Thread 513195598

So you're telling me we have 9 billion people on Earth, all this advanced technology, and yet everyone has to work?

Things should be handed to you, you need money
>here's some money
you need a house
>here's a house
you need food
>here's some food

Imagine a planet when these basic things are taken care of for you so you can evolve
"""""Work"""" nowadays makes no sense (menial basic forced labour that is)

Houses are basic goddamn human right

>>513195598 (OP)
>give me free shit
ok commie

>>513196386
into the gulag for conspiring against United Earth

>>513195598 (OP)
This sounds like commie bullshit anon.

>>513195598 (OP)
>people need to work to provide me things for free so i don’t have to work for them
jews and indians will always be pro-slavery…

>>513196568
we should strive towards a society where work is obsolete

>>513195598 (OP)
>and yet everyone has to work?
Not really, it's just that the people at the top don't want us to have enough free time to really think things through because that could lead to dangerous outcomes

>>513196605
honest work builds character. you wouldn’t know since your people have never done an honest days work in their entire history regardless if you are a jew or indian, and you are a jew or indian.

>>513197025
maybe the future is some sort of communism system, who knows, but it's sure as hell unnatural to force people into jobs they dont want just because they have to "survive" this is a very very flawed system

>>513197104
nobody wants "honest work", nobody wants work, yet everyone has to participate in that charade
one day people will revolt against that you'll see

>>513195598 (OP)
Gib me...
So I can evolve by playing GTA VI, watching anime/netflix and doing hobby which has value mostly for me like 99% of yt channels with 15 petty subs

>>513197288
this is what people want to do, it's natural, give it to them

>>513197158
reality requires that you work in order to provide yourself with food, shelter and heat etc. communists have done more forcing of people into job than anything else.

>>513197283
you’re just shameless and lazy. i bet you’re a big fat fuck to boot

>>513197385
>YEAH DUDE I CAN'T WAIT TO WORK MY ASS OFF THIS DAY MAN
said nobody ever, people want to do what they want to do, not what somebody forces them to do

>all these system enablers
wow

>>513195598 (OP)
>you need money
>>here's some money
Do you even understand what money represents, you dumb nigger?

>>513196386
>all living beings should suffer for the right to exist
kys subhuman psycho

>>513197385
>i bet you’re a big fat fuck to boot
This kind of sentiment always come from skinny, lanky guys who can't gain weight and look sickly all the time. Stop projecting your hatred for yourself onto others.

>>513195598 (OP)
God made it for all of us.

>>513195598 (OP)
Many many, MANY people don't work.
Royalty
There's way more royals than you think
Old money
Oil rich people
Qataris
Most women
Niggers

>>513198270
No, the majority of the world hates fat fucks because it is indictive of your lack of self-control (weakness). Put the fork down, tubby.

>>513195598 (OP)
ask the merchant banker lawyer judeomasonic talmudic cult of baal east india co descendants

thats right acquire those targets then you see change

>>513198599
artists also don't work

>>513198200
sometimes. no suffering or hardship makes weak faggoty man-children and useless women

>>513195598 (OP)
society only works like it does because the millionaires keep stealing your work's surplus value for themselves. if we lived in a stateless and classless society, we would of course still have to work, but much, much less. the current system spawned hundreds of fake and gay jobs like the "office worker" or "broker"

>>513199238
profit is a cancer

>>513195598 (OP)
ESL GPT
Paid shill
Troll
Flamer
Ragebaiter
Faggot

I shit on old school communism and capitalism equally

look how much misery communism brought us, look how much misery capitalism brought us, both failed systems but in who's the bigger retard competition, capitalism wins because

>>513199321
it is. the working class has been brainwashed to actively work against its own interest. most people are either the system's useful idiots or ussr worshipping retards that don't understand their favorite cuntry was merely another capitalist one, just with the power being even more concentrated, the government owning all the means of production. we're quite literally living inside the fucking matrix, and until we destroy the system, everyone who got brainwashed into serving it is our enemy. hoch die anarchie.

>>513199655
based, fuck statist ideologies. i cannot imagine why marx believed a worker-governed state will just dissolve on its own when it's not need anymore.

>>513199480
namefag can't physically tolerate the fact that people with opposing opinions exists, shits pants and spams thread with useless retard slop. post a credible argument against a stateless and classless society or gtfo

>>513195598 (OP)
Who builds the houses or farms the food? What do they get in return if everything is free?

>>513200204
they don't get to be the masters of others that for sure. You can build houses, GOOD, build the fucking house and fuck off, you're not better than anyone else

>>513200257
Why would you develop the skills to build if they're just going to be used as a punishment?

>>513198200
Says the subhuman parasite lol

>>513200440
you develop these skills naturally, for your own satisfaction, from your own curiosity of things.
You're builder good, build. but dont expect to be treated better than others because of it.
See this is the problem, people trying to be above others. In a perfect world this should not exist. It's called greed.

>>513195598 (OP)
Not everyone has to work that is where you are wrong, many losers live off your tax dollars as neets, many wealthy people exploit their neighbors with low wages, many landlords who don’t contribute anything

Lots of people don’t work as it is, this current system is chalk full of financial niggers

>>513200440
it isn't exactly "everyone gets equal pay, no matter if you dig roadside ditches or fly a plane", that's a complete myth. you do your job, and in return you get access to stuff that other people do/produce. if your job is important enough, or you're doing it well enough, or both, other members of society will reward you for it with additional commodities. that's the basic anarchist social contract. we call it a "gift economy". humanity has used it in the past and it's the reason why giving people stuff and making them happy feels good. communism is hard coded into your brain.

>>513195598 (OP)
>Things should be handed to you, you need money
>>here's some money
>you need a house
>>here's a house
>you need food
>>here's some food
this does actually happen if you aren't white though

>>513200204
$14 an hr is what they get to build homes :D

>>513200731
executed for being greedy capitalist. die.

>>513195598 (OP)
Why do you need money or shelter or food if you wont work?
If you wont sustain societ, why should society sustain you?

>>513200799
It’s illegal to quit participating in society, that’s how you get free food and shelter via jail

>>513195598 (OP)
>memeflag doesn't understand economics
woah no way

retard doesn't understand how sage works

>>513196198
>Houses are basic goddamn human right

They arent tho
Plus you need people to build the homes
I know you want magical robots to do this but we simply dont have that

>>513198270
Hurt dogs holler. We’ve got a fatty!

>>513200922
the capitalist economy is literally made up you fucking idiot

>>513200969
build the homes then, what's the problem? oh you want to be better than others right? you think you will build house and in return you will own me

>>513200870
>free food
>free shelter
>free exercise
>free work
>free stab wounds
>free anal (receiving)

>>513201044
>build the homes then, what's the problem?

Supplies and labor costs seems to be the usual drawback

>But its my human right to get one at Christmas!

>>513200558
>In a perfect world
There's your problem. Building is hard work and requires compensation
.>>513200712
So you still have to work. Only your compensation is specific and dependant on the person you do the work for.

>>513201207
>So you still have to work. Only your compensation is specific and dependant on the person you do the work for.
nah. like i said, we strive for a social contract, not a contract between individuals.

>>513195598 (OP)
By forcing lots of peopke to Work you secure your power .
Simoky because they will be occupied with their survival and not be able to challenge you for the power.
Simply you reduce significantly your own competition for the power to run the state and society.

>>513201324
That type of system can work in a small primitive commune but doesn't scale up to a societal level in modern times.

>>513195598 (OP)
HURDURR BECAUSE THAT'S SOCIALISM YA FUCKING COMMIE.
I'M 92YRS OLD AND I HAVE 4 JOBS YOU LAZY BUMS! BE A MAN!

>>513201538
>be a man
be a retard

>>513195598 (OP)
Is it 9 billion already?
You want fully automated luxury communism. It's only possible when human nature changes from being about pursuing your self-interest to the collective interest.
This change is likely impossible. I am not inherently opposed to communists though. It's good to shoot for the stars.

>>513201207
>Building is hard work and requires compensation
It is a hard work but it doesn't require compensation.

>>513201385
Absolutely. When too many people become rich a society falls apart. It's called elite overpruduction.
Poor people are not a threat to the existing order, the middle class can be though.

>>513201676
*in a traditional capitalist sense

>>513201676
your mom doesn't deserve compensation. i dont care how hard she works

>>513201676
you are moaning about doing work but you expect others to do it for free

>>513199850
The workers dig the coal up and give it to their masters who tell them "its ours to sell back to you."

Money fucked up everything. We should have set an universal trading system in which every person starts to learn what's going to be their profession when they become teenagers, based on a pool of necessities.

Food, leisure and technology would be the same for everyone. The smart ones would be automatically associated to develop science while young and would become teachers at old age to share knowledge.

Every citizen would receive land and a comfortable house as soon as they get married. Really strict laws would be observed and anyone not complying with them would be "terminated". Jails would not exist because every crime is sentenced with death. No second chances: if you're not fit to live with us, you will not.

No one would accumulate wealth, no one would be poor, and that by design.

>>513202102
based

>>513201899
thats because it is. the worker didn't pay for the mine and voluntarily agreed to do the work for an agreed upon amount of pay.

>>513195598 (OP)
>you need a house
>>here's a house
>you need food
>>here's some food
who do you think is gonna build houses and produce food. (hint: you are, you retarded nigger. get back to work)

>>513202102
Your fantasy world is just that, a fantasy.

>>513202102
>The smart ones would be automatically associated to develop science while young and would become teachers at old age to share knowledge.
i'm a lazy sexpat. i'll consume sex, ensuring that surpluses of virgin teen girls don't build up and choke the system.

>>513202102
>universal trading system
thats what money is. saves lots of fucking around.

>>513202762
crime against the humanity
loveless, anti-christian posture
executed.

>>513202697
Yep I agree, it's utopic, humans don't work that way. But I bet there's plenty of planets in the infinite universe where society works that way and their inhabitants have no idea about the concept of "money".

>>513200729
Yeah, but it's fixable.

>>513202288
How does anyone own the earth?
Because a person has money they can buy it, how did the seller own it.

>>513203851
by force. If you don't do what I tell you, I will kill you

>>513203851
perhaps he settled that land. cleared it, increased its value and usefulness. theres nothing wrong with people owning land anon. its better, in fact.

>>513202940
>kill anyone that disagrees with the system to ensure a utopia
what if we genetically engineered/brain-damaged everyone so that they worked as hard as possible solely to benefit society, without seeking any personal gain? in theory, that could create a perfectly collectivist system.

>>513204028
that would be great

>>513197104
This is slave brain washing. Stockholm syndrome shit. You know what builds real character? Being able to express your true nature as a creative being on a planet of abundance. All of our basic needs can be met working a few hours tops a day. Food water and shelter don't require 40+hrs a week to procure

>>513204028
of course, communists were always centrally about trying to change human nature. but nothing works, hence the universal increase in force and violence which is a fundamental part of all attempts at communism.

they are all anti human misanthropes who love death and murder. in another word, evil.

>>513204000
To the point where they exploit people who do not own any. No.

>>513204989
>waah i want my free land
>gimme free stuff, i deserve it!!!
nobody is exploiting you. you can buy some land if you want.

>>513204856
When my grandfather was young he was promised a utopian future

When my father was young he was promised a utopian future

When I was young I was promised a utopian future .

>>513195598 (OP)
What did you do TODAY, to earn your place in this overcrowded world?

>>513205184
I will be honest, I literally thought how to change it or how to leave it (forever)

>>513198200
Those who don't want to work shouldn't eat

>>513205072
Not against generational wealth.
This country's government even sells things off to foreigners with no right or legacy here

>>513204028
>maybe if we do some impossible shit, we can get impossible shit done
The best description of communism I've ever seen. It truly is a religion for the godless.

OMG no one has ever thought of this before and im sure we've never tried it where have you been all this time YOU NEED TO TELL THE WORLD

>>513205272
Why not?
Our king eats best food of all, he does no real work.

>>513205342
he's buck broken by capitalism, he doesn't even know what he doesn't know

>>513205142
theres always some lying scam artist will tell you that shit anon. they just want power over you.

>>513205282
i dont think its ok to sell the land off to outsiders though, so we agree on that.

>>513197158
Capitalism is extremely flawed and exploitative but communism is worse.

Under capitalism you can choose your slave driver.
Under communism the slave driver chooses you.

>>513197104
I've done years of honest work and it does fuck all for your character fuck you boomer

Wrong flag hehe

>>513205607
You get to choose your master, that is the great difference..
They are both shit systems.
I would like smaller communities of around 200 maximum who are a lot more self controlled and self interested, free from religion and isms and less open to outsiders.

>>513196198
The treatment of shelter as commodity instead of necessity and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>513205900
>They are both shit systems.
Agree

>>513195598 (OP)
“Here’s a house…here’s some food”
Who made your food and built your house faggot? And why should they do that for free?

>>513195598 (OP)
My nigger if you can’t see that each thing you asked for required copious amounts of human labor then you are functionally retarded

>>513205993
What if everyone was paid in date stamped tokens?
After 6 months they become invalid.

>>513206223
then he would cry and pout he can't get rich
>waaaaaaah I'm a house builder why can't I build my house building empire?!

>>513206468
His empire would be the thanks from grateful people, pure philanthropy.

>>513206716
but obviously he doesn't want that, he wants control over others, this is capitalists game

>>513206847
You can't always get what you want.

>>513195598 (OP)
Sorry, this is a slave planet.

>>513195598 (OP)
There's also a bunch of dragons hoarding most of the wealth.
Ad the dragons are protected by the king, and defended by the peasants.
"Maybe if I defend the dragons hard enough, they'll notice me." the peasants think.
But the dragons never do.

>>513195598 (OP)
This is bait but this is unironically what socialist niggers believe. They seem to think goods just materialize out of thin air, that no one has to actually produce things.

>>513195598 (OP)
White people are waking up to the economic realities of globalization. Now you must live like I do and say goodbye to your boomer era bubble of plenty.

>>513195598 (OP)
>you need a house
>here is a house
you wish, retard