Thread 513168288

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6txKGaVXo
A new bioethics paper makes an extraordinary—and deeply disturbing—suggestion: that a dangerous tick-borne allergy could be considered a morally beneficial tool.
Parker Crutchfield, a bioethicist at Western Michigan University, argues that alpha-gal syndrome (AGS)—a meat allergy triggered by the lone star tick—might function as a “moral bioenhancer” because it forces people to stop eating meat.Let’s be clear: this is an argument for altering people’s biology without their consent, on the premise that it’s “for their own good.” That’s not public health—that’s moral authoritarianism wrapped in medical jargon.
Framing moral disagreement as a public-health problem turns dissent into a disease. Claiming covert programs “protect autonomy” is absurd; autonomy is the right to know and choose, not the privilege of being secretly manipulated.
And once we normalize the idea that an involuntary condition can be morally “beneficial,” we open the door to engineering those conditions—ticks, viruses, even foods—deliberately.The ethical line is bright: No covert moral bioenhancement. No biological coercion. No pretending that secrecy serves liberty.
The moment we let morality be manufactured without our knowledge, we’ve stopped cultivating virtue and started producing compliance. And that’s a path no free society should take.

robert sapolsky made a similar argument
>lets put something in the water to make people less aggressive

USAID ran out so now they are trying to drum up support for CIA bioweapons as a last ditch effort to get white people to stop eating meat.

>>513168288 (OP)
>give you an allergy
>we're enhancing you to eat bugs!
they really really hate the fact the average man can enjoy a steak so much they'd explode the entire planet.

>>513168288 (OP)
Is this some lesbian psy-slop?

>>513168288 (OP)
These fuckers never stop and think.

For every nasty thing in the word, there exists various ways to counter it.

This shit is countered by wild sage and wild oregano.

Homo sapiens became Homo sapiens by eating a little of everything, including the remains of once living things.

Human brain became complex and needs the stuff it used to make it complex.

>>513172840
Stop typing lol. Stop trying to prove (to whom anyway?) that they are wrong with arguments. They are all objectively psychopathic control freak monsters. Spend the energy casually researching where we can find such creatures at this point. I already wasted time typing this, hypocrite that I am. But in short the time for debate is over. Unless it's about the ethics of cannibalizing "bioethicists."

>>513168288 (OP)
>suggestion: that a dangerous tick-borne allergy could be considered a morally beneficial tool.

May I suggest a lead vaccination as a preventative measure to stupid suggestions

>>513174708
I could not agree more. This is the moral thing to do.

>>513174875
And don't forget the booster shot

>>513168288 (OP)
>—

>>513168288 (OP)
he deserves the rope

>>513174708
It's more morally correct to turn them into fertilizer to grow the second most space-efficient foodstuffs, corn, to then feed to the most delicious foodstuffs, cows. That way they get thoroughly recycled - I don't want to risk catching whatever prions cause someone to become a "bioethicist".

>>513168288 (OP)

'Morality' is a construct.

In reality we as a species need as many options as possible.

I wouldn't mind being able to photo-sythesise direct sunlight and had green skin. as long as there were no side-effects.

Why? more OPTIONS

taking away OPTIONS isn't life or 'morality'. it's a little death.

Here's the actual paper for those of you who aren't illiterate:
https://philpapers.org/archive/CRUBBI.pdf

He begins with the assumption that eating meat is morally wrong, explicitly stating that he will make no justifications for this claim as he assumes the reader is already aware and agrees with the arguments as made in other papers.

He makes a distinction between a "violation" and "infringement" of rights stating that an infringement can be justified while a violation cannot. He then uses compulsory vaccination as an example where he simply assumes the reader would agree such an infringement of bodily autonomy is not a violation of rights and then extends that to AGS infection.

So his syllogism basically goes:
>we are morally obligated to reduce meat consumption (taken as axiom)
>there is nothing morally wrong with innoculating people with a non-lethal disease that prevents bad outcomes (taken as axiom)
>therefore compulsory inoculation with AGS to reduce meat consumption is a moral obligation (inescapable conclusion)

He concludes this argument holds in all logically consistent moral frameworks and so any attempt to argue against this in inherently unsound.

>>513172413
Tick bites you and you get meat allergy, utterly convenient, isn't it?
Yes, the first cases registered were around a bio-lab, but that has to be a coincidence.

>>513170816
He makes that argument because he is a retard that thinks morality is an illusion to be reduced to an interpretation of humanity as meat machines. And not only meat machines, but meat machines that must bow down to the most basic ass bitch notion of hedonic utilitarianism, guided by his wisdom and that of the state and intelligence agencies, of course.
Even accepting his perspective on human nature, his non-consensual approach is myopic and naive, or incredibly evil.

>>513179133
Holy fuck... that is incredibly retarded.
It would be better if they just said "we want to control what you eat because we have the most profound totalitarianism is store for you" instead of this retarded disguise of morality. They really think pain is the ultimate moral compass. They never thought beyond hedonic utilitarianism, and seem eager to make humans into cattle, blurring distinction between humans and other animals, as if personhood was only about feeling pain and pleasure, at least for the cattle.

cant even find that famous quote by Frédéric Bastiat about how the social planners are al lthe same. the most i can find is like 8 words of it. i think the rest of it hit close to home and it was scrubbed from the internet

>>513179358
You're getting your conspiracies mixed up. Lyme disease was was discovered like 10 miles from a biolab along the East Coast. AGS was discovered because some patients were having allergic reactions to some cancer drug and it had already been noted in several states by the time the cause was identified.

>>513172413
it's a mind virus, the only way to control you animals
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibz-gPkTMDM

>>513168288 (OP)
plum island doing that against our organs

>>513179681
>They never thought beyond hedonic utilitarianism
Nah, you underestimate the hubris here. He genuinely believes his argument holds across moral theories.

The final paragraph:
>Importantly, the Convergence Argument is not necessary for it to be pro tanto obligatory to promote tickborne AGS. Our argument is intended to satisfy philosophers of different normative persuasions. If any of the converging moral theories is adequate, then some argument can be made for our claim. Our argument is perhaps stronger than it needs to be because all it takes is for one of consequentialism, rights‐based deontology, or virtue ethics to be an adequate first‐order theory. For example, if we relied entirely on consequentialism, one might object to our argument on deontological grounds. The Convergence Argument avoids that objection.

>>513179824
found it in some essay
>Start with the idea that society is contrary to Nature; devise contrivances to which humanity can be subjected; lose sight of the fact that humanity has its motive force within itself; consider men as base raw materials; propose to impart to them movement and will, feeling, and life; set oneself up apart, immeasurably above the human race – these are the common practice of the social planners. The plans differ; the planners are all alike”

>>513168288 (OP)
Now do the clot shots causing congenital sterility.
Like not eating red meat is going to save the planet.
And you know they really want to save the planet.
From over population.

>>513179681
Here's the "Convergence Argument" he's referring to as it appears in the paper:
>1. If x‐ing (A) prevents the world from becoming a significantly worse place, (B) doesn't violate anyone's rights, and (C) promotes virtuous action or character, then x‐ing is strongly pro tanto morally obligatory.
>2. Promoting tickborne AGS (A) prevents the world from
becoming a significantly worse place, (B) doesn't violate
anyone's rights, and (C) promotes virtuous action or
character
>3. So, promoting tickborne AGS is strongly pro tanto morally
obligatory.

>>513180254
>From over population.
and all they had to do as nuke india and africa
but nooo lets kill whites instead

>>513168288 (OP)
And what is beta incel syndrome?

>>513177977
Feeding cows corn makes them prone to parasites and basically turns the entire herd into biowarfare because of all the antibiotics and steroids they need to digest the stuff without completely contaminating the meat with salmonella or any of a multitude of digestive diseases.
Grass fed is beef. Anything else is goy slop.

>>513180315
India and Africa will return to the hovel of death they came from one we're gone.
We turned this world into one filled with mass consumers.
Once AI and automation is up and running, they can get rid of all of us that keep the lights on and live in paradise with a minimum of maintenance and security staff. .
They're literally that short sighted.

>>513180393
feeding cows grains basically gives them early onset hypothyroidism causing them to gain weight faster. Grains are junk food for most livestock, it makes them fatter faster and in some cases like chickens they will straight up die if you give them access to too much grains.

Supposedly way back when farmers were trying to figure out how to fatten up pigs asap they tried mixing in saturated fats like coconut oil byproducts and it made the pigs skinny and energetic.

>>513171884
> USAID ran out so now they are trying to drum up support for CIA bioweapons as a last ditch effort to get white people to stop eating meat.
You will own nothing goyim.

>>513180143
Holy shit. That is even more retarded then.

Going by your summary and quickly skimming the paper, all that is being done there is sneaking consequentialism in one of the axioms ("bad outcomes").

They are also just pretending they are not blatantly going full special pleading with their retarded infringement/violation distinction.

The "convergence argument" is just consequentialism rebranded to make it seem like it incorporates the other metaethical perspectives.
It weighs consequences (preventing worse outcomes, rights, virtue) and draws obligation from that balance.

For example, deontologists who hold that certain actions (like non-consensual biological intervention) are forbidden regardless of outcome will reject consequentialist logic. Even if you achieve good ends, using morally impermissible means is unacceptable.

>>513180304
A is entirely dependent on their first retarded axiom regarding eating meat being bad. B is also very obviously false (see bodily autonomy). C is also false because virtue is not attained devoid of prudence (practical wisdom/phronesis), and the coercive aspect of the fucking evil measure proposed completely bypasses any need for prudence/practical wisdom.

How is this a paper taken seriously? Singer and Crotchfield should be fucking lynched.

>>513168288 (OP)


STOP USING CHAT GPT AND WRITE YOUR POSTS YOURSELF. its so lazy and annoying

>>513168288 (OP)
>>513170816
>>513171884
>>513172173
Chlorine Dioxide cures Alpha Gal Syndrome btw

>>513168288 (OP)
>it’s another evil cabal of cartoonish Masonic twats seek to create man-made horrors within comprehension to create a decent fake of the real threat waiting to eliminate them to fool many episode

It’s eugenics, deliberate shitification, not to demoralize but to make you susceptible to false hope, that which can be manipulated and is far more dangerous than the expectation of no help coming.

This is how Satan works his way into your trust. By destroying shit you’ve been gaslit into hating under reframed moral pretenses that refer to Gods law. Just so he can fuck you over later.

>>513180682
WEF BIOWEAPON HAPPENING

Alpha-gal syndrome is a type of food allergy. It makes people allergic to red meat and other products made from mammals.

>In the United States, the condition usually begins with the bite of the Lone Star tick. The bite transfers a sugar molecule called alpha-gal into the body. In some people, this triggers a reaction from the immune system. It causes mild to severe allergic reactions to red meat, such as beef, pork or lamb. It also can cause reactions to other foods that come from mammals, such as dairy products or gelatins.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/alpha-gal-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20428608

YOU WILL EAT THE BUGS GOYIM

https://x.com/treblewoe/status/1952724669758374289

A WEF bioethicist wants to genetically modify humans so they become allergic to meat.

https://x.com/thehealthb0t/status/1945116130546246077

His name is Dr. Matthew Liao in case anyone's wondering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Matthew_Liao?wprov=sfla1
https://x.com/smatthewliao?lang=en

>>513180393
Where do you retards pull this shit from?
Yes, there are objective benefits to grass fed beef. But nothing you say in this post is remotely true. Cows have zero problems digesting corn. They digest it so efficiently that it makes them blow up like a blimp which is the reason most cattle, even if they were fed grass their whole life, are finished with a diet that includes corn.

>>513179133
I wonder if he realizes that by suggesting this he has made it morally right on all levels for him to be dealt with in any way necessary. He's ontologically evil.

>>513168288 (OP)
And the vaxxed cunts are gonna die easily to this shit.

>>513180868
Their guts do blow up like a blimp retard, and not in the good, gaining meat kind of way.
The best cattle, the best meat, are grass fed cattle, with silage mixed with oats in the winter so they get a good warm meal and put on 3-4lbs a day without worrying about bloat.
You trust the science, so I'm guessing you're also clot shotted.
How many injections do you think a steer raised in a feed lot with a corn diet gets before its 'finished'?
Go on, guess.
Boost up, you fucking retard.

t- old rancher used to feeding steers from a silage mixer in -40° weather and still watching them gain like it's July on the prairies.

>>513181144
pair D's of truth

>>513179133
I would ask the bioethicist that if there was a cure, wether it would be ethical to withhold it from the patient. That nullifies the whole premise as preventing the infection would be preferable to curing the allergy.

>>513180868
My grandfather would raise a beef cow every year. He’d feed it corn mixed with molasses and broken chocolate from the local Hershey’s factory. It was the best beef I’ve ever eaten.

https://www.americandairy.com/dairy-diary/cows-upcycle-candy-meals-into-nutritious-milk/

>>513181098
> He's ontologically evil.
Yes. It’s very simple.

>>513181151
>Their guts do blow up like a blimp retard, and not in the good, gaining meat kind of way.
The vast majority of cattle ranchers disagree with you and know by observation you're ful of shit.
t- Someone who immediately distrusts retards who anonymously flaunt their "credentials" on the internet for asspats.

>>513181303
> I would ask the bioethicist that if there was a cure, whether it would be ethical to withhold it from the patient.
>bioethicist
It sounds like a bunch of pilpul to rationalize tyranny. Typical kike mind virus.

>>513181353
You do realize that molasses was the key there, right?
Your telling me your grandfather never let the animal graze, just fed it from a bucket with a steady diet of molasses, corn, and chocolate?
Do you fucking idiots even know what a feed lot is? What the mass production and processing of meat looks like?
You're too much of a child to know this, but the tastiest meat comes from the happiest animals.
If you raise the animal like a pet, give it treats and have it eating out of your hand, it won't have any fear (you know, the emotion that fills a mammals blood with a wave of natural and powerful chemicals strong enough to turn the meat to something resembling a hard wood) in its blood when you put a bullet in its brain or cut its throat.
Fuck I hate stupid city people.

>>513181521
You know a bunch of ranchers do you?
You should ask how many of them eat their own cattle, or are sickened by the prospect and buy their beef from the store like everyone else.

Mad cow turned the cattle/ranching industry into simple business, instead of a heritage way of life.
None of the ranchers finish their cattle. They sell them in October and let the feed lots finish the last 500 lbs of weight gain, as quickly as they possibly can, using the highest sugar content feed they can, corn, and by using steroids and antibiotics to mask the ill effects that diet has in the animals constitution, knowing full well the animal won't livelong enough for the catastrophic systemic failure that occurs if you do that for more than 4 months.
.
I don't give a Fuck what you think of my 'credentials'. I know you're a piece of urban shit larping on the internet who's never even touched a cow, never mind shot one you had raised as a pet and then ate it over the next 6 months, so are oblivious to what the best meat actually tastes like.
It tastes like love.

>>513180826
Onions green is people.

You know, Pol Pot may have been an insane, bloodthirsty commie, but he was right about "intellectuals."

>>513168288 (OP)
By publishing it they're outing themselves as enemies to individualism? Individuals need to band together and GET THESE GUYS!

>>513168288 (OP)
RED meat allergy

they will eat more poultry and rabbits and stuff like that (dogs. cats?)

>>513170816
>>lets put something in the water to make people less aggressive

to the enemy, and invade them afterwards

>>513168288 (OP)
>>513179133

tl;dr
> "We want you to starve to death when we move the goal posts from animals, to plants, to synthetic lab food made from rocks."
> "Then we'll get you to stop eating the rocks."

A saintly child warned about the food making us sick in the future

>>513183488
>to the enemy, and invade them afterwards
Chek'd adolf. You are the enemy to the oligarchs.

>>513168288 (OP)
But will it stop OP and his mother from sucking cock???

>>513168288 (OP)
>because it forces people to stop eating meat.
Incorrect.
It only stops people from eating non-human red meat

>>513182622
>one intellectual is bad
>therefore all intellectuals are bad
Mega retard alert

>>513180790
>universal antidote
I remember when colloidal silver was the universal antidote kek
>2.57m
Sure but that's Rumble bro, they don't take down anything but porn

>>513184337
so... you're saying if we actually chimp out we should actually.. eat the rich..? i mean ok i can do that imagine israelis watching americans literally eating kikes on live tv while they still writhe at the end of our kike empire's lifespan

>>513184854
colloidal silver works so fucking good. Just use the gel

Bump

>>513174875
>>513175498
>>513180682
seriously
we need a course correction where people suggesting this stuff are publically flayed and have maggots allowed to eat their flesh alive

>>513181521
>The vast majority of
>No source
FUCKING JEJ

>>513180781
My bad. I copied it from the youtube video, faget

Stop calling them bioethicists. They are bioterrorists. A bioterrorist is someone who calls for the use of biological means to alter human behaviour.
For example, someone who advocates for biological modifications to make humans allergic to red meat is a bioterrorist.

Parker Crutchfield is a bioterrorist and President Trump should have the CIA black-bag him and kill him somewhere out in the Pacific ocean. Parker Crutchfield is a bioterrorist and needs to be killed before he can carry out crimes against humanity.

>>513168288 (OP)
>disables you, even kills you
>bioehancer?

>>513172840
yeah like drawing and quartering their families in front of them.

>>513184111
>synthetic lab food made from rocks
lmao as if. they're gonna scrape the grease out of industrial factory scrubbers and feed it to you.

Let's actually murder Parker Crutchfield and that other guy.
I'm serious, it's morally correct, and God would want us to do it.

clanker thread

>>513168288 (OP)
leave it to academics to squander time and resources on the creation of the most frivolous fantastic masturbatory unactionable bullshit the human mind can muster.

>>513168288 (OP)
they forget that therre is one source of meat we can still eat.
human.
why do they create the tools of their own destruction?

>>513170816
>wants to brainwash a population to be more subservient and weak
>(((sapoisky)))
You don't say

>>513180826
It's terrifying how believable that bait is.

>>513168288 (OP)
>bioethics
The fakest and gayest field in all of science. Morality is an evolutionary adaptation subject to natural delection and anything philosophy cooks up is analogous to the mutant abominations caused by radioactive fallout and chemical spills. Any biologist worth their salt should reject the entire notion of ethics or philosophy as a field of study. Just let it develop naturally like it has for millennia.

>>513168288 (OP)
I think all ticks should be genocided.

>>513168288 (OP)
The illness even even done being bio engineered yet, they can only get it to last for a short time and people can overcome it faster by reintroducing meat to their diet.
For some reason they are telling doctors to get people off healthy food forever though.

>>513180359
Posting on 4chan

>>513170816
>>513168288 (OP)
>lets put someting in the mosquitos too

the era of kike bioweapons is here

>>513172173
depopulation is the point. the endgoal is reducing population

>>513168288 (OP)
OK so now we get mandatory bio enhancements? Future sucks

>>513186831
>>513184854
Silver as an element is proven to be antibacterial though, and is used in expensive gaus and bandages, especially in burn victims in order to fascilitate healing through dry yet anti-bacterial effects.

It makes you wonder though, as silver isn't really used in any form of cellular or molecular interactions, yet still accumulates in the body it could be considered a heavy metal.

What if, the lead exposure back in the day through fuel additives and paints, inhibited the immune system to a degree where autoimmune diseases such as allergies weren't as common.
You always hear about people from that generation talking about how nobody they knew had allergies, and how since the 70-80's to today there has been an increase in allergies and other relatively minor autoimmune diseases.
Of course, lead has been shown to be detrimental to your health, but that's beside the point that it might have had an inadvertently positive effect.

And for those saying people were more exposed to animals/plants etc. that give allergies before: The human body does not "learn to accept" foreign molecules and proteins as "not a threat", it only decides with enough exposure and possibly by error, that something is bad. So with constant exposure, you will become allergic to something eventually. And it is shown that people with hyperactive immune systems (multiple allergies or autoimmune diseases), are more prone to developing additional allergies through cross reactivity or mere chance.

>>513194944
Oy vey dats antisemitic!

>>513196050
I became less allergic to cats with exposure immunitylet

>>513168288 (OP)
wow fag nice fag talk fag

>>513197381
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>>513196320
>bioethics

>>513183488
no, to the goyim