbitrary circle of moral concern.

>>513145727
Veganism is not some ad-hoc, sui generis belief system but follows from various normative ethical theories, like utilitarianism. And utilitarianism isn't pacifist. To the contrary, utilitarianism plausibly mandates that good people cooperate to amass power to make the world better, and prevent bad people from getting their way.

>>513126089 (OP)
They never tried to innovate. They took thw advice of vegans and vegetarians when they should have focused on the kosher and halal market.

They tried to sell to a demographic that was in constant fluctuations. People only stay vegan for a relatively short period of time. That means they couldn't create a market of stable customers and instead had to rely on people moving in and out of their consumer base. They should have also focused on better products instead of creating something that was supposed to replace meats.

Create a meat substitute that muslims and jews are willing to eat and keep kosher/halal. Something that is pricey but offers an alternative to worrying about keeping kosher.

pajeets are fixated on multiculturalism, race mixing and "passing" for other races, because the ulterior dream of every male or female pajeet is to breed out their original characteristics and assume another identity. rather than correcting the ancestral behaviors that resulted in their present reputation, they seek to fly by night away from their inheritance and into the ambiguity of your bloodline instead

>>513146596
What meat isn't cost prohibitive to fucking legumes and rice.

Boy do i love my tofu though.

>>513146974
>>513147486
Most vegans i meet believe there's some kind of health benefit and could cate less about the ethics of eating animals or animal products.

Its like people who think keeping kosher is about "cleanliness".

i have a lot more than 20 pastas. let's dig deeper

brown saar-deens stinking up the place
drop trash drop ass can't stop blasting waste
stories how you coming back to glory days
pajeet pleej when you gonna change your ways

>>513146974
>Bro because you're sapient, If you're upset about being prey you can't be a predator, that's a moral contradiction!
My biggest gripe with philosobros is the larp that humanity as a whole gives a fuck about moral consistency.

On these lives I watch, most shitposting teenagers that pop up have never once sat down and decided to explore an internal moral thesis to dictate their behavior like the ethics bros have, and they don't need to.
People operate on very basic threads of empathy. If some woman dies in the news, unreleated people aren't going to cry about it unless they willingly apply her death to some sort of facet of themselves and even then it's half assed.

People love their dogs but don't care about some cow because they simply haven't created an empathetic bond to that animal.
You can make little hypotheticals to point out how "arbitrary" the distinction is, but it ultimately doesn't change the fact that the empathy is inconsistent and that's perfectly fine.

If everyone needs years of philosophy to map out a consistent moral compass, then clearly that's a massive waste of time, especially since the philosophers never have the mettle to lead nations anyway.

TL;DR ethics are useless, powerful men that make powerful connections yielding powerful prosperity is all that matters.

Also vegans suck ass at convincing people to join their cause, nobody cares if eating superman by their own moral logic is absurd.

every time i answer one i don't know
good morning very much give me so and so
amazon gift card couple google plays
pajeet pleej when you gonna change your ways

>>513150643
This.

Most vegans eat vegan because somebody told them it was healthier. They only care about their own health. It's like people who think jews eat kosher because of some ancient idea of "cleanliness".

>>513150643
What's the point of rambling about how you can't justify abusing animals but will do it anyway? Vegans aren't under some delusion that there aren't self-consciously evil people who know what they're doing and just don't care. The people we're trying to reach by argumentation are those who are open to changing their minds after learning about the facts or reflecting on their values.

watch out
special needs be creeping in the weeds
emergency fiends got a bottomless mouth to feed
talk like you're looking for a type but you're prison gays
pajeet pleej when you gonna change your ways

>>513126089 (OP)
>politicals implications
I'm a left-leaning tard who eats a lot of meat. I don't think anyone really cared for the Beyond shit. It was a gimmick that was talked about on social media for a small frame of time, and then petered out because everyone forgot about it. Beyond meat really was the Dubai Chocolate Labubu Matcha Tea Crumbl cookie of its time.

americano no know where's the beef
gringo take a gander absolute state of the leaf
pocket full of hand eye downcast in a haze
pajeet pleej when you gonna change your ways

>>513127863
>And do you really need to cope so hard by saying that vegans don't actually want to be vegans?
what cope bro? they spend their days looking at videos on how to make something taste "creamy" and "juicy" like dairy and meat
then they go to their goymarkets and buy these NOTcream and NOTmeat products because they want to eat cream and meat so bad but their cult won't allow it, they're slowly killing themselves to malnutrition
it's a mental illness and faggots like you keep perpetuating it because you think it's harmless or even worse, healthy, because you're a retarded sheep

>>513127863
>don't bother you in any way
that's funny, this is the same thing the trannies and jews and pajeets always say. the most bothersome groups ever

>>513148236
>>513151826
Surveys consistently show that the vast majority of vegans cite ethical reasons as their primary motivation. Nobody believes that fish is unhealthy, or that honey is worse than other sweeteners, or that wearing leather will make you sick, so real life behavioral evidence is consistent with the survey results and inconsistent with your health motivation hypothesis.

Your butthurt reply suggests that the vegans you met told you that they're doing it for health reasons because they realized you have no moral integrity and are trying to appeal to your self-interest instead.

who's undertaking dead internet
horizon overflowing incoming this is what you get
these are gonna be your bloody janny tyranny
and you will own nothing living like a pet

pajeet pleej (when you gonna ×2)
--pa-pa-pajeet pleej (when you gonna change your ways)
pajeet pleej (when you gonna ×2)
--pa-pa-pajeet pleej (when you gonna change your ways)
i know you know you're gonna have to change your ways

>>513127105
sorry about the narrow sloped shoulders anon

Beyond meat is a shitty overpriced company that didn't make tasty meat substitutes. Their competitors did. Yes I am a coinsurer of vegetarian alternatives. But not a strict vegetarian. So I can compare it to the real thing. Amy's has good veggie burgers that are affordable.

>>513155336
what the hell are you, some kind of...
multivore? holovore? freak
you have to COMMIT
like me, i eat SNAKE MEAT ONLY
because of that fucken snake in the bible
fuck all other food, fuck snakes, i eat snakes
why don't you take a stand for once
you ravenous ghoul
give your life some purpose
eat a snake

>>513152638
>The people we're trying to reach by argumentation
It doesn't work.
At least 2 people per 8-12 hour Live I've witnesses "convert" but their inability to understand the moral dilemmas thrown at them is usually pretty obvious.
Usually these types go in simply wanting to be "good" and will accept any passionate rant as truth because it's a means to add to their own "goodness". There's also no way of knowing if it sticks or not.
Most of the time it's malice latent ego flex; they get off to the philosophy schooling. This is inferred by the vocal inflection and bragging especially when they de-escalate after an intense argument.

Basically, they're bitter, bitter at people and only know how to tell them off for being morons beneath them and that's all they really achieve. It's reasonable for them to be upset, as people vocally despise them, but they do jack shit to increase their optics among normies and dig the ditch deeper.

>Wah wah you can't justify it.
Animals do not have potential reproductive compatibility among homo sapiens by default, meaning that among normal conditions, humans are reproductive viable with each other at maturity.

Under this moral framework that holds this trait to be exclusionary of consumption, Children are included because by definition they are not mature, but have the potential to mature into adulthood to then become reproductively compatible, exhuming them from consumption.
A person in a coma or persons who are infertile are included by virtue of being a member of the species who by default, has reproductive potential.
Superman, being a kryptonian, is sexual compatible with a homo sapiens by default and thus would be included into this moral framework.

Oh no, wheres my absurdity?

>>513126089 (OP)
They lasted way longer than I expected.
Next we wait for Impossible Meat.

>>513126089 (OP)
They pushed this shit on us SO HARD for like three years. There was point where half the meat section in stores was beyond meat or some other globo homo shit.

i'm outa here bitchezzzz

>>513126502
All those alternatives had to fight to be able to use chicken and sausage when describing their product. It came down to "meat-less chicken."

>>513127317
There is pasta and stir fry. Vegan burritos. Corn and potatos. Soup and chili. Tofu if you need something a little meaty to add to whatever. Lots of good food that is vegan. The meat substitutes usually suck and tofu is only good in small amounts. They were experimenting with making a new type of tofu and making it look like meat. You have to have not eaten meat in years for that to taste good to you. Doesn't work on new customers.

>>513126089 (OP)

Maybe I should get an Impossible Whopper while I can

>>513129168
Portobello burgers. All you need to do is buy giant Portobello mushrooms and grill them. No over processed shit!

No wonder why they went out of business! They lost the health conscientious demographic.

>>513126089 (OP)
>meat
>veganism
no

>>513126089 (OP)
That woke isn't fully dead yet, but is getting there.

>>513156182
Look, the Veganigger GOTcha is that because people value human vegetables and retards that people can't proclaim sapients, higher thinking or all the other things that make humans stand out from other animals as the justification because "lol you can't just eat a downz mongoloid lmao!"

So you have to find a way to include such mongs into the framework so they can't do that. Plain and simple.

>>513126089 (OP)
$75 million in sales during Q2 kek.

>>513126502
I tried one once and it was awful. I eat beef 20-30 days a month and this shit wasn’t even close.

>>513155966
The immediately obvious problem with reproductive compatibility with homo sapiens as a morally salient trait is that it is clearly an arbitrary post-hoc rationalization unmotivated by deeper principled reasons. But ignoring that (and the vagueness of your "future potential" clause) and reflecting on its merits, the entailments of even a charitable reading are clearly repugnant, e.g.
>It is morally permissible to abuse and murder on an industrial scale a hypothetical humanoid species that is identical (or superior) to homo sapiens in terms of intelligence, moral character, beauty etc. but cannot naturally interbreed with us.
You're basically signing off on the morality of some demented elven cattle guro manga. That this kind of absurdity is a common theme with anti-vegan arguments should give you pause, to put it mildly.

Anyone have that pic from a grocery store during the height of covid panic buying that shows a meat shelf totally cleared out except for the vegan "meat"

>>513126210
Vegan fake meat bullshit is highly processed slop in its own right. Plus it tastes bad. It has absolutely nothing going for it.

lol at the idiots who sank billions into the bug industry

>>513158214
I thought I did, maybe I didn't give it a proper name. Have this instead.

>>513156930
>Lots of good food that is vegan.

Vegans and vegetarians really ruined the reputation of their crazy food options and alternatives.
They could have won more over if they stuck to advocating beans, lentils, lettuce, carrots, potatoes, and fruits instead of seitan and fake meat.

>>513128542
Well, the amount and quality of meats you need to eat instead of carbs is prohibitively expensive for MOST people, that's the thing.

Most people would have to eat carbs, most people don't have unlimited access to fucking grass-fed steak every day.

>>513158468
Just like Sonic fans ruined Sonic the Hedgehog with their cringe autism.

>>513158214
No but I clearly remember seeing this in person during the covid hysteria, along with 0% beer

>>513126089 (OP)
thats interesting i just noticed today that burger king is pushing the impossible whopper really hard again. you can get it for like 1/4 the price of a regular burger. still never had one and never will.

>>513131343
no one bought it

This is like in Star Wars when the Jedi Order had to go into hiding.

>>513158639
Unloading old stock is my guess

>>513158468
Yeah, in the public consciousness the vegan label now reads as
>more expensive, worse tasting imitation of the real thing
The marketing push to get people to buy "vegan products" has clearly been a miserable failure. Vegans know to look at the ingredients list to find out if something is vegan anyway, and many carnists who may have liked an "accidentally vegan" product on its own merits will go out of their way to avoid it due to the label.

>>513126089 (OP)
Veganism will never die as long as vitamin B-6 deficiency is real.

>>513127105
Hey that looks exactly like the gay man I had sex with at the gay swingers club. Is that you bro? Man we had a HUGE gay orgy that night didn’t we?

>>513128289
>dog wouldn’t eat it
Our youngest puppy eats unbelievable shit like rotting songbirds she killed three days ago. Wouldn't touch that shit.

>>513157819
You're trying to make it sound like vegans are playing some sophisticated rhetorical game aimed at befuddling and tricking people into veganism. Nothing could be further from the truth. Veganism is simply a consequence of acknowledging that inflicting needless suffering and slaughter on sentient beings for pleasure is wrong. It is wrong for to do it to animals for the same reason that it is wrong to do it to humans. The fact that carnists have to twist themselves into pretzels trying to come up with some ad hoc set of arbitrary set of hopefully kinda consistent reasons to justify abusing animals because yummy yummy bacon is not because we're being tricky, but because you're stubbornly denying the obvious.

>>513126089 (OP)
>USAID cut
>Fake meat bankrupt
Coincidence?

>>513144443
Most people are ok eating mushrooms you smug autist.

>>513126089 (OP)
i just wanted a hamburger with like half ground beef instead of 100% ground beef so I could lose weight not flavor.

>>513128483
>You could get poor people to eat beef flavored sawdust if it was half the price of hamburger
This and don't forget that McDicks has basically been serving veggie burgers for decades... because they're burgers still taste good.

>>513158050
>It is morally permissible to abuse and murder on an industrial scale a hypothetical humanoid species that is identical (or superior) to homo sapiens in terms of intelligence, moral character, beauty etc. but cannot naturally interbreed with us.
>You're basically signing off on the morality of some demented elven cattle guro manga. That this kind of absurdity is a common theme with anti-vegan arguments should give you pause, to put it mildly.
Stop! I can only get so erect!

>>513128065
False, they couldn't give the stuff away. Shelves were still fully stocked with the stuff even when it was deeply discounted.

>>513130839
>never heard anyone focus on their central platform that the quantity of suffering matters
Quantity? What about all the small creatures that die from row and crop farming?

>>513126089 (OP)
I’m not a vegan but black bean burgers are great. Better yet have a double black bean burger with cheese where one patty is black bean and the other is beef. Go half vegan and it’s amazing.

>>513160719
To be fair, part of the appeal is that one, typically they can be bred by humans and two, they're mindbroken into enjoying it eventually. Arguably, dickmatizing elven sluts is doing them a favor.

>>513128065
>It's price, y'all. End of story.
actual vegans typically find meat disgusting, why would they want to emulate it? Its like a company trying to market realistic dildos to straight men to shove it up their ass then acting surprised when it doesnt take off.

Some women who are guilt tripped into not eating meat might buy the fake stuff to try and cope but if they are already at the stage where they are pretending they eat meat then all its going to take is 15 mins talking to a man they like to convince them to drop the silly diet anyways.

Basically the only people who would bother buying it are phonies

>>513126089 (OP)

the economy is recovering. Resources are being allocated to necessities instead of fantasy bullshit like this.
The world truly is healing.

>>513126502
I actually would have eaten them (I live in an area with weird pricing) if they weren't basically 50% basedbean oil.

>>513160322
>Sophisticated rhetorical game
Yes, pretty much. Reducing peoples moral framework to absurdity is a form of browbeating.
>Oh no, I don't want to eat superman my moral framework must be wrongo! I've gotta change to appeal to these social justice faggots
Empathy as humanity understands it is a social instinct among primates that effectively establishes group cohesion and all that entails.
Attempting to extend this empathy to all animal life equally, in a reality where life for the most part apathetically consumes itself is absurdity.

Suffering likewise, is a fluid term encapsulating range of states which all share a function of driving a living thing to escape unfavorable conditions.

Suffering is inevitable, so the goal to reduce it implies there is a value in limiting the quantity of it.
Within the confines of a human existence, limiting suffering has value because suffering correlates with all manner of social instability.
The suffering poor may become fed up and unify against their oppressor. The suffering population may be unproductive, or abandon civilization as a whole to escape it. There is actual consequence to human suffering.

But for other forms of life? What is the worth of suffering for millions of slaughtered farm animals?

There is no danger of extinction, there is no danger of rebellion.
The only people who value that suffering have voluntarily immersed themselves into it for reasons I can only imagine to be completely absurd. They willingly chose to misuse their instincts and expect others to fall to the same absurdity.

>Buh do you own pets?
Yes, and my love for them is absurd.

>>513126089 (OP)
I wouldn't eat it, but plant based food isn't all that bad.
I wish all the bug meat companies had gone bankrupt.

>>513158402
nevermind that, i am excited for next product now

i came back to knee kick more pajeets in the xiphoid process
baboosh whapow
pop your rancid little lungs out your nostrils and speedbag em
babida bibida babada
it's a violent turn of events

>>513126089 (OP)
Is that the company behind impossible burgers and shit? I hope they go out of business too.

>>513126089 (OP)
>Beyond Meat is filing for bankrupcy
I've seen the ingredients in their products and it's processed slop, very unhealthy. They're also premium priced

>>513163278
We don't disagree on any descriptive matters, as far as I can tell. I don't even know if we differ much in our emotional/affective attitudes. I'm not "immersing" myself in the suffering of others, if you mean by that some sort of visceral empathy. I am not and never will be personally directly affected by what happens in other minds.

The motivation for not abusing others (including animals) is fundamentally rational, and rationality is not grounded in self-interest but in truth.

We all know from our own internal experience that suffering is intrisically bad. The difference between our own suffering, where we immediately recognize this, and that of others, where we don't, is not a matter or metaphysical difference but of our mode to epistemic access. We don't experience others suffering directly, and so we don't experience the badness of their suffering per se. But parsimony dictates that we postulate it just the same. Egoism is rooted in the same basic error as solipsism, mistaking a difference in how we know for a difference in what we know.

As for your love for your dog, genuine love is a care for another for their own sake. I choose a loving attitude towards others not because they happen to be special to me, but because what happens to them matters to them, which is to say, matters in truth, correcting for my limited perspective.

fkn pajeets every fkn day
sheeit

>>513165402
I cannot see the understanding of suffering and the subsequent simulation of the idea in ones mind as to invoke a sympathetic response as anything other than a willing act, not an innate conclusion to the knowledge of suffering.

I see it as self induced torture, especially the arbitrary inclusion of quantity and lack of necessity, as to submit to the reality that suffering is inescapable

I never understood vegans who want to have their products look like meat, the point of becoming a vegan is usually not as much health concerns but love for animals.
And besides regarding health concerns, those processed vegan foods are unhealthy as meat, look at the saturated fat content on those beyond meat burgers, it's from coconut oil and it's huge, plus lots of sodium as well and mystery chemicals in abundance.

I'm a vegan for half a year and the rest I'm more of a pesco-ovo-vegetarian but I would never buy processed shit, it's ok if my vegan food looks like slop and has no taste either.

>>513126571
vegan shit in general came from women and desperate simps. the woman market is down like crazy so it's no surprise there are way less vegans. easier to just chill with the bros eating hamburgers than deal with some hole.

>>513128065
Why yes, that's why everyone's eating offal since it's so cheap

>>513156930
Enjoy having the same weak body as a jeet.

>>513146596
I would troon out into a vegetarian if they could find out how to make it cheaper than meat. if it gets the job done nutritionally and tastes alright then I would rather eat that than an animal

>>513126089 (OP)

No one wants to eat spider meat – a ton of spiders smashed and held together with meat glue.

>>513126502
The idea was virtuous enough: lets make plant based food that would taste like meat to try and get people to eat lest animal products.
1)less animal suffering
2)less resource intensive (animals require a lot of feed and land)
3)naturalize it/have people actually enjoy this because its a good business model

turns out it was just a novel concept because:
1)no one really cares, meat just tastes better
2)no one wants this because its actually more expensive to make non-meat taste like meat (among many other problems)
3)'you will eat ze bugs' and limpwristed basedboi vibes

I never even tried any of these substitute meat products but I can understand why it became popular for a time, at the end of the day the novelty wore off and meat is still cheap and available and one of the best forms of food a healthy human body needs.

>oh aktually vegans can get just as much nutrition as a
shut up, meat is available, tastes good, its nutrient dense, it cultural, its a natural human thing to eat meat.

The fad is over, until the next start up makes something that actually competes with a steak, which is gonna be a challenge.

>>513126089 (OP)
Veganism will be the name but it's a diet of vegans. Like, we eat vegans now. Cannibalism and all

>>513172135
I would settle for ethically raised and killed animals.

vegans should be sent to rendering plants and converted to bulk ingredients for animal feed, and cheap cosmetics to honor their legacy of vanity

>>513174628
I would ban kosher and halal straight away, that's what I know for sure is that it's bad

saar

>>513126089 (OP)
The Jews tried to push this garbage during covid, they probaly took billions in fiat schekles from the fed!

They're shutting this op down because lab-grown meat is now viable. Tech bros are pushing it hard. You vill eat ze vat-grown tumors.

>>513126089 (OP)
Thank god. Veganism was a scam to keep people spending on supplements and “lifestyle accessories” and keeping them sick, malnourished, and weak.

saaar this will replenish all nutrients

>>513144403
They failed horribly at it. It tastes nothing like meat and i have poor tastebuds

the old veggie burgers were WAY better.

>>513126089 (OP)
I'm not vegetarian but I actually liked the breakfast sausages. Had them once after staying at some girls place. Still, the complexity of being with a girl who's vegetarian is too much for me. We have to make 2 meals for every meal, gtfo

>>513126089 (OP)
it was expensive, just another modern age bachelor cunt trying a get rich quick scheme.
A lot of our food is already chock full of chemicals to add weight and fluff.
clown world
Imagine the future and they just dump raw dirt into a vat and use chemicals to make it edible.

>>513126210
enjoy your mistery vegan tuna just 50 usd/kilo, nothing personel goym he he he. Less people around more resources for me, so stop being a fag and have a stroke already.

>>513126502
This always made me laugh
You never see meat dressed up to look like a vegetable
Nobody buys dried and riced beef to try and convince themselves they're eating cous cous
Yet apparently vegans and vegetarians aren't happy unless they've squashed some unpleasant plant matter into the shape of a beef patty or a chicken steak
Jackfruit pepperoni for fuck sake, jackfruit was probably nice until they did whatever the fuck that was to it
I used to eat this cheese made from coconut oil or something rarely, because it was marketed as a coconut oil cheese, but then they rebranded and tried to make it actually like normal cheese and I was like well why would I buy this now, I'll just get basic ass cheddar instead
If vegans and vegetarians aren't eating shit that looks like everything they hate, they're clinging to some random vegetable or lentil that used to be some backwards third world countries staple food source causing it to rise in price and end up being too much for the people who depend on it to afford, like what happened to quinoa

try new spem™
plant based ham simulation product foodstuff material
almost sort of like real spam if you're very drunk™

>>513126089 (OP)
WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING!

>>513126252
>alimentos empaquetados
based beaner

>>513126089 (OP)
Same reason heroin dealers go out of business, they sold shit and now their customers are all dead.

>>513181265
if only shit would kill people.

>>513181308
I think the vegan and troon market are quite similar, because you've got roughly 8 years to make as much money off them as possible before they die.

>>513128065
During the panic stockpiling at the beginning of Covid, the shelves of my local store were barren except for the vegan stuff. Even people buying food with the mindset that they don't know when the next time they'd be able to do so were passing on that shit.

>>513145528
Look at the ingredients on a bottle of Sunny D if you want to laugh.

>>513126089 (OP)
Why in the fuck does beyond meat shill on country radio stations? Are they actually retarded?

>>513126089 (OP)
>if you do nothing your enemies lose

>>513126502
all vegan products contain ungodly amounts of plant-based oils and are way more expensive than meat - which is insane.

>>513127105
why do you have the gay broccoli head?

>>513183279
and now look at purple stuff. it has actual syphilis in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ddM-FpiMg&t=15

>>513126089 (OP)
I just read an article about how a ton of vegan restaurants in NY and LA are going back to meat. One really famous and upscale one in NY that championed the vegan diet now is serving meat and people are freaking out.

>>513128530
tell them you're about to fight them so they understand the importance of meat logically

>>513126089 (OP)
no one wants to pay more than beef for fucking basedbean burgers.

>>513127317
I cant believe it's not CO2!

>>513184045
The cola, cheese and pickled veggies are all healthier than the purple stuff.

>>513126089 (OP)
All the conservative boomerslop here is irritating. Look at you morons bleat.

>>513136085
>The good news for Pro-lifers is this NTT framework works in their favor and bringing that up in vegan discussions causes them to glitch out because their liberal bias does cause double-think in their philosophy regarding abortion.
Funniest thing I read all morning. Thank you for your debate research.

>>513160322
>Veganism is simply a consequence of acknowledging that inflicting needless suffering and slaughter on sentient beings for pleasure is wrong
But I don't eat for pleasure? Eating for pleasure makes you fat and lazy. Food is medicine. I eat for my own well being so I can take better care of my kids and my wife and my community. And yes, nothing that's not meat is able to replace that. Kidneys, liver, heart work wonders for all sorts of diseases.

Powerlifting lesbians, butts, and meat/protein is the TikTok trend now, so you will see more heart disease in 5 years.