Thread 513230009

>>513230009 (OP)
i bet if we get rid of the babyeating demons
everything will be right as rain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYtNQ8izM0

>>513230009 (OP)
And leftists think Newsom is someone who'd make a good President. Imbeciles, all.

Sorry op we aren't allowed to to discuss any of the many issues the left has

This is a Meidas Touch owned board and we are only allowed to discuss Drumpf and he can't have the launch codes!

>>513230009 (OP)
So your argument is that higher pay is making people less willing to work? What are you, fucking retarded?

>>513230207
Imagine being this stupid.

>>513230363
No, sorry, I'm not imaginative enough to be a libertarian. I'm too grounded in reality. I assume your retarded fake astroturfed talking point is that everyone is going out of business due to higher wages, but isn't capitalism about competition? Shouldn't some fierce, brave, clever entrepreneur step in to take advantage of all those other businesses leaving?

>>513230207
>>513230503
Holy shit you people are idiots
Its fucking high school economics

https://fee.org/articles/the-case-for-abolishing-minimum-wage-laws/

>To truly help workers requires that politicians first understand why wages are what they are. When Sanders says that “there are only two ways for workers to win higher pay,” and then points to the minimum wage and labor unions, he suggests that he has no idea what determines wages. What determines a worker’s wage is the extent to which consumers want more of the things that the worker is capable of producing. One can’t legislate that a worker earn a living wage any more than one can legislate that a farmer grow enough crops to feed his family—and for the same reasons.

>One can’t legislate that a worker earn a living wage any more than one can legislate that a farmer grow enough crops to feed his family.

>>513230503
>Shouldn't some fierce, brave, clever entrepreneur step in to take advantage of all those other businesses leaving?
Yeah, AI tech companies will for sure.

>>513230692
You don't know high school economics. Libertarians destroy companies every single time they get a hold of them. There is no individual worse at capitalism on Earth than a capitalist.

>>513231636
thanks for bumping

>>513230009 (OP)
who cares, jews hurting more in the end because their overpriced properties sit vacant while fed jew still demand their taxes and payments.

>>513230692
If the company can only survive by paying its workers less than a living wage, the company cannot survive. Let it go under and let another company fill that niche instead

>>513231848
Agreed, better to import stuff made by Chinese slaves instead.

>>513231738
You're welcome. Ayn Rand died on welfare, btw.

>>513231636
How many libertarians are actual capitalists? 98% of them are piss-poor college kids, welfare NEETs, media addicts. They would lose their lolbert faith the moment they come into contact with real markets and real market actors.

>>513231848
NO THAT'S COMPETITION -uh- WHICH IS COMMUNISM!!!

>>513232267
more people should play bioshock

>>513232297
You all are, retard. That's why it doesn't work. Capitalism is just another failed false jewish religion for dipshit goyim.

>>513232267
>2+2=3
See? I can do it too. :)

On no, not niggerfornia, the home pedo hollywood, and the coastal progressive ideology that thumbs their noses up at actual manufacturers, while importing infinite non whites and making every child the gender they aren't, that's so sad.

>>513230009 (OP)
To the surprise of niggers, communists and reddit, all of whom have never taken a basic finance course and invest in pokemon cards instead

>>513230081
So your solution to everything is antisemitism?

>>513230087
Zero people here besides a few foreign invading spics vote for that retard. Everyone voted him out. But he's besties with the Dominion CEO. They made it illegal to hand count because it "would take too long" then they spent three months falsifying their own digital votes.
Mark my words: Gavin and his family will be tortured to death by we the people.
Nothing will stop this.

Test

>>513230009 (OP)
Yeah, it should be even higher, especially in California.

This has literally nothing to do with minimum wage and everything to do with the fact that the Bay Area is the global center for big tech, which is currently in the worst shape it's been in employment wise since 2008.
These companies are announcing new layoffs every few weeks. It literally brings up tech in the title of the article. How do people fall for such bait?

>>513230009 (OP)
>Maybe a $20 minimum wage wasn't such a good idea, after all
Should be closer to $80
And oh noes hamburger is so expensive it destroys tech industry lolzerlol

Actually, since the minimum wage is so brutally low, the wine industry in California is failing. When people have to choose between food and clothes, they are less likely to go on a wine tasting trip. The horribly low minimum wage is starting to take apart the California economy. Luxury items first, then eventually necessities. But oh noes don't give poor people a living wage, they'll just live off it or something.

>>513232364
Well you can't for long, since your kind are trying to destroy all forms of welfare.

>>513232783
We don't. All the "libertarians" are typing with their fat brown sausage fingers from a mossad base or Eglin.

>>513233023
>Actually, since the minimum wage is so brutally low, the wine industry in California is failing. When people have to choose between food and clothes, they are less likely to go on a wine tasting trip.
It's not just wine. Every week there's a new article from some boomer news outlet talking about how younger generations are "killing" another industry. Restaurants, bars, coffee, vacations, resorts, zoomers are getting blamed for all of it because of exactly what you said- they have no money and what little money they have goes to essentials, so the luxuries are the first thing that gets cut. Hell, wasn't pol filled with threads just a week or two ago talking about the article blaming zoomers for not going to Vegas anymore? It's the same shit and it's everywhere now because people are fucking broke

>>513231848
Yes, that's what's happening, so companies are failing and/or driving up inflation. At which point $25/hr is living wage, and the circle continues.

>>513233324
>At which point $25/hr is living wage
That point was an interesting part of history, but that was a long time ago.

>>513230009 (OP)
what the hell does the minimum wage have to do with tech companies? none of them employ minimum wage workers, they employ the oversaturated computer science majors, data analysts, and the like which are being fired left, right and center with the rise of AI

>>513230009 (OP)
Real unemployment, including those who gave up looking for a job, is over 25%. To keep up with inflation from when we left the gold standard, minimum wage would be over $100 per hour. We are living through a controlled demolition of Western society.

>>513230009 (OP)

AI and automation are replacing most jobs. This was predictable even before the AI revolution.

All a part of the Cloward-Piven strategy.

>>513231848
Welcome to globalism and boomer CEOs willing to sell out their own country for a percentage. In an ideal world, companies that can't afford to pay workers a livable wage would go out of business. But in the jewish globalist world in which we live, companies that can't afford to pay their workers a livable wage will simply outsource the work to a 3rd world shithole where they can profit off of slave wages and pay people pennies a day.

If unemployment is high in tech, why are H1Bs still being issued?

>>513233406
You've asked a basic, retarded question, but I'll answer it honestly so that hopefully you don't say something stupid like this again. It's a "rising tide raises all ships" thing. Minimum wage is the absolute floor, so when you raise that, wages across the board tend to rise as well as minimum wage creeps closer to what a business might be paying for an experienced worker

>>513230009 (OP)
>fast food workers getting payed 20 bucks an hour caused unemployment especially in tech.

You are retarded.

>>513233623

Jews.

-"Immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do" (despite AI and automation replacing most jobs)

-"Low birth rate" (see above. Who cares? AI an automation are replacing most jobs. Therefore a low birth rate is eugenic and positive).

When you run out of excuses you end up at the jew.

You're being replaced.

>>513233623
>If unemployment is high in tech, why are H1Bs still being issued?
Sounds like a riddle. But we all know the answer.

>>513231636
this guy wanted sears to die, he made sears sign deals where his company is the first creditor to be paid. He wanted all the sears land to sell, all while claiming to try and save it.

>>513233623
Cause you're still alive

>>513230009 (OP)
Then what should have been done instead?

>>513232783
>people
Implying those aren't bots

>>513233672
>so when you raise that, wages across the board tend to rise as well as minimum wage creeps closer to what a business might be paying for an experienced worker
Trade work where I am has gone up very little over the past THIRTY YEARS. Apprentices got raises because their pay eventually became illegally low. It's still lower than fast food minimum wage. But journeyman wages haven't kept up with those changes. Apprentices just make a higher percentage of journeyman wages now.

>>513233786
this is an IDF post and it pops up every few days or so

>>513233903
>I-I actually MEANT to destroy my company...because reasons...5D chess! You lose, commies!!
You sound like a fat glownigger pig.

>>513233264
>what little money they have goes to essentials
uber eats and weed aren't essentials

>>513230009 (OP)
Nobody in California tech is making anywhere near minimum wage. Tech layoffs are largely a continuation of post-covid downsizing.

>>513232665
Godspeed, brother. Let the socialists drown in buckets of piss.

>>513230009 (OP)
>see we have to pay you like third worlders or the economy falls apart

Never mind that an American man could support a family on minimum wage in the 60s.

>>513230692
>What determines a worker’s wage is the extent to which consumers want more of the things that the worker is capable of producing. One can’t legislate that a worker earn a living wage any more than one can legislate that a farmer grow enough crops to feed his family—and for the same reasons.
Curiously though, one CAN legislate that we MUST consume the services of banks or we MUST consume an experimental vaccine etc etc

>>513230009 (OP)
Minimum wage should be $50 per hour if you take inflation into account. Whether or not you support minimum wage which plays into the fact that we have a parasitical banking class that literally owns you is another matter.

>>513232165
Even better to criminalize imports and possession of chinese goods.

>>513230009 (OP)
>Tech is faltering
What the fuck do I

>>513230009 (OP)
there is a direct relationship between childcare costs and the minimum wage. The high the min wage, the higher the childcare costs. So pushing for a min wage is literally a genocidal policy because if people can't afford childcare they will have fewer children.

>>513230009 (OP)
Gav Newsom forcing the shutdown of Elon Musk' Tesla plant in Fremont and San Mateo area had caused a ripple effect and all these companies gave the middle finger to San Francisco for Austin Texas.
You can thank the Liberal PIECES OF SHIT that you voted for. I can't even drive into San Francisco anymore because the fucking streets off of Market are too fucking confusing. NO CARS ALLOWED

FUCK YOUR WALKABLE CITIES, TREE HUGGERS AND LITERAL FAGGOTS

>>513232783
So if you wanted to work in tech and now it's looking bad, what would you do?

Minimum wage should be tied to the cost of housing in the area. When it takes an absurd leap into the stratosphere, so do wages.

>>513234983
>Minimum wage should be tied to the cost of x and y blah blah
There should be no minimum wage to begin with. It's a direct violation of the natural market forces.

>>513234983
This is a horrible idea.

>>513235109
>It's a direct violation of the natural market forces.
So is not having a public use guillotine for unsavory business owners. Pure natural market forces have no room for lawful restraints.

>>513230009 (OP)
huh. 5.5 is not that bad, and that's the WORST?! , and tech jobs pay much more than minimum wage. Nice try.

>>513230009 (OP)
>5.5% unemployment
>brutal
you weak-ass coddled faggot crybabies haven't seen anything yet lol

>>513235239
Good point. Lampposts and whatnot.

>>513235366
whn it gets to double digits people will start revolting

>>513234718
I do work in tech. My recommendation? Stay the course.
You have no idea what will happen in the future, for better or for worse. Things could recover. Things could get worse. You could pivot to another field only to have that fall out from under you too. Do what you want to do and hope it works out.

>>513235522
>whn it gets to double digits people will start revolting
you don't do shit
you'll back the blue and uphold the constitution lol

>>513230009 (OP)
wages have nosedived compared to productivity and profits, thanks to corporate greed. Instead of legislating a minimum wage, they should legislate a rule whereby any executive cannot make more than 20x the pay of the lowest earner at the company. And that includes the total of all forms of compensation. And that includes everyone down to the janitor you hire to clean your garbage bins.

If they make 30k a year, (including bonuses, stock options, gifts, vacation, gifts, free tickets, etc) any exec cannot make more than 600k. When the rest of the profits have to go towards the business, instead of making a millionaire's bank account look pretty, you'll see companies invest, expand and grow, hire more people, prosper at never before seen levels and the economy start booming.

The dollar has lost half its value since covid. If you can't afford to pay your employees $10 an hour in 2019 dollars your business should fail.

>>513235699
People are complacent because even the "bad" times are still better than the rest of the world. When SHTF like a real mass unemployment, the people will be pissed

>>513235366
The US unemployment numbers are fake as shit. If you're unemployed for six months you're no longer counted as unemployed. The real rate is like 24%.

>>513235936
>The real rate is like 24%.
It should be higher (closer to 50%) as to allow stay at home spouses again. But for that, the pay needs to be renegotiated to sane levels.

>>513230009 (OP)
>5.5% is worst in the US
When accounting for EBT, SS, and other benefits for people under retirement age while including homelessness the unemployment/under employment rate is probably actually closer to 30% nationally.
And yet we still import infinite jeets. Our leaders and bankers (and their families alongside ANY zogbots that defend them alongside their zogbot families) deserve very painful consequences.

>>513235936
This. And it’s not including highly educated Americans working as uber drivers and minimum wage home depot slaves, which is underemployment.

>>513236218
>Our leaders and bankers (and their families alongside ANY zogbots that defend them alongside their zogbot families) deserve very painful consequences.

yes but you won't do anything apart from shilling for golden goy while he's just retarded 80 yo boomer who menaged to run casinos into the ground and now 'reforms' your economy.

>>513231636
Economics and management are not the same thing. A good manager is not a good economist, nor vice-versa.

>>513236611
I don’t even know wtf you’re talking about. Where did you even get this retarded strawman idea of me you glownigger?

>>513236634
Okay retard. Enjoy your overthrow.

>>513230692
>>To truly help workers requires that politicians first understand why wages are what they are
Wages are low because businesses can get away with paying low wages, so they do. Simple as
High wages require some kind of compulsion on businesses to force wages up, because the natural level of wages is as low as they can possibly be, since businesses exist to make as much profit as possible.
That compulsion can come from a tight market for employers looking for workers, so employers have to raise pay to get workers to work for them. It can come from the state enacting minimum wage laws.
Also, wages can be lowered by flooding a country or area with immigrants, and that's exactly what businesses want and they pay off politicians to allow illegal immigration and enable legal immigration in order to lower employee costs in pay and benefits.
Current wage levels are not just some "natural" phenomenon as though the market functions without human interference. They are the product of tons of politicking by businesses and their lobbying groups and their allied think tanks.
Before 1973, wages rose closely in line with productivity gains per worker, and that pattern existed for generations before 1973. Since 1973, productivity has skyrocketed per worker as wages have mostly stagnated. How did that happen? Is that the market functioning naturally, or without human interference? Or is that the result of deliberate decisions, among policy makers in both business and government, to smush the working classes for the benefit of people at the top of society?

>>513237137
My overthrow? You think people like me run the world? Lmao. It's retards like Trump who destroy the economy with tariffs or Biden who destroy it with a million other interventions. Putin who kills millions of people for a land grab legacy. They run the world.

Americans should be working for 1 dollar a day in order to compete with India and China.

t. MAGA Republican

>>513231848
>pay workers a living wage
>rent goes up by the same amount
>welp, looks like workers need another raise then!
>rinse, wash, and repeat until economic collapse.

>>513237533
>How did that happen?
computers. when you no longer need 100 accountants to do the books, you fire most of them and pocket the profit, not put them on full pay at one half day each.
so it was natural and decisions.

>>513232267
>collects social security that she paid into
>WHY IS SHE ON WELFARE IF SHE'S AGAINST IT?

>>513232646
That anon said nothing about jews. Why would you assume he was being antisemitic? He just said get rid of baby-eating demons.

>>513238013
if people aren't paid then they can't spend. that's economic collapse.

>>513238157
everyone knows who that is referring to

>>513234552
This guy gets it.

>>513238246
What do you mean? Are you saying that Jews are baby-eating demons?

>>513238038
>computers. when you no longer need 100 accountants to do the books, you fire most of them and pocket the profit, not put them on full pay at one half day each.
Except computers were barely a thing in 1973. Even by the 1980s, only people like high level national defense employees, bankers, some academicians working in technical fields, and other very technical workers were using computers. Computers didn't begin to revolutionize most industries until the late 1990s at the early, but mostly from the 2000s onward. Even 20 years ago the most that a lot of industries did with computers was have a webpage about their business. The computerization of everything happened well after wages decoupled from productivity.

>>513238471
even the calculator had an effect. solid state transistors were a big deal.

>>513230009 (OP)
No choice but to offer those wages unless they capped rent, cant live in CA even with 20 an hour if we're being honest

>>513238190
>if people aren't paid then they can't spend. that's economic collapse.
Greed grows and grows and grows until it becomes fatal to an economic system and to a society. As the Bible states, "The love of money is the root of every kind of evil."
Of course, greed is always in the background and there are always greedy people. Healthier societies control people's bad impulses and tendencies, including greed, but others too like infidelity, violence or aggression, and all the other negative traits that cause interpersonal damage.
Just a few decades ago, prices were set somewhat above the production cost per product or service, allowing businesses to make a tidy profit and consumers to have more purchasing power. That has changed. Now, pricing is determined based on how much consumers will bear to spend on a product or service. That change indicates a large increase in the amount of greed that society will tolerate without reining it in.
Since the 1980s, greed has not only become morally permissible, but even morally good or desirable as a trait to have and to act by. So society's brakes against green were not only disabled, but the gas pedal has also been stomped to the floor.
How do you fix this? Well, that requires a profound change in values and thinking that concern how people relate to one another and treat one another, basically, a major social and cultural change is required.
No idea how to pull that off
Christianity did a good job of it during the Christianization of Europe, and it took centuries for Christian ethics to become the norm in Europe, including castigation of greed and anti-usury laws.
It might take a dark age and the conquest of society by a new religion to change our trajectory.

>>513238694
>even the calculator had an effect. solid state transistors were a big deal.
Not a big enough deal to impact most industries until much later than the early 70s. That was still the analog era, which didn't end until around the turn of the century.

>>513230207
Many tech workers shamelessly brag about working only a few hours per week on a 6-figure salary while also complaining about the salary being too low, but ironically cry foul and engage in racist attacks when companies decide to offshore to get around their bullshit.

>>513230207
Higher pay means less jobs available and more layoffs.

>>513239500
>Many tech workers shamelessly brag about working only a few hours per week on a 6-figure salary while also complaining about the salary being too low, but ironically cry foul and engage in racist attacks when companies decide to offshore to get around their bullshit.
Yes, people who live off the fat of the land, especially those doing really well from it, would do better to keep it quiet and, especially, not brag about it.
I remember in 2020, some unemployed folks getting an extra $600 per week in unemployment benefits were boasting about it. It didn't take long for society to react and those benefits to be cut off.
People not pulling their weight while also doing very well for themselves will always be despised by society in general because they are much worse than just free riders, but major drains on other people. Only actively protected classes of people, like blacks and women and Jews, can get away with doing such things for very long, and of course, things can end badly for them too.

>>513230009 (OP)
These are the same people who brag about being educated?
Why does it come off as if they don't believe wage increases will be passed on to consumers by businesses? They seem to think that would only happen with tariffs, that it could never happen with higher wages or taxes.
Surprisingly, I have heard praise or criticism about $20/hour for a few months after it passed, not a word about in about a year.

>>513232665
Lol this retard has no idea what hes talking about. Newsom isn't loved but hes miles better than any GOP candidate California has had in the past decade. Turns out people like having things like healthcare and when Republicans bring a candidate wanting to get rid of that, they lose in a landslide. Its not that hard to wrap your head around.