Thread 513155759

Why shouldn't we raise the minimum wage to $20/hr?

Minimum wage is currently most useful as a tool for demonstrating how terrible inflation is.

>>513155759 (OP)
So lets see, wagie works 40 hours a week, so that is 800 dollars every week. If the wagie works 50 weeks a year then it gets paid 40k dollars a year.
Then you have to pay 12% of income tax of those so you end up with 35k.
35k a year is shit. You wont starve to death but you better not get sick.

>>513158973
>just 12% income tax
LOL
What about
>state income tax
>Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA)
>social security tax
>Medicare tax
>property tax

>>513160577
Why the fuck people want to live in California?

>>513160940
It has nice weather
That's it

>>513155759 (OP)
Minimum wage should be at 125$/hr right now at current inflation

>>513155759 (OP)
Why stop there? Why not 100 per hour, 1000 per hour. Surely bigger numbers will have no consequences, right? Why don’t we pay 10,000 an hour and work one hour a month? Let’s switch to that system and see how things go.

>>513160940
The weather and the scenery. What they won't tell you is that the coastal regions are the worst part. Every single part of that state has perfect weather most of the year. Whatever that means to you, California has it. The Mormons are wrong, but I can't blame them for thinking the Southwest United States was the Garden of Eden in Genesis.

It's the most perfect place on Earth, and it's been overran and raped by jews. I don't hate California, I just want it to be saved.
>. from the midwest and been to California 10 times, all over the state

NUMBER 12

>>513160940
bro you say that like we don't have >40% income tax and then 20% VAT on top of that in most of Europe

>>513161221
>Minimum wage should be at 125$/hr right now at current inflation
This. When was it ever historically normal for free people to have both parents and possibly an oldest child work to avoid homelessness?

>>513161334
True. I was a homosexual liberal when I went there with my boyfriend in 2013. We went to SF Pride and it made me realize how bad liberalism is. Never again. California is probably the biggest drain on the nation's culture. Every retarded idea comes out from there and NYC

>>513155759 (OP)
Mass deportations would solve wages peace retard

>>513158973
This is how I know 90% of you never worked a job when you think 20 an hour is 35k take home pay a year. Cut that in half and it’s accurate. 20k take home a year.

>>513155759 (OP)
Burger king foot lettuce.
The last thing you'd want in your burger is somebody's foot fungus.
But as it turns out...

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>>513161375
https://youtube.com/shorts/-iN1Cxembi4?si=98qlwDeka1jmtYt5

there's no such thing as a "we" in USA. this is a capitalist, staunchly individualistic hyper isolated consumer society

>>513161931
So extremely gay and homosexual

>>513162043
Opposite

>>513161733
>20k take home a year.
That's pathetic. My AutismBux and bennies come to more than that and I don't have to do menial labor and grovel to Shlomo for the privilege. I have a CS BS that should pay six figures but I dont know the right dick to suck to be a member of that club.

>Why shouldn't we raise the minimum wage to $20/hr?

High school economics

https://fee.org/articles/5-reasons-raising-the-minimum-wage-is-bad-public-policy/

>The potential benefits of higher minimum wages come from the higher wages for affected workers, some of whom are in poor or low-income families. The potential downside is that a higher minimum wage may discourage firms from employing the low-wage, low-skill workers that minimum wages are intended to help.

>If minimum wages reduce employment of low-skill workers, then minimum wages are not a “free lunch” with which to help poor and low-income families, but instead pose a trade-off of benefits for some versus costs for others. Research findings are not unanimous, but especially for the US, evidence suggests that minimum wages reduce the jobs available to low-skill workers.

RIP burger king foot lettuce guy

>>513162127
>ID: JeW
It is gay and homosexual, and it's wrong.
America was not founded on the principles of a "mememe" attitude, that came with the boomers and stayed because the kikes turned our country into a hyper consumer hellhole where everyone hates each other. It wasn't meant to be that way.

>>513155759 (OP)
rookie numbers, make it a million dollars an hour and we can talk

>>513162354
It was the answer to collectivism. Japan thrived because they are superior introverts with higher grey matter until boomers forced them to devalue their currency with socialist Jewish policies
I wish we were still hyper individualist and escaping religious persecution as now the satanic pope rules the world and uses stasi gang stalking spies to watch our every move.
Jeets are watching little girls shit through their eyeballs
You only get that with communism

>>513155759 (OP)
>Number 15
>Burger King Foot Lettuce
>The last thing you want is someone's foot fungus in your Burger King burger....

>>513162154
>Low skill people MUST work for their homelessness
>No indoor living for low skill
>Because
If it isn't worth paying a living wage, it isn't worth having done.

>>513162501
No, let's do ten cents an hour instead. The stock market will love it

>>513162138
>I dont know the right dick to suck to be a member of that club.
Maybe try sucking a lot of dicks? Worked for me, and I never got AIDS

>>513155759 (OP)
Cost of living and minimum wage should be intrinsically linked. What use is more money, if more money is taken from you.

>>513162562
What is the cure to get rid of those floaters?

>>513161846
lol

>>513155759 (OP)
if you raised it to $80 that would be on par with what boomer teenagers were paid

>>513161221
Everyone who advocates for a livable wage goes to the lake of fire.

>>513161733
41,600 before tax. 77k nz dollars. You don’t appreciate how good you have it, especially if you’re not working a very hard job. That’s very decent money. Everyone “loses” part of their income, doesn’t mean you aren’t working off a decent base.

Why shouldn't we get a real job?

>>513155759 (OP)
Because you fucking nigger-faggots screeched for $15/hour and our current state of fucking bullshit is a direct result of it. Throwing more money at dipshit morons doesn't make them work harder, it fills them further with grandiose delusions of shit they dont deserve.

I'd spit in your fucking face if we weren't separated by glass and distance.

>>513163848
that image is full of bullshit.
But you can't really get rid of actual floaters, which are nothing but pieces of your own cells floating around the gel in your eyes. Extreme cases they can vacuum some but for the most part, thats just life, son

>>513164233
>Why shouldn't we get a real job?
Find a definition of real job that doesn't just mean being born to the right parents.

>>513164312
>Throwing more money at dipshit morons doesn't make them work harder, it fills them further with grandiose delusions of shit they dont deserve.
Like indoor plumbing, eh?
>Do not redeeeeeeem

>>513163848
Cataracts surgery. Where they basically dissolve the vitrious gel and replace with an artificial lens and solution on the eye.
Or a tag laser but that's temporary because floaters are just pieces of protein of the retina that detach.
> T had them my whole life

>>513155759 (OP)
Raising the minimum wage is a bandaid solution which fails to address the fact the economy is fundamentally flawed in it's design and structure. Instead, we should start killing all rich people, killing all landlords, killing all bankers, and reorganizing all businesses as worker cooperatives.

>>513164389
Tell us what you do for work now and how much you're earning. If nobody is willing to pay you more now, what makes you believe they'd hire you if some act of congress forced them to pay you more than the value you can provide in exchange?

>>513155759 (OP)
that should be a 5 year sentence at least

>>513155759 (OP)
everytime you raise the wages the prices increase on everything from rent to gas

>>513155759 (OP)
>they deserve a raise

>>513164322
>>513164555
Vitrectomy, they drain the eye and replace the fluid but it's relatively risky so curing floaters is just a useful benefit but never the main indication.

>>513164633
>I've never heard of minimum wage but it can't possibly work even though it's been around for more than a couple weeks
I know you are arguing the best that you can. Good job!

>>513164719
Make it illegal for prices to increase.

>>513164719
>everytime you raise the wages the prices increase on everything from rent to gas
Also every time you DON'T raise the wages, the prices increase on everything from rent to gas.

>>513160940
A government that actually serves the people?

>>513164935
How can anyone possibly think that California's government "serves the people"?

>>513164863
What are you suggesting, capitalism is reaching the end game?

>>513164742
>>they deserve a raise
Better trained people do command greater pay. Did you think labor was just a service owed to the wealthy?

>>513160940
geography and weather. Zero other reason, literally none

>>513163848
Potassium iodide
https://educate-yourself.org/cn/How-to-Stop-Electronic-Harassment-via-Nano-Fungal-Infection005jun17.shtml

>>513155759 (OP)
Why shouldn't we just lower the prices of good services and resources?

>>513165068
>What are you suggesting, capitalism is reaching the end game?
Decoupling currency from anything tangible isn't and never will be a guiding principal of capitalism.

>>513164851
They could if they wanted to, but they don't want to so they won't.
The feds made price-gouging illegal with the stroke of a pen.
The pen is no longer mightier than the sword when that pen is wielded by treacherous cowards.

>>513165150
Capitalism doesn't have "principles". It's just about making money for rich people.

>>513155759 (OP)
Because we should actually be raising it to $35-40/hr. at this point based on increases in cost of living, inflation, and growing wealth inequality

>>513164935
>serves the people
Yeah, fucking medium rare to foreign interests on a silver platter.
Hasbin Newscum is a fucking reptilian downy.

>>513155759 (OP)
they've given all the money to Sonic, right.. this guy blew up the moon

>>513165235
>It's just about making money for rich people.
It's about exchanging money. When it becomes one sided, it's more "slavery" than "negotiated work units".

>>513162562
Found the Jew

>>513165323
>It's about exchanging money
In such a manner that it gradually accumulates in the hands of a richer and richer ownership class.

>>513164312
I think most people just say "living wage" which means enough for a single adult to afford a place to live, afford food, medical, and miscellaneous things that allow them to advance economically (going to school or training). 15 is just an arbitrary number to catch up with the stagnant minimum wage at the time but it made for a good rhetoric. I think today the living wage number, while it varies per state due to cost of living, is over 22 dollars but as you push 2 adults (like a spouse) and children the number rises above 25 up to around 35 dollars. But I think that value is still quite contestable since it's just some vague online statistics and calculators giving those numbers.

>>513164719
A study found that a 10% of increase to wages is about a .4%~ price increase. Arguably the consumer spending increases which would offset those increases for businesses and reduce the need for public assistance reducing taxes and less government spending

>>513165150
Very simply put, income isnt keeping pace with expenditure, and hasnt in some countries, for decades. How does that end

>>513155759 (OP)
Why not $30?

>>513165506
>Very simply put, income isnt keeping pace with expenditure, and hasnt in some countries, for decades. How does that end
At the stage we are at, the transition back to livable arrangements has historically not avoided bloodshed. For example, the French have discovered exciting ways to negotiate when other means failed. From the guillotine to sailing out with rich kids and coming back empty, there are negotiation tactics that can return power to the laborer.

>>513155759 (OP)
>its just lil harmless shoe cleaning desu
Based, everyone should try it during work houurs.

>>513165140
price fixing is illegal

>>513165548
This is how minimum wage works
>Make minimum wage 20 bucks, ruins the life of everybody making 20 bucks an hour
>Make minimum wage 30 bucks, ruins the life of everybody making 30 bucks an hour
on this basis, you need to increase minimum wage to a level that hurts the people screaming for minimum wage to increase

>>513165894
Doesnt stop them fixing them the other way though

>>513160577
checked
>employed
>get fucked by income tax
>unemployed
>get fucked by FUTA
Is this why men keep dropping out of work?

>>513165915
>There needs to be a wide spectrum of employment that doesn't cover the cost of living....
Fun story.
If it's worth paying someone else to do, it's worth paying them a living wage. If the dollar is failing like it is right now, that means quite a few dollars per hour.

>>513165062
>how do you think a government that is constantly stepping on the neck of greedy coporations/kikes and raising wages isn't for the people??
Late-stage capitalism really is a mindfuck. Like, are you niggers really for low wages and monopolies?
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-technology-california-decoded-preview/2025/04/18/california-finally-beats-big-tech-in-court-00298056

>>513162138
Well you’re sucking someone’s dick to get welfare money

>>513164625
>and reorganizing all businesses as worker cooperatives
Nothing stopping people from starting worker cooperatives right now. Or can they not compete and people won't want to shop there compared to the alternative?

>>513166154
I understand some people believe that employment should cover the cost of living, you are wrong but I understand why you do. Why do I say you are wrong? For two very simple reasons.
>Raising minimum wage increases cost of goods and services. So if your salary goes from 7bucks to 20bucks an hour your buying capacity does not change at all.
>Now that minimum wage is 20 bucks an hour, people who used to be able to survive when it was 7bucks are now just as broke as those people making 7bucks back then.

the reality is that the same people insisting that a salary should pay a "living wage" will scream like banshees when robots replace useless people.

>>513164851
Shortages, empty shelves. Look at any photo of a soviet grocery store. Even look at what happened with price controls during the French Revolution.

>>513166808
>Nothing stopping people from starting worker cooperatives right now. Or can they not compete and people won't want to shop there compared to the alternative?
Apparently paying less than minimum wage is a popular thing for construction work. Hard to compete with illegal labor. Only reason they are accepting such low wages is the wal mart strategy. As soon as they dominate a market, prices go way the fuck up. By then, the town is a shithole. Ever been to a California town called Salinas? I used to do construction there because the illegals were charging waaay more than their normal rate.

>>513166904
>prices go up when wages go up
You are forgetting that prices go up even when wages don't. I assume on purpose. Because you'd rather pretend to be right than actually notice something about the world around you.

>>513167196
Prices go up, that is called inflation. When things are looking good that is less than 2% per year. Most people with skills get a wage increase every year that is somewhat related to inflation and we try to survive.

If you increase the minimum wage from 7 to 20bucks you are adding that cost to inflation, giving every salaried employee a significant cut in earning power. For those people who used to be able to afford to live on 20 bucks an hour this is devastating.

Of course you will just come back and say that minimum salary should now be 30bucks an hour, or try to pass a law saying that prices can't go up, that rich people can't leave. Then when we are all starving you will say that real communism has never been tried

>>513165150
The real root of the problem is fractional-reserve banking. It helps the rich get richer, keeps people indebted, devalues the currency, makes debt and not equity the primary method of finance, creates boom/bust cycles, etc.. It got started in Italy in the late middle ages, by the prominent banking families, such as the Medici. There is nothing wrong with the free-market economy, but when things go wrong people blame the wrong causes. More socialism as the solution is only a bandaid and doesn't fix the problem. It is hard to cure a sick person if you don't accurately diagnose the cause of their illness. What we need is 100% Reserve banking and a currency that can't be created out of thin air in unlimited quantities. Ironically, when equity and not debt becomes the primary method of finance, the equity, i.e. stock ownership, allows for the people to *actually* own the means of production. That thing the Marxists claim to want, but under their rule all you get is the government owning the means of production "in the name of the people", which of course is bullshit.

>>513168027
>Prices go up, that is called inflation. When things are looking good that is less than 2% per year.
So you don't need me to tell you this, good.
>If you increase the minimum wage from 7 to 20bucks
How long was it 7? Did you read what you typed earlier where you seemed to understand that inflation was a real thing?

>>513168027
>tfw it doesn't happen
Anon, you're this close to calling corporate kikes, "job creators."

>>513162354
right

>>513168396
yeah, california is a great example. Instead of increasing costs they just fired 18k people to keep prices the same

>>513155759 (OP)
This is why I dont eat at Burger Kang anymore

>>513166422
>flag
You should know about sucking cock, Cletus. The South is full of steers and queers and you don't look like a steer.

>>513168631
And yet BLS' actual numbers...
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/08/20/icymi-after-raising-minimum-wage-california-has-more-fast-food-jobs-than-ever-before/
I'm clearly bad at math, so what is the percent of 18k "estimated job loses" to the 750k+ current, fast food workers in Cali?

Get rid of usury and rent seeking and you can get rid of minimum wages.
Then manufacturing in western countries would be competitive again.

>>513168782
They have begun to erode my faith in monarchy

>>513155759 (OP)
robot burger flippers coming soon. the tech is getting cheap enough to make it feasbile for them to do it.

Man, if I worked at Maccas I would wank in the toilet, put it in a small cup, and cook the patties on grill using my semen

>>513155759 (OP)
You faggots are all about giving out undeserved raises when you're not person that has to pay them.

>>513165423
Cope.

>>513155759 (OP)
min wage is useless. the "official" min wage is $7.25 in the USA right now, but no one would ever work for it because it is way too low. even $15/hr is too low now in most places. no one can live off of that shit.

>>513170389
the problem is $20/hr is a lot to pay for many employers but it is kinda low to live on in many places, so it is a low wage regardless of what you think of it

>>513155759 (OP)
too soon
RIP Foot Lettuce

>>513165915
how does increasing thee wage of a single small sector devalue your currency? who is devaluing your currency? how are they devaluing your currency?