Thread 513267753

Wow its almost as if work hours are artifical and dont actually correlate to labour at all!

>>513267753 (OP)
Have you ever heard of antisemitism?

>>513267753 (OP)
Because the companies will hire fewer people and make them work longer hours. Simple

At the end of the day you need UBI aka the Young gang is correct

>>513267848
Thousand dorra
Foreskin reparations
Death to Google

>>513267848
Based yang gang

>>513267753 (OP)
>why
The answer is always jews. Working at a company used to be like being part of a family, jews destroyed our sense of community and now it's all about maximizing profit, and everyone for themselves.

>>513267753 (OP)
>productivity increase should improve worker pay/conditions?
This has never happened, all productivity increases go to capitalists.

>>513267753 (OP)
It's reduced mine.
Learn to use it better

>>513267848
Automation and efficiency has been around way longer then AI.
They all reduce work hours, by firing people. The people still at work have to work the same amount for less though.
Same effect as outsourcing to India. Think they'll ever going to pay you 100% for a 50% week? Nah, they'll pay you 50% for a 110% week

>>513267753 (OP)
Who is this for? The top ten percent? Ever since obama full time employment has been a rare thing for wagies.

Because humans are stunted retards.
No, I'm not talking about the CEO's. All things considered, they are usually much higher quality people than plebs.
Any high performing person knows the major limiter in every aspect of life is how retarded the average person is.

If you started giving normies 4 hours work days and still paying them the same, they would immediately find a way to fuck everything up.
It's actually better to exhaust them with makework bullshit than give them free time and spare energy.

This is also why electricity prices have to remain high even if we had massive solar farms - without incentive, normies would leave every light and fan on, and run their AC with windows open because they are retarded scum.

>>513267753 (OP)
My gf is a manager. Her manager wants her to take 3 jobs and make them 2 and use AI to make that managable.

So Ai wont make our lives better. It will only be used to suit the business.

>>513267753 (OP)
AI reduced work hours by a lot in the IT sector.
Now all these programmers have all the time in the world to work as food delivery drivers lmao

>>513268816
>because they are retarded scum
So browns, niggers and 20% white underclass?

>>513267753 (OP)
it only works if you work from home. You need to clock in 8h and only work 2. Due to toxic wage slaving culture you are forced to stay 8h in the office. This results in statistics showing noone reduced work hours.

If you work from a laptop performing a task, you might be in huge trouble.

>>513268966
Is it any surprise that these jobs where you can work from home for 2 hours and receive a whole days pay are being exported to india or automated?

I work every minute of my work day on site. I often work through my lunch. I can not see AI taking my job. It cant be exported.

>>513267753 (OP)
>Only realizing this now
Kek.
Ever asked yourself why you have to work 8 hours when the bulk of your work boils down to much less time, and why the whole "having to look busy at work" shit popped up?

The original idea of 8 hours of work, fun and rest came to be during the times of old - and specifically from factory workers, because in such factories, working 8 hours did translate to a direct productivity increase - and as such a direct increase of wages that came from said productivity. (Which later changed with automation)
The problems began when workplaces that don't directly translate working hours to increase of productivity adopted the same system (shops, offices, etc). Employers back then but even moreso now have this idea in their head that they pay you for "8 hours of work", which they ab/use to propel the wageslave to perform menial, mindless tasks that benefit no one in particular and are also not in their work contract.

You could now reasonably ask "then why dont we switch back to a performance oriented wage system?". The first issue is that such system would require them to remodel most of the current working system - which would put whites into positions of power, since they are on average one of the productive races. The second problem is the illusion of choice. Even if they reconfigured the wage cage, the system has ways to abuse you as bad if not worse in a performance based system (just look at china or any industry with performance related bonuses. The sad truth is, they already rigged the system against you using the (at the time actually useful idea) that your ancestors asked for. A trick they are particularly fond of doing. The only method to get around this would be to invent a new system - and keep inventing them - before they could be co-opted, but to do so would require seizing power to do that in the first place.

>>513267753 (OP)
This dismissive kike response is in itself confirmation that AI could reduce hours but they choose not to out of spite against Whites.

>>513268816
>No, I'm not talking about the CEO's. All things considered, they are usually much higher quality people than plebs.
Kike.

>>513267753 (OP)
If your job can be done by AI, you don't have a job. You are in adult daycare.
I "worked" in an office for like a year, biggest bullshit i ever experienced. It's just retards gossiping, and fucking around on computers doing basically nothing real fast. Pretending to be buisy. It's fucking hilarious, because everyone is pretending. So what's the point? We all know, we all know that we all know, and yet we keep pretending...
It was fine for a year, it let me spend a lot of time with my wife and infant son, but i could not have done that for any longer. The pointlesness is soulcrushing.

>>513268816
>If you started giving normies 4 hours work days and still paying them the same, they would immediately find a way to fuck everything up.
>It's actually better to exhaust them with makework bullshit than give them free time and spare energy.
This is so fucking true.
Anyone who's neet will tell you during the workweek life is so peaceful, but as soon as the weekend or a holiday drops all hell breaks lose because low IQ shitheads and midwits can't sit still.

>>513267753 (OP)
>Herzberg
Why is a jew being against capitalism?

turns out letting a machine think for you isn't a good idea

>>513269905
That's meme text someone else pasted.
https://psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-psychology-of-relationships-and-emotional-intelligence/202508/why-isnt-ai-reducing-work

>>513267753 (OP)
because demonrats flood the labor market with spics and retardlicucks flood the labor market with shitjeets so there is never a labor shortage that forces greedy companies to pay more for the labor they want (they cut every corner possible to buy houses to then rent out to their slave labor of choice)

>>513267848
> UBI meme
This is how it will go: They will tax x% of profits or GDP growth. That will translate into UBI leeches losing everything, quickly. The fact that the whole UBI discussion ignored the most in your face compound math shows us that it's a completely lying, evil, artificial propaganda campaign to fool the stupid plebs once more. HOW STUPID.

>>513267753 (OP)
Remember how during COVID everyone was working from home but then suddenly everyone needed to go back to the office because real estate office prices were tanking

And goyim did it anyways

>line must go up
>ai makes line go up sharper
I dont see how "less hours" come into this equation

>>513268816
> usually much higher quality people
Chosen detected.

>>513267848
>UBI
Giant corporations and select few employees work and make loads of money. You just leach off them and buy their shit by recycling the money they're taxed that will just go right back to them.

What can possibly go wrong.

>>513267995
now add manager salaries and capital gains to the chart

>>513267753 (OP)
Because the point of capitalism, like all jewish false religions, is to enslave the goyim.

>>513267848
A complete misunderstanding of economics.

Here's a simplified example:
> Feudal landlord owns land
> 1000 peasants work his land for protection as tax
> Machines improve work efficiency 100x
> Does he make his peasants work 100x less?
> No, he buys more land and makes them work 100x more land for more profit to himself alone
> Now the landlord is richer and more powerful and can demand even more tax, or influence neighboring landlords more
Get it yet?
> Muh ubi
Why would a powerful landlord ever pay weak peasants to do nothing? If the peasants want to survive they will invent new jobs for themselves or starve.
Some peasants will start being jesters, some will let the landlord fuck them for cash, some will start making gold-gilded carriages for rich landlords to show off among themselves etc.
This is what life is like in "developed nations" today too.

The only way for peasants to be wealthier is starting a rebellion and scaring landlords enough that they throw the peasants some peanuts. It's why peasants were easily manipulated by landlords into overthrowing their kings. The peasants thought they'd get rid of tyranny, instead it just changed shape. Same for communists. They thought they could be free of landlords and didn't realize that the problem is far more complex and caused by human nature and physical reality, and is still unsolved today.
Even virtual realities in MMORPG immediately causes the game to split between rich have and many poor have nots almost every time.

>>513267846
>negative stereotypes, myths, misinformation
they left out the most antisemitic thing possible which is "observing and talking openly about jewish behaviors and speech"

>>513267848
I don't UBI would work because a resource-driven economy (as opposed to a skills-based one) is far more susceptible to totalitarianism, economic exploitation and infrastructure neglect (e.g. russia, middle east, venezula). A government of angels could afford us both UBI and freedoms for but a few decades until a small insurgency appears to overthrow the government and curtail UBI and public investment to fatten their own pockets.
A tightly knit, evil, fifty man band could use AI to competently administer and surveil millions, use robots to enforce, and use life extension to rule forever.
So far technology has worked in favour of prosperous societies, but I think further technology will cause the opposite effect, making universal prosperity inherently and logically, unstable and improbable. The Nash equilibrium will shift.
We are in the twilight of the golden era of universal prosperity and economic mobility.
Or maybe it turns out that population demand will somehow manage to skyrocket in response to the monumental cost reduction of AI or that all the evil people will be happy in a post-scarcity society.

>>513270636
For the UBI example, this is more of an end goal aspect. Specifically in the sense of automation. Let's assume you are a feudal lord on an island. You own most of the island so the other lords are negligible in both power and land compared to you.

You now have machines that can till the fields and reap when it's done, all for the cost of their electricity. You now technically have no need for the peasants to work, but they still need food, and you still need to be the feudal lord over them.

So you devise a scheme of monopoly money you hand to the peasants, your automated machines till, and bake bread. They buy the bread, and you get the money back. You know created a dependent population where you are the sole owner of the means of production, and they are loyal because you're so 'generous' in giving them means to buy your bread.

So as automation continues, and real humans become too redundant for even greedy corporations, there is going to be a need to stave off these unemployed people from revolting due to lack of employment.

>>513267753 (OP)
>(((Herzberg)))
Wow. I never really looked at it like that before. If we gave smart people like that total and absolute power chatbots would do all the work and we would just be able to lounge around all day, jack off, get high, play vidya and shitpost on social media.

>>513267848
Niggas will reply to you because you are right. Its either UBI or more luigi incidents

>>513270636
>caused by human nature
Sociopathy, a genetic form of brain damage (as in not able to understand, like the image of the apple) that can be reliably identified in objective behavioral tests.
Commies won't solve shit. Positions of power manned by fully functioning people will.

>>513270636
>landlord increases output
I'm not sure that will happen with AI/robotics. I can't see how the population demand could increase much more.

>>513271464
It's UBI causing despair and extinction.

>>513267753 (OP)
it reduced my work hours to 0

>>513271490
Demand by AI, not people.

>>513267837
>nigger detected

AI makes you more productive and helps us built Kardashev 1

>>513267753 (OP)
Because companies can just use AI and fire everyone else.
In the long-term, most people won't have a job anymore.
Govts will then tax companies and implement UBI so people don't starve and revolt.
Society will be divided in 2 classes: companies, who own the means of production, and the masses, who are completely dependent on UBI for their survival.

>>513267753 (OP)
Nothing ever reduced working hours, they prefer to just fire the excess, and still put the remaining workforce on the same slavery

So after all these comments, seeing you all see the problem clearly, why is communism bad?

>>513271100
If peasants aren't needed at all they're just a danger. Imagine having cattle you don't need grazing outside. They're gonna be culled. Or left to pasture until they die if you're so merciful. Probably both. A few wars, them economic hardship where you feed some and not others. Look at Gaza. It's a test. Peasants are not gonna be allowed to reproduce or have any agency. You gotta be realistic. You cannot have such large economic inequality and not have dystopia. Every peasant today needs to focus on this one issue. Industrialization made things worse, automation will make them worse yet. Peasants need to demand not UBI, but basic ownership stakes in land of not industry. The soviets had the right idea, but there is no good way to implement that, it's rather impossible. Greed and power make humans produce, but you need to reset the system every once in a while. That's the only solution I found. You break down Microsoft and let peasants make their own tech giants from scratch again. It's just like a Monopoly game. You need to reset it every time you play so it stays fun.

>>513267753 (OP)
> become more productive
> inflation steals any benefit and send it to the bankers

>>513271490
If you listen to economists that's what they say.
>Peasants will invent new jobs now, just like peasants did when we automated leaving!
That's the plan

Because those jobs are adult daycare and not meant to be productive, rather than keeping you occupied

It would be a shame to have too much time on our hands and think about how our overlords are fucking us up. Or to find alternatives to consumerism (growing your garden, making your own clothes, etc) and log off the system at some point.

No no think about your career, run for a title, for a raise that means nothing.

>>513271889
The ownership of the means of production will become a genuine topic of discussion as automation progresses and it won't be a socialist talking point anymore. That won't be now, or in 5 years, but eventually it will occur. There will be a tipping point where the ratio of Employed:Unemployed causes extreme instability.

The easy answer will be to employ UBI to just let the peasants leach off the system and recycle the money to stave off revolt. Or (and this is less likely) a massive class war erupts between the peasants and the owners, perhaps totally divorced from modern socialist ideology as we know it today.

Judging by how easy it is to please normgroids, I fear the future of humanity will just be a dollar being spent on a porn website, and the dollar being taxed, then the dollar returns to the porn addict to spend it all over again, for the rest of time. And that's the good ending. Your description of massive culling seems likely. Bleak.

>>513271467
If you are born landlord for 10000 peasants will you grow up normally socialized? You'll be obligatorily sociopathic or the peasants will eat you alive with their needs. Sociopathy is not genetic. People made into jailers and inmates in science experiments turned into jailers being abusive and inmates being submissive to abuse very quickly. It's human nature.

>>513271966
Not leaving, but weaving
Hate phoneposting

>>513267753 (OP)
because we are not living in USSR and technological advances do not benefit everyone, just businesses. For the most, AI and technological advances are just worse because it devalues human worth.

>>513272081
Yeah, but as I said, the only way forward is people realizing you need to reset the system periodically. That solves all issues. The only issue then is that the hyper rich hate that. When bill gates retired they should have broken down Microsoft and split the company among workers. So others would get a chance to make their own tech giants and grow. We also wouldn't have shitty windows but new snappy OSs and people porting old software to it etc. Much more competition and people rushing to make new things

>>513271570
NO, you moron drone. If I can do 8 hours worth of labor in 1 hour, I will NOT actively seek more work to please Mr. SHEKELBERG.

>>513272113
It is an inheritable genetic condition, and sometimes some child doesn't have it, and tries to use the wealth for the commoners.

>>513270636
>It might go wrong so we shouldn't progress
*sigh*

>>513267753 (OP)
because you need to do MORE WORK GOYIM

WORK IS ONTOLOGICALLY EVIL
IT IS GOD'S PUNISHMENT

>>513269087
Post tits. The only work that you perform 100% on site, and depends entirely of (your) body be present and not exportable (because the appeal would need to be carried out by a pajeeta and not you) is actual sex work.

>>513267753 (OP)
because AI is trained on reddit, AI is a best as good at the goyest redditor can be. hence a 7/10, a midwit.
Every time you are dealing with important shit, you have to double-check if anything the AI tells you is true, because reddit makes up shit to win debates, so AI does it as well, and the process of double-checking substitutes the time you saved in the process of researching.

>>513272437
Not only will the rich hate that, but many employees will also hate that. No longer working at one of the world's most important companies, and potentially being laid off when your partition of Microsoft inevitably fails, as only a few will be successful. Perhaps you're right in the sense that it evens the playing field periodically.

Regardless, once human-parity automation is out of the bottle, that will become a whole other issue on top of this.

>>513271545
Firstly, ai agents won't have as many auxillary costs as machines do. They don't exist in reality so they are magnitudes easier to deploy, configure, maintain and decommission.
Secondly, entites that operate AI agents will only pay auxillary costs (which would grow the economy and make more jobs) if that leads to reduction in unit price AND MORE IMPORTANTLY if the consequent increase in customer demand is large enough that it cancels out the drop in unit price and ultimately the total revenue/profit ends up increasing (see picrel). I think the population is already consuming a ton, and that our demand elasticity is already so low that any drops in unit cost due to AI and beyond AI won't lead to increases in demand. (Thus I think they'll keep prices about the same and just increase profit margins instead)
I think I might be missing the core point of my own argument, the one I've built here feels shaky. The only thing I can imagine that would generate that colossal increase in demand would be governments/businesses doing tons of megaprojects, and regular people building mansions.

>>513272113
>jailers became abusive and inmates became submissive very quickly.
I thought the Stanford Prison experiment couldn't be replicated? Your overall point still holds though - incentives like fighting off the peasantry would change you.

>>513267753 (OP)
I have checked out of the jewish prison bus:

>quit wagie job
>sold everything I had in my name
>all property I own is in somebody else name
>stopped renewing IDs
>stopped paying taxes
>stopped paying car insurance/plates
>free groceries and free techslop (lots of it is hidden in the back nowadays but there are still plenty on the shelves)
Fridge is always packed, I have no bills, obligations, responsibilities or worries.

I am free.

>>513271966
(Tbh thread spinning automation probably had a bigger impact. Nearly every Florentine woman would spin thread for every second of their waking lives, maybe every medieval woman.)

I keep saying this and I'm going to keep saying it cause I'm right: AI is only fit for menial administration jobs, and those jobs are primarily held by women. They won't get rid of female employees cause they'd lose DEI investment or get audited for unequal higher policies; or from a Jewish perspective those women might starting having white children.

>>513272437
How can the executives split the company when it's the shareholders who own the money? The company would have to work very hard to buy back all it's shares and pay off all it's debts.
It's a good idea though. I've wondered if there's some clause or mechanism that could cause a company to automatically detonate after a certain date.

>>513267848
Shitskins are cheaper then AI

>>513267753 (OP)
who cares?
goy slaves don't matter

>>513273978
>lots of the groceries are techslop is hidden in the back nowadays
Are you implying that you live in the walls of some supermarket?

>>513274198
*when it's the shareholders who own the company

>>513267753 (OP)
because most work isn't about productivity but a humiliation ritual for the goyim

>>513267753 (OP)
Line must go up, if a day had 60 hours you'd work for 44 hours.

>>513271680
>Because companies can just use AI and fire everyone else.
What do you do for work now and what will you do with your time once a chatbot starts doing your job for you and we get UBI?
>>513271889
>demand not UBI, but basic ownership stakes in land of not industry.
Instead of "demanding" it, why not just build or buy some?
>>513272081
>The ownership of the means of production
You are posting here. What's holding you back from using AI to produce shit right now? The $30 a month subscription?
>>513272525
>If I can do 8 hours worth of labor in 1 hour
What sort of work do you do and how do you manage to be so productive?
>>513274198
>I've wondered if there's some clause or mechanism that could cause a company to automatically detonate after a certain date.
You should get to work lobbying for such a law. Surely the prospect of the state nationalizing your business and giving it away to unemployed and unemployable NEETs if you're successful enough will encourage a lot more investment and entrepreneurship and incentivize success.

>>513267753 (OP)
they find ways to reduce staff
not hours

>>513267753 (OP)
because AI just adds extra cogs in the workflow it does not simplify work it makes it more needlessly complex and companies need you to fix their shit AI keeps breaking because they cannot admit they fucked themselves with this massive loss on investment

>>513267848
Lol imagine 3 tiers of people

1. The UBI peasants who can't afford shit besides government sold food and necessities

2. The wealthy businesses owners and politicians

3. The giga rich AI owners


Yeah, sound based man. I look forward to living in a pod.

>>513274705
>Instead of "demanding" it, why not just build or buy some?
To build a business you need capital. The bank is too risk averse to give out loans to SMEs, so you are only left with private investors who request partial ownership (thus undermining the entire initial goal).
>If I can do 8 hours worth of labor in 1 hour
>What sort of work do you do and how do you manage to be so productive?
Presumably some kind of white collar work that requires a concise solution with a lot of thought behind it. See 10x programmers.
>Surely the prospect of the state ... will encourage a lot of investment ...
Yeah and you might even have challenges recruiting people when you're one year away from expiration. It's an interesting idea but it completely ignores the interests of everybody but the owner.
Vaguely reminds me of the promises of these big tech companies to not commercialise AGI and to use it in a public-interest way.

>>513274913
I think the giga rich AI owners would try to transition into the ruling class. (E.g. the big tech CEOs who are also generals. ) Otherwise the ruling class/military would just usurp them.