Thread 513163484

you might be thinking, "is it time for this thread again"? awww yea it's a great time for this thread again
The black line is the extent of the territory Russia says is rightfully theirs. How will the war end? I think
>Russia gets all of Luhansk, WHAT THEY HAVE in Zaporizhia and Kherson, and Crimea
>Russia will trade all territory it owns in Ukraine outside of the 4 oblasts for the rest of Donetsk
>Ukraine gets EU membership, help rebuilding, security guarantees, but NO NATO
>Russia gets sanctions relief, allowed to rejoin international institutions, and a trade deal from the US
>a peace keeping force will patrol the DMZ (should be a non-NATO western force)
I don't think a ceasefire will happen, but an armistice will happen followed by a step by step deescalation. Why would Russia agree? So they can get most of what they wanted without more death. Why would Ukraine agree? So they don't lose more men and infrastructure and because they are told to.

>>513163484 (OP)
It'll look like this.

>>513163484 (OP)
Putin is a retarded sperg who acts like a shitskin peace

>>513163484 (OP)
Just think of all the deals Russia will make in Africa in exchange for “manpower” after this

>>513163541
UR GAY

Lisbon in two more weeks

>>513163515
Nah zapo. All of it. was what was voted on.

>>513163594
Yeah Ukraine only gets the highest tier of cartel members.

>>513163756
Russia will clearly never get the other side the river in Kherson, they have to accept they're not getting the totality of the 4 oblasts. They'll get 100% of Luhansk, near 100% of Donetsk, and like 75% of the other two. For all the sanctions reliefs and other economic incentives, and recognition of their gains, it's a fair deal.

>>513163484 (OP)
oops, I meant to have this as the OP lol, I posted Stinky instead.

>>513163484 (OP)
>The black line is the extent of the territory Russia says is rightfully theirs
How so? It was illegally annexed, not rightfully joined.

Russia will not make take any more significant portions of land. They struggle over tiny patches of farmland and face frequent setbacks even at that.

They will almost certainly never take enough of Luhansk to drive the Ukrainians from the Oblast's capital, and they 100% certainly will never cross the Dnieper river to retake Kherson. They simply do not have the means to do this, else they would have done it already instead of throwing away hundreds of thousands of lives on pointless costly warfare over a few miles of bombed out villages of no value.

Ukraine has absolutely no reason to ever agree to any ceasefire or other peace with Russia, for the simple fact that Russia would betray it, as they betrayed the original treaty they promised to preserve Ukraine's independence and sovereignty. There is no reason to believe anything Putin promises. If he negotiates a peace it is only to prepare for war. Ukraine cannot afford to ever stop fighting because it simply gives Russia time to rearm and rebuild its stockpiles to resume the war on their terms.

>>513165344
>They struggle over tiny patches of farmland and face frequent setbacks even at that.
Which is why I think they'd absolutely settle this without 100% of each oblast. And I genuinely don't think Russia cares to take anymore of Ukraine, if they did they'd still be trying across their border.

>>513163484 (OP)
Putin would never go for it, unfortunately

>>513165833
He proposed most of it ffs

>>513163484 (OP)
>>Ukraine gets EU membership, help rebuilding, security guarantees, but NO NATO
>>Russia gets sanctions relief, allowed to rejoin international institutions, and a trade deal from the US
>>a peace keeping force will patrol the DMZ (should be a non-NATO western force)
what level of cope is this?
west has no industrial capacity left to resist any more than unconditional surrender

>>513163484 (OP)
>>Ukraine gets EU membership, help rebuilding, security guarantees, but NO NATO
I'm not willing to be part of that. Ukraine can fuck off, and I want cheap energy from Russia

>>513165993
Dumbest comment in this thread.

>>513166208
I hate to break it to you bro, but it seems you'll be part of it regardless.

nafo trannies are still having these pity parties among themsevles trying to convince each other all is well?

>>513166320
pretty much. putin is on board with the trilateral meeting with zelensky and trump to try and end the war, and the war will end without a total collapse of russia or an escalation to WW3 so they're mad

>>513163484 (OP)
THERE IS NO DEAL UNTIL THERE IS A DEAL

>>513166391
I'm talking about you, tranny. You are posting nafo tranny delusions

>>513166682
what? in what way is anything I posted nafotard delusions? it's a fair fucking deal. The cope of Ukraine driving Russia out and retaking Crimea is nonsensical, but thinking Russia is going to take all of Ukraine is equally silly.

>>513166682
Unable to not think about transsexuals for 5 minutes. That's an unhealty obsession.

>>513163484 (OP)
>Ukraine gets EU membership, help rebuilding, security guarantees, but NO NATO
>security guarantees
>but NO NATO
So Russia will give a security guarantee after violating another security guarantee to invade Ukraine

>>513163484 (OP)
>Why would Ukraine agree? So they don't lose more men
but isn't that the main objective?

>>513165344
Russia doesn't want more Oblasts than the obvious ones. They just want to retake control of their buffer zone politically and ideologically install their puppet and fuck off everything else is IRRELEVANT why are americans so painfully retarded?
Ukraine's reasons or feelings about this do not factor in the equation because they fucking lost.

>>513163484 (OP)
> Ukraine gets EU membership
They don't even meet the minimum requirements. It's neither legally possible nor practicable at this point. They would need many years to get ready for this.

>>513166307
Read: UK seeks to prevent a ceasefire by provoking Russia with the prospect of NATO troops deployed in Ukraine.

>>513163484 (OP)
>you might be thinking, "is it time for this thread again"?
no, after reading the first few words of your thread I'm actually wondering if I have entered a gay bar by accident

>>513167378
exactly lol
>>513167142
I keep seeing this posted by Europeans, but also that EU leaders want it. I don't really think it's a sticking point for Russia so that's up to you.