Thread 513271513

Is it even possible for such countries as Baltics to have a stable long term economic model without the heavy involvement of their largest neighbor? Naturally they were founded as logistics hubs for German merchants with local servants to conduct Russian trade, which was the best possible idea for those place to become prosperous. Later, after series of revolutions germans were expelled and the local population were given the control. Since then they had been always used in big Empires affairs like a cheap way to annoy your political counterpart. Even if you look at Baltics economy now, still the best business of the upper class there is smuggling sanctioned goods to Russia. Despite that their politicians are trying to build as much legal obstacles to such natural business as possible. Does it make you think that given control to the local population there was a mistake, and they simply never had any experience or independent realistic vision how to develop their places?

>>513271513 (OP)
This is why it's a mistake to give control to natives in colonial areas, which is the reason supporting palestine is retarded

>>513271513 (OP)
they just need to farm their own lands and produce their own energy.
it's not hard to be self-sustaining.

>>513271513 (OP)
>German merchants
>Russian trade
LOL ruskeks got BTFO by Poland and Sweden in the Livonian Wars
the Baltics for centuries were owned by Poland (2/3) and Sweden (1/3)

>>513271692
They could become energy exporters but they don't do it because muuh environment muuh green nonsense.
Many areas of their lands are just swamps and not suitable without lots and lots of draining to become farmable.

>>513271726
they haave never reached the same level of develoment that they had during Hanseatic league

>>513271726
Germans ruled them the longest simple as.

>>513271927
Poles can only steal the destroy and never create and build.

>>513271513 (OP)
>caring aboot a fistful of liliputian nazi chihuahuas
just nuke them already

>>513271981
that's estonia, the rest was ruled by Poland from the mid-1500s to the late 1700s so almost 250 years so basically as long as the livonian order, and in a more important period historically

>>513272390
Was it really yours you shared the commonwealth with Lithuania after all and weren't they handling the baltics?

>>513273141
the GDL was a junior partner and even it was Polish-dominated, and even before the (voluntary) polonization it was more Ruthenian than Lithuanian

Courland (Latvia) was a fief of the Crown (Poland)

>>513273305
>voluntary
You poles can never be just normal right? That's exactly why Ukrainians killed you all back then.

>>513271513 (OP)
Small countries like baltics are too easy to choke out off the face of this planet economically.
They are not self-sustaining in modern age. Amount of everyday necessities has skyrocketed.
Think of reaching last development stage in ANNO games by importing EVERY resource.
They exist as little cultural museums at mercy of bigger countries, for the most part.

>>513273587
google it, even on wikipedia it reads it was voluntary

>>513274804
I don't trust wikipedia with such things especially after reading all the nonsense propaganda we Germans supposedly did.
But I remember what you did to Lithuanians and Ukrainians after WWI so I don't believe some centuries earlier it was any different.

>>513275144
>But I remember what you did to Lithuanians and Ukrainians after WWI
you're not german, you're a ukroid spinning bullshit, kys

>>513271513 (OP)
Problem is foreign investors that came after privatization. Same commies are still in politics. One commie union to the other. And you wonder why things don't progress as fast. Its the central governments policies that suck and investors who steal. Typical kike parasites.

>>513275779
Nope I just read a lot about this specific time period.
Your dindu nuffin doesn't work and that's exactly why all your neighbours hated you and were quick to become allies of Hitler and gave you revenge.

>>513271887
If only we took Königsberg back, when Gorbatshov offered it to us...
Why was Kohl such a retard?

>>513272036
>>513271726
>Poles can only steal the destroy and never create and build.
Once the Poland became its own separate country and not part of Russian or German control - that's true.
And especially once the Vatican jesuits established there and converted polish language from cyrillic / slav to latin alphabet - it was literally over.

>>513276738
The deal was for 20billion Mark we would take all those stupid russians living there too.
Would be good if they would get deported but else retarded.

>>513277232
20 billions are relatively cheap.
Russians suck at selling land, just look at Alaska.
We would've turned the entire territory into a lunar landscape, no need to deport them they'd go on their own.

>>513271513 (OP)
>Is it even possible for such countries as Baltics to have a stable long term economic model without the heavy involvement of their largest neighbor?
I personally don't think so.
I think in the modern world you cannot have a population below 10 million and have a stable economy and be your own separate country.

>that's why baltics are failing countries with failing population
>because you can't base your whole country's identity on "we hate the neighbors"
>and then expect neighbors to trade with you

In the modern times you have islands / cities like Taiwan , Hong Kong and Singapore as modern examples of growing economies.
Singapore is basically euro banks offshore for trading with China/ Asia, so it is warm there and it is in the center of modern trade.
>baltics however? not so much.

Baltics need to stop being retarded and allow Russia-Germany oil / gas pipelines through their territory . That's the only way they can economically survive.

>>513271887
>Many areas of their lands are just swamps and not suitable without lots and lots of draining to become farmable.

Latvia already exports around 70% of food it produces.
Thing is, that there are farmers in other european countries too, which also produces a lot of food. There is not enough market for it. There is no point to grow crops, if there is noone willing to purchase those.

In Soviet era, a lot of food from Baltics were used to feed Moscow and Leningrad oblasts. Now either they are growing themselves, or importing from Belarus. Here we have a lot of spare farmland capacity.

>>513277041
>Once the Poland became its own separate country and not part of Russian or German control - that's true.
we were Polish for 1000 years with a break of only 123 years
>Vatican jesuits established there and converted polish language from cyrillic / slav to latin alphabet
what a retarded muttnigger post
kill yourself

>>513278437
>we were Polish for 1000 years
Of course you were, your schools were russian and spoke russian language in 19th century.

The rest of your incoherent post is also incoherent.
You don't know your history or your real roots, or what the Words Actually Mean.
When some random faggots converted your main tool of passing history and knowledge - language, and alphabet , from historical to some dead latin language alphabet.

It now takes 30 letters of latin alphabet to even write your name,
Krgshishtoff Brzhzenushinski.