Thread 513229535

Take it or leave it.

>>513229535 (OP)
What happens if I leave it?

>>513229535 (OP)
leave

>>513229610
You die

>>513229728
Together with another million Russians.
I am just saying that this changes the attractiveness of leaving it for many people.
It's a strange world we live in.

>>513229535 (OP)
Don't care. This was the last issue I cared about, and it's over. I only care about the destruction of the USA, now, and advocacy of ideas that hasten this eventuality. We literally are ONLY a force of evil now. Completely comprehensively. This was the last chance to do something BASED.

>>513229535 (OP)
Russia won't take that deal.

>>513229893
For Puccia it's existential. They're not fucking around. If it be like that, it do.

>>513230108
They're the ones proposing it.

>>513230130
ok pajeet

>>513230434
For a ceasefire. They definitely won't take that deal for Ukraine getting into nato

>>513229535 (OP)
absolutely pathetic for three years of fighting

>>513229535 (OP)
No.
The war has to keep going until every ukrainian woman has left Banderastan and every ukork male is in the meat grinder.
For democracy and capitalism
Slava.

>>513229535 (OP)
give me russian bride

>>513230519
What about the biolabs and de-nazification though? When did the war become just a land grab instead?

>>513229535 (OP)
This is the deal.
Take it or leave it.

>>513230130
>For Puccia it's existential.
For Putin you mean.

>>513230813
>he fell for the Russian propaganda
If you haven't noticed, Russia has been increasingly dropping points from "their reasons of starting the war". Since they can't just outright admit it's been about a landgrab, they had to single out a #1 reason "why we attacked ukraine", and that ended up being nato membership because it's the most quantifiable one and doesn't sound schizo.
Problem for putin is, this effectively blocks him from any peace negotiations, because nato membership for Ukraine is the only non meme way they get security guarantees. But Russia now can't accept that, because remember? It's the whole reason why they started the war, and if they now say fine even the biggest retard in Russia will wake up and wonder what the fuck all this was for.
So putin is in more of a stalemate position than people think, negotiation wise at least.
For Ukraine it's a bit simpler: no security guarantees - no deal.

Giving Ukraine and Europe to Russia is a tough but fair compromise

>>513231143
>because nato membership for Ukraine is the only non meme way they get security guarantees
They already had security guarantees. One of the parties that guaranteed their security invaded them. The other party that guaranteed their security wants them to surrender to the party that invaded. And the rest of Europe spent 7 decades parasitizing their defense off that latter party and has no meaningful seat at the table and can only seethe and virtue signal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

>>513231230
Russia need to be given what it cannot take by force, don't they?

>>513231383
that was a perfect example of a meme security guarantees because the signatories of the Budapest memorandum basically wrote down "we pinky promise not to hurt Belarus Ukraine and so on (or else what? Lmao)"
NATO membership literally has a military reaction from all members to one member being attacked codified. Which is why Ukraine wants to get into so badly, NATO is the most powerful and effective military alliance in its history simply because of this "all for one" rule (and because of the US)

>>513229535 (OP)
Art of the deal.

Ukraine and zelenksy won. Bigly.
Putin wanted kyiv by all means but trump duped him into accepting only a tiny small fraction of land that serves no purpose whatsoever.

This is a great win for Ukraine and it's leader.

Thanks Trump

>>513231726
>NATO is the most powerful and effective military alliance in its history simply because of this "all for one" rule (and because of the US)
Let's be very honest: It's ONLY effective because of the US...and to a lesser extent the French and British nuclear arsenals. That's all there is too it now, though Poland does have a decent conventional military these days.

>>513229535 (OP)
Let me ask you a question. Why can't I create clones of myself without consciousness to serve as a compatible DNA organ donor?

>>513232211
Because of your low IQ and consequent inability to do so.

>>513229598
Actually, just genocide this part

>>513231726
They didn't even say that. Look at the actual wording. It says if Ukraine is attacked, they'll bring it up with the UN Security Council.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

>>513232256
Fair enough.

>>513229535 (OP)
Why would russia gain some land they dont even control? They can take it for a small price of another million dead

>>513229535 (OP)
Not my problem

>>513231230
A modern Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Russia gets Europe, America gets Canada and Greenland

Its better that Germans experience mass rapes from Russians than Syrians and Africans. Might even increase their birthrate as well

>>513232477
Maybe Putin thinks he can pull a fast one on Trump?

>>513229923
>self hating American wants his own country to be destroyed
Cringe. Just kill yourself. If you hate America and Americans, then kill yourself and you wont be an American in America anymore.

>>513231726
>NATO membership literally has a military reaction from all members to one member being attacked codified
not necessarily

>>513232717
Russia's getting the Russian majority chunk of Ukraine. The rest will remain US vassals until the current stewards of the EU either get beheaded by jihadists or the French.

>>513231419
>The lines are gonna stay the same forever or Ukraine will retake territory
Tard

>>513229535 (OP)
This is the only map that makes sense.

>>513232358
Foi xingado mas ganhou um (you) de gringo, ficou feliz. Por que todo bozoloide nazipardo é tão cringe?

>>513233357
No Odessa?

>>513233357
It makes more sense for them to hold on to Kiev and Western Ukraine than Odessa.

>>513233357
Russia should just annex Ukraine. The whole country is a demographic disaster and will likely become a failed state anyway

>>513229535 (OP)
It's not too bad a deal.. I mean they're going to take that land anyway in two years max

>>513233548
Better to dump that problem in the EU's lap and keep the gas and ethnic russian chunks.

>>513229610
The exact same outcome as on the map, but with half a million more dead ukrainians.

>>513229535 (OP)
Why the fuck would anyone outside of Ukraine or Russia give two flying fucks about this is beyond me. The only reason I can think of is so the US government can harass Russia with the help of Ukraine.. By putting fucking nukes at their border or something.

It would be like if Russia gave Mexico 300 billion dollars to host their nuclear weapons pointed at the US.

>>513232880
Imagine thinking you're responding to an American.
>>513233279
If Russia could take what it wanted by force, the negotiations would be unnecessary.

I actually do believe that the Ukrainian lines will collapse eventually. I don’t think Russia will have the manpower to occupy the whole thing however. I think they’ll take half the country (exact line doesn’t matter) and the rest will be a Belarus puppet.
>what about insurgents and loyalists?
I think a lot of Ukrainians will feel betrayed by the West and start shifting back to Russia. Or at least hate all of their leaders enough to not revolt for a while. Or the loyalists will all be refugees in Europe.

>>513233782
You clicked on this thread, typed all that up, and solved the captcha...fellow American poster from America.

>>513233782
the whole war was about a reason to split Germany from Russia
and countries like Pollackia were the willing participants
as usual

>>513233782
>Why the fuck would anyone outside of ukraine or Russia give two flying fucks about this is beyond me.

the west threw its economies in the trash for record inflation to fund this insane war
we all pay for it now, everyday

>>513233916
It's a pretty accurate analogy. We nearly started a nuclear war because the USSR tried putting nukes in Cuba. The neocon jews under Bush II and Obama fucked around and the ukrainians found out.

>>513233940
Why did Putin fall for it?

>>513232995
No matter what happened in this war, Ukraine lost its sovereignty and right to self determination. Either they'd be Russia's bitch, or NATO's bitch.

>>513233940
Europe + Russia would be a power to rival US hegemony and we can't have that, sorry Bernd.

>>513234034
How much does petrol cost in your American state anon?
>>513234080
I didn't read any of it fellow American poster from America.

>>513230853
kek, it’s just funny because 40% of Israel’s population is both of these fucking retards

>>513234203
>you're not american if you don't support pointless wars on the other side of the planet

If that's what "being American" means then I wish I wasn't. But here I am paying taxes to pedophiles to give to illegals and Palantir.

>>513229535 (OP)
For the amount of dead Russia gets an overland highway to Crimea?

>>513229535 (OP)
Ukraine lost victim status when they went into Kursk so I don’t give a fuck what happens

Every day President Trump reduces the chances of America getting entangled in the European shit show.
Before President Trump's inauguration, Americans were rightfully concerned that we were drawing close to a hot war with Russia.
We didnot even know who was making the decisions. Joe Biden was certainly not in charge. Kamala Harris was not calling the shots.
I do notcare what any no guns Euro faggot from Germany, England or France thinks.
George Washington warned future Americans about entangling alliances. The costs of these European "alliances" are not worth any small benefit America might accrue.
All of these Euro faggots immediately start squealing like a French whore as soon as Americans question where our money is going.
Fuck all of these no guns Euro faggots and their alliance.
The globalists want to grind Russia down with constant conflict. Now that Ukraine is spent they want to spend America's youth and treasure against Russia. The European politicians and EU bureaucrats are controlled by anti American globalists. These globalist controlled politicians and bureaucrats used lies and deceit in attempts to lure America into a war with Russia the American people did not want. America is better off distancing itself from those that try to draw us into war. America is better off without these "allies".

>>513234481
Dude you're fucking retarded if you think pissing off Europe is a good idea. They're harmless as our vassal, but European industry + Russian natural resources would actually be a threat at least on par with China.

>>513233782
The US needs to end the war in Ukraine so that it can focus on helping Israel.

>>513234082
billion dollar question

>>513234776
Jews need a backup Israel and they'd prefer Russia to kill all the locals instead of doing it themselves like in Gaza.

>>513232305
honest polish
these are the strange days

>>513234615
Europe is too buck broken to ever ally with Russia. Their only option is to ally with us. They are a cucked people. All of their type A ancestors (inventors, adventurers, warriors) left Europe for the New World years ago. All that is left are submissive cuckolds who hold endless discussions and feign any power. The European can’t even imagine leading the world again. They are of no threat to anyone.

>>513235036
>The European can’t even imagine leading the world again

Some still can.

>>513229893
defeat 4.5 million of a 750k force yet still losing territory? i'd fire you as a commander for being incompetent.

>>513229535 (OP)
leave it
what now

>>513235036
You sound like the kind of guy who said back in the day that China is too weak to ever pose a thread to us and will never be able to even rise to the level of the USSR never mind the USA. Things change anon and over time things change a lot.

>>513234080
Wrong
We nearly started it when the USA put nukes in Turkey in range of Moscow. That was before Cuba

>>513235036
The EU could never get passed the fact Russia has laws to keep faggots away from kids. There will never be true peace.

>>513232040
>Putin wanted Kyiv by all means
If they did they could have done that in 2022, you are believing US State Department fiction about wanting all of Ukraine when all Russia was demanding was Minsk 2 to be maintained

>>513232094
NATO is only effective against developing countries with no missiles, which is why Ukraine became their bitch

>>513232477
They do control it thouggkwtjh.

>>513229535 (OP)
>>513229598
I say Ukraine should fight on. And we give them all of Poland.

>>513236156
>I say Ukraine should keep leeching funds and weapons from the US and dragging people off the street to go be human shields

>>513235198
He's not even leading France

>>513236298
I say you should stay mad.

>>513229535 (OP)
Will that make russians any less subhuman?

Zelensky showing muscles: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8ZLdSY5wOxY?feature=share
I'm sure Putin will try to give more than what is requested now for sure.

>>513233940
Facts. People forget the metagame and argue about useless shit.

>>513229598
kek Russia totaly and unequivly unable to ever get past the Dnieper. With how slow this war is just imagine endless cycle of droned motor boats and failed pontoon bridges crossings

>>513236027
Why is Putin so scared of NATO then?

>>513235362
Who made China into the threat it is to America? Who has been trying to wipe Russia off the map for over a century? Who has completely infiltrated the US and destroyed it from within? The Anglo European Edomite filth ruling class. They are the true enemies of America. If we cutoff Europe and expose them for what they are China collapses overnight. This is the play.

>>513229535 (OP)
I thought they also want all of zapo-whatever and Kherson.

>>513232094
NATO does not have an unlimited supply of Bullet Sponge foot soldiers; only the US have that capability.

>>513229535 (OP)
it would be a suicide for Ukraine
Inside that region are the most fortified sectors of the Ukrainian army.
Putin can sign the peace deal and then shit on it and launch a new invasion

>>513229535 (OP)
It's either Russia takes it violently, or it's part of a peace deal. Either way Russia is getting the Donbas.

>>513233940
maybe you faggots shouldn't have tried to bypass us in your gas deals with Putin
now scheisse fressen

Totally cucked and shabbos goy pilled.

Europe will do well to build up it's own defense, get rid of the amerikike "alliance" led by talmudic prophecies, kick out the slimes and become the global powerhouse it once was.
The brits are free to either join in and deal with their rampant islamification, or yet again fight against the will of EVROPA.

I denounce the talmud, may Zelenski burn in hell. This is a wakeup call like no other.

>>513229535 (OP)
The war isn’t over until Moldover is liberated. Return Odessa.

>>513230519
I don’t think a country currently invading Moldova had any intentions of surrendering.

>>513239723
>Led by Rothschild
Lel no you wont

No. Until the last communist.

rake it and sneed it.

>>513232305
Genocide ? Count me in.

>>513238850
looks at this typical pollack gypsy
what has Germany buying gas from Russia to do with your shithole?

>>513241758
Polen will have higher gas prices ? Possible lower life quality change.

>>513242003
how so?
you already had your own pipeline with Russia since the soviet days
polacks dont even try to make sense