Thread 513247592

It's obvious that once Russia takes Pokrovsk that they can move up the left side of the Donetsk oblast's border, and because they control the right side of the oblast's border move along its edge to encircle the rest of it. Russia would take all of Donetsk, no idea how much time it'd take but eventually they'd get it.
It's up to Ukraine. Would they rather save lives and make a peace deal to avoid more death, or arrive at the same end but with many more dead and more destroyed?
It's nafover, the war is over.

>>513247592 (OP)
yes just two more years until that happens

>>513247592 (OP)
>would they rather save lives
Beady Jewish eyes stare at you and wait for you to get it, OP.

>>513247647
It might take two years, but it'd happen.

Russia won't take a deal either, they're going for as many gains as possible.
This encirclement is the beginning of the end. Taking this has opened a huge gap in the Ukrainian line.

>>513247775
I love the red arrow cope. It's been super funny the past 3.5 years.

>>513247775
Russia is the one proposing this. They would trade all the land in Ukraine they control outside of the 4 oblasts for the rest of Donetsk oblast.
>>513247814
You gotta admit, it's some quality red arrow posting.

>>513247592 (OP)
vatniggers have been posting this same doomer map since 2015. and they'll still be posting it in 2035

>>513247773
make a thread about it then. Because I remember like two weeks ago, the Russians were in the middle of pokrovsk, and it was just about to fall, according to russia shills.. And guess what? They were promptly obliterated. And then there's the recent breakthrough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViZ8KB6Yi4

>>513247941
>make a thread about it then
but... that's what you're in

It doesn't matter because any territorial gains by Russia will be a 'win' and the EU has said Russia Must Not Win. That's why you see such absurd things as a DMZ patrolled by Britain and Albania and etc, the concept of Russia balkanizing, etc. A 'hundred year lease' and so on. They haven't come to terms with losing because their core principle is that they need to win.

>>513247592 (OP)
>once Russia takes Pokrovsk
they have been about to take that for at least a year, at this pace it will take them 3 years to take donetsk

>>513247592 (OP)
Does anyone irl really think ukraine will win?
They have nothing, Trump hates zelinsky and loves Putin. Russia makes gains every day. Ukraine is using 45 year olds and disabled people on the front line. ukraine should just give up before they go extinct.

>>513247592 (OP)
>Ukraine should take the deal
Stinky status?

>>513247592 (OP)
>Ukraine should take the deal

Peace favors only Ukraine.
Big mistake if Putin stops now. Western zionist dogs deserve to eat shit and die.

>>513247647
>we be like losing n shiet too slowly!!! Shieeet russia be collapsing like kobe muh nukka

>>513248059
A DMZ will likely be necessary. There’s no other way to stop unsanctioned skirmishes.

>>513248381
STINKY HOLDS
>>513248059
There likely would be a DMZ, but to think the UK will patrol it is retarded. I think it should be a non-NATO european army.
>>513248396
But if Russia can get what it wants without further bloodshed why wouldn't they?

>>513248333
i think ukrainians are likely at their breaking point
they are already fighting back against and assassinating draft officers

>>513248520
Nah Russia just takes everything even Kiev and then NAFO panics and Romania, Poland, and Moldova split up the rump state which they will stress is AUTOMATICALLY in NATO.

>>513248333
If the situation is that bad, then why the Russians not at Kyiv?

>>513247647

You're in every single thread.

Only two possibilities.

>Unemployed r.eddit tranny
>Employed glownigger shill

>>513247592 (OP)
>arrive at the same end but with many more dead and more destroyed
This. Donesk will cost Russia many more dead. The entire NATO game plan is to bleed Russia.

>>513248333
>anyone irl really think ukraine will win?
Russia is out of tanks and artillery. If Ukraine gets enough shells and can grind it out then Ukraine wins.

>>513247592 (OP)
Most of the so called captured area's on the map are just small groups of Russian terrorists hiding in basements waiting to be mopped up.

>>513248726
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>>513249967
neither side is about to collapse, or take all of the territory they want.

>>513247592 (OP)
The Wise Colonel has always said Kramatorsk is the key. They lynchpin of the entire battlefield. He says if the Russians can cap that city it's game over for Ukraine because it's wide open terrain from there to Kiev.

>>513250261
If Russia actually wanted to take Kiev, why the fuck would they go from the east?

>>513250309
>If Russia actually wanted to take Kiev
If they ever get that far they'll be coming down from Belarus as well. Apparently there's a massive Russian troop buildup across the entire northern border constantly probing Ukie defensive lines as if they're just toying around and biding time waiting for someone in charge to fire the green flare.

>>513247862
The vatniks had Pokrvosk in a cauldron in 2015? And it’s held through three years of large scale warfare?!? Wow, may we see it???

>>513250042
Hmmm? Ukraine had to pull their groupings set to attack into Russian to stop the collapse of the line at pokrovsk. They even pulled on POLICE units. When the praetorian guard and enforcement units get themselves conscripted it’s the end stage of the regime as those assets are absolutely critical to maintain control of the country. The KMT learned this the hard way in WWII.

>>513250614
Didn’t they send Wagner up there? And forced the AFU to keep an army corps worth of soldiers away from the actual battle. Neat fixing operation but kind of pointless if you’re just going to ground them down anyways…..

>>513250614
If Russia actually wanted to take Kiev they'd just go take Kiev ffs.

onwards to warsaw, berlin, brussels, paris, davos...
even if it takes a thousand years
Z

>>513247592 (OP)
>meme arrows
didn't you stupid faggots get blown the fuck out just days ago with your faggy pitch fork "breakthrough?"
Fuck off. I hate this faggot war.

>>513250745
This image was made shortly before Prigozhin died. I assume these bases are still active but idk about Wagner. I thought those guys were all dismissed and/or rolled into the regular forces. Either way Belarus is teaming with fresh troops, probably 100k or so last I heard and they're all just chilling, waiting for...... something? Wish I knew more. No one ever talks about it.

>>513251094
Wagner is fighting nigger rebels for African warlords.

>>513248333
Ukraine CAN win but they need to appeal to the rest of western world about it
The issue is that isolationism is on the rise the world over, people are tried of being told to care about wars a sea away from them when they can barely afford rent, groceries, and a life with major outcry about spending money to aid other countries when so many are struggling in their own nations
That and Israel is taking the lime light from Ukraine's pity party, Palestine is getting attention from the left as the new "we need to help other nations weh weh weh" BS and the Kike lovers are focused "greatest ally"
Ukraine either needs a major win to regain attention or they need to face the facts they are facing a protracted defeat simply due to Russia being able to outlast them
Id put up resistance to the deal and see if Putin will budge this war hasnt done him any favors with his own people so if he needs a win seeing how low you can get the cost of peace down to is Z's best bet

>>513248431
>posts politicized offensive that failed in 2 days
Wow good job spic I'm sure demoralized

>>513254139
>failed

>>513247592 (OP)
So everyone could see treaties and guarantees don't work, start building own nukes and vaporize the neighbors. Nah better pass.

>>513252124
Not without US. backing

>>513247592 (OP)
3.5 years, 1,000,000 casualties, less than 50k “progress” on that front.

Meanwhile:
>invasion fails
>massive army-wide land retreat
>14:1 causality ratio
>lost Kherson, Chernobyl, Snake Island (kek).
>need to blow up dams to protect retreat.
>Moskva blown up
>Kerch blown up again.
>90% of tanks corps decimated, refuse to engage with Abrams at all.
>Ukraine akchually counter attacks and take 1000 square km of Kersk unapposed held 60% of it for more than a year.
>russia forced to hire Korea troops to protect its own clay.
> Crimea so insecure whole Black Sea fleet retreats
>”unstoppable hypersonic” Khinzal defeated by Patriots after 1st launch.
>russian awacs grounded by Ukraine air defences.
>Kremlin, literally, droned.
>only effective military force, Wagner, shut & hunted down
>Dugina /Vatniks assassinated in Russia.
>devastating global sanctions.
>worst national economic depression in the world since Venezuela.
>double digit inflation and interest rates
>stagflation imminent.
>exports crushed, India and China imposing deals in rupees and yuan at massive discounts.
>ban on gas and fuel exports because of domestic shortages.
>parts and goods shortages (cars and airplanes cannibalized).
>whole economy under transformation to military control, including nationalizing of private interests.
>negative GDP without massive increase in government spending.
>BRICS a joke.
>widespread censorship of speech and broadcasting under punishment of arrest, gulag and forced conscription (can’t even say “war” or hold up blank peice of paper).
>russians get arrested and imprisoned for liking and RT tweets that call it war.
>whole world laughing at so called “Russian Strength” and military incompetence and corruption.
>Georgia citizens telling Russia to fuck off in outright rebellion to join EU and NATO.
>Finns in NATO, stronger than ever.
>even booted out of Eurovision.

RUSSIA IS LOSING

>>513256778
You really dont understand do you? Two more weeks and Ukraine is DONE. They should take the deal now before actually losing, weak!

>>513256258
Yes failed my beaner gook friend. Learn English

>>513247592 (OP)
We should have all attacked Russia at once.
I'll never udnetwhy the ukranians didn't just make endless drones and have people at home fly them. Don't need to be enlisted to bomb some ruskies. Sheeeit you could have americans do it on Xbox.

>>513247592 (OP)
I have it on good authority that Slovyansk and Kramatorsk will never fall.

>>513247592 (OP)
>each one of those arrows will cost at least million of russoid lives
can't wait

>>513248520
I think something like the Austrian model is going to be enforced on what's left of the Ukraine. Serious academics have already pointed to it as a historical precedent:
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/austrian-neutrality-model-ukraine-10005
It's pretty much the only serious, long-term solution that actually addresses the reasons for the war that I've seen coming out of the west, and the Russians would likely accept it (subject to the particulars) since it actually addresses their security concerns. The Brussels-aligned Europeans will hate it but the current governments will not be around forever and they'll have to play nice if they want a seat at the table.
>>513248862
I don't agree that the Russians will try to take the whole country, they won't want to venture too far west of the Dniepr, that's Bandera territory and ethnic Russians are in the minority there, it would be more trouble than it's worth.

>>513256778
Ahem… this, so much this. A powerful statement.

>>513248333
Think of it like purchasing a used car but you have to do a ton of repairs and maintenance because it’s falling apart. Europe and America already poured hundreds of billions worth of resources into Ukraine. They’re gonna drive that slav shit rust bucket till the wheels fall off now.