How are you supposed to have peace talks without the leader of the country that was invaded being present?

>>513138873 (OP)
Charles is a goblin who should be hanged for treason peace

>>513138873 (OP)
Its a proxie war

>>513138873 (OP)
Putin is present though?

>>513138873 (OP)
Ukraine is a vassal state of the American Empire. It's also a vassal state of the Russian Empire. That's why they're negotiating. Because it was supposed to remain neutral per previous treaties.

cuz this war is not ukr vs russia. ukr is just pawn in the chess piece. its nato vs russia. ukraine is proxy of collective west and zelensky is clown gay little jew. hes out of terms btw. hes not legal president of piggeria.

>start a proxy war
>throw the proxy under the bus
I think it's an American thing

>>513138873 (OP)
It's everything so magical.
There is no war. Just an operation.
USA is not involved by any means. Just supporting with guns.

Still the peace talk is going to happen with USA.

>>513138873 (OP)

>>513138873 (OP)
you talk to the people who are actually financing his war

>>513138873 (OP)
There's no peace talks

It's just two delusional boomers having a gay orgy

EU will support ukraine
ukraine won't give up

>>513138873 (OP)
yeah instead of 2 jews we gotta have 3 jews meeting about humanity's future.

>>513138873 (OP)
Because the "peace talks" in that situation are as easy as just leave. The invader doesn't want to do that, they want to take something for their trouble.

>>513138873 (OP)
does ukraine have any leverage, like at all?

>>513138873 (OP)
>How are you supposed to have peace talks without the leader of the country that was invaded being present?

because trump is going to fuck over Zelensky and let land revert to Russia as a condition of any agreement

>>513138873 (OP)
You don't get the subtext? They are implying Zelensky is the enemy and has been defeated. He is playing the part of Germany and Japan. This is all a great humiliation ritual for Kyiv, a slap in the face for how many peace conferences Zelensky held to LARP that he had won the war while not inviting Russia.

It's a negotiation about what Trump will give Putin as gifts when surrendering.

>>513138873 (OP)
Zele would have tried to strangle Putin if he was at the airfield. Who knows if he's ever going to meet him.

>>513138873 (OP)
based

>>513139324
putin knows judo. zelensky is vile looking actor and cocaine addict.

>>513139095
This pretty much. The manlet is nothing more than a stooge. The whole peace deal has already been discussed and finalized behind doors by the actual relevant people hence why today we are getting this summit show.

>>513138873 (OP)
as an adult i can agree that it's very annoying trying having a conversation with another adult while a screaming toddler is throwing a tantrum in the room. they could give him a bottle but he'll probably jsut throw it at them, too.

>>513139249
More than russia. The only leverage russia has is if they can convince Trump to join their side. Otherwise they have nothing. A dead economy, a destroyed army, a decrepit failed society.

>>513139249
What leverage mutts or russniggers have lol? It's just WW2/Cold War cosplay

It's over for mutts and russniggers, wake up

Pedorussia will be a chink colony, jewsa is already jewish and brown

>>513139410
Zele was lifting for the first two years of the war and was in pretty good shape, the old grandpa would die.

>>513139095
The "proxy" willingly walked into it. They initiated and encouraged it. Begged for it. Then begged for more. Then cheered, then asked for more funding. They were frothing at the bit to be proxy soldiers. No sympathy from me for that. Idiots played themselves hard.

>>513138873 (OP)
Jewlensky vs. Jewtin

>>513139598
strenght is nothing without technique. putin can jude throw that kike down pretty bad.

>>513139647
Good, at least they have balls

>>513138873 (OP)
Because he holds no cards

>>513139598
I don't think you understand that Putin is actually a properly trained judoka who earned his grade.

>>513138873 (OP)
It's what Trump does. It doesn't matter to him that it's wrong to do it this way because right and wrong, to him, are concepts for "suckers." He did the same thing in Afghanistan -- "negotiate" with the Taliban without the Afghan government present, essentially surrender their country for them without their knowledge, then claim victory. It's beating a dead horse at this point, but he really is a lot like a dumber, more narcissistic Putin. His affinity for Putin is that Putin exemplifies a kind of callous, amoral politics of power to which he aspires.

>>513139483
both side clearly have leverage over your country, ukraine, its obvious. one side fucks your guys in the frontline other side gives you intel and weapons. stop being smug, hohol piece of shit.

>>513138873 (OP)
The message is pretty clear. Ukrainians need to get rid of Zelenskii if they want peace.

>>513139725
It's not balls when your arrogance leads to you a pointless death in which you actually emerge as the villain.

>>513138873 (OP)
This jew isnt needed

>>513139698
Weakling delusions.

>>513138873 (OP)
Ukraine is Americas proxy. They do what they're told. America is killing off the Ukrainians and Palestinians because it is the Great Satan.

>>513138873 (OP)
No one knows, which is why this is gay.

>>513139812
What sense does that make? There doesn't need to be talks or negotiation, Russia is the invader they can just leave and end the war.

>>513139894
do you love cut kosher cock? flaming faggot

>>513139647
Ukies are mindless automatons but without Victoria Nuland's government none of this would have happened

>>513139725
Back to the trenches, mykola

>>513139939
ukraine doesnt have enough manpower. west doesnt have enough weapons to give. its over.

>>513138873 (OP)
Because he who pays the piper calls the tune

>>513139939
They won't just leave. So you have to negotiate. Wake up you fucking child. This isn't Shaniqua's bus stop debate square. Stop demanding things as if anybody fucking cares what you say, turbo faggot.

>>513139842
pointless death is when russniggers storm the frontline on donkeys

>>513139647
Ukraine is notoriously corrupt, and no one has deeper pockets than Uncle Sam. I think what Ukraine wants is whatever its rulers are paid to make the country want

>>513138873 (OP)
Because they've already tried and this nigger spergs out every time

>questionthread
>1 post by this ID
How will you demoralize anyone when you tell everyone that you're a shill?

>>513139410
Zelensky is 47, Putin is 72

>>513140089
The west has plenty of weapons. There isn't a weapons shortage.

>>513140120
That just encourages more aggression.

>>513140058
I'm not going to place any blame on anyone else when the Ukranians themselves conducted a global propaganda campaign gleefully describing their descent into Hell. That's entirely on them. It didn't have to go this far.

>>513140120
Adding: you might as well stay fighting because letting them chip away and take just means they'll come back harder.

>>513140176
Yes and then it's sheep people say they want it too. And they are very vocal about making sure we know and even trying to get us to participate. They tried to dominate over our lives with this shit and tried to foist it in us like a religion.

>>513140158
>storm the frontline on donkeys
bro this so fucking absolutely based.

>>513138873 (OP)
Because it's a NATO-Russia proxy war? Did you listen to own secretary of state? And NATO is basically US and vassal states. So you have negotiations between actual sides of the conflict.

>>513140270
Aggression already happened. Wake up. Nobody is leaving anywhere because you called them a naughty boy. Don't say that ignorant Reddit-shite again. It's irrelelvant to anyone except a child.

>>513140437
>Because it's a NATO-Russia proxy war?
Finno-Korean proxy war. You fucking retard.

>>513140408
actually russians are using bikes and electric scooters for battle taxi those days. they are pretty useful for raid units.

>>513140408
russniggers dying like retards is based

>>513138873 (OP)
the ukraine is not a country

>>513140337
They can't stay fighting. Don't you get it? They never could. So why did the idiots all hype themselves up into devastation? Sheer arrogance.

>>513139286
heh, I think they had an agreement where russia would give up zaporyzhia for dombass, then they announced the meeting, they then realized there was a communication error about giving up zaporyzhia, but they had already announced the meeting, so they rolled it out anyway.

gayest and fakest of the timelines

>>513140544
yeah it's a funny way to die >>513140547

>>513138873 (OP)
its not a peace talk, the talks were announced the day after Medvedev said Putin has ALL the Epstein videos

>>513139698
he is SEVENTY TWO years old you utter retard. strong wind can break his bones.

you 80 IQs really love your cult of personality, huh?

>>513138873 (OP)
The Uke fucked up. He doesn't deserve to talk.

>>513138873 (OP)
Just like Ukraine had peace talks with half of world present not inviting Russia

>>513138873 (OP)
They made a Ukrainian a law that prohibits negotiations with Russia.

>>513138873 (OP)
You can't, which is why the "peace talks" won't amount to much.

>>513140572
So when Russia shows up and says they want something, you just give it to them? Isn't it better to create consequence and resistance to that action so it doesn't become common? Also we're rivals with Russia; giving old weapons to Ukraine to cripple with Russian army and show limits of their force is the greatest ROI on defense spending.

>>513138873 (OP)
hohols don't get a say in any of this

>>513140651
>my gay cocaine addict hero can strangle 72 years old senior citizen!!!!

and how does this change sitaution on battlefield? hohols dying en masse by russian artillery, fab, drones. sad!

You ever see a British soldier torture and carve someone up on camera? I haven't. Ever seen an American soldier on video that wasn't Guantanamo bay? Ever seen any normal developed country put out that shit on Twitter with bragging headlines and snarky jokes? I haven't. But Ukraine posted about 10 a day straight for the last few years. Disgusting people.

>>513140437
They unironically believe it's Russian disinformation that our government fell for. They genuinely believe we had zero involvement in the 2014 overthrow of elected leaders in Ukraine.

>>513138873 (OP)
By talking to the head country backing the organization that's been giving that country weapons and funding.

>>513140824
im pretty sure you spam /k/ with this bullshit talking points and you are overworking here lol

>>513140870
It's a war between Slavs. What did you expect?
They are improving because it's only Gore instead of the evolving into constant cannibalism.

>>513140866
an average middle aged woman can kill a 72 year old without any problems.
how does changing the topic make you win this argument, third world subhuman?

>>513140523
Russia purchases the weapons they get from abroad

>>513140437
Your comic book tier understanding of the world is intoxicatingly naive. Although it is cute you think America is so all powerful that even with a complete regime change that is sympathetic towards russia our government is still for some inexplicable reason forcing Ukraine to fight russia against its will.

Nice vpn btw

>>513141024
(and they do it without first being given money to be able to afford it)

>>513140651
Do you know how many older judokas are still very effective fighters? Many. It's the one martial art that actually scientifically uses angles and leverage to make throwing effortless. I mean completely effortless. You throw yourself against these guys. Look up Mifune. My Sensai is about 70 and more ripped than anyone in the dojo. Former Olympic medalist. Putin didn't just casually take Judo, he studied it properly for years and went up through the grades. He could probably beat you in a fight and I'm not kidding.

>>513139286

Trump will probably use Zelensky saying no as a pretext to withdraw from NATO because Vladimir said he can build a tower in Moscow.

>>513138873 (OP)
leader?

>>513140824
>So when Russia shows up and says they want something, you just give it to them?
I think the timeline is somewhere along the lines of
>promise not to expand NATO
>expand NATO
>expand NATO
>expand NATO
>try to expand NATO, get your shit pushed in

>giving old weapons to Ukraine to cripple with Russian army and show limits of their force is the greatest ROI on defense spending
According to your own ZOGbots, Russia is stronger than it was before

>>513140824
Oh for fucks sakes man are you a grown adult or what? You really think shouting "no u" is a fucking way to conduct negotiations during war? Do you think this is about your pathetic pride?

>>513141005
go back to your country hohol. stop polluting slovakia. your country needs you.

I'm really looking forward to the part where Trump announces
>the war is over, Russia gets to keep what they conquered and we will station troops on the borders!
and then Zelensky and the EU just say no
and Trump is gonna tweet in CAPSLOCK

>>513141204
not a hohol and you need to stop using the internet, brownoid. it wasn't made for you.

>>513140972
Well, I expected the lies I was being told about the benevolent and forward thinking Ukies. Turns out they were exactly as savage and inhuman as I suspected.

>>513138873 (OP)
>1pbtid

Nobody cares about you Zelensky
After this you will have to return to your job dancing as a gay stripper

>>513138873 (OP)
the defeated loser can fuck off

>>513138873 (OP)
Zelensky has proven himself time and again to be irrational and you can't invite an irrational person to a serious discussion. It's just not his place.

>>513138873 (OP)
Look at his fucking smug fuck Jew face

>>513138873 (OP)
He isn’t legal and constitutionally he should have held elections well over a year ago. Don’t like it? Become a legitimately elected leader

if i was on pro nato side i would be ashamed right now. they put every possible economic sanction on russia and it didnt work. they hyped up every cruise and balistic missile they gave to ukraine and it didnt even changed battlefield slightly. lol

>>513138873 (OP)
Because it's actually meant to be a show of force from America diplomatically. Ukrainian survival is at least essential and at worst dependent on. Honestly this talk isn't about Ukraine at all, not really. It's about more economic close-ness with Russia. Maybe if these talks go really well, we unsanction Russia, and trade more with them. We don't have a lot of close trading partners anymore, so Russia needs to fill that spot.

We are invading Ukraine by the of the year screencap this

>>513141292
It's hilarious how they call that "acting". You honestly couldn't pay me enough money to actually dance like a genuine faggot. He doesn't even miss a beat. It comes naturally to him.

>>513138873 (OP)
>make a deal with putin
>US recognizes the annexed territories as russian territories
>the rest of the world follows suit
very easily

>>513140931
I don't post there, it's just true.

>>513141148
What do you mean? Russia wouldn't need to negotiate peace like this if that were true.

>>513141165
You can read this again since I'm not saying no u or making this about pride:
>So when Russia shows up and says they want something, you just give it to them? Isn't it better to create consequence and resistance to that action so it doesn't become common? Also we're rivals with Russia; giving old weapons to Ukraine to cripple with Russian army and show limits of their force is the greatest ROI on defense spending.
Answer the questions if you'd like.

>>513138873 (OP)
>leader
Misspelled dictator retard op.

>>513139939
you must be 18 to browse this board

>>513140779
I am hoping the result of these peace talks is that the US declares war on ukraine

>>513141228
Germany has the ability to float the roughly $28 million a day this goes on?
Ukranian pensions and Govt paychecks alone is like 200 million a month.

Wonder if they'll finally stop buying Russian oil

>>513141625
>Germany has the ability to float the roughly $28 million a day this goes on?
yes

>>513141524
>Russia wouldn't need to negotiate peace like this if that were true.
Trump sent Witkoff to Moscow to beg for this meeting. Get your facts straight.

>>513138873 (OP)
Will Trump have the political courage to stop aid to Ukraine when Zelenskii refuses to comply?
He's already caved once
Will Trump cuck out again?

>>513138976
this 100%.

>>513141524
You still don't get it and you're operating on a fairytale delusion. You have no say in the matter. You can't repel them, it's far too late. You can't beat them. You will never take back Crimea. So use your fucking head. Look at reality. You negotiate, because you have to respect the enemy strength. Don't respect it ok then go down into the pit of hell but don't come crying to me. Life isn't fair, you can't win every battle with a "no u", that's just pure ignorance and not even a strategy. You are not capable of nor evil will be capable of creating “consequences”. You would share them too. It’s over. Fighting is done mate. Stop arguing like a child does with their mother.

>>513141524
>Russia wouldn't need to negotiate peace

throughout history, wars have typically ended with peace treaties.

>>513138990
This. Donetsk, Luhansk, and Zaporozhia all lawfully decided to become part of the Russian Federation. The military of the Ukraine and its associated terrorist organizations are illegally occupying it.

>>513138873 (OP)
It's peace between Russia and America. Trump is giving up resources in Alaska so (you) don't get drafted into the artic meatgrinder
That'll be canadas job since we can't stop kissing Ukraine ass

>>513141789
>So when Russia shows up and says they want something, you just give it to them? Isn't it better to create consequence and resistance to that action so it doesn't become common?

>>513141793
That's true. Do you think Russia will sign the "we're sorry, we'll leave and never do this again" deal before they leave?

>>513138873 (OP)
Because the USA is fighting Russia using ukies as cannon fodder. No need for zelensky to be there

>US and Russia "unilaterally" decide war is over and Putin gets all the taken territory in exchange of providing the US with resources
>Manlet jew and europe would seethe uncontrollably at these news
>Europe would be too much of a bitch to do anything that goes against the US anyway
>All ukranian war gibs are removed overnight and trade blockades put in place if they don't accept these terms
Theoretically speaking what is stopping this from happening?

>>513141946
>"we're sorry, we'll leave and never do this again"

they just won though. your sanctions failed to produce the desired outcome. its pretty obvious at this point. on battlefield russians have the upper hand. take the L.

>>513139801
>a dumber, more narcissistic Putin. His affinity for Putin is that Putin exemplifies callous, amoral politics of power to which he aspires.
That’s 100% accurate.

>>513142097
How did they just win?

>>513138873 (OP)
Only those with cards are allowed.

Ukraine's President Zelensky brought this war upon the good people of Ukraine. Zelensky should be remembered as one of , if not the most, ruinous traitor to his nation in human history.
Zelensky campaigned on building good relations with Russia. The Ukrainian people wanted to have good relations with Russia.
There is no reason Ukraine could not have facilitated trade between Western Europe and Russia. Vladimir Putin wanted to build an economic zone that extended from Spain through western Europe to China and southeast Asia. This Euro Asian trade bloc threatened the current Anglo American centered trading bloc that Europe now suffers under. This is why those that control the Anglo American economic trade zone always work toward the destruction of Russia and chose Ukraine as their hammer. This is why the people that control the Anglo American economic trade zone installed the homosexual jewish actor Zelensky.Unfortunately, for the people of Ukraine, Russian mettle is proving stronger than the hammer NATO chose to attack Russia with. Ukraine will be discarded and forgotten as soon as it is no longer useful to the global homo demons.
Zelensky had the Ukrainian army treat the people of the Luhansk and Donbass regions so poorly that they formed militias to defend themselves.
After the Russian populations of the Luhansk and Donbass regions signed mutual security agreements with Russia Zelensky ordered the Ukrainian army to continue artillery shelling of these populations.
Zelensky was promised by western leadershe would be a historic heroic figure if he defeated the Russians in a war.
This war is so tragic in itself. Even more so when you consider that Ukraine could have been a lynch pin in an economic trade zone that extended from Portugal/ Spain through France and Germany all the way to China and the southeast Asian countries.

"You fucked up. You trusted us."
-Biden Administration US Secretary of State Antony Blinken

>>513142022
he'd be accused of colluding with russia, something he's been trying to avoid dealing with for quite some time.

still a lot of anti-russia sentiment especially in the GOP

>>513138873 (OP)
He's a puppet, you'll understand eventually you poor dear girl. It's precious and adorable that you found your way here to seethe though.

>>513141700
Will Ukraine continue not to see what needs to be done?

Everyone is sick of the cokehead rat cunt begging for handouts

>>513143094
>he'd be accused of colluding with russia
I don't think lefties ever stopped these accusations, they have been seething and kvetching about this for so long it has driven everyone to exhaustion to the point most people just subconsciously filter it out.

How is shitkraine supposed to wage a war with somebody else's arsenal unless we keep giving it to them?

>>513138873 (OP)
>jewish chutzpah the sweater

>>513138873 (OP)
Because Ukraine is just a pawn. They don't really have any power.